Rating the sec

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Don't let anyone fool you. The sec is NOT good from top to bottom. The idea that it's a grind each week is some BS and always has been. The sec has at least 4 5 bad teams this year, so all you have to do is win your 4 cupcake OOC games and beat the **** teams and you are at 8 wins. Not only that but they don't even play 9 conference games. If they did their records would be even worse. I'll come back and move teams around every week or two.

WEEK 7 UPDATE:

YOU SUCK:

Miss St 1-6, 0-4 in conference. After losing to Toledo in heart breaking fashion 17-41, they lost vs a bad Florida team 28-45, lost to UT, to georgia and a&m. The good news for the Bulldogs is they still get to play Massachusetts, so getting to 2 wins is possible.

Auburn 2-5, 0-4 in conference. Auburns 2 wins are vs alabama a&m and new mexico. They have lost 4 of 5. Some will claim they lost to a 'ranked' Misery team by 4 points as some sort of moral victory or proof the sec is great. That is fantasy. They suck.

Kentucky - 3-4, 1-4 in conference After the heart breaker vs Georgia, they got back on track vs a lousy MAC team and beat Ole miss via a missed FG and lost to vanderbilt. The wheels fell off in a bad loss to a very bad Florida team.They have auburn and murray state lined up, so they could get to 5 wins. secsecsec

South carolina 3-1, 1-3 in conference. Their wins are vs Old Dominion, Kentucky and Akron. After beating Akron, they get 2 weeks to prepare for Ole Miss. South Carolina was 5-7 last year. Those wins came against Furman, Miss St, Jacksonville St, Vanderbilt and Kentucky.

Oklahoma 4-3, 1-3 in conference. Their 4 wins are against subpar competition. Their lone conference win was vs one of the worst teams in the conference. They were pounded by ut and south carolina. They suck. OU looked like poop in 2022 and tripped to 10 wins in 2023, but its clear their program isn't where it used to be.

Florida 4-2, 2-2 in conference. They were hammered by Miami and lost at home to aggy. Two of their wins are vs Samford and UCF. Their other 2 wins are vs the worst teams in the sec - Miss St and Kentucky. Their next games are vs Georgia, UT and LSU.

Vanderbilt 5-2. 2-1 in conference. After beating Va Tech and Alcorn St, they've lost two in a row to Georgia St and Missouri. They then beat alabama and kentucky. They may not be the worst team in the sec this year, which is shocking in itself. They just beat Ball St to get to win # 5.

Ole miss - 5-2, 1-2 in conference. Started off with 4 wins - beat Furman, MTSU, Wake Forest and Ga Southern and were inexplicably #6 in the country for it. Only in the SEC. They lost to Kentucky in a close game, beat south carolina and lost to lsu. They still have OU, UF and Miss St so 8 wins is very possible.

AVERAGE

Arkansas 4-3, 2-2 in conference. Arkansas's wins are against Arkansas Pine-Bluff, UAB a bad Auburn team and a Tennessee team that is hard to get a read on. They still have Miss St, La Tech and Missouri on the schedule so 7 wins is possible


aggy: 6-1, 4-0 in conference. They played two team with a pulse (notre dame and arkansas) and lost 1. Out of their remaining 5 games, 3 opponents are average to mediocre so 9 wins is possible. Considering their schedule is loaded with the bottom of the barrel sec teams and a bunch of out of conference pansies, its hard to tell where they should be.

Alabama - 5-1, 2-2 They beat Western Kentucky, USF and a downtrodden Wisconsin. They were hammering Georgia, let them come back but hung on for the win. Blowing a huge lead but hanging on = instant classic if you play in the SEC. After losing to vanderbilt they got back on track with a win vs a bad south carolina team. Alabama has been sliding for years, albeit slowly and its hard to tell where they are at. They can still get to 9 wins because their remaining schedule isn't anything special.

