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PaperBear89
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11:53a, 9/13/24
I really think I am done with college football. Cannot make a fair argument against NIL and the transfer portal, and realignment, but these things have shredded the game by taking away the things that once made college football unique vs. its talent-freeloading Sunday counterpart.
1. One of Us - Back when I was in school athletes were part of student life. You would see them around campus, share some classes, and yes see them at Georges. Of course they had delusions of grandeur like most college athletes today, but for the most part they were planning to stay in school and make progress in case the football thing didn't work out.
I can't imagine students seeing much in common with today's mercenaries who expect to attend 2 schools, if not 3 or 4.
2. Regionalization - The old saying that airplanes eliminate the need to be close may work for logistics and players (check back in with BIG teams next year), but it sucks for fans
Who do I talk crap to if we somehow beat Arizona State when we play? Used to be you could always find whorns, ags and ponies in your office to bet against, but alas, no mas.
3. Hope for brighter days --Remember when recruiting mattered? Or when you could see a first or second year player and say "He's raw, but with time and coaching ..." Yeah, me too ... barely. I think the good coaches will get sick of this at some point and either go pro or back to high school, where they can develop players.

Not sure that the general public shares these sentiments, but the T shirt fans may start to realize that these "kids" are nothing more than less talented versions of their favorite pro teams.

Rant done.
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12:00p, 9/13/24
i have empathy for your position. but nil and the portal have brought some degree of parity. and nil or some form of compensation was long overdue. coaches and administrators through the ncaa office have been milking athletes forever with absorbent compensation. that simply was not fair as found by the scotus.

regionalism lost to realignment, well, i have to think that will rationalize itself some way somehow. i'm not sure what the solution will be. perhaps the much ballyhooed 64-team mega thingy. i don't know. but cal at clemson is just illogical. normally in life, logic prevails, in spite of our two presidential candidates, i.e. today's outlier.



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12:07p, 9/13/24
I think NIL will end up being better for us. When aggy loads up on 5 stars and they want to transfer out when they dont see the field after 1 year then we will be right up the road waiting. Hopefully Florida gets rid of Napier and Lagway wants to come back close to home. We can be a good landing spot school for Texas players who moved away for the big bucks but want to come back home and play.
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12:15p, 9/13/24
Your point 3 is certainly true with me. I used to like to follow the progress and development of players who were brought into the BU family. Now there is so much movement in and out, the roster turnover is significant and its hard to keep up. I do get to know the players more by the end of the season but the next year its mostly starting over again.
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12:16p, 9/13/24
personally, when Baylor isn't very good, I lose a lot of interest in college football. It's very painful me for me to watch Iowa State, Kansas etc. and see them doing well knowing that we used to hang 70+ points on those guys when I was at Baylor. I also agree about the lack of regional rivals. The state is fractured into so many different conferences that there's no sense of cohesion. I also have a lot less time to just sit there on Saturday and binge watch football.
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12:28p, 9/13/24
I think NIL and the players getting compensated is a good thing.

Even then, I agree with #1 and strongly agree with point 2. Local /regional rivalries are the foundation of the sport. Tearing that apart isn't a good thing, even if the TV revenues continue to increase.

If you notice - all of the big10 and sec rivalries are still in place. So those conference and fan perspectives are vastly different compared to fans of the Pac 12 and Big 12.

It would be nice and somewhat ironic if 1 larger conference ended up being formed down the road and divisions were set by region..putting schools back where they "should" be, so to speak.
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In reply to Daveisabovereproach • 12:34p, 9/13/24
Daveisabovereproach said:
I also have a lot less time to just sit there on Saturday and binge watch football.

Based on your high-scoring time reference of being in school, I have a pretty good hunch what phase of life you're in right now. Enjoy it! It goes by super fast and you'll be back on the couch in no time :-)
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12:39p, 9/13/24
I like and support the idea that student athletes are not powerless to affect their own outcomes.
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12:50p, 9/13/24
It's been a long time since student-athletes reflected your actual student body. At least 50 years.

