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I think it's funny that TCU won 13 games (two more than Ole Miss has ever won) and reached the national title game in 2022, and we still have people here who would say that wasn't really a good team.

And now we have Ole Miss and Missouri, who have four 10-win seasons between them in the last decade, and we're supposed to bow down and kiss the ring because SEC! SEC!

If you want an example of how and why college football is broken, that's it in a nutshell. We have people who are wrong literally all the time making guarantees about who would beat who in games that should be but are never played. And the ones that aren't played don't have any impact whatsoever on national perception.

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When 5 different SEC teams have been good enough to win a championship in the last 20 years, many good SEC programs are going to have 2-3 losses per year at a minimum. The league beats up on itself. Ole Miss has been average to really good but never elite on the scale of Bama, Georgia, or LSU. Neither has any other team in the country.

I believe this year's Ole Miss team is their best. They will still likely have a couple of losses, but there's nothing wrong with speculating how they might do in another conference.

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The fact that Ole Miss has never even sniffed one of those championships should tell you something. They've never even played for one -- even in the rare years they beat Alabama.

That program isn't what you guys are trying to sell them as. And they've played absolutely no one this year. We'll see how good they are in SEC play. Until then, they have the same burden of proof that every other non-SEC team in America has.

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I'm not talking about the past. While they've been good enough to be top 10 a few years . . . definitely not good enough to emerge out of the SEC for a chance at a championship.

They apparently did really well in the portal this last offseason. With their portal success and key ingredients coming back from last year's 11-2 team, they could be a playoff contender.

They had a similar trajectory to Texas over the last 20 years, and Texas finally emerged last year.

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Your last sentence is why history matters. Texas' program ceiling is so much higher than Ole Miss' it's not funny. When you ignore Ole Miss' history, you start to fool yourself into believing they're something they've never been and are not currently.

On the rare occasions they get their **** together, Texas is a legitimate national title contender. They've proved it under three different coaches in my lifetime. Ole Miss is at the pinnacle of its existence and still can't even get into an SEC championship game, much less win one.

This could well be their best team in history. But the burden of proof is on them to display that. Until they do, they're still Ole Miss.

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No question, they have to prove it, and they certainly don't have the same tradition as Texas. But with all of its tradition, Texas rarely even won its own conference. Whoever won the big 12 was guaranteed a beat down at the national level … often at the hands of whichever SEC team made the playoffs. But since Vince Young left, I think Ole Miss has been consistently better than Texas until last year.

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The difference is we (non-UT Big 12 fans) made Texas go win a conference championship and make a playoff before we started buying into the "Texas is back" hype. They had a burden of proof to reach and did, so they've earned more benefit of doubt this season. Ole Miss has literally never earned that benefit of doubt.

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Ole miss may very well make it to the SEC champ game this year but they will have to beat UGA,OU and LSU among others. NIght game in Baton Rouge will be pretty tough.

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And if they do, I'll congratulate them and say I was wrong. But the burden of proof is on them.

Well, we have Georgia at Bama next weekend so we are going to find out who's at the top next to Texas. Bama got right this week when they smashed Wisconsin.

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Our 19 team got handled by Georgias backups….your hatred for Ole Miss is weird. Not 1 person has said they'll win the title this year so I only claimed they would run through the B12 this year and I stand by that

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Our 19 team gave up 26 points and 380 yards (5.4 yards per play) to a 12-2 Georgia team with Fromm and Pickens on the field and Zamir White, a fourth-round NFL pick who went on to be one of Georgia's featured guys the next two seasons, at running back.

We were overwhelmed offensively by Georgia's talent, but that Baylor defense was better than anything Ole Miss has ever put on the field.

Again we played GAs JV team. Sure they had a few starters play (Swift their best player sat out) had Georgia had their full array of players they could have named the score. We were never in that game. But if we're gonna hype up our 19 squad for hanging around with Georgias JV team than so be it.

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Again we played GAs JV team. Sure they had a few starters play (Swift their best player sat out) had Georgia had their full array of players they could have named the score. We were never in that game. But if we're gonna hype up our 19 squad for hanging around with Georgias JV team than so be it.

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They had more than a few starters play. And they had a bunch of future NFL draft picks on the field behind the guys that didn't. Your hatred for Baylor and insistence on downplaying our every achievement is what's weird.

That 2019 defense was an elite unit that put several players in the NFL. There wasn't a team in America that could name its score against that group.

