We're talking about this year genius as well as last year clearly. I could give a **** what Ole Miss has done historically. That has nothing to do with how good they currently are.
Again I ask which programs do you respect

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This… the top 5 of the SEC would absolutely destroy the top of the B12. Okie St is widely considered a top 3 B12 team and they needed a frigging miracle to beat SEC bottom dweller Arky… at home

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Who other than Georgia, Texas, Alabama and Tennessee are you including in this list? Ole Miss has had opportunity after opportunity to prove itself against the Big 12 and loses literally every time. And Missouri needed a miracle field goal to beat a good, not great Kansas State team last year.

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That Missouri team also won 11 games and beat Ohio State. When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Ohio State?

2023 Ole Miss also won 11 games and beat Penn State. When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Penn State?

2024 Oklahoma State is probably the equivalent of Arkansas, Texas A&M, and the like, so if they appear in the Big 12 title game, it will be clear where the top of the Big 12 lands.

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Active members of the Big 12 (while members of the Big 12) have played a combined four games against Ohio State all time. And only one of those has come in the last 20 years.

Active members of the Big 12 (while members of the Big 12) have played a combined two games against Penn State all time. And both were against West Virginia.

These are the types of stupid things said by people who base their opinions more on perception than reality.

The reality is neither Ole Miss nor Missouri deserve a fraction of the respect people like you and Iowa give them based on their actual bodies of work. That is respect by association. Period.

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Let's follow the logic laid here. Why do the current Big 12 teams rarely play Ohio State and Penn State?

We all know the answer to that question, but it should be asked in the face of any argument that poses that such teams haven't had the opportunity to play - it's because the current Big 12 teams haven't been able to consistently beat the mediocre teams on their schedule while Ohio State and Penn State can.

Let's go a step further. When was the last time that Baylor defeated two P4s out of conference in the same season? Once we have that info, we can start comparing resumes with the big boys.

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BC is good this year. O'Brien can flat out coach. No shame in beating a ranked team. Unless of course your Mizzou apparently.
Ole Miss isn't getting spanked by every good team they play.
If a B12 team had beaten that ranked BC squad yesterday you'd be talking that win up. But because it was a top 10 SEC win will you discredit it. Sounds about right for you

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BC is fine. But if Missouri was as good as you're trying to tell me they are -- (ie. "They'd murder everyone in the Big 12), they wouldn't have struggled to beat a BC team that will almost certainly not finish this season ranked.

That's my point. Missouri and Ole Miss are good, but neither is anything special. Neither has the talent to dominate any conference on a consistent basis. They're Utah or K-State level teams most years -- and much worse than that, on average, in Missouri's case.

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We're talking about this year genius as well as last year clearly. I could give a **** what Ole Miss has done historically. That has nothing to do with how good they currently are.
Again I ask which programs do you respect

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What they've done historically informs reasonable expectations for this year. When Ole Miss loses their customary three games and two of those are blowouts, we can revisit this thread. And see which one of us has done more to earn derisive "genius" monikers.

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This… the top 5 of the SEC would absolutely destroy the top of the B12. Okie St is widely considered a top 3 B12 team and they needed a frigging miracle to beat SEC bottom dweller Arky… at home

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Who other than Georgia, Texas, Alabama and Tennessee are you including in this list? Ole Miss has had opportunity after opportunity to prove itself against the Big 12 and loses literally every time. And Missouri needed a miracle field goal to beat a good, not great Kansas State team last year.

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That Missouri team also won 11 games and beat Ohio State. When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Ohio State?

2023 Ole Miss also won 11 games and beat Penn State. When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Penn State?

2024 Oklahoma State is probably the equivalent of Arkansas, Texas A&M, and the like, so if they appear in the Big 12 title game, it will be clear where the top of the Big 12 lands.

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Active members of the Big 12 (while members of the Big 12) have played a combined four games against Ohio State all time. And only one of those has come in the last 20 years.

