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Typical sec schedule. At least they don't have a cupcake in November they way some do. They also have two rivalry games. Although certainly winnable for them, you never know.

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bigbadbear1993 said:

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SEC is very over hyped - UT has such an easy schedule. All winnable games except for GA - They play LA Monroe next smh

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IowaBear said:

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Zero idea why our posters dog on all the SEC teams schedules when our schedule looks like a High School JV schedule. The entire B12 is crap as a whole.

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Jorkel said:

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IowaBear said:

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Zero idea why our posters dog on all the SEC teams schedules when our schedule looks like a High School JV schedule. The entire B12 is crap as a whole.

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It's probably because the big 12 doesn't self proclaim to be the mightiest league or something. I still think the big 12 is just a bunch of "other teams" and quite frankly, boring to watch outside of Baylor, and i definitely wouldn't watch Baylor if I wasn't raised a fan. The big 12 might be the most "competitive" league within itself but I don't care to watch mid/bad football vs mid/bad football.

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boognish_bear said:

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I would not put Georgia in the "sucks" category.

I didn't watch the game so I'm not sure what happened....but I would imagine this is more a case of them sleep walking than sucking.

We know they have some of the best talent in the country on their roster and a great coaching staff. This iteration may not be the usual juggernaut....but they aren't a team that sucks.

The SEC as a whole does get overblown in my opinion....but the top of that conference is full of killers.

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IowaBear said:

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The opinions I've shared DO have merit. The only things I've said is the SEC is head n shoulders better than the B12 and that the top of the SEC would destroy the top of the B12. Those are all facts.
Which B12 team is beating Bama? GA? Texas? Ole Miss?

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Jorkel said:

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IowaBear said:

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Zero idea why our posters dog on all the SEC teams schedules when our schedule looks like a High School JV schedule. The entire B12 is crap as a whole.

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It's probably because the big 12 doesn't self proclaim to be the mightiest league or something. I still think the big 12 is just a bunch of "other teams" and quite frankly, boring to watch outside of Baylor, and i definitely wouldn't watch Baylor if I wasn't raised a fan. The big 12 might be the most "competitive" league within itself but I don't care to watch mid/bad football vs mid/bad football.

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bear2be2 said:

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I think it's funny that TCU won 13 games (two more than Ole Miss has ever won) and reached the national title game in 2022, and we still have people here who would say that wasn't really a good team.

And now we have Ole Miss and Missouri, who have four 10-win seasons between them in the last decade, and we're supposed to bow down and kiss the ring because SEC! SEC!

If you want an example of how and why college football is broken, that's it in a nutshell. We have people who are wrong literally all the time making guarantees about who would beat who in games that should be but are never played. And the ones that aren't played don't have any impact whatsoever on national perception.

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IowaBear said:

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What question would you like me to answer?? I've ask you several you refuse to answer.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion sure. Doesn't change the fact that anyone disputing the SEC as the top conference is delusional or straight up doesn't pay attention.

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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I think it's funny that TCU won 13 games (two more than Ole Miss has ever won) and reached the national title game in 2022, and we still have people here who would say that wasn't really a good team.

And now we have Ole Miss and Missouri, who have four 10-win seasons between them in the last decade, and we're supposed to bow down and kiss the ring because SEC! SEC!

If you want an example of how and why college football is broken, that's it in a nutshell. We have people who are wrong literally all the time making guarantees about who would beat who in games that should be but are never played. And the ones that aren't played don't have any impact whatsoever on national perception.

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When 5 different SEC teams have been good enough to win a championship in the last 20 years, many good SEC programs are going to have 2-3 losses per year at a minimum. The league beats up on itself. Ole Miss has been average to really good but never elite on the scale of Bama, Georgia, or LSU. Neither has any other team in the country.

I believe this year's Ole Miss team is their best. They will still likely have a couple of losses, but there's nothing wrong with speculating how they might do in another conference.

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bear2be2 said:

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Jorkel said:

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IowaBear said:

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Zero idea why our posters dog on all the SEC teams schedules when our schedule looks like a High School JV schedule. The entire B12 is crap as a whole.

