This is a sign that his reputation is bouncing back a bit. Plus, when you ignore controversy, people tend to ignore that controversy

Well at least we know where to read a cool story that doesn't let the truth get in the way.

There are still times when I wonder if CAB wasn't just the shiny bauble to distract attention from another target--Judge Starr.

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Let me be clear. I am simply reporting fact. I do not agree with their naming the stadium after him. He did much for Stephenville football but praise him as a coaching legend not paragon of virtue.

Well deserved. Now will cowardly BU follow their lead?

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Well deserved. Now will cowardly BU follow their lead?

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Let's hope not

Briles may have been some responsibility but some of the BOR
Should have had their careers and life ruined.
The University didn't have their Protocol in place and were cowards and blamed all on Briles.
Why would they have paid him a lot of money to leave when they had the ability to not pay if he was totally guilty!

Why have they

never been asked for them to clarify?

BOR spends other peoples money with no accountability!

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JP1037,

You are a conspiracy theorist. Thanks for the Trump remarks to confirm what I expected. If you think the board wanted to fire CAB, you have no idea what was going on in BU boardroom. That was the last thing that they wanted to do. Nothing to gain whatsoever. They did it as a reluctant necessity from the findings of CABs dumpster fire culture. Say whatever you wish as I will not respond again. Can't argue with fact deniers. CABs texts were all over the internet and never denied by him nor his lawyer. You don't tease about sexual assault. If that is what he was doing, I even think less of him.

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Art Briles and his attorney both said that his texts were taken out of context because only parts of the text chains were listed.

I had to go dig through the archives to find it but I posted this 6? years back and I stand by it today. To understand what happened at Baylor you need to understand the Baylor and Baptist culture and the power struggles that have occurred within the university going back to President Sloan. People simply can't believe Baylor would do what they did (the termination, the WSJ interview, everything) unless Briles was truly guilty. They don't know how dangerous certain power brokers can be when their power is threatened. Look at the BOR members who traveled out to do the WSJ hit piece. They LED the BOR and convinced them that termination was the only option. They had an agenda.

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I worked closely with several of Briles' players and I have had friends in Baylor's athletics admin (still do) since 2005-ish. I've had so many conversations with those folks regarding the entire debacle over the years and yet I have a completely different opinion or perspective compared to Goldmind or JBW.

Not all of the folks I know "loved" CAB as a coach but NONE of them felt that he was nefarious or even negligent. None. That even includes a couple players who played under Morris and Briles and borderline hated CAB. Nearly all of them believe that the BOR did what they did to cover their own butts, settle grudges, and get rid of Starr.

I've been called a CAB'er and a conspiracy theorist so many times... so carry-on if you must. The fact remains, the board tried to oust Starr 3 times previously and failed. Willis, Murff, and others were on a mission.

Willis' name adorns the equestrian arena. He's had family and friends on the equestrian team. That's the same equestrian team known (literally, ask anyone who attended or worked at Baylor between 2012 and 2017) to throw massive parties off campus that often involved alcohol, drugs, and sex. AND apparently Willis knew about it back in 2014 when he allegedly went off (using racially inappropriate and generally disparaging language) to explain how we got the "best [n-word] football players because we had the prettiest blond-haired and blue-eyed ****s".

Briles' text messages prove he tried to keep some inappropriate behavior out of the news or away from judicial affairs (not rape) but NOT that he shielded anyone from the police. Nothing happened in our program that wasn't happening already (before Briles). Nothing happened that isn't happening at schools across the country. That doesn't make it ok but you have to acknowledge it is/was a [University-wide] systemic and clutural failure. It also begs the question, if it was already happening then why did it blow up?

Starr was set up and Briles was collateral damage (or maybe a secondary target).

On the flip-side we've now done more than anyone out there to resolve the systemic and cultural failures that lead to sexual assault on our college campus. We got rid of Doak and RR. Our University is in a better place when it comes to the safety of our students. We just had to ruin one man to get there. Maybe the ends justify the means?

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He clearly covered up what he knew and did not protect the victims of the perpetrators.

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If that actually happened, he would have been charged with a third degree felony that can result in up to $10,000 in monetary damages and anywhere from 2 to 10 years in a state prison.