That you're ****ting on that team to fluff Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss is pretty telling, honestly.

You're trying to downplay Ole Miss for getting whipped by 23 GA while propping up BU getting handled by 19 GA down a good 6-8 starters who opted out. Q19 GA wasn't near as good as last years squad either.
You know damm well I have zero hatred for BU. I'm not ****ting on anything! 2019 Bu was great! They still got whipped by a GA team playing a **** ton of back ups. That's a fact.
What's telling here is that nothing Ole Miss does is going to impress you. HOWEVER… BU getting dominated by GA is impressive to you

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I think it's funny that TCU won 13 games (two more than Ole Miss has ever won) and reached the national title game in 2022, and we still have people here who would say that wasn't really a good team.

And now we have Ole Miss and Missouri, who have four 10-win seasons between them in the last decade, and we're supposed to bow down and kiss the ring because SEC! SEC!

If you want an example of how and why college football is broken, that's it in a nutshell. We have people who are wrong literally all the time making guarantees about who would beat who in games that should be but are never played. And the ones that aren't played don't have any impact whatsoever on national perception.

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When 5 different SEC teams have been good enough to win a championship in the last 20 years, many good SEC programs are going to have 2-3 losses per year at a minimum. The league beats up on itself. Ole Miss has been average to really good but never elite on the scale of Bama, Georgia, or LSU. Neither has any other team in the country.

I believe this year's Ole Miss team is their best. They will still likely have a couple of losses, but there's nothing wrong with speculating how they might do in another conference.

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The fact that Ole Miss has never even sniffed one of those championships should tell you something. They've never even played for one -- even in the rare years they beat Alabama.

That program isn't what you guys are trying to sell them as. And they've played absolutely no one this year. We'll see how good they are in SEC play. Until then, they have the same burden of proof that every other non-SEC team in America has.

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I'm not talking about the past. While they've been good enough to be top 10 a few years . . . definitely not good enough to emerge out of the SEC for a chance at a championship.

They apparently did really well in the portal this last offseason. With their portal success and key ingredients coming back from last year's 11-2 team, they could be a playoff contender.

They had a similar trajectory to Texas over the last 20 years, and Texas finally emerged last year.

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Your last sentence is why history matters. Texas' program ceiling is so much higher than Ole Miss' it's not funny. When you ignore Ole Miss' history, you start to fool yourself into believing they're something they've never been and are not currently.

On the rare occasions they get their **** together, Texas is a legitimate national title contender. They've proved it under three different coaches in my lifetime. Ole Miss is at the pinnacle of its existence and still can't even get into an SEC championship game, much less win one.

This could well be their best team in history. But the burden of proof is on them to display that. Until they do, they're still Ole Miss.

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No question, they have to prove it, and they certainly don't have the same tradition as Texas. But with all of its tradition, Texas rarely even won its own conference. Whoever won the big 12 was guaranteed a beat down at the national level … often at the hands of whichever SEC team made the playoffs. But since Vince Young left, I think Ole Miss has been consistently better than Texas until last year.

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The difference is we (non-UT Big 12 fans) made Texas go win a conference championship and make a playoff before we started buying into the "Texas is back" hype. They had a burden of proof to reach and did, so they've earned more benefit of doubt this season. Ole Miss has literally never earned that benefit of doubt.

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Benefit of what doubt? I'm not saying Ole Miss is a Blue Blood program. I'm simply saying they could be a playoff contender this year. Last I checked, the new playoff format gives playoff births to the conference champs and then the highest 7 ranked teams which should roughly equate to the top 10-12 ranked teams. Ole Miss has proven in the past that they belong in that discussion (last year's team finished #9), and this year's team is no exception.

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You're trying to downplay Ole Miss for getting whipped by 23 GA while propping up BU getting handled by 19 GA down a good 6-8 starters who opted out. Q19 GA wasn't near as good as last years squad either.
You know damm well I have zero hatred for BU. I'm not ****ting on anything! 2019 Bu was great! They still got whipped by a GA team playing a **** ton of back ups. That's a fact.

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There is no world in which getting beat 26-14 is equal to losing 52-17 with your best team in history. A super talented Georgia team manhandled our offense. Our defense held up well the entire game against a bunch of future pros.

That you're trying to equate the two is ridiculous.

And the whole point of this thread is that you and a couple of others are trying to place Ole Miss in a strata they haven't even come close to reaching. Until they earn their way there, they deserve to be doubted.