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It's probably because the big 12 doesn't self proclaim to be the mightiest league or something. I still think the big 12 is just a bunch of "other teams" and quite frankly, boring to watch outside of Baylor, and i definitely wouldn't watch Baylor if I wasn't raised a fan. The big 12 might be the most "competitive" league within itself but I don't care to watch mid/bad football vs mid/bad football.

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Anyone who could watch the UCF-TCU game and say it was boring isn't a college football fan. And the Big 12 has multiple games like that every week.

People can say whatever they want about the quality of the Big 12 compared to the SEC, and I'll generally agree with them. But I'll push back against anyone who questions the league's entertainment value compared the P2.

The SEC is one blowout after another and the Big Ten is boring as *****

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Jorkel said:

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IowaBear said:

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Zero idea why our posters dog on all the SEC teams schedules when our schedule looks like a High School JV schedule. The entire B12 is crap as a whole.

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It's probably because the big 12 doesn't self proclaim to be the mightiest league or something. I still think the big 12 is just a bunch of "other teams" and quite frankly, boring to watch outside of Baylor, and i definitely wouldn't watch Baylor if I wasn't raised a fan. The big 12 might be the most "competitive" league within itself but I don't care to watch mid/bad football vs mid/bad football.

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Anyone who could watch the UCF-TCU game and say it was boring isn't a college football fan. And the Big 12 has multiple games like that every week.

People can say whatever they want about the quality of the Big 12 compared to the SEC, and I'll generally agree with them. But I'll push back against anyone who questions the league's entertainment value compared the P2.

The SEC is one blowout after another and the Big Ten is boring as *****

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I'm actually looking forward to the new B 12. No one is head and shoulders above anyone else. I love the automatic bid too - a handful of teams should have a chance at making the playoffs every year.

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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I think it's funny that TCU won 13 games (two more than Ole Miss has ever won) and reached the national title game in 2022, and we still have people here who would say that wasn't really a good team.

And now we have Ole Miss and Missouri, who have four 10-win seasons between them in the last decade, and we're supposed to bow down and kiss the ring because SEC! SEC!

If you want an example of how and why college football is broken, that's it in a nutshell. We have people who are wrong literally all the time making guarantees about who would beat who in games that should be but are never played. And the ones that aren't played don't have any impact whatsoever on national perception.

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When 5 different SEC teams have been good enough to win a championship in the last 20 years, many good SEC programs are going to have 2-3 losses per year at a minimum. The league beats up on itself. Ole Miss has been average to really good but never elite on the scale of Bama, Georgia, or LSU. Neither has any other team in the country.

I believe this year's Ole Miss team is their best. They will still likely have a couple of losses, but there's nothing wrong with speculating how they might do in another conference.

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The fact that Ole Miss has never even sniffed one of those championships should tell you something. They've never even played for one -- even in the rare years they beat Alabama.

That program isn't what you guys are trying to sell them as. And they've played absolutely no one this year. We'll see how good they are in SEC play. Until then, they have the same burden of proof that every other non-SEC team in America has.

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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I think it's funny that TCU won 13 games (two more than Ole Miss has ever won) and reached the national title game in 2022, and we still have people here who would say that wasn't really a good team.

And now we have Ole Miss and Missouri, who have four 10-win seasons between them in the last decade, and we're supposed to bow down and kiss the ring because SEC! SEC!

If you want an example of how and why college football is broken, that's it in a nutshell. We have people who are wrong literally all the time making guarantees about who would beat who in games that should be but are never played. And the ones that aren't played don't have any impact whatsoever on national perception.

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When 5 different SEC teams have been good enough to win a championship in the last 20 years, many good SEC programs are going to have 2-3 losses per year at a minimum. The league beats up on itself. Ole Miss has been average to really good but never elite on the scale of Bama, Georgia, or LSU. Neither has any other team in the country.

I believe this year's Ole Miss team is their best. They will still likely have a couple of losses, but there's nothing wrong with speculating how they might do in another conference.

