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A new $40 million high school stadium in Stephenville, Texas, will honor former coach Art Briles. He won state titles at Stephenville but was fired from Baylor in ‘16 after a sexual assault scandal within the football program. https://t.co/xzaESdyU8B pic.twitter.com/MAxif9TDmK
— Ben Baby (@Ben_Baby) November 2, 2024
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nobody knows what they would do in a given situation when the rug is pulled out from underneath you.
If it is "somewhere in the middle" then scouring text messages may have found something that BU would stretch into "with cause" and he get nothing. You're suggesting he should have made an all or nothing decision. That's stupid when you're talking about generational money.
Yeah, this. I've had the rug pulled out twice, and both times I fought. But no one offered me $15 million to settle either.
The terms of that buyout and what he could say and do after the buyout are what's important. He took the buyout and agreed to things that kept him from properly defending himself.Robert Wilson said:What you said is utter nonsense. Do you know how contracts work?contrario said:He knew was he was agreeing to. It isn't like the criticism of Briles started after he took the money. He was facing major heat before taking the money. He took the money because he saw what was in the report and more importantly, he knew the facts surrounding his program. I've said this many times, you don't take hush money if you are innocent or even close to innocent. He was in his prime coaching years and he could have easily earned the hush money back in just a few years. You don't exchange your reputation for any sum on money and if he honestly thought he would just jump back into coaching, he needs to get better advisors around him or he needs to learn to read the room better.Robert Wilson said:
Briles did not know the $18M was in exchange for his career. It's obvious he thought he could move on in coaching. He tried, but the social media lynch mob cowed the potential employers each time, assisted by the smear job our own regents executed with the WSJ.
I don't think Briles was a choir boy by any stretch. But I think he and the program could've been saved and the university would've suffered way less PR damage if our board had handled this competently.
They fired him and paid him his entire buyout. (Why would they do that?) What was he supposed to then do, give the money back?
And if you paid any attention after that, it was clear he thought this would blow over and he would get another job.
If I was in a position to be offered $15 million, that means I'm a high earner and have the potential to make a lot of money in the future. If I was innocent, I would be certain that the terms of that buyout were acceptable, or I would immediately sue for wrongful termination and fight to keep my good name.Ghostrider said:So if your company was coming down on you and offered you 15mm or more to go away, you would say no, I am going to fight it and risk getting nothing? That would be a pretty dumb move.contrario said:On the flip side, if Briles didn't do anything wrong, he wouldn't have accepted $15 million in exchange for tarnishing his name. He would have easily made $15 million in about 3 years while coaching at the college level and now he can't even get a job with a minor league team.chorne68 said:
He was paid $15,000,000 to be the scapegoat of our Board of Regents. If he had done anything wrong, he would not have been paid a cent. This move by the university was and will always be the biggest mistake ever made. He should have a statue in the stadium that he and RGIII built.
It's pretty remarkable how binary some people think about this. Some people are in the boat that it's all Briles fault and some are in the boat that it's all the BoR's fault, but the reality is that it was somewhere in the middle. There were things happening with Briles that we would have been critical of if he was the coach of UT or aggy, And there were things that the BoR was letting happen and pretending wasn't happening in the hopes of ignoring the problems would make them go away. The bottom line is Briles was in charge of the program that brought all of this to light. If it was the basketball program, then Drew would have been let go. If it was the WBB program, then Mulkey would have been let go. But it was the football program. He let things get out of hand. And yes, part of it was the policy that Baylor/BoR had in place, but Briles was a willing participant.
I understand the frustration and lack of accountability with the BoR with the whole situation, but that's the reason we have boards. Unless there is specific wrong-doing by a specific BoR member, it is not very common for members of a board to be individually attacked in these situations.
If, your name is the only thing worth the battle. Now, throw in your son's future career, your son-in-law's future career, and the future career of several loyal friends and it may be different.contrario said:If I was in a position to be offered $15 million, that means I'm a high earner and have the potential to make a lot of money in the future. If I was innocent, I would be certain that the terms of that buyout were acceptable, or I would immediately sue for wrongful termination and fight to keep my good name.Ghostrider said:So if your company was coming down on you and offered you 15mm or more to go away, you would say no, I am going to fight it and risk getting nothing? That would be a pretty dumb move.contrario said:On the flip side, if Briles didn't do anything wrong, he wouldn't have accepted $15 million in exchange for tarnishing his name. He would have easily made $15 million in about 3 years while coaching at the college level and now he can't even get a job with a minor league team.chorne68 said:
He was paid $15,000,000 to be the scapegoat of our Board of Regents. If he had done anything wrong, he would not have been paid a cent. This move by the university was and will always be the biggest mistake ever made. He should have a statue in the stadium that he and RGIII built.