Active members of the Big 12 (while members of the Big 12) have played a combined two games against Penn State all time. And both were against West Virginia.

These are the types of stupid things said by people who base their opinions more on perception than reality.

The reality is neither Ole Miss nor Missouri deserve a fraction of the respect people like you and Iowa give them based on their actual bodies of work. That is respect by association. Period.

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Let's follow the logic laid here. Why do the current Big 12 teams rarely play Ohio State and Penn State?

We all know the answer to that question, but it should be asked in the face of any argument that poses that such teams haven't had the opportunity to play - it's because the current Big 12 teams haven't been able to consistently beat the mediocre teams on their schedule while Ohio State and Penn State can.

Let's go a step further. When was the last time that Baylor defeated two P4s out of conference in the same season? Once we have that info, we can start comparing resumes with the big boys.

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Baylor beat BYU (counted as a P5 game by every conference for scheduling purposes) and Ole Miss in 2021.

And there's a lot that goes into nonconference scheduling that would preclude Big 12 teams from playing games against those two. Most power conference nonconference schedules have one P5 game per season, so the opportunity is limited to begin with. And most blue blood programs like to schedule that game against other blue blood programs.

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This… the top 5 of the SEC would absolutely destroy the top of the B12. Okie St is widely considered a top 3 B12 team and they needed a frigging miracle to beat SEC bottom dweller Arky… at home

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Who other than Georgia, Texas, Alabama and Tennessee are you including in this list? Ole Miss has had opportunity after opportunity to prove itself against the Big 12 and loses literally every time. And Missouri needed a miracle field goal to beat a good, not great Kansas State team last year.

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That Missouri team also won 11 games and beat Ohio State. When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Ohio State?

2023 Ole Miss also won 11 games and beat Penn State. When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Penn State?

2024 Oklahoma State is probably the equivalent of Arkansas, Texas A&M, and the like, so if they appear in the Big 12 title game, it will be clear where the top of the Big 12 lands.

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Active members of the Big 12 (while members of the Big 12) have played a combined four games against Ohio State all time. And only one of those has come in the last 20 years.

Active members of the Big 12 (while members of the Big 12) have played a combined two games against Penn State all time. And both were against West Virginia.

These are the types of stupid things said by people who base their opinions more on perception than reality.

The reality is neither Ole Miss nor Missouri deserve a fraction of the respect people like you and Iowa give them based on their actual bodies of work. That is respect by association. Period.

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Let's follow the logic laid here. Why do the current Big 12 teams rarely play Ohio State and Penn State?

We all know the answer to that question, but it should be asked in the face of any argument that poses that such teams haven't had the opportunity to play - it's because the current Big 12 teams haven't been able to consistently beat the mediocre teams on their schedule while Ohio State and Penn State can.

Let's go a step further. When was the last time that Baylor defeated two P4s out of conference in the same season? Once we have that info, we can start comparing resumes with the big boys.

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Baylor beat BYU (counted as a P5 game by every conference for scheduling purposes) and Ole Miss in 2021.

And there's a lot that goes into nonconference scheduling that would preclude Big 12 teams from playing games against those two. Most power conference nonconference schedules have one P5 game per season, so the opportunity is limited to begin with. And most blue blood programs like to schedule that game against other blue blood programs.

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BYU wasn't P4 at the time of the game. Let's go to the actual last time that happened.

Imagine someone discounting Missouri beating KSU and Ohio State in the same season and a rational argument for such discounting flat out isn't there.

I feel like you can go to almost any thread on here and on the men's basketball forum and see Iowabear and bear2be having a fun time with eachother

Just how we roll

Customary 3 blowout loses as Ole Miss went 11-2 last year…

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Just how we roll

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It's entertaining I'm not complaining

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Customary 3 blowout loses as Ole Miss went 11-2 last year…

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Any team in the big 12 who goes 11-2 any given year had an incredible year

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I didn't watch the game so I'm not sure what happened...