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The fact that Ole Miss has never even sniffed one of those championships should tell you something. They've never even played for one -- even in the rare years they beat Alabama.

That program isn't what you guys are trying to sell them as. And they've played absolutely no one this year. We'll see how good they are in SEC play. Until then, they have the same burden of proof that every other non-SEC team in America has.

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I'm not talking about the past. While they've been good enough to be top 10 a few years . . . definitely not good enough to emerge out of the SEC for a chance at a championship.

They apparently did really well in the portal this last offseason. With their portal success and key ingredients coming back from last year's 11-2 team, they could be a playoff contender.

They had a similar trajectory to Texas over the last 20 years, and Texas finally emerged last year.

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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I think it's funny that TCU won 13 games (two more than Ole Miss has ever won) and reached the national title game in 2022, and we still have people here who would say that wasn't really a good team.

And now we have Ole Miss and Missouri, who have four 10-win seasons between them in the last decade, and we're supposed to bow down and kiss the ring because SEC! SEC!

If you want an example of how and why college football is broken, that's it in a nutshell. We have people who are wrong literally all the time making guarantees about who would beat who in games that should be but are never played. And the ones that aren't played don't have any impact whatsoever on national perception.

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When 5 different SEC teams have been good enough to win a championship in the last 20 years, many good SEC programs are going to have 2-3 losses per year at a minimum. The league beats up on itself. Ole Miss has been average to really good but never elite on the scale of Bama, Georgia, or LSU. Neither has any other team in the country.

I believe this year's Ole Miss team is their best. They will still likely have a couple of losses, but there's nothing wrong with speculating how they might do in another conference.

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The fact that Ole Miss has never even sniffed one of those championships should tell you something. They've never even played for one -- even in the rare years they beat Alabama.

That program isn't what you guys are trying to sell them as. And they've played absolutely no one this year. We'll see how good they are in SEC play. Until then, they have the same burden of proof that every other non-SEC team in America has.

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I'm not talking about the past. While they've been good enough to be top 10 a few years . . . definitely not good enough to emerge out of the SEC for a chance at a championship.

They apparently did really well in the portal this last offseason. With their portal success and key ingredients coming back from last year's 11-2 team, they could be a playoff contender.

They had a similar trajectory to Texas over the last 20 years, and Texas finally emerged last year.

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Your last sentence is why history matters. Texas' program ceiling is so much higher than Ole Miss' it's not funny. When you ignore Ole Miss' history, you start to fool yourself into believing they're something they've never been and are not currently.

On the rare occasions they get their **** together, Texas is a legitimate national title contender. They've proved it under three different coaches in my lifetime. Ole Miss is at the pinnacle of its existence and still can't even get into an SEC championship game, much less win one.

This could well be their best team in history. But the burden of proof is on them to display that. Until they do, they're still Ole Miss.

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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I think it's funny that TCU won 13 games (two more than Ole Miss has ever won) and reached the national title game in 2022, and we still have people here who would say that wasn't really a good team.

And now we have Ole Miss and Missouri, who have four 10-win seasons between them in the last decade, and we're supposed to bow down and kiss the ring because SEC! SEC!

If you want an example of how and why college football is broken, that's it in a nutshell. We have people who are wrong literally all the time making guarantees about who would beat who in games that should be but are never played. And the ones that aren't played don't have any impact whatsoever on national perception.

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When 5 different SEC teams have been good enough to win a championship in the last 20 years, many good SEC programs are going to have 2-3 losses per year at a minimum. The league beats up on itself. Ole Miss has been average to really good but never elite on the scale of Bama, Georgia, or LSU. Neither has any other team in the country.

I believe this year's Ole Miss team is their best. They will still likely have a couple of losses, but there's nothing wrong with speculating how they might do in another conference.

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The fact that Ole Miss has never even sniffed one of those championships should tell you something. They've never even played for one -- even in the rare years they beat Alabama.