I'm trying to place Ole Miss in territory they've never reached by saying they would run the B12? And are a serious playoff threat? You're a very insecure man if me thinking those 2 things gets your panties in a wad. No where has ANYONE said Old Miss is some elite blue blood. But they sure as **** have a good team (did last year too) better than anything our conference has

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I think it's funny that TCU won 13 games (two more than Ole Miss has ever won) and reached the national title game in 2022, and we still have people here who would say that wasn't really a good team.

And now we have Ole Miss and Missouri, who have four 10-win seasons between them in the last decade, and we're supposed to bow down and kiss the ring because SEC! SEC!

If you want an example of how and why college football is broken, that's it in a nutshell. We have people who are wrong literally all the time making guarantees about who would beat who in games that should be but are never played. And the ones that aren't played don't have any impact whatsoever on national perception.

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When 5 different SEC teams have been good enough to win a championship in the last 20 years, many good SEC programs are going to have 2-3 losses per year at a minimum. The league beats up on itself. Ole Miss has been average to really good but never elite on the scale of Bama, Georgia, or LSU. Neither has any other team in the country.

I believe this year's Ole Miss team is their best. They will still likely have a couple of losses, but there's nothing wrong with speculating how they might do in another conference.

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The fact that Ole Miss has never even sniffed one of those championships should tell you something. They've never even played for one -- even in the rare years they beat Alabama.

That program isn't what you guys are trying to sell them as. And they've played absolutely no one this year. We'll see how good they are in SEC play. Until then, they have the same burden of proof that every other non-SEC team in America has.

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I'm not talking about the past. While they've been good enough to be top 10 a few years . . . definitely not good enough to emerge out of the SEC for a chance at a championship.

They apparently did really well in the portal this last offseason. With their portal success and key ingredients coming back from last year's 11-2 team, they could be a playoff contender.

They had a similar trajectory to Texas over the last 20 years, and Texas finally emerged last year.

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Your last sentence is why history matters. Texas' program ceiling is so much higher than Ole Miss' it's not funny. When you ignore Ole Miss' history, you start to fool yourself into believing they're something they've never been and are not currently.

On the rare occasions they get their **** together, Texas is a legitimate national title contender. They've proved it under three different coaches in my lifetime. Ole Miss is at the pinnacle of its existence and still can't even get into an SEC championship game, much less win one.

This could well be their best team in history. But the burden of proof is on them to display that. Until they do, they're still Ole Miss.

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No question, they have to prove it, and they certainly don't have the same tradition as Texas. But with all of its tradition, Texas rarely even won its own conference. Whoever won the big 12 was guaranteed a beat down at the national level … often at the hands of whichever SEC team made the playoffs. But since Vince Young left, I think Ole Miss has been consistently better than Texas until last year.

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The difference is we (non-UT Big 12 fans) made Texas go win a conference championship and make a playoff before we started buying into the "Texas is back" hype. They had a burden of proof to reach and did, so they've earned more benefit of doubt this season. Ole Miss has literally never earned that benefit of doubt.

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Benefit of what doubt? I'm not saying Ole Miss is a Blue Blood program. I'm simply saying they could be a playoff contender this year. Last I checked, the new playoff format gives playoff births to the conference champs and then the highest 7 ranked teams which should roughly equate to the top 10-12 ranked teams. Ole Miss has proven in the past that they belong in that discussion (last year's team finished #9), and this year's team is no exception.

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They could make an expanded playoff. A lot of teams could. But it should take more than three blowout wins over absolute dregs to declare them head and shoulders above the best teams in other leagues this season. That program hasn't done a damn thing to deserve that level of respect.

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The opinions I've shared DO have merit. The only things I've said is the SEC is head n shoulders better than the B12

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Perhaps you don't remember your own words. You declared that you decide which opinions have merit.

IowaBear said:

Different opinions are fine. When they have merit. These don't.


You also said the following, which several posters have disagreed with.

IowaBear said:

The SEC is far an away the best conference in CFB.


You speak in concrete terms, which is a fallacy in sports.

The SEC can have dominant programs such as Alabama and Georgia, but also have a patsie schedule and not be the best top to bottom. These concepts are not mutually exclusive, but your position makes them out to be.

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You're trying to downplay Ole Miss for getting whipped by 23 GA while propping up BU getting handled by 19 GA down a good 6-8 starters who opted out. Q19 GA wasn't near as good as last years squad either.
You know damm well I have zero hatred for BU. I'm not ****ting on anything! 2019 Bu was great! They still got whipped by a GA team playing a **** ton of back ups. That's a fact.