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It's always good practice to evaluate a team when you don't watch them play..

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I wasn't evaluating how they did against UK.

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If the post was about what they did vs UK and you didn't watch it, why chime in?

I saw the game.

It was as pathetic as 13-12 box score would indicate.

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Back to my question....do you think Georgia sucks?

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Outside of the georgia vs uk game? No.

Georgia is all but guaranteed 8 wins minimum. They still have Auburn, Miss St, Florida, Massachusetts in November and Georgia Tech to play

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This… the top 5 of the SEC would absolutely destroy the top of the B12. Okie St is widely considered a top 3 B12 team and they needed a frigging miracle to beat SEC bottom dweller Arky… at home

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Who other than Georgia, Texas, Alabama and Tennessee are you including in this list? Ole Miss has had opportunity after opportunity to prove itself against the Big 12 and loses literally every time. And Missouri needed a miracle field goal to beat a good, not great Kansas State team last year.

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When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Ohio State?

When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Penn State?

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Has anyone in the B12 played either of those teams this century?

I mean WV got absolutely mauled by PSU literally 2 weeks ago…

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This… the top 5 of the SEC would absolutely destroy the top of the B12. Okie St is widely considered a top 3 B12 team and they needed a frigging miracle to beat SEC bottom dweller Arky… at home

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Who other than Georgia, Texas, Alabama and Tennessee are you including in this list? Ole Miss has had opportunity after opportunity to prove itself against the Big 12 and loses literally every time. And Missouri needed a miracle field goal to beat a good, not great Kansas State team last year.

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When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Ohio State?

When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Penn State?

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Has anyone in the B12 played either of those teams this century?

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Without researching, Utah recently played Ohio State, but that may be it. There is a reason that such games are so rare (see earlier post).

Edit: WVU and Penn State play from time to time.

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This… the top 5 of the SEC would absolutely destroy the top of the B12. Okie St is widely considered a top 3 B12 team and they needed a frigging miracle to beat SEC bottom dweller Arky… at home

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Who other than Georgia, Texas, Alabama and Tennessee are you including in this list? Ole Miss has had opportunity after opportunity to prove itself against the Big 12 and loses literally every time. And Missouri needed a miracle field goal to beat a good, not great Kansas State team last year.

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That Missouri team also won 11 games and beat Ohio State. When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Ohio State?

2023 Ole Miss also won 11 games and beat Penn State. When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Penn State?

2024 Oklahoma State is probably the equivalent of Arkansas, Texas A&M, and the like, so if they appear in the Big 12 title game, it will be clear where the top of the Big 12 lands.

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Active members of the Big 12 (while members of the Big 12) have played a combined four games against Ohio State all time. And only one of those has come in the last 20 years.

Active members of the Big 12 (while members of the Big 12) have played a combined two games against Penn State all time. And both were against West Virginia.

These are the types of stupid things said by people who base their opinions more on perception than reality.

The reality is neither Ole Miss nor Missouri deserve a fraction of the respect people like you and Iowa give them based on their actual bodies of work. That is respect by association. Period.

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Why do the current Big 12 teams rarely play Ohio State and Penn State?

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If talking OOC games, the scheduling has more to do with geography and availability than anything else. Teams schedule a lot of their OOC games vs regional teams. Sometimes when looking for matchups, programs have to schedule out 6-7 years or more.

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Customary 3 blowout loses as Ole Miss went 11-2 last year…

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I said three losses, two blowouts. That was the first year they hadn't lost at least three games since 1971, and they still got their heads handed to them both times they actually played elite teams.

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Ole Miss and Mizzou would both absolutely win the B12 this year.

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Their OOC wins are impressive.

After all, anyone who beats the likes of buffalo, middle tennessee st, murray st, wake forest, boston college and furman would "absolutely" win the B12.

Oh I almost forgot. Ole Miss and MIzzou still need to line up and beat Ga Southern and Massachusetts this year. God willing, they may prevail.