NIL and the transfer portal have ruined college football. And you can't put the genie back in the bottle now. The Big 10 and SEC have taken all of the money, and the gap will be massive 5-10 years from now. That, coupled with the fact that Aranda is the worst coach since Steele, and it's hard to follow this team and college football right now. Fortunately DFW pro sports is near an all-time high, so there are tons of other options.
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1:58p, 9/13/24
This board is just going in the direction of the R&P board, which means the site is about to be worthless to the reasonable. Meaning if you cant even come here for fact based discussions of Baylor sports why come here. Either some here really dont know the history of Baylor football even just the short history of Baylor football in the 21st century or they do and spread lies on purpose. However the actual record reflects that Aranda is not close to being the worst HC since Steele. I'm not going to disparage that coach who the record reflects was however. I personally liked him. He worked his butt off and made Baylor more competitive got some talent here that helped Briles early on and alot of his failures were due to sabotage about when we were beginning to turn the corner by a group of Regents we had at the time.
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2:32p, 9/13/24
While still a fan - and I'll always be a fan of BU - I similarly feel NIL, the portal, and realignment have largely ruined college sports. Two of the things I always liked most about college sports was the amateur element and the fun of watching players develop and contribute over the 4-5 years you knew most of them would be with the program. Of course both of those things are gone and sports like football and basketball are now simply the Junior NFL and the junior NBA without salary caps, plus you have little assurance that any player is going to be with the team beyond the current or next upcoming season - especially if the player isn't a starter. Add to that the many traditional rivalries that have been blown up thanks to re-alignment and for many of us it makes for a sad situation at best. Will continue to care and continue to watch, but will also continue to feel a sense of loss regarding some great and meaningful things that are gone and are not coming back.
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In reply to PartyBear • 2:38p, 9/13/24
PartyBear said:
This board is just going in the direction of the R&P board, which means the site is about to be worthless to the reasonable. Meaning if you cant even come here for fact based discussions of Baylor sports why come here. Either some here really dont know the history of Baylor football even just the short history of Baylor football in the 21st century or they do and spread lies on purpose. However the actual record reflects that Aranda is not close to being the worst HC since Steele. I'm not going to disparage that coach who the record reflects was however. I personally liked him. He worked his butt off and made Baylor more competitive got some talent here that helped Briles early on and alot of his failures were due to sabotage about when we were beginning to turn the corner by a group of Regents we had at the time.


I hate that there's so much wiener measuring going on about how long people have been Baylor fans, or how much suffering they have endured as a Baylor fan. No one really cares. Steele comparisons might be silly or irrelevant, but we have more resources now relative to back then , and we're underperforming relative to those resources. "Oh you think Kevin steele was bad? I was around in the 1930s and THAT was bad. Oh, you think we were bad in the 1930s. Let me tell you about the year 1906"

Like I get it, Baylor has a history of not being very good at football when it's all said and done, but I feel like all of that is irrelevant to our current predicament where we do seem to have resources but are underperforming.
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3:12p, 9/13/24
You missed the point. I didnt bring up history. I was responding to someone who did. The point is tell the truth rather than lie just to get your daily attacks in on Aranda.
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In reply to PartyBear • 3:18p, 9/13/24
PartyBear said:
You missed the point. I didnt bring up history. I was responding to someone who did. The point is tell the truth rather than lie just to get your daily attacks in on Aranda.


The topic in this thread has nothing to do with anything you said. You wanted to get in your daily attack on anybody saying anything remotely negative about Dave, so you started with the whole "I've been a fan a long time and the negativity on mah message board is ruining the reasonable discussion from the classy sophisticates like myself " thing. If you can't defend the coaches record, attack people who are attacking the coach. I guess that's the next best thing
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In reply to Daveisabovereproach • 3:25p, 9/13/24
Yep he constantly makes exaggerated blanket statements about the seemingly hoards of people who treat his best bud CDA unfairly.
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In reply to muddybrazos • 3:45p, 9/13/24
muddybrazos said:
I think NIL will end up being better for us. When aggy loads up on 5 stars and they want to transfer out when they dont see the field after 1 year then we will be right up the road waiting.


But what about when the SEC and B1G split from the NCAA to form their own semi pro superleague and everyone else becomes 2nd tier college football?
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In reply to muddybrazos • 4:19p, 9/13/24
muddybrazos said:
I think NIL will end up being better for us. When aggy loads up on 5 stars and they want to transfer out when they dont see the field after 1 year then we will be right up the road waiting. Hopefully Florida gets rid of Napier and Lagway wants to come back close to home. We can be a good landing spot school for Texas players who moved away for the big bucks but want to come back home and play.
Nah, it ain't gonna work that way. 5 stars first feel like they got a raw deal and other schools in the B1G and SEC will be willing to give them another chance and pay them. We will get them on the 2nd transfer after it's obvious they weren't ready for the P2 and now they're looking for a home at a lower level that will at least pay them something.

The ones we'll get from UT, OU or A&M initially are the low 4 star and high 3 star kids who figure out that first year they are never gonna see the field at those schools and so they look for someone like us or Tech or Oklahoma St.
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4:48p, 9/13/24
These days I am definitely far less interested in CFB than ever before. The current culture is just insanity. Might as well just be a junior pro league. At least there would be less chaos in player movements.

I still enjoy the game, but it's no longer a must-do to watch every big game every weekend the way it used to be. I have to find some kind of rooting interest in some way to care enough to watch with a reasonable level of attention.
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5:11p, 9/13/24
Actually he probably is the worst coach since Steele.

You can't just compare coaches records especially in college...this isn't NFL where there's a cap and parity .

Just because David McWilliams has a higher winning percentage than Grant Teaff..I don't think anyone would say he was a better coach.
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In reply to Hotsauce • 5:28p, 9/13/24
Hotsauce said:
muddybrazos said:
I think NIL will end up being better for us. When aggy loads up on 5 stars and they want to transfer out when they dont see the field after 1 year then we will be right up the road waiting.


But what about when the SEC and B1G split from the NCAA to form their own semi pro superleague and everyone else becomes 2nd tier college football?
They sorta already have.
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5:42p, 9/13/24
Let's admit it, we're old.