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There is no world in which getting beat 26-14 is equal to losing 52-17 with your best team in history. A super talented Georgia team manhandled our offense. Our defense held up well the entire game against a bunch of future pros.

That you're trying to equate the two is ridiculous.

And the whole point of this thread is that you and a couple of others are trying to place Ole Miss in a strata they haven't even come close to reaching. Until they earn their way there, they deserve to be doubted.

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You need to check your history books. Ole Miss has finished in the top 10 two out of the last 4 years. They are an absolute playoff contender this year even if they don't win the SEC.

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I'm trying to place Ole Miss in territory they've never reached by saying they would run the B12? And are a serious playoff threat? You're a very insecure man if me thinking those 2 things gets your panties in a wad. No where has ANYONE said Old Miss is some elite blue blood. But they sure as **** have a good team (did last year too) better than anything our conference has

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You can believe whatever you want. I'm telling you it's silly to make such definitive proclamations based on 12 quarters against dog**** football teams.

That's true of any team. It's especially true of an Ole Miss program that has an empty trophy case and a history of blowout losses against the best teams on its schedule every year.

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You're trying to downplay Ole Miss for getting whipped by 23 GA while propping up BU getting handled by 19 GA down a good 6-8 starters who opted out. Q19 GA wasn't near as good as last years squad either.
You know damm well I have zero hatred for BU. I'm not ****ting on anything! 2019 Bu was great! They still got whipped by a GA team playing a **** ton of back ups. That's a fact.

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There is no world in which getting beat 26-14 is equal to losing 52-17 with your best team in history. A super talented Georgia team manhandled our offense. Our defense held up well the entire game against a bunch of future pros.

That you're trying to equate the two is ridiculous.

And the whole point of this thread is that you and a couple of others are trying to place Ole Miss in a strata they haven't even come close to reaching. Until they earn their way there, they deserve to be doubted.

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You need to check your history books. Ole Miss has finished in the top 10 two out of the last 4 years. They are an absolute playoff contender this year even if they don't win the SEC.

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Top 12 four out of the last 11 years. Pretty impressive when you're playing Alabama and LSU every year.

The SEC IS far an away the best conference… is it not seriously?? Who on here believes any of the other conferences are better?
I e openly acknowledged the SEC has bad teams (every conference does) impossible to have only good teams. But year in and year out the SeC has the best teams and depth. The middle of their conference this year consist of LSU, Missouri, Tenn. those 3 would be at the top of every other confeeenxe aside maybe B12 with OSU and Oregon.
So I pose this 1 question to everyone on here. Which conference in CDmFB is the best in their opinion

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The opinions I've shared DO have merit. The only things I've said is the SEC is head n shoulders better than the B12

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Perhaps you don't remember your own words. You declared that you decide which opinions have merit.

IowaBear said:

Different opinions are fine. When they have merit. These don't.


You also said the following, which several posters have disagreed with.

IowaBear said:

The SEC is far an away the best conference in CFB.


You speak in absolutes, which is a fallacy in sports.

The SEC can have dominant programs such as Alabama and Georgia, but also have a patsie schedule and not be the best top to bottom. These concepts are not mutually exclusive, but your absolutism makes them out to be.

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Thats just not true though. The two best teams in our conference just joined the SEC that already had the best programs. This patsy schedule stuff is just foolish. I wouldnt call Texas' schedule patsy bc they played MIch. OU played UH and Tulane and those arent exactly patsys. Bama just played Wisconsin, is that a patsy?

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You're trying to downplay Ole Miss for getting whipped by 23 GA while propping up BU getting handled by 19 GA down a good 6-8 starters who opted out. Q19 GA wasn't near as good as last years squad either.
You know damm well I have zero hatred for BU. I'm not ****ting on anything! 2019 Bu was great! They still got whipped by a GA team playing a **** ton of back ups. That's a fact.

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There is no world in which getting beat 26-14 is equal to losing 52-17 with your best team in history. A super talented Georgia team manhandled our offense. Our defense held up well the entire game against a bunch of future pros.

That you're trying to equate the two is ridiculous.

And the whole point of this thread is that you and a couple of others are trying to place Ole Miss in a strata they haven't even come close to reaching. Until they earn their way there, they deserve to be doubted.

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You need to check your history books. Ole Miss has finished in the top 10 two out of the last 4 years. They are an absolute playoff contender this year even if they don't win the SEC.