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Customary 3 blowout loses as Ole Miss went 11-2 last year…

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Any team in the big 12 who goes 11-2 any given year had an incredible year

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I agree. Ole Miss has literally had one such year in over five decades. That's why I'm loathe to put them in any sentence that includes the SEC's actual powers.

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This… the top 5 of the SEC would absolutely destroy the top of the B12. Okie St is widely considered a top 3 B12 team and they needed a frigging miracle to beat SEC bottom dweller Arky… at home

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Who other than Georgia, Texas, Alabama and Tennessee are you including in this list? Ole Miss has had opportunity after opportunity to prove itself against the Big 12 and loses literally every time. And Missouri needed a miracle field goal to beat a good, not great Kansas State team last year.

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When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Ohio State?

When was the last time a current member of the Big 12 defeated Penn State?

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Has anyone in the B12 played either of those teams this century?

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Without researching, Utah recently played Ohio State, but that may be it. There is a reason that such games are so rare (see earlier post).

Edit: WVU and Penn State play from time to time.

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They're rare because nonconference scheduling in college football is a joke.

Ohio State plays two times as many MAC schools as P4 schools a lot of years. Does that mean the MAC is a stronger league?

Not counting bowl games, there's one chance per season for any real nonconference opponent to play any P4 program. And the most historically relevant on that list like to use that game to play each other.

Who the hell has anyone in the B12 beat in the OOC??? BC was a ranked non con win for Mizzou

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Customary 3 blowout loses as Ole Miss went 11-2 last year…

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Any team in the big 12 who goes 11-2 any given year had an incredible year

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I agree. Ole Miss has literally had one such year in over five decades. That's why I'm loathe to put them in any sentence that includes the SEC's actual powers.

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This reads like a misunderstanding of what posters are saying in this thread. Ole Miss/Missouri are probably not within 10 points of Georgia/Texas/Alabama, and the difference here is that posters are saying Oklahoma State/Kansas State, and utah are probably not within 10 points of Ole Miss/Missouri. If it's easier to visualize, imagine the top of the Big 12 is tier 3 overall and not tier 2.

Georgia had some sloppy games in 2023 and 2022 and 2021 and 2020.
Let's don't say they suck because they won by just enough to grow their regular season win streak to 42.

Kirby Smart will make adjustments.

Texas is legit too. Arch is the best quarterback in college football right now and it ain't even close. Just watched the game with my Longhorn wife. That running cross body pass was Mahomes plus Brady. His 67(?) yard TD scramble was 20.7 mph, he walked away from D1 corners.

I don't know who is the best team in D1 right now but there is some separation.

Blake putting on a show now that he isn't held back in Waco.

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Georgia had some sloppy games in 2023 and 2022 and 2021 and 2020.
Let's don't say they suck because they won by just enough to grow their regular season win streak to 42.

Kirby Smart will make adjustments.

Texas is legit too. Arch is the best quarterback in college football right now and it ain't even close. Just watched the game with my Longhorn wife. That running cross body pass was Mahomes plus Brady. His 67(?) yard TD scramble was 20.7 mph, he walked away from D1 corners.

I don't know who is the best team in D1 right now but there is some separation.

Blake putting on a show now that he isn't held back in Waco.

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You can tell Arch has worked hard on his body, master the playbook, and build relationships with his team. They love him. He is going to thrive under Sarks scheme

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Who the hell has anyone in the B12 beat in the OOC??? BC was a ranked non con win for Mizzou

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Why does the head-and-shoulders-above-everyone-else conference play fewer conference games and so many pansies in the OOC?

If they are so much better, shouldn't they be playing 9 conference games and we should be playing 8?

These are rhetorical questions. If you are unsure of the answers, I can provide them.

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Customary 3 blowout loses as Ole Miss went 11-2 last year…

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Any team in the big 12 who goes 11-2 any given year had an incredible year

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I agree. Ole Miss has literally had one such year in over five decades. That's why I'm loathe to put them in any sentence that includes the SEC's actual powers.