UT 6-1, 2-1 in conference. I may be giving them too much credit for beating a michigan team that is a shell of its former self. Their other wins are vs Co State, UTSA, UL Monroe and Miss State, which tell us nothing. They beat an ou team that will probably be firing its coach within a year and just lost to Georgia. 3 of its next 5 games are vs Vanderbilt, UF and Kentucky which look like wins. The only speed bumps may be Arkansas and a&m.

GOOD


LSU 6-1, 3-0 in conference. LSU had to pull a win out of its ass against a mediocre unranked south carolina team and beat UCLA and Nicholls. LSU Lost to a USC team that looks kind of meh. Who the **** is Nicholls? LSU padded their win total with a win vs. South Alabama. It matters little that most of the teams LSU has played are ***** They are in the sec and 6-1 gets you in the top 10.

Georgia 6-1, 4-1. They won 13-12 vs an unranked Kentucky team. Georgia got 2 weeks off after that "epic" battle to prepare for Alabama. That's SEC scheduling at its best - set up your best teams for success. Georgia started the Alabama game by getting blown out. They came back to make it close but lost. The game is now touted as an instant classic. Georgia got back on track by beating two really bad teams, Miss St and Auburn. Out of 5 remaining games, 5 of those are probably locks for wins. florida who sucks, umass (reallly? come on. schedule someone with a *****), georgia tech, tennessee and ole miss


BEST

Too early to tell but looks like Georgia and then maybe LSU and UT after that.


TOO MANY CUPCAKES TO EVALUATE

Tennessee - 6-1, 3-1 in conference. 3 snacks at home and a 10 pt win vs Oklahoma. Tennessee was ranked #5 because wins vs Chattanooga, NC State and Kent St prove the SEC is great. Then they moved up to #4 without even playing a game. They followed that with a loss to arkansas and a win vs a bad florida team. Their remaining schedule is Georgia, 3 games against some of the worst program sin the conference - Kentucky, Miss St, Vanderbilt and a CUSA team UTEP.

Missouri -6-1, 2-1. Only an SEC team would be ranked #11 after beating 3 snacks (Murray St and Buffalo and Vanderbilt) and a Boston college program that has blown for most of the past decade. Missouri moved up to #9 during their bye week. Say what?? They were pounded by aggy and got back on track by beating Massachusetts and barely getting by a really bad Auburn team. Their remaining 5 games are vs a down Alabama and OU, south carolina, Miss St and Arkansas.
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Georgia will probably get better. Maybe Tennessee & Alabama. But it likes like a typical opening of an SEC season except usually one team looks really good and the rest don't. We shall see.

I really don't like the SEC and I hope they all get worse, with only one team getting in the playoffs. Same with Big 10. We all know I won't get my wish. Such is can these days.

I grew up cheering for underdogs, partly because my teams were generally underdogs. That's where I'm coming from. Still, I can deal with reality too.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
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IowaBear
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The SEC is far an away the best conference in CFB. Every conference has teams that suck…
Some of you let hate cloud reality
DAC
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Ole Miss might have a shot
historian
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That would be interesting. To be honest, I would like that. I want anyone besides Bama or Georgia winning the conference and I would be happy if neither team made it to the playoffs. I don't real expect the ESPN Blue Blood Invitational committee would ever do such a thing but it would be great for cfb.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Jorkel
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IowaBear said:

The SEC is far an away the best conference in CFB. Every conference has teams that suck…
Some of you let hate cloud reality


Easily the best conference from top to bottom dwellers.
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OP is fire
bear2be2
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IowaBear said:

The SEC is far an away the best conference in CFB. Every conference has teams that suck…
Some of you let hate cloud reality
Two things can be true. 1) The SEC is the best conference. 2) It's not nearly as strong -- or as far above the others -- currently as pundits would have you believe. That league is feeling the effects of NIL and the transfer portal just like everyone else. Maybe even more so because they're losing more (and more talented) players every year who don't want to sit behind their starters.