It's pretty remarkable how binary some people think about this. Some people are in the boat that it's all Briles fault and some are in the boat that it's all the BoR's fault, but the reality is that it was somewhere in the middle. There were things happening with Briles that we would have been critical of if he was the coach of UT or aggy, And there were things that the BoR was letting happen and pretending wasn't happening in the hopes of ignoring the problems would make them go away. The bottom line is Briles was in charge of the program that brought all of this to light. If it was the basketball program, then Drew would have been let go. If it was the WBB program, then Mulkey would have been let go. But it was the football program. He let things get out of hand. And yes, part of it was the policy that Baylor/BoR had in place, but Briles was a willing participant.
I understand the frustration and lack of accountability with the BoR with the whole situation, but that's the reason we have boards. Unless there is specific wrong-doing by a specific BoR member, it is not very common for members of a board to be individually attacked in these situations.
Things are seldom as simple as you'd have is believe.
How would Art clearing his name do anything but help Kendal and Lebby? Unless doing so would somehow implicate them further, this doesn't make any sense whatsoever.LIB,MR BEARS said:If, your name is the only thing worth the battle. Now, throw in your son's future career, your son-in-law's future career, and the future career of several loyal friends and it may be different.contrario said:If I was in a position to be offered $15 million, that means I'm a high earner and have the potential to make a lot of money in the future. If I was innocent, I would be certain that the terms of that buyout were acceptable, or I would immediately sue for wrongful termination and fight to keep my good name.Ghostrider said:So if your company was coming down on you and offered you 15mm or more to go away, you would say no, I am going to fight it and risk getting nothing? That would be a pretty dumb move.contrario said:On the flip side, if Briles didn't do anything wrong, he wouldn't have accepted $15 million in exchange for tarnishing his name. He would have easily made $15 million in about 3 years while coaching at the college level and now he can't even get a job with a minor league team.chorne68 said:
He was paid $15,000,000 to be the scapegoat of our Board of Regents. If he had done anything wrong, he would not have been paid a cent. This move by the university was and will always be the biggest mistake ever made. He should have a statue in the stadium that he and RGIII built.
It's pretty remarkable how binary some people think about this. Some people are in the boat that it's all Briles fault and some are in the boat that it's all the BoR's fault, but the reality is that it was somewhere in the middle. There were things happening with Briles that we would have been critical of if he was the coach of UT or aggy, And there were things that the BoR was letting happen and pretending wasn't happening in the hopes of ignoring the problems would make them go away. The bottom line is Briles was in charge of the program that brought all of this to light. If it was the basketball program, then Drew would have been let go. If it was the WBB program, then Mulkey would have been let go. But it was the football program. He let things get out of hand. And yes, part of it was the policy that Baylor/BoR had in place, but Briles was a willing participant.
I understand the frustration and lack of accountability with the BoR with the whole situation, but that's the reason we have boards. Unless there is specific wrong-doing by a specific BoR member, it is not very common for members of a board to be individually attacked in these situations.
Things are seldom as simple as you'd have is believe.
The most logical conclusion is that all involved had skeletons they didn't want unearthed. And the best way to keep them buried was silence. Art just wasn't bright enough to realize silence would end his career.
Art Briles & Phil Bennett will attend the '13-'14 reunion of their Baylor team on Sat @GeorgesWaco.
— Mac Engel (@MacEngelProf) October 31, 2024
No coach from that team was invited by the school for the university-run part of the reunion.
BU painted itself into this corner & it's staying there.https://t.co/NAf9A25ayr
There is only 1 reason Baylor is excluding Art Briles & his staff from a 10-year reunion
By Mac Engel
Updated October 31, 2024 4:50 PM
In a request for comment, or clarification, Baylor University did not specify why the coaches from the 2013 and 2014 Big 12 title teams were not invited to participate in the team's reunion scheduled for this weekend.
On this complicated issue, the school, and at the time its fractured leadership, painted itself into a corner. That's where it sits today.
The school invited the players from the '13 and '14 teams to run onto the field with the current students in the tradition of the Baylor Line before its game against TCU at McLane Stadium on Saturday night in Waco. Excluded from the guest list were members of the coaching staff, specifically head coach Art Briles.
Three members of that staff will already be there; TCU assistant coaches Kendal Briles, Carlton Buckels, and performance coach Kaz Kazadi were on staff at Baylor during those seasons.
The players themselves organized a reunion scheduled for Saturday afternoon at the Waco restaurant George's, and invited Briles and the defensive coordinator from that team, Phil Bennett, among others. Both Briles and Bennett confirmed they plan to attend the reunion.
"Those guys have worked hard to make this happen and I would not miss it for the world," Bennett said in a text.
"Pumped to see the players," Briles said.
