Can't tell much this early, but so far tough go at Nebraska. If Vanderbilt can be turned around, anyone can, but Nebraska seems to have lost its luster for a lonnnnng time with their coaching carousel. He certainly did a turn around at BU; give credit. But Nebraska May be a tougher task for reasons yet articulated by the media. Thoughts? Sometimes formally glorious helmet schools are buried in the deepest graves?
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fredbear said:
Can't tell much this early, but so far tough go at Nebraska. If Vanderbilt can be turned around, anyone can, but Nebraska seems to have lost its luster for a lonnnnng time with their coaching carousel. He certainly did a turn around at BU; give credit. But Nebraska May be a tougher task for reasons yet articulated by the media. Thoughts? Sometimes formally glorious helmet schools are buried in the deepest graves?
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Closing the "Partial-Qualifier" loophole ended Dr Tom's program. That guy was an enabler of the first order with a good marketing schtick. Networks loved him.fredbear said:
Can't tell much this early, but so far tough go at Nebraska. If Vanderbilt can be turned around, anyone can, but Nebraska seems to have lost its luster for a lonnnnng time with their coaching carousel. He certainly did a turn around at BU; give credit. But Nebraska May be a tougher task for reasons yet articulated by the media. Thoughts? Sometimes formally glorious helmet schools are buried in the deepest graves?
Clark Lea is in His 4th season at Vandy and is 15-30 let's pump the brakes a bit there.
Year 2 at Temple ended 6-6. Year 2 at BU ended 6-6...then a bowl win. Year 3 at both programs is when his teams made really big jumps.
He's got 2 more shots to get Nebraska to 6 wins and a first bowl invite since 2016.
He seems roughly moving at the same pace as last 2 college stops.
He's got 2 more shots to get Nebraska to 6 wins and a first bowl invite since 2016.
He seems roughly moving at the same pace as last 2 college stops.
Nebraska, like much of the B1G due to recruiting geography and unlike the hey days due to rule changes, is not a location where it's easy to win at a very high level. Nebraska will eventually become a perennial bowl program one way or another, but recent conference realignment has lowered their ceiling from where it was and its alumni will need to come to terms with that.
Nebraska seems to be having the same problems as it had last year. He's starting a true freshman at QB and replaced his OC with Holgorsen. That reeks of desperation. He really needs a win this weekend vs. Wisconsin.
That true freshman was a blue chip recruit who will be much, much better in 2025 and 2026 than he is now.TeamPlayer said:
Nebraska seems to be having the same problems as it had last year. He's starting a true freshman at QB and replaced his OC with Holgorsen. That reeks of desperation. He really needs a win this weekend vs. Wisconsin.
Almost everything Matt Rhule does in his first two years is an investment in the future. He's got to fix the offense, for sure, but switching to Holgorsen is likely a step in the right direction there.
But it wouldn't be a Matt Rhule turnaround if fans weren't calling for him to be fired in Year 1 and/or 2. History says his process is worth trusting.
Let's see here. Matt Rhule? DONT CARE. People like him that use Baylor don't deserve to be discussed on this platform.
I love process-oriented coaches that see a program through tough times and achieve success. However, I wonder if today's college football programs no longer operate that way. NIL money changes everything. For people like Saban and Tony Bennett to just quit is telling. I think we will see more after this season. I wouldn't be surprised for Gundy to retire.bear2be2 said:That true freshman was a blue chip recruit who will be much, much better in 2025 and 2026 than he is now.TeamPlayer said:
Nebraska seems to be having the same problems as it had last year. He's starting a true freshman at QB and replaced his OC with Holgorsen. That reeks of desperation. He really needs a win this weekend vs. Wisconsin.
Almost everything Matt Rhule does in his first two years is an investment in the future. He's got to fix the offense, for sure, but switching to Holgorsen is likely a step in the right direction there.
But it wouldn't be a Matt Rhule turnaround if fans weren't calling for him to be fired in Year 1 and/or 2. History says his process is worth trusting.