It's easier for an Oklahoma State, Baylor or Utah to replace its depth from the portal than it is for an Alabama. We can get guys from Eastern Kentucky, East Carolina and the JUCO ranks who can be as good as the guys we lost. Georgia and Alabama can't. And starting caliber transfers aren't going to go to those places to sit.

We're at an interesting place in college football, where perception and reality have never been farther apart. The perception is that the SEC and Big Ten (hahahahaha) are light years above everyone else. The reality is that outside of the top four or five teams -- all from those leagues, mind you -- nobody is particularly good by the standards we've traditionally held.

Because of NIL and the portal, parity is at an all-time high. It's not a rising tied lifting boats, it's a falling tide lowering them. But college football is becoming increasingly like the NFL where almost anyone can win or lose in a given week.

I hope we give this playoff a chance to produce some data and results before we overhaul college football again and have some split between the P2 and everyone else. Because I'm fairly convinced that, over time, it will have a parity-increasing impact as well.

The SEC and Big Ten will continue to get more teams than everyone else into the playoff, and that's fine. But we're going to find that after the Big Ten's second team and SEC's third that nobody else is actually that good.
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I would not put Georgia in the "sucks" category.

I didn't watch the game so I'm not sure what happened....but I would imagine this is more a case of them sleep walking than sucking.

We know they have some of the best talent in the country on their roster and a great coaching staff. This iteration may not be the usual juggernaut....but they aren't a team that sucks.

The SEC as a whole does get overblown in my opinion....but the top of that conference is full of killers.
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boognish_bear said:

I didn't watch the game so I'm not sure what happened...
It's always good practice to evaluate a team when you don't watch them play..
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jikespingleton said:

boognish_bear said:

I didn't watch the game so I'm not sure what happened...
It's always good practice to evaluate a team when you don't watch them play..


I wasn't evaluating how they did against UK....I was evaluating who they are as a program.

Do you think Georgia sucks?
Big12Fan2024
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OP -- save yourself a lot of time. Just relax and enjoy the Fall, then come back in December and pencil in 2 or 3 of the CFP Semis being SEC teams and that will pretty much cover it.
BigGameBaylorBear
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You best believe Georgia will come back next week with something to prove. When Kirby gets them boys fired up, they are unstoppable

They always show up in big games
Aberzombie1892
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The top of the Big 12 is probably the equivalent to the middle of the SEC, and that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Enjoy the football for what it is.
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This… the top 5 of the SEC would absolutely destroy the top of the B12. Okie St is widely considered a top 3 B12 team and they needed a frigging miracle to beat SEC bottom dweller Arky… at home
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IowaBear said:

The SEC is far an away the best conference in CFB. Every conference has teams that suck…
Some of you let hate cloud reality
Your reality is so clouded that you can't comprehend a viewpoint different than your own.

They are not "far an away" the best conference. They had 1-2 really good teams at the top of the conference in given season over the past 70 years, just like all P5 conferences. Once you get out of the top teams and depending on the season, the drop off can be pretty steep.

This season, between 9 and 11 of the teams in the sec are average to mediocre. With the recent muscling of the "playoff" format, they are all but guaranteed at least 5 spots. Doesn't mean they are far and away the best. What it does mean is they are writing the rules that everyone has to go along with, which benefit them the most.
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Congrats they have some mediocre teams… guess what the B12 has 16 mediocre teams…
The SEC has 5 teams who would win the B12 in their sleep. Different opinions are fine. When they have merit. These don't. The SEC makes the B12 look like a JV league. That's the reality. Why people dispute that I have no idea. Results speak for themselves
DAC
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Top 7 AP teams 6 are sec
IowaBear
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And those teams are all damm good! No idea why our fans feel the need to dispute reality. I mean honestly which B12 team is hanging with Ole Miss? GA? Tenn? Texas?
Sure they have crap teams at the bottom… every conference does
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boognish_bear said:

jikespingleton said:

boognish_bear said:

I didn't watch the game so I'm not sure what happened...
It's always good practice to evaluate a team when you don't watch them play..