To meet the requirements of 'covering up', that would equate to him deleting the texts/correspondence and going out of his way to downplay or outright lie about his knowledge of the situation. He doesn't know if its hearsay, lies, truth etc. In fact, he would have put himself in legal jeopardy by kicking players off the team solely based on accusations and claims.

These were criminal claims and ONLY the police or government entity has the authority to handle this.

It was not his job to go to authorities. He made the information aware to higher ups and they did nothing. They're the ones who are required to report and handle it. That's why this was a school wide problem, not a football problem. All the higher ups and BOR got away with this by pinning all the blame on Briles and even innocent players.

The irony is that there's actually a bigger scandal and everyone who jumped on the 'It was Art Briles fault' bandwagon are the ones downplaying this.

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His texts were clear. And no, my phone would not make me look like I condemned sexually abused women for their own rape. Cant make this stuff up. He clearly covered up what he knew and did not protect the victims of the perpetrators. I saw it with my own eyes. Win at all cost even raping and violence

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I've read over the text messages multiple times when they were released years back. Unless I missed something (and I may have) I saw nothing related to sexual assault. What I did see for a few years were headlines of "sexual assault" pasted onto most articles, but little if any actual facts to corroborate those head lines.

What I did see in the text messages that were released, were not good. The staff and Briles appeared to shield players from plenty of stupid behaviors - weed, DUI, pulling out a pistol etc, but none of that is sexual assault.

If you have a link to a legit source that has those texts and those texts are specifically related to sexual assault, please provide them.

Asking for proof does not mean I'm a CAB supporter or apologist. What it does mean is that I'm interested in facts.

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There were no texts related to sexual assault

Chuckroast said:

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jikespingleton said:

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fredbear said:

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His texts were clear. And no, my phone would not make me look like I condemned sexually abused women for their own rape. Cant make this stuff up. He clearly covered up what he knew and did not protect the victims of the perpetrators. I saw it with my own eyes. Win at all cost even raping and violence

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I've read over the text messages multiple times when they were released years back. Unless I missed something (and I may have) I saw nothing related to sexual assault. What I did see for a few years were headlines of "sexual assault" pasted onto most articles, but little if any actual facts to corroborate those head lines.

What I did see in the text messages that were released, were not good. The staff and Briles appeared to shield players from plenty of stupid behaviors - weed, DUI, pulling out a pistol etc, but none of that is sexual assault.

If you have a link to a legit source that has those texts and those texts are specifically related to sexual assault, please provide them.

Asking for proof does not mean I'm a CAB supporter or apologist. What it does mean is that I'm interested in facts.

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There were no texts related to sexual assault

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Of course not.

It's been +8 years since this all broke. Unless new facts have been released and I missed them, I'm betting it is just the same BS narrative. Take some hard facts and real problems (DUI, weed, 1 scumbag player in Elliott, pistol brandishing etc) and throw a mountain of sexual assault claims on top of it and call it a day.

canoso said:

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There are still times when I wonder if CAB wasn't just the shiny bauble to distract attention from another target--Judge Starr.

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I think most people think that.

jikespingleton said:

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Chuckroast said:

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fredbear said:

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His texts were clear. And no, my phone would not make me look like I condemned sexually abused women for their own rape. Cant make this stuff up. He clearly covered up what he knew and did not protect the victims of the perpetrators. I saw it with my own eyes. Win at all cost even raping and violence

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I've read over the text messages multiple times when they were released years back. Unless I missed something (and I may have) I saw nothing related to sexual assault. What I did see for a few years were headlines of "sexual assault" pasted onto most articles, but little if any actual facts to corroborate those head lines.

What I did see in the text messages that were released, were not good. The staff and Briles appeared to shield players from plenty of stupid behaviors - weed, DUI, pulling out a pistol etc, but none of that is sexual assault.

If you have a link to a legit source that has those texts and those texts are specifically related to sexual assault, please provide them.

Asking for proof does not mean I'm a CAB supporter or apologist. What it does mean is that I'm interested in facts.

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There were no texts related to sexual assault

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Of course not.

It's been +8 years since this all broke. Unless new facts have been released and I missed them, I'm betting it is just the same BS narrative. Take some hard facts (DUI, weed, pistol brandishing) and throw sexual assault claims on top of it and call it a day.

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That's exactly what they did

So dishonest

"Christian" university