That program isn't what you guys are trying to sell them as. And they've played absolutely no one this year. We'll see how good they are in SEC play. Until then, they have the same burden of proof that every other non-SEC team in America has.

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I'm not talking about the past. While they've been good enough to be top 10 a few years . . . definitely not good enough to emerge out of the SEC for a chance at a championship.

They apparently did really well in the portal this last offseason. With their portal success and key ingredients coming back from last year's 11-2 team, they could be a playoff contender.

They had a similar trajectory to Texas over the last 20 years, and Texas finally emerged last year.

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Your last sentence is why history matters. Texas' program ceiling is so much higher than Ole Miss' it's not funny. When you ignore Ole Miss' history, you start to fool yourself into believing they're something they've never been and are not currently.

On the rare occasions they get their **** together, Texas is a legitimate national title contender. They've proved it under three different coaches in my lifetime. Ole Miss is at the pinnacle of its existence and still can't even get into an SEC championship game, much less win one.

This could well be their best team in history. But the burden of proof is on them to display that. Until they do, they're still Ole Miss.

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muddybrazos said:

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Jorkel said:

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IowaBear said:

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Zero idea why our posters dog on all the SEC teams schedules when our schedule looks like a High School JV schedule. The entire B12 is crap as a whole.

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It's probably because the big 12 doesn't self proclaim to be the mightiest league or something. I still think the big 12 is just a bunch of "other teams" and quite frankly, boring to watch outside of Baylor, and i definitely wouldn't watch Baylor if I wasn't raised a fan. The big 12 might be the most "competitive" league within itself but I don't care to watch mid/bad football vs mid/bad football.

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I cant really disagree with you about Baylor. The average fan wouldnt watch BU if they werent from Texas or just really big college football fans that like to gamble. I do enjoy watching the random b12 games, though. In fact I actually enjoy watching the sunbelt conf or tues night Maction. Probably a lot of that has to do with betting but I also just really love college football. I usually go with a 2 tv set up so I can watch the SEC games and also our game or whatever other interesting match up is on. I do live in the South and most of my friends want to watch whatever SEC game or Clemson and I've had to bring my chrome book with me to a get together if our game was on at the same time.

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IowaBear said:

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Zero idea why our posters dog on all the SEC teams schedules

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bear2be2 said:

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Jorkel said:

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IowaBear said:

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Zero idea why our posters dog on all the SEC teams schedules when our schedule looks like a High School JV schedule. The entire B12 is crap as a whole.

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It's probably because the big 12 doesn't self proclaim to be the mightiest league or something. I still think the big 12 is just a bunch of "other teams" and quite frankly, boring to watch outside of Baylor, and i definitely wouldn't watch Baylor if I wasn't raised a fan. The big 12 might be the most "competitive" league within itself but I don't care to watch mid/bad football vs mid/bad football.

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Anyone who could watch the UCF-TCU game and say it was boring isn't a college football fan. And the Big 12 has multiple games like that every week.

People can say whatever they want about the quality of the Big 12 compared to the SEC, and I'll generally agree with them. But I'll push back against anyone who questions the league's entertainment value compared the P2.

The SEC is one blowout after another and the Big Ten is boring as *****

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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I think it's funny that TCU won 13 games (two more than Ole Miss has ever won) and reached the national title game in 2022, and we still have people here who would say that wasn't really a good team.

And now we have Ole Miss and Missouri, who have four 10-win seasons between them in the last decade, and we're supposed to bow down and kiss the ring because SEC! SEC!

If you want an example of how and why college football is broken, that's it in a nutshell. We have people who are wrong literally all the time making guarantees about who would beat who in games that should be but are never played. And the ones that aren't played don't have any impact whatsoever on national perception.

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When 5 different SEC teams have been good enough to win a championship in the last 20 years, many good SEC programs are going to have 2-3 losses per year at a minimum. The league beats up on itself. Ole Miss has been average to really good but never elite on the scale of Bama, Georgia, or LSU. Neither has any other team in the country.

I believe this year's Ole Miss team is their best. They will still likely have a couple of losses, but there's nothing wrong with speculating how they might do in another conference.