I wasn't evaluating how they did against UK.

It's clear the OP was talking about that game, specifically.

I watched the game and it was as pathetic as 13-12 box score would indicate.
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jikespingleton said:

boognish_bear said:

jikespingleton said:

boognish_bear said:

I didn't watch the game so I'm not sure what happened...
It's always good practice to evaluate a team when you don't watch them play..


I wasn't evaluating how they did against UK.

If the post was about what they did vs UK and you didn't watch it, why chime in?

I saw the game.

It was as pathetic as 13-12 box score would indicate.


OP can correct me if I'm wrong....but the OP is categorizing where he thinks teams are in the season. Several of his comments are on games in previous weeks. This wasn't a one week review.

Back to my question....do you think Georgia sucks?
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boognish_bear said:

jikespingleton said:

boognish_bear said:

jikespingleton said:

boognish_bear said:

I didn't watch the game so I'm not sure what happened...
It's always good practice to evaluate a team when you don't watch them play..


I wasn't evaluating how they did against UK.

If the post was about what they did vs UK and you didn't watch it, why chime in?

I saw the game.

It was as pathetic as 13-12 box score would indicate.


OP can correct me if I'm wrong....but the OP is categorizing where he thinks teams are in the season. Several of his comments are on games in previous weeks. This wasn't a one week review.

Back to my question....do you think Georgia sucks?


I think Georgia is going to have a down year and still going to win 10+ games. Just like Alabama had every now and then under Saban. Their elite defense will keep them in every game and their offense and special teams will only need to make a play here and there. But they are still figuring out new starters and like when Saban was coaching I don't really bet against Kirby Smart.
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IowaBear said:

Different opinions are fine. When they have merit. These don't.

Different opinions are fine, but only when you think they have merit. Got it.

How about I privately message you for your opinion before I post on here? You can red light or green light the post.
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The opinions I've shared DO have merit. The only things I've said is the SEC is head n shoulders better than the B12 and that the top of the SEC would destroy the top of the B12. Those are all facts.
Which B12 team is beating Bama? GA? Texas? Ole Miss?
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IowaBear said:

This… the top 5 of the SEC would absolutely destroy the top of the B12. Okie St is widely considered a top 3 B12 team and they needed a frigging miracle to beat SEC bottom dweller Arky… at home
Who other than Georgia, Texas, Alabama and Tennessee are you including in this list? Ole Miss has had opportunity after opportunity to prove itself against the Big 12 and loses literally every time. And Missouri needed a miracle field goal to beat a good, not great Kansas State team last year.
IowaBear
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You're really using meaningless bowl games against Ole Miss. (you yourself have stated a million times bowls are meaningless) so using Ole Miss bowl loses to the B12 is rather dumb. Ole Miss and Mizzou would both absolutely win the B12 this year. This league sucks the big one.
bear2be2
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jikespingleton said:

IowaBear said:

The SEC is far an away the best conference in CFB. Every conference has teams that suck…
Some of you let hate cloud reality
Your reality is so clouded that you can't comprehend a viewpoint different than your own.

They are not "far an away" the best conference. They had 1-2 really good teams at the top of the conference in given season over the past 70 years, just like all P5 conferences. Once you get out of the top teams and depending on the season, the drop off can be pretty steep.

This season, between 9 and 11 of the teams in the sec are average to mediocre. With the recent muscling of the "playoff" format, they are all but guaranteed at least 5 spots. Doesn't mean they are far and away the best. What it does mean is they are writing the rules that everyone has to go along with, which benefit them the most.
This underscores my problem with the perception of the SEC. Nothing that happens on the field to the contrary of the conventional line of thinking ("The SEC is head and shoulders above everyone else") ever matters. The SEC has a ton of really bad nonconference losses already -- and a bunch of other games against substantial underdogs where it didn't look particularly good. And none of that matters.