The school is trying to have it both ways, because it can. TCU did it last week with its reunion of its 2014 team, which was given a tailgate but not an appearance on the field.
Ultimately, the legacy of those Baylor teams, and that era, is that they changed the trajectory of the school, college football, and unintentionally became a part of the #MeToo movement. For better. For worse.
Why the Baylor coaches are not part of the reunion
On the surface, the way this looks is similar to Texas A&M's relationship with former head coach Jackie Sherrill, who was fired after the 1988 season in the wake of NCAA violations. After many years, Sherrill was invited back, and inducted into A&M's Hall of Fame in 2007.
The same thing happened at Ohio State when football coach Jim Tressel resigned in 2011 over NCAA violations. After some time passed, he was invited back to participate in official university functions and celebrations of his 2002 national title team.
Beneath the surface of this non-invite at Baylor, this one may need more than 10 years. Or 100. This remains a source of deep disagreement in the Baylor community.
There remain bitter feelings from members of that coaching staff at the university for its direction, and decisions, surrounding the flood of sexual assault allegations that popped up after Texas Monthly published a story over Baylor defensive end Sam Ukwuachu's case, in 2015.
The university wants no part of the discussion that would come with this part of a reunion. There were so many contradictions throughout this process that to re-visit it, from the school's perspective, has no benefit today. Maybe tomorrow. More like lots of tomorrows.
With years of hindsight as a tool, all mistakes, and nuances, are visible.
In a two-hour conversation with one high-ranking member of the Baylor Board of Regents, the person painted an accurate picture of that time: "We panicked," he said. "We didn't handle it right." And, "I didn't want to fire (head coach) Art Briles because I didn't believe it was the right thing to do, but I supported the decision to do it."
It was the calculated decision on the part of some high ranking Baylor board members to go out of their way to label Briles as the sole guilty party, thus ending his career, remains a point of division within that community. It's fading, but the line is still visible.
The legacy of 'those' Baylor teams
As part of his $15.1 million settlement with Baylor, which effectively includes financial penalties if Briles publicly trashes the school, he has never delved into the details of his exit beyond a few sentences. Those close to him wanted him to go public with his version of events, but he has elected to remain quiet.
One of the reasons was to ensure that nothing would get in the way of his son, and son-in-law, continuing their respective coaching careers. He regularly visits Kendal at TCU, and his family in Fort Worth. Briles' son-in-law, Jeff Lebby, is in his first season as the head coach at Mississippi State.
"When I personally look back, I think about all the good that was able to be accomplished. I think about the amount of family and friends that we were able to do so much in our in our time there," Lebby said Wednesday on the SEC coaches conference call. "From the standpoint of being able to work for, and with, the people that are incredibly close to me, and will continue to draw from that experience."
The teams that Baylor will celebrate this weekend were the foundation to a positive growth spurt of the university; the culmination of many years worth of investments to see a result that everyone associated with the school yearned to experience. Along with the wins came a spike in exposure, donations, applications, and campus improvements.
To suggest they were done via a "rape culture" in the football program is to parrot a lawyer looking for a bag of cash from an vulnerable target.
Those teams were also part of Baylor's darkest days, and forced a painful growth spurt regarding acknowledging, handling and reporting of sexual assaults as well as Title IX violations. Baylor's realities forced a lot of athletic departments, and football coaching staffs, across the nation to improve the way they conducted themselves.
There were real victims in this, whose cries were either minimized, or ignored. The primary concern of any parent who sends their kid to college isn't a degree but safety; in these instances, their safety and mental well being were not prioritized to the necessary level.
It's been 10 years since Baylor football won a share of its second straight Big 12 title, and the school will celebrate both the players and their achievements. To invite the head coach and his staff is to invite a conversation it's not ready to have.
That's why Briles, Bennett and the rest will be at George's rather than McLane Stadium.
Mac Engel is such a piece of ***** He led the torch and pitchfork crew in 2015 and now he's trying to play the nuance card.
That guy ****ing sucks.
That guy ****ing sucks.
Wasn't Engel part of the vigilante press that broke the story along with Austin AS and Tx Monthly?
bear2be2 said:
Mac Engel is such a piece of ***** He led the torch and pitchfork crew in 2015 and now he's trying to play the other side.
That guy ****ing sucks.
I've never been able to figure out why he flipped
Because he's a spinless coward ... and a contrarian, by nature.boognish_bear said:I've never been able to figure out why he flippedbear2be2 said:
Mac Engel is such a piece of ***** He led the torch and pitchfork crew in 2015 and now he's trying to play the other side.
That guy ****ing sucks.
Once Baylor made the decisions it did, he could get more clicks by soft-supporting Briles and bashing Baylor's response.