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This reads like a misunderstanding of what posters are saying in this thread. Ole Miss/Missouri are probably not within 10 points of Georgia/Texas/Alabama, and the difference here is that posters are saying Oklahoma State/Kansas State, and utah are probably not within 10 points of Ole Miss/Missouri. If it's easier to visualize, imagine the top of the Big 12 is tier 3 overall and not tier 2.

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On what are you basing that 10 points? Ole Miss couldn't play Georgia within 30 last year in their best year maybe ever.

And they've lost eight straight against Bama, with an average margin of 25.9 points.

This is what I'm talking about. SEC teams never have to prove anything on the field. People just talk out of our asses about their strength constantly.

Every other team in every other conference has a burden of proof on them that SEC also-rans don't. I'm fine giving Georgia and Alabama that respect/benefit of the doubt. They've earned it. Literally no one else in that league has.

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Who the hell has anyone in the B12 beat in the OOC??? BC was a ranked non con win for Mizzou

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Why does the head-and-shoulders-above-everyone-else conference play fewer conference games and so many pansies in the OOC?

Why play only 8 conference games while everyone else has to play 9?

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The ACC and its 8 conference games says hi.

Are you REALLY trying to argue the SEC isn't the best conference? What's your logic?
I mean they win the nattys most years, produce the most NFL picks (by far) routinely dominate the polls. It's the best league in CFB I'm not sure how anyone can dispute that.

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Customary 3 blowout loses as Ole Miss went 11-2 last year…

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Any team in the big 12 who goes 11-2 any given year had an incredible year

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I agree. Ole Miss has literally had one such year in over five decades. That's why I'm loathe to put them in any sentence that includes the SEC's actual powers.

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This reads like a misunderstanding of what posters are saying in this thread. Ole Miss/Missouri are probably not within 10 points of Georgia/Texas/Alabama, and the difference here is that posters are saying Oklahoma State/Kansas State, and utah are probably not within 10 points of Ole Miss/Missouri. If it's easier to visualize, imagine the top of the Big 12 is tier 3 overall and not tier 2.

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On what are you basing that 10 points? Ole Miss couldn't play Georgia within 30 last year in their best year maybe ever.

And they've lost eight straight against Bama, with an average margin of 25.9 points.

This is what I'm talking about. SEC teams never have to prove anything on the field. People just talk out of our asses about their strength constantly.

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You're intentionally missing the point, which is that the 2nd tier of the SEC is above the 1st tier of the Big 12. That shouldn't be controversial - even here.

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Georgia had some sloppy games in 2023 and 2022 and 2021 and 2020.
Let's don't say they suck because they won by just enough to grow their regular season win streak to 42.

Kirby Smart will make adjustments.

Texas is legit too. Arch is the best quarterback in college football right now and it ain't even close. Just watched the game with my Longhorn wife. That running cross body pass was Mahomes plus Brady. His 67(?) yard TD scramble was 20.7 mph, he walked away from D1 corners.

I don't know who is the best team in D1 right now but there is some separation.

Blake putting on a show now that he isn't held back in Waco.

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Blake has been down 30-3 and 35-3 in his last two games against middling teams. He'll be putting on that show from the sidelines here in a few weeks if he keeps playing the way he has.

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Are you REALLY trying to argue the SEC isn't the best conference? What's your logic?
I mean they win the nattys most years, produce the most NFL picks (by far) routinely dominate the polls. It's the best league in CFB I'm not sure how anyone can dispute that.

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Great. They are the best. Why does the best conference play so many more pansies on their schedule? Why do they get a cupcake in November?

The SEC plays 8 while the (former) P12, the B12 and B10 all play 9. For a 16 team conference like the B12, thats 8 more guaranteed losses, every year.

Why does the sec get to avoid the additional conference losses - shouldn't it be the other way around?