I think everyone is willing to admit that the top of the SEC is really strong. Always. But below that tier, it's like any other league. And that's proven most years in both nonconference and bowl records.
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Just another long list of heartbreaking losses for Kentucky. Stoops has his D clicking and the O was able to move the ball. He doesn't have the depth that UGA has. I watched most of the game. Very entertaining
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bear2be2 said:

IowaBear said:

This… the top 5 of the SEC would absolutely destroy the top of the B12. Okie St is widely considered a top 3 B12 team and they needed a frigging miracle to beat SEC bottom dweller Arky… at home
Who other than Georgia, Texas, Alabama and Tennessee are you including in this list? Ole Miss has had opportunity after opportunity to prove itself against the Big 12 and loses literally every time. And Missouri needed a miracle field goal to beat a good, not great Kansas State team last year.


That Missouri team also won 11 games and beat Ohio State. When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Ohio State?

2023 Ole Miss also won 11 games and beat Penn State. When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Penn State?

2024 Oklahoma State is probably the equivalent of Arkansas, Texas A&M, and the like, so if they appear in the Big 12 title game, it will be clear where the top of the Big 12 lands.

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IowaBear said:

You're really using meaningless bowl games against Ole Miss. (you yourself have stated a million times bowls are meaningless) so using Ole Miss bowl loses to the B12 is rather dumb. Ole Miss and Mizzou would both absolutely win the B12 this year. This league sucks the big one.
This is absolutist nonsense. Missouri struggled with BC yesterday. And Ole Miss will get hammered by every really good team it plays this year like it always does.
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BC is good this year. O'Brien can flat out coach. No shame in beating a ranked team. Unless of course your Mizzou apparently.
Ole Miss isn't getting spanked by every good team they play.
If a B12 team had beaten that ranked BC squad yesterday you'd be talking that win up. But because it was a top 10 SEC win will you discredit it. Sounds about right for you
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Aberzombie1892 said:

bear2be2 said:

IowaBear said:

This… the top 5 of the SEC would absolutely destroy the top of the B12. Okie St is widely considered a top 3 B12 team and they needed a frigging miracle to beat SEC bottom dweller Arky… at home
Who other than Georgia, Texas, Alabama and Tennessee are you including in this list? Ole Miss has had opportunity after opportunity to prove itself against the Big 12 and loses literally every time. And Missouri needed a miracle field goal to beat a good, not great Kansas State team last year.


That Missouri team also won 11 games and beat Ohio State. When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Ohio State?

2023 Ole Miss also won 11 games and beat Penn State. When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Penn State?

2024 Oklahoma State is probably the equivalent of Arkansas, Texas A&M, and the like, so if they appear in the Big 12 title game, it will be clear where the top of the Big 12 lands.
Active members of the Big 12 (while members of the Big 12) have played a combined four games against Ohio State all time. And only one of those has come in the last 20 years.

Active members of the Big 12 (while members of the Big 12) have played a combined two games against Penn State all time. And both were against West Virginia.

These are the types of stupid things said by people who base their opinions more on perception than reality.

The reality is neither Ole Miss nor Missouri deserve a fraction of the respect people like you and Iowa give them based on their actual bodies of work. That is respect by association. Period.
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Careful … logic isn't allowed here!! We must must call the SEC overrated. Helps with the inferiority complex our fans have
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We should probably just not respect those programs because YOU told us not too. Sounds about right.
Which programs do you respect?? Let's here this list so we can judge you
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IowaBear said:

We should probably just not respect those programs because YOU told us not too. Sounds about right.
Which programs do you respect?? Let's here this list so we can judge you

No, you shouldn't hold them in the same esteem as programs that have actually won things because their historical record is mid as hell when you actually start examining it.

Those programs are capable of one-off great years. But their programs are what they are. And it's silly to give them Alabama and Georgia treatment when they've regularly lost to teams that you're telling me they'd murder when they've had the opportunities to play them.
 
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