There is really no bigger lard headed ass on this blog site than you, Thee. Congrats on setting the standard, and staying one step ahead of T-Rex in this ranking.Thee University said:
I've got a new description for all of the limp-wristed, pencil-necked, concave chested chief apologists that for 3,079 days have been in a deep state of depression.
CANDY LEG. You boys have a bad case of the candy leg. Normally men get a case of the candy leg when they are 12, 13 or 14 year old boys sweet on a female and are in a constant state of secreting bodily fluids dreaming of one day closing the deal.
Here, however, we have grown @$$ men who have developed a bad case of candy leg over a 3,079 day removed football coach. When it gets real bad sugar ants will build a trail up the pants leg of those suffering from this evil affliction. When it's bad you can trail a sufferer by following the sugar ant trail.
Candy leg.
Get some help boys!
clicksboognish_bear said:bear2be2 said:
Mac Engel is such a piece of ***** He led the torch and pitchfork crew in 2015 and now he's trying to play the other side.
That guy ****ing sucks.
I've never been able to figure out why he flipped
You think I care? This board is for fun and I continue to enjoy spanking idiots. By the way, I've never seen a single post from you. Watch out. I may have to name the Candy Leg Award after you.ZachTay said:There is really no bigger lard headed ass on this blog site than you, Thee. Congrats on setting the standard, and staying one step ahead of T-Rex in this ranking.Thee University said:
I've got a new description for all of the limp-wristed, pencil-necked, concave chested chief apologists that for 3,079 days have been in a deep state of depression.
CANDY LEG. You boys have a bad case of the candy leg. Normally men get a case of the candy leg when they are 12, 13 or 14 year old boys sweet on a female and are in a constant state of secreting bodily fluids dreaming of one day closing the deal.
Here, however, we have grown @$$ men who have developed a bad case of candy leg over a 3,079 day removed football coach. When it gets real bad sugar ants will build a trail up the pants leg of those suffering from this evil affliction. When it's bad you can trail a sufferer by following the sugar ant trail.
Candy leg.
Get some help boys!
"So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains And we never even know we have the key"
Let the games begin!
Dia del DougO said:They could at least make a silent gesture and all wear the classic green slouch cap in his honor.BellCountyBear said:
I would kind of like to see all the players invited decline out of protest for Briles.
And long sleeves.
and beat TcURussell Gym said:Dia del DougO said:They could at least make a silent gesture and all wear the classic green slouch cap in his honor.BellCountyBear said:
I would kind of like to see all the players invited decline out of protest for Briles.
And long sleeves.
An amazing celebration of Coach Briles at George’s 💚 pic.twitter.com/9q6pxbQMmY
— Jenny Kerr Chafin (@jkchafin) November 2, 2024
once the facts started coming out, many people flipped bc they saw Briles was the scapegoat.bear2be2 said:Because he's a spinless coward ... and a contrarian, by nature.boognish_bear said:I've never been able to figure out why he flippedbear2be2 said:
Mac Engel is such a piece of ***** He led the torch and pitchfork crew in 2015 and now he's trying to play the other side.
That guy ****ing sucks.
Once Baylor made the decisions it did, he could get more clicks by soft-supporting Briles and bashing Baylor's response.
contrario said:The terms of that buyout and what he could say and do after the buyout are what's important. He took the buyout and agreed to things that kept him from properly defending himself.Robert Wilson said:What you said is utter nonsense. Do you know how contracts work?contrario said:He knew was he was agreeing to. It isn't like the criticism of Briles started after he took the money. He was facing major heat before taking the money. He took the money because he saw what was in the report and more importantly, he knew the facts surrounding his program. I've said this many times, you don't take hush money if you are innocent or even close to innocent. He was in his prime coaching years and he could have easily earned the hush money back in just a few years. You don't exchange your reputation for any sum on money and if he honestly thought he would just jump back into coaching, he needs to get better advisors around him or he needs to learn to read the room better.Robert Wilson said:
Briles did not know the $18M was in exchange for his career. It's obvious he thought he could move on in coaching. He tried, but the social media lynch mob cowed the potential employers each time, assisted by the smear job our own regents executed with the WSJ.
I don't think Briles was a choir boy by any stretch. But I think he and the program could've been saved and the university would've suffered way less PR damage if our board had handled this competently.
They fired him and paid him his entire buyout. (Why would they do that?) What was he supposed to then do, give the money back?
And if you paid any attention after that, it was clear he thought this would blow over and he would get another job.
What, like a non-disparagement clause? That exists in every contract ever.
Pertinent question and as usual evasion by TheeMrGolfguy said:Thee University said:
I've got a new description for all of the limp-wristed, pencil-necked, concave chested chief apologists that for 3,079 days have been in a deep state of depression.
So are you going to be at McLane on Sat night to honor the Art Briles coached teams that won back2back Big12 Titles?
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