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The fact that Ole Miss has never even sniffed one of those championships should tell you something. They've never even played for one -- even in the rare years they beat Alabama.

That program isn't what you guys are trying to sell them as. And they've played absolutely no one this year. We'll see how good they are in SEC play. Until then, they have the same burden of proof that every other non-SEC team in America has.

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I'm not talking about the past. While they've been good enough to be top 10 a few years . . . definitely not good enough to emerge out of the SEC for a chance at a championship.

They apparently did really well in the portal this last offseason. With their portal success and key ingredients coming back from last year's 11-2 team, they could be a playoff contender.

They had a similar trajectory to Texas over the last 20 years, and Texas finally emerged last year.

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Your last sentence is why history matters. Texas' program ceiling is so much higher than Ole Miss' it's not funny. When you ignore Ole Miss' history, you start to fool yourself into believing they're something they've never been and are not currently.

On the rare occasions they get their **** together, Texas is a legitimate national title contender. They've proved it under three different coaches in my lifetime. Ole Miss is at the pinnacle of its existence and still can't even get into an SEC championship game, much less win one.

This could well be their best team in history. But the burden of proof is on them to display that. Until they do, they're still Ole Miss.

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No question, they have to prove it, and they certainly don't have the same tradition as Texas. But with all of its tradition, Texas rarely even won its own conference. Whoever won the big 12 was guaranteed a beat down at the national level … often at the hands of whichever SEC team made the playoffs. But since Vince Young left, I think Ole Miss has been consistently better than Texas until last year.

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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I think it's funny that TCU won 13 games (two more than Ole Miss has ever won) and reached the national title game in 2022, and we still have people here who would say that wasn't really a good team.

And now we have Ole Miss and Missouri, who have four 10-win seasons between them in the last decade, and we're supposed to bow down and kiss the ring because SEC! SEC!

If you want an example of how and why college football is broken, that's it in a nutshell. We have people who are wrong literally all the time making guarantees about who would beat who in games that should be but are never played. And the ones that aren't played don't have any impact whatsoever on national perception.

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When 5 different SEC teams have been good enough to win a championship in the last 20 years, many good SEC programs are going to have 2-3 losses per year at a minimum. The league beats up on itself. Ole Miss has been average to really good but never elite on the scale of Bama, Georgia, or LSU. Neither has any other team in the country.

I believe this year's Ole Miss team is their best. They will still likely have a couple of losses, but there's nothing wrong with speculating how they might do in another conference.

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The fact that Ole Miss has never even sniffed one of those championships should tell you something. They've never even played for one -- even in the rare years they beat Alabama.

That program isn't what you guys are trying to sell them as. And they've played absolutely no one this year. We'll see how good they are in SEC play. Until then, they have the same burden of proof that every other non-SEC team in America has.

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I'm not talking about the past. While they've been good enough to be top 10 a few years . . . definitely not good enough to emerge out of the SEC for a chance at a championship.

They apparently did really well in the portal this last offseason. With their portal success and key ingredients coming back from last year's 11-2 team, they could be a playoff contender.

They had a similar trajectory to Texas over the last 20 years, and Texas finally emerged last year.

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Your last sentence is why history matters. Texas' program ceiling is so much higher than Ole Miss' it's not funny. When you ignore Ole Miss' history, you start to fool yourself into believing they're something they've never been and are not currently.

On the rare occasions they get their **** together, Texas is a legitimate national title contender. They've proved it under three different coaches in my lifetime. Ole Miss is at the pinnacle of its existence and still can't even get into an SEC championship game, much less win one.

This could well be their best team in history. But the burden of proof is on them to display that. Until they do, they're still Ole Miss.

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Also, while we're talking Ole Miss's lack of success in the SEC, how many other teams in the country would even win the SEC West in the last 20 years over Alabama and LSU.

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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I think it's funny that TCU won 13 games (two more than Ole Miss has ever won) and reached the national title game in 2022, and we still have people here who would say that wasn't really a good team.