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I didn't disagree with that. What I disagreed with is placing them head and shoulders above the best teams in other leagues -- something they've never been in their history -- based on a few blowout wins over garbage.

Like everyone else in college football, they should have to prove they're as good as you guys believe them to be.

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You're trying to downplay Ole Miss for getting whipped by 23 GA while propping up BU getting handled by 19 GA down a good 6-8 starters who opted out. Q19 GA wasn't near as good as last years squad either.
You know damm well I have zero hatred for BU. I'm not ****ting on anything! 2019 Bu was great! They still got whipped by a GA team playing a **** ton of back ups. That's a fact.

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There is no world in which getting beat 26-14 is equal to losing 52-17 with your best team in history. A super talented Georgia team manhandled our offense. Our defense held up well the entire game against a bunch of future pros.

That you're trying to equate the two is ridiculous.

And the whole point of this thread is that you and a couple of others are trying to place Ole Miss in a strata they haven't even come close to reaching. Until they earn their way there, they deserve to be doubted.

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You need to check your history books. Ole Miss has finished in the top 10 two out of the last 4 years. They are an absolute playoff contender this year even if they don't win the SEC.

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Top 12 four out of the last 11 years. Pretty impressive when you're playing Alabama and LSU every year.

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Ole Miss is also currently ranked higher than any other big 12 team by the industry this year. just because you refuse to accept it doesn't mean it's ridiculous for someone to have the opinion that they would win the big 12 this year.

Any opinion that differs from Bear2 is considered ridiculous. You can't think or believe a team is good unless Bear2 says that teams good. Ole Miss will need to go undefeated for him to give them a one once of credit. The moment they lose he will be on here blabbering about how they suck

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You're trying to downplay Ole Miss for getting whipped by 23 GA while propping up BU getting handled by 19 GA down a good 6-8 starters who opted out. Q19 GA wasn't near as good as last years squad either.
You know damm well I have zero hatred for BU. I'm not ****ting on anything! 2019 Bu was great! They still got whipped by a GA team playing a **** ton of back ups. That's a fact.

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There is no world in which getting beat 26-14 is equal to losing 52-17 with your best team in history. A super talented Georgia team manhandled our offense. Our defense held up well the entire game against a bunch of future pros.

That you're trying to equate the two is ridiculous.

And the whole point of this thread is that you and a couple of others are trying to place Ole Miss in a strata they haven't even come close to reaching. Until they earn their way there, they deserve to be doubted.

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You need to check your history books. Ole Miss has finished in the top 10 two out of the last 4 years. They are an absolute playoff contender this year even if they don't win the SEC.

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You need to check yours. Ole Miss has one top-10 finish in that span and two since 1970. They finished ninth last year and 10th in 2015. Their best finish between those was No. 11 in 2021.

They've had a good, solid program since Orgeron. But there are four current Big 12 programs with similar highs over the past 15 years.

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Any opinion that differs from Bear2 is considered ridiculous. You can't think or believe a team is good unless Bear2 says that teams good. Ole Miss will need to go undefeated for him to give them a one once of credit. The moment they lose he will be on here blabbering about how they suck

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Ole MIss may need to enjoy this run while it lasts bc if Florida calls Lane he's moving to Gainesville and Ole MIss will be back where bear2 says they are.

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Any opinion that differs from Bear2 is considered ridiculous. You can't think or believe a team is good unless Bear2 says that teams good. Ole Miss will need to go undefeated for him to give them a one once of credit. The moment they lose he will be on here blabbering about how they suck

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Ole Miss is good. No one has disputed that. It's the definitive nonsense in comparison to teams they haven't and likely won't play that is ridiculous. As is the dismissal of actual results on the occasions Ole Miss has played those teams.

Off topic but I'm interested in who FL will target when Napier gets let go

Was Penn St not a good team just last year!!? Or does that not count in your eyes?

Meaningless factoid:

Ole Miss has never won or played for a conference championship with a black player on their roster.

muddybrazos said:

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IowaBear said:

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The opinions I've shared DO have merit. The only things I've said is the SEC is head n shoulders better than the B12

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Perhaps you don't remember your own words. You declared that you decide which opinions have merit.

IowaBear said:

Different opinions are fine. When they have merit. These don't.


You also said the following, which several posters have disagreed with.

IowaBear said:

The SEC is far an away the best conference in CFB.


You speak in absolutes, which is a fallacy in sports.