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Customary 3 blowout loses as Ole Miss went 11-2 last year…

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Any team in the big 12 who goes 11-2 any given year had an incredible year

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I agree. Ole Miss has literally had one such year in over five decades. That's why I'm loathe to put them in any sentence that includes the SEC's actual powers.

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This reads like a misunderstanding of what posters are saying in this thread. Ole Miss/Missouri are probably not within 10 points of Georgia/Texas/Alabama, and the difference here is that posters are saying Oklahoma State/Kansas State, and utah are probably not within 10 points of Ole Miss/Missouri. If it's easier to visualize, imagine the top of the Big 12 is tier 3 overall and not tier 2.

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On what are you basing that 10 points? Ole Miss couldn't play Georgia within 30 last year in their best year maybe ever.

And they've lost eight straight against Bama, with an average margin of 25.9 points.

This is what I'm talking about. SEC teams never have to prove anything on the field. People just talk out of our asses about their strength constantly.

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You're intentionally missing the point, which is that the 2nd tier of the SEC is above the 1st tier of the Big 12. That shouldn't be controversial - even here.

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I think any of the good teams in the Big 12 -- Utah, Kansas-State, Oklahoma State and Iowa State -- would look just fine on a football field with Ole Miss and Missouri. It would be a good, competitive game with all of them.

Georgia, Alabama and Texas would out-talent/manhandle them, and Tennessee would likely run away from them in the second half. But I haven't seen anything from any other SEC team that leads me to believe any of the other teams are special.

If you have, great. But the things you've posted in this thread that can easily be disproven with facts and past precedent prove that you hold those schools in higher esteem than they've even come close to earning on the field.

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Customary 3 blowout loses as Ole Miss went 11-2 last year…

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Any team in the big 12 who goes 11-2 any given year had an incredible year

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I agree. Ole Miss has literally had one such year in over five decades. That's why I'm loathe to put them in any sentence that includes the SEC's actual powers.

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This reads like a misunderstanding of what posters are saying in this thread. Ole Miss/Missouri are probably not within 10 points of Georgia/Texas/Alabama, and the difference here is that posters are saying Oklahoma State/Kansas State, and utah are probably not within 10 points of Ole Miss/Missouri. If it's easier to visualize, imagine the top of the Big 12 is tier 3 overall and not tier 2.

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This is what I'm talking about. SEC teams never have to prove anything on the field. People just talk out of our asses about their strength constantly.

Every other team in every other conference has a burden of proof on them that SEC also-rans don't. I'm fine giving Georgia and Alabama that respect/benefit of the doubt. They've earned it. Literally no one else in that league has.

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It's a hill that I've died on many times over the years.

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Customary 3 blowout loses as Ole Miss went 11-2 last year…

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Any team in the big 12 who goes 11-2 any given year had an incredible year

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I agree. Ole Miss has literally had one such year in over five decades. That's why I'm loathe to put them in any sentence that includes the SEC's actual powers.

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This reads like a misunderstanding of what posters are saying in this thread. Ole Miss/Missouri are probably not within 10 points of Georgia/Texas/Alabama, and the difference here is that posters are saying Oklahoma State/Kansas State, and utah are probably not within 10 points of Ole Miss/Missouri. If it's easier to visualize, imagine the top of the Big 12 is tier 3 overall and not tier 2.

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This is what I'm talking about. SEC teams never have to prove anything on the field. People just talk out of our asses about their strength constantly.

Every other team in every other conference has a burden of proof on them that SEC also-rans don't. I'm fine giving Georgia and Alabama that respect/benefit of the doubt. They've earned it. Literally no one else in that league has.

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It's a hill that I've died on many times over the years.

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It's why we have to pretend that A&M is a good team every season until that zeppelin comes crashing back to earth in a fiery heap. It's exhausting.

I follow ISU closer than anyone here and I can guarantee Ole Miss beats them handily. Even my die hard ISU friends would agree. KSU was lucky to get by Tulane. Okie St needed a miracle to beat Arky. Utah without Cam Rising is hott garbage