And now we have Ole Miss and Missouri, who have four 10-win seasons between them in the last decade, and we're supposed to bow down and kiss the ring because SEC! SEC!

If you want an example of how and why college football is broken, that's it in a nutshell. We have people who are wrong literally all the time making guarantees about who would beat who in games that should be but are never played. And the ones that aren't played don't have any impact whatsoever on national perception.

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When 5 different SEC teams have been good enough to win a championship in the last 20 years, many good SEC programs are going to have 2-3 losses per year at a minimum. The league beats up on itself. Ole Miss has been average to really good but never elite on the scale of Bama, Georgia, or LSU. Neither has any other team in the country.

I believe this year's Ole Miss team is their best. They will still likely have a couple of losses, but there's nothing wrong with speculating how they might do in another conference.

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The fact that Ole Miss has never even sniffed one of those championships should tell you something. They've never even played for one -- even in the rare years they beat Alabama.

That program isn't what you guys are trying to sell them as. And they've played absolutely no one this year. We'll see how good they are in SEC play. Until then, they have the same burden of proof that every other non-SEC team in America has.

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I'm not talking about the past. While they've been good enough to be top 10 a few years . . . definitely not good enough to emerge out of the SEC for a chance at a championship.

They apparently did really well in the portal this last offseason. With their portal success and key ingredients coming back from last year's 11-2 team, they could be a playoff contender.

They had a similar trajectory to Texas over the last 20 years, and Texas finally emerged last year.

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Your last sentence is why history matters. Texas' program ceiling is so much higher than Ole Miss' it's not funny. When you ignore Ole Miss' history, you start to fool yourself into believing they're something they've never been and are not currently.

On the rare occasions they get their **** together, Texas is a legitimate national title contender. They've proved it under three different coaches in my lifetime. Ole Miss is at the pinnacle of its existence and still can't even get into an SEC championship game, much less win one.

This could well be their best team in history. But the burden of proof is on them to display that. Until they do, they're still Ole Miss.

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No question, they have to prove it, and they certainly don't have the same tradition as Texas. But with all of its tradition, Texas rarely even won its own conference. Whoever won the big 12 was guaranteed a beat down at the national level … often at the hands of whichever SEC team made the playoffs. But since Vince Young left, I think Ole Miss has been consistently better than Texas until last year.

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The difference is we (non-UT Big 12 fans) made Texas go win a conference championship and make a playoff before we started buying into the "Texas is back" hype. They had a burden of proof to reach and did, so they've earned more benefit of doubt this season. Ole Miss has literally never earned that benefit of doubt.

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muddybrazos said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Jorkel said:

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IowaBear said:

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Zero idea why our posters dog on all the SEC teams schedules when our schedule looks like a High School JV schedule. The entire B12 is crap as a whole.

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It's probably because the big 12 doesn't self proclaim to be the mightiest league or something. I still think the big 12 is just a bunch of "other teams" and quite frankly, boring to watch outside of Baylor, and i definitely wouldn't watch Baylor if I wasn't raised a fan. The big 12 might be the most "competitive" league within itself but I don't care to watch mid/bad football vs mid/bad football.

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Anyone who could watch the UCF-TCU game and say it was boring isn't a college football fan. And the Big 12 has multiple games like that every week.

People can say whatever they want about the quality of the Big 12 compared to the SEC, and I'll generally agree with them. But I'll push back against anyone who questions the league's entertainment value compared the P2.

The SEC is one blowout after another and the Big Ten is boring as *****

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I agree with you on the b12 and we do have a lot of crazy games. The best game of the week imo was the Carolina LSU game. Carolina got hosed by the refs. They had a horse collar call when their d grabbed the jersey and they had a pick 6 called back bc their D bumped into the LSU qb. Carolina is actually a decent team this year and I would love for them to knock off Mizz, Ole MIss or Aggy in Cola. Tenn vs sooners should be a pretty fun game next weekend. Also, Arky Auburn will tell us a little more about the middle of the SEC. That game should also be decent.

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