Is Sawyer now our starting QB?

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boognish_bear
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The obvious answer should be "yes"....I'll be curious to see the depth chart if Finn is healthy this week.







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BigGameBaylorBear
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He needs to be. He's a leader and his players love him. Let Finn get some snaps as well, he's a very talented back up
Grumpy
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Sawyer Robertson seems to show maturity and can read defenses better than Finn, from my limited observation of the two of them. He also has a good arm. It seems that his teammates play with a better spirit when he is leading them. He may not be quite as fast as Finn, but as we saw last night he is fast enough. Let's stay with him. (I'm quite sure the coaches are reading this and want my personal advice!)
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I'm sure Finn has won some battles. In practice….. when no one is allowed to tackle him. Technique matters, and Finn just doesn't seem to throw with touch or accuracy when he is being pressured, and that's quite often with this offensive line. Are you going to go with the quarterback that looks better in practice, or the one that looks better in actual games? I think Finn could be effective with a lot of designed runs and gimmick passes against crappy defenses, but I think Sawyer is a better long-term option

I also like that Sawyer will stand in the pocket and make passes. Finn is one of those guys that starts scrambling when he doesn't need to because it's what he's comfortable doing playing in the MAC when no one has been remotely fast enough to get to him. It's simply not the case in the big 12 with our offensive line
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I can only imagine the straw man battles that Dave has concocted that have been won and lost by saw and DF
Jorkel
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I hope Sawyer gets the nod going forward. He throws on time and on target with some anticipation. Which happened to open up the run game…imagine that! I don't even want Finn coming in for any type of packages. He is more likely to throw the ball in the ground or the other team. Wouldn't even want him as a 3rd down or goal line QB.
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Jorkel said:

I hope Sawyer gets the nod going forward. He throws on time and on target with some anticipation. Which happened to open up the run game…imagine that! I don't even want Finn coming in for any type of packages. He is more likely to throw the ball in the ground or the other team. Wouldn't even want him as a 3rd down or goal line QB.



The fact that we apparently gave him six figures to be our starter for two non-conference games…..just astonishing. That money should have to come out of Dave's or Mack's pocket if they decide to keep Dave after this year.
BluesBear
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If Finn runs on Folsom Field for our first rep - DA and Mack need to be fired on the spot.

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BluesBear said:

If Finn runs on Folsom Field for our first rep - DA and Mack need to be fired on the spot.




This ^.

It's absurdly clear that Sawyer is the better QB that gives us a chance to win.

Finn might be better than he has shown but the current sample size shows he is inaccurate and slow to process.

We have to win. Robertson has earned it. It's an easy decision but I don't trust Aranda to make easy decisions.

vanillabryce
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$1M in NIL is a sunk cost; water under the bridge.

Anyone who knows just a little bit about football can tell that Finn is not on the same level of Robertson. My hot take: Aranda and co spent the NIL cash and had to see if their investment would pay off.

The pilot test is over. Sawyer is the dude. Not saying he's gonna win us 10 games, but he gives us the best chance to win.

Maybe we can have a package for Finn, but he lacks the vision, touch, and decision making to be our starter.
Jorkel
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vanillabryce said:

$1M in NIL is a sunk cost; water under the bridge.

Anyone who knows just a little bit about football can tell that Finn is not on the same level of Robertson. My hot take: Aranda and co spent the NIL cash and had to see if their investment would pay off.

The pilot test is over. Sawyer is the dude. Not saying he's gonna win us 10 games, but he gives us the best chance to win.

Maybe we can have a package for Finn, but he lacks the vision, touch, and decision making to be our starter.


I don't even think giving him a a short yardage package is even worth it. If Washington develops into a good all purpose back he will be more effective in tandem with Sawyer who can also pick up a first down with his legs than having Finn looking like a lost child
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Big Dave has a history of horrible decisions in regards to choosing starting QB's. I see no reason to doubt that he will once again make the wrong call.
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vanillabryce said:

$1M in NIL is a sunk cost; water under the bridge.

Anyone who knows just a little bit about football can tell that Finn is not on the same level of Robertson. My hot take: Aranda and co spent the NIL cash and had to see if their investment would pay off.

The pilot test is over. Sawyer is the dude. Not saying he's gonna win us 10 games, but he gives us the best chance to win.

Maybe we can have a package for Finn, but he lacks the vision, touch, and decision making to be our starter.
in the real world, you make that sort of "bet" and blow $1M (maybe 25% of your total NIL) and couldn't be so wrong on the decision....you get fired.

Anything less than 7 wins in this Conference should be walking papers. Period.
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Alf said:

Big Dave has a history of horrible decisions in regards to choosing starting QB's. I see no reason to doubt that he will once again make the wrong call.
Two words: Blake. Shapen.

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Jorkel said:

vanillabryce said:

$1M in NIL is a sunk cost; water under the bridge.

Anyone who knows just a little bit about football can tell that Finn is not on the same level of Robertson. My hot take: Aranda and co spent the NIL cash and had to see if their investment would pay off.

The pilot test is over. Sawyer is the dude. Not saying he's gonna win us 10 games, but he gives us the best chance to win.

Maybe we can have a package for Finn, but he lacks the vision, touch, and decision making to be our starter.


I don't even think giving him a a short yardage package is even worth it. If Washington develops into a good all purpose back he will be more effective in tandem with Sawyer who can also pick up a first down with his legs than having Finn looking like a lost child

Good point. Washington, to a large extent, minimizes the impact that Finn would have in short yard packages. Sure, Finn would likely break open a few long yard runs that Washington would not. But using Finn in certain packages might decrease the continuity of the offense overall. So it's not worth it.
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Alf said:

Big Dave has a history of horrible decisions in regards to choosing starting QB's. I see no reason to doubt that he will once again make the wrong call.