College football was probably going to become a little obsolete anyways. Kids these days would rather play video games or watch TikTok and YouTube vs watch football.
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In reply to PaperBear89 • 12:42a, 9/14/24
PaperBear89 said:
I really think I am done with college football. Cannot make a fair argument against NIL and the transfer portal, and realignment, but these things have shredded the game by taking away the things that once made college football unique vs. its talent-freeloading Sunday counterpart.
1. One of Us - Back when I was in school athletes were part of student life. You would see them around campus, share some classes, and yes see them at Georges. Of course they had delusions of grandeur like most college athletes today, but for the most part they were planning to stay in school and make progress in case the football thing didn't work out.
I can't imagine students seeing much in common with today's mercenaries who expect to attend 2 schools, if not 3 or 4.
2. Regionalization - The old saying that airplanes eliminate the need to be close may work for logistics and players (check back in with BIG teams next year), but it sucks for fans
Who do I talk crap to if we somehow beat Arizona State when we play? Used to be you could always find whorns, ags and ponies in your office to bet against, but alas, no mas.
3. Hope for brighter days --Remember when recruiting mattered? Or when you could see a first or second year player and say "He's raw, but with time and coaching ..." Yeah, me too ... barely. I think the good coaches will get sick of this at some point and either go pro or back to high school, where they can develop players.

Not sure that the general public shares these sentiments, but the T shirt fans may start to realize that these "kids" are nothing more than less talented versions of their favorite pro teams.

Rant done.

Ditto. Alas I guess I'm an old man too. I gave up my season tickets in '22 and frankly can't get excited to even watch a game on tv. There's still high school football but how long will it be before NIL pollutes it too. There is too much money being thrown at HS recruits. Won't be long before star players will be playing to secure NIL deals vs playing team football.
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9:03a, 9/14/24
NIL ruined college football. Players are no longer "student" athletes. They are pros. The educational component for the pros is not important at all. Show me the money! I don't care about realignment or the transfer portal. NIL collectives are a sham. If it only about the money then the nfl needs to allow 18 year olds play or create a G League.
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9:12a, 9/14/24
Back to the future - in the old days the blue bloods would stack talent with unlimited scholarships and no real ability to transfer - so the big time programs hoarded talent - same thing happening now just different issue - NIL - case in point Manning hasn't sniffed playing time at TU - doesn't matter - his NIL $ keeps him there - he is making more than Ewers - plan to see more of this and increasing as the Big Boys use their huge NIL advantage to keep the 5 star bench talent patient to wait their turn.
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In reply to PacificBear • 9:20a, 9/14/24
They were already pros. Have been since the 70s at least.
Only (ONLY) difference is the players can now advocate for their own interests.

What if it was you? Or your kid? For most athletes it isn't ever going to be about the money. It's about balance of power and personal choices. It's about young student athletes no longer being powerless property.
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In reply to WA Jim • 10:08a, 9/14/24
WA Jim said:
Back to the future - in the old days the blue bloods would stack talent with unlimited scholarships and no real ability to transfer - so the big time programs hoarded talent - same thing happening now just different issue - NIL - case in point Manning hasn't sniffed playing time at TU - doesn't matter - his NIL $ keeps him there - he is making more than Ewers - plan to see more of this and increasing as the Big Boys use their huge NIL advantage to keep the 5 star bench talent patient to wait their turn.


Manning will be their starter soon and he knows it. The way things appear now they will be a top 5 or top 10 program for the next several years as well. There is no need for him to think of transferring. I think it is more than NIL keeping him there.
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In reply to TinFoilHatPreacherBear • 12:18p, 9/14/24
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Yep he constantly makes exaggerated blanket statements about the seemingly hoards of people who treat his best bud CDA unfairly.
Excluding everything in the discussion regarding time, pros and cons, etc, the only thing that keeps resonating with me is... with our facilities, Rhule bringing BU back from the dead, Big12 Title, Sugar Bowl victory, NIL, on and on and BU has Tanked. I think it will be very hard for BU to "rise" in light of NIL, transfer, and the two Big Conferences. I just don't see the A&M's of the world with an abundance of 5*'s bailing and coming to BU when there are so many greater alternatives available. Frankly, at least currently, BU is completely and totally irrelevant.
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In reply to PartyBear • 4:49p, 9/14/24
It's interesting to follow. He is significantly better at passing, sees the defense better and is absolutely ripped for a quarterback. Young man looks like a tight end. Like Josh Allen. And he's literally faster than any of Texas' linebackers.
If he wants to start at a Georgia or Ohio State the job would be his for the asking. If he wanted to make his grandpa's dream come true he could call Ole Miss and start there and be an even bigger hero than he'd be at Texas.
Only thing keeping Arch at Texas is he wants to be at Texas. I don't think it's money because an Oregon or USC would bet him at least the same.

In a sick way I kinda respect that he wants to stay.

And yes, long story but I have seen him at practice. Married to a Horn who's also a faculty with a lot of players and we've gotten invites. He really is one of the outright fastest players on the team.
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