The SEC can have dominant programs such as Alabama and Georgia, but also have a patsie OOC schedule and not be the best top to bottom. These concepts are not mutually exclusive, but your absolutism makes them out to be.

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Thats just not true though. The two best teams in our conference just joined the SEC that already had the best programs.

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Yes it is true. The SEC plays 64 non conference games now, with 80-90% of those being patsies.

The SEC doesn't have (all of) the best programs.
There wasn't an SEC team in last years title game, was there?

B12 plays 48 OOC games now right? How many are patsies ? Same amount perhaps.
You're right the SEC doesn't have all of the elite programs. The B10 has the other 2. Would include the ACC but FSU fell off a cliff and Clemson has dipped a bit although still a top 12 team imo

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Was Penn St not a good team just last year!!? Or does that not count in your eyes?

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Post-Paterno Penn State is a lot like Ole Miss, actually. They're good. But they also get beat -- and often hammered -- on most of the occasions they play one of the elite programs in their conference.

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Again we played GAs JV team. Sure they had a few starters play (Swift their best player sat out) had Georgia had their full array of players they could have named the score. We were never in that game. But if we're gonna hype up our 19 squad for hanging around with Georgias JV team than so be it.

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I can't think of a Baylor fan that would go out of their way to minimize the accomplishments of one of the better teams we've had in the last 8-10 years by repeatedly calling our opponent a JV team.

If this was the old BF site, you'd be negged into oblivion.

Perhaps you would feel more comfortable hanging out at secrant, over there ------------->

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Zero idea why our posters dog on all the SEC teams schedules when our schedule looks like a High School JV schedule. The entire B12 is crap as a whole.

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It's probably because the big 12 doesn't self proclaim to be the mightiest league or something. I still think the big 12 is just a bunch of "other teams" and quite frankly, boring to watch outside of Baylor, and i definitely wouldn't watch Baylor if I wasn't raised a fan. The big 12 might be the most "competitive" league within itself but I don't care to watch mid/bad football vs mid/bad football.

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Anyone who could watch the UCF-TCU game and say it was boring isn't a college football fan. And the Big 12 has multiple games like that every week.

People can say whatever they want about the quality of the Big 12 compared to the SEC, and I'll generally agree with them. But I'll push back against anyone who questions the league's entertainment value compared the P2.

The SEC is one blowout after another and the Big Ten is boring as *****

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I'm actually looking forward to the new B 12. No one is head and shoulders above anyone else. I love the automatic bid too - a handful of teams should have a chance at making the playoffs every year.

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I'm not kidding when I say that I will watch the new PAC more than I will the SEC and Big Ten, and it's not some sort of statement. I'm not bitter about anything, I just don't find the P2 leagues interesting.

I watch college football the same way I do the NCAA basketball tournament -- Baylor first, Big 12 second, and then I prioritize upsets and competitive games in my channel surfing after that. The SEC doesn't have very many upsets and the fewest close games of any major league and the Big Ten is just horribly boring football.

I love the Big 12. And I expect to love the new PAC for the same reason. Peer leagues full of similarly resourced and committed programs produce a lot of entertaining football games.

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Sometimes Big 10 games can be entertaining for how bad they can be. Iowa comes to mind there, especially the game a few years ago in which neither scored anything but safeties. I think it ended 6-2, vs SDSU maybe. I do enjoy the occasional game in which the Cyclones beat the Hawkeyes only because it's a Big 12 team beating a P2 team. Same with TCU v Michigan and any others that happen.

I also did enjoy Michigan beating Ohio State because they were the underdog in a rivalry game. It's like when Auburn beats Bama. 2013 was the best, with its wild ending.

I'm not minimizing anything… I'm as proud as anyone of that team and Rhule. Was only pointing out just how talented the SEC is. One of BUs best teams and the B12s 2nd best team that year got handled by a team down to a if starters. Quit making that post more than that.

7-3 was that final score of that game. Iowa had 2 safeties and a FG

I lot of mediocre teams were better than Texas over the past 15-20 years. Their record in those years proved this. Most of the SEC & Big 10 are pretty mediocre or even poor every year. Every once & awhile, one will have a good season and maybe beat one of the top teams or finish with a good record. But only a few teams do that year in and year out. It will be very interesting to see if Bama can continue doing that without Saban.

Right. Thanks for the correction. It was fun to watch, however, because it was so bizarre.

Will LSU be what it used to be? No one knows.