I like that Alf moniker. I have Sling and there is an entire channel devoted solely to Alf.
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Daveisabovereproach said:

Jorkel said:

I hope Sawyer gets the nod going forward. He throws on time and on target with some anticipation. Which happened to open up the run game…imagine that! I don't even want Finn coming in for any type of packages. He is more likely to throw the ball in the ground or the other team. Wouldn't even want him as a 3rd down or goal line QB.



The fact that we apparently gave him six figures to be our starter for two non-conference games…..just astonishing. That money should have to come out of Dave's or Mack's pocket if they decide to keep Dave after this year.
He may have been the only one we could get????? And I think everyone thought we needed to have more than just 2.
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blackie said:

Daveisabovereproach said:

Jorkel said:

I hope Sawyer gets the nod going forward. He throws on time and on target with some anticipation. Which happened to open up the run game…imagine that! I don't even want Finn coming in for any type of packages. He is more likely to throw the ball in the ground or the other team. Wouldn't even want him as a 3rd down or goal line QB.



The fact that we apparently gave him six figures to be our starter for two non-conference games…..just astonishing. That money should have to come out of Dave's or Mack's pocket if they decide to keep Dave after this year.
He may have been the only one we could get????? And I think everyone thought we needed to have more than just 2.


On paper, I think he probably was about the best quarterback we could get within our budget, but hindsight being 20/20, we probably should've used the money somewhere else and found another RJ Martinez somewhere for cheap
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Daveisabovereproach said:

blackie said:

Daveisabovereproach said:

Jorkel said:

I hope Sawyer gets the nod going forward. He throws on time and on target with some anticipation. Which happened to open up the run game…imagine that! I don't even want Finn coming in for any type of packages. He is more likely to throw the ball in the ground or the other team. Wouldn't even want him as a 3rd down or goal line QB.



The fact that we apparently gave him six figures to be our starter for two non-conference games…..just astonishing. That money should have to come out of Dave's or Mack's pocket if they decide to keep Dave after this year.
He may have been the only one we could get????? And I think everyone thought we needed to have more than just 2.


On paper, I think he probably was about the best quarterback we could get within our budget, but hindsight being 20/20, we probably should've used the money somewhere else and found another RJ Martinez somewhere for cheap
Yeah, hindsight is hardly ever wrong.
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Guitarbiscuit said:

Alf said:

Big Dave has a history of horrible decisions in regards to choosing starting QB's. I see no reason to doubt that he will once again make the wrong call.

I like that Alf moniker. I have Sling and there is an entire channel devoted solely to Alf.



As there should be. Sic 'em Sawyer!
Killing Floor
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One thing I know for certain is Sawyer started yesterday and Finn started the week before.

Let’s Go!
boognish_bear
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I'm not sure if this quote is a way of helping save some face for Finn… Or if it really is up in the air.

chukronos
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Keep Finn's arm in a sling and let him get a medical waiver so he can play next year somewhere else. Feel bad for the guy, but you could see in game 1 that sawyer was the better qb.
jikespingleton
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Are things as clear as people make them out to be?

Tom Sawyer looked good against a bad AF team

Huck Finn looked bad against a much better than AF, Utah team.
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Daveisabovereproach said:

Jorkel said:

I hope Sawyer gets the nod going forward. He throws on time and on target with some anticipation. Which happened to open up the run game…imagine that! I don't even want Finn coming in for any type of packages. He is more likely to throw the ball in the ground or the other team. Wouldn't even want him as a 3rd down or goal line QB.



The fact that we apparently gave him six figures to be our starter for two non-conference games…..just astonishing. That money should have to come out of Dave's or Mack's pocket if they decide to keep Dave after this year.


Nah, you can't have coaches afraid to make mistakes.
Main thing is that he consistently makes bad personnel decisions and it's because he's just not a good HEAD coach.


BearlyConscious
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Aside from the clear observation that Sawyer is a better passer, you can see that the guys have more energy and rally around him. Finn is more athletic, but his mechanics are not good. He's constantly throwing the ball off his back foot. Hopefully he improves.
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If anyone other than Sawyer Robertson steps on that field Saturday as the first BU QB to take a snap once the game starts then there should be a re-enactment of the September 29, 2013 incident at LA International involving Pat Haden and Lane Kiffin but this time involving Mack Rhoades and Dave Aranda and I guess in Denver.
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Jorkel
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jikespingleton said:

Are things as clear as people make them out to be?

Tom Sawyer looked good against a bad AF team

Huck Finn looked bad against a much better than AF, Utah team.



Finn also looked pretty bad running a vanilla offense against…Tarleton
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From what I saw the other night, and even more so in the replay, Sawyer Robertson is going to be a starting QB in a P5 program for a full year and maybe two. I hope it will be at Baylor.
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BluesBear said:

If Finn runs on Folsom Field for our first rep - DA and Mack need to be fired on the spot.




I wish I could add more stars to this post.

With that said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Dave starts Finn. He has a history of poorly managing the QB position.
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boognish_bear said:

I'm not sure if this quote is a way of helping save some face for Finn… Or if it really is up in the air.




I think it's more up in the air than we all think.

Most of the coaches interviewed on the Live show today suggested that one good game from QB2 isn't enough to usurp a QB1. And that if a QB1 was chosen at the beginning of the season, there was a reason (presumably a lack of confidence in the OL's ability to pass protect and for his legs).

Who knows. Maybe Finn is a solid leader behind the scenes and kills it during practice but gets the jitters.
boognish_bear
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If I'm Aranda and I feel like my job is in jeopardy the QB decision is a pretty easy choice right now.
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