I think Matt Rhule likely knows he has a three-year turnaround window at most places -- and only three years, if things don't work out. He just has enough confidence in what he does to endure the doubt, fan backlash and job pressure the first couple of seasons.TeamPlayer said:I love process-oriented coaches that see a program through tough times and achieve success. However, I wonder if today's college football programs no longer operate that way. NIL money changes everything. For people like Saban and Tony Bennett to just quit is telling. I think we will see more after this season. I wouldn't be surprised for Gundy to retire.bear2be2 said:That true freshman was a blue chip recruit who will be much, much better in 2025 and 2026 than he is now.TeamPlayer said:
Nebraska seems to be having the same problems as it had last year. He's starting a true freshman at QB and replaced his OC with Holgorsen. That reeks of desperation. He really needs a win this weekend vs. Wisconsin.
Almost everything Matt Rhule does in his first two years is an investment in the future. He's got to fix the offense, for sure, but switching to Holgorsen is likely a step in the right direction there.
But it wouldn't be a Matt Rhule turnaround if fans weren't calling for him to be fired in Year 1 and/or 2. History says his process is worth trusting.
But this is definitely a different landscape. I think what he does will still work long term. But he's likely only got one more year to prove it in Nebraska.
So they are much better off than Colorado, huh?bear2be2 said:That true freshman was a blue chip recruit who will be much, much better in 2025 and 2026 than he is now.TeamPlayer said:
Nebraska seems to be having the same problems as it had last year. He's starting a true freshman at QB and replaced his OC with Holgorsen. That reeks of desperation. He really needs a win this weekend vs. Wisconsin.
Almost everything Matt Rhule does in his first two years is an investment in the future. He's got to fix the offense, for sure, but switching to Holgorsen is likely a step in the right direction there.
But it wouldn't be a Matt Rhule turnaround if fans weren't calling for him to be fired in Year 1 and/or 2. History says his process is worth trusting.
If Deion leaves after this season, yes.FLBear5630 said:So they are much better off than Colorado, huh?bear2be2 said:That true freshman was a blue chip recruit who will be much, much better in 2025 and 2026 than he is now.TeamPlayer said:
Nebraska seems to be having the same problems as it had last year. He's starting a true freshman at QB and replaced his OC with Holgorsen. That reeks of desperation. He really needs a win this weekend vs. Wisconsin.
Almost everything Matt Rhule does in his first two years is an investment in the future. He's got to fix the offense, for sure, but switching to Holgorsen is likely a step in the right direction there.
But it wouldn't be a Matt Rhule turnaround if fans weren't calling for him to be fired in Year 1 and/or 2. History says his process is worth trusting.
Colorado is obviously better in the short-term -- although Nebraska gave them an ass-beating when they played this season. But Colorado doesn't have a trajectory without Deion. When he leaves, so does all this fun everyone there is having. And I don't see any reason to believe he's a long-termer there.
Aberzombie1892 said:
Nebraska, like much of the B1G due to recruiting geography and unlike the hey days due to rule changes, is not a location where it's easy to win at a very high level. Nebraska will eventually become a perennial bowl program one way or another, but recent conference realignment has lowered their ceiling from where it was and its alumni will need to come to terms with that.
This!!!!
Nebraska was Nebraska when it was in the Big 8/ 12.
In the B1G, Nebraska is Western Iowa.
In the B1G, Nebraska is Western Iowa.
"Smarter than the Average Bear."
Given Rhule's usual trajectory, he seems ahead of schedule. As we used to say here, trust the process.
I guess I'm confused by the OP. Were people expecting Nebraska to be in the playoff this year?
It is just his second year. I expect they will be better next year and end up being a pretty OK program going forward, but likely not the world-beaters they dream about.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
He was an identical 5-5 in his second year here, just like Nebraska, and, like 2018, no ranked wins. He had a massive letdown at home against TCU in game 11, only to salvage bowl eligibility a week later against Tech.CaliBear00 said:
Given Rhule's usual trajectory, he seems ahead of schedule. As we used to say here, trust the process.
It takes about three years to get his players developed and the mental toughness aspect down. He recruits NFL size and speed at every position, especially at DB and it seems to work for him. It was his recruiting class that won Aranda's conference championship.
The talent he's collected will really start to pan out in season three. He has the former number one QB prospect in the country starting. These second year struggles are no different from his previous stops.
Because you've never used a job as a stepping stone to something better, right?
I'm not sure why Baylor fans don't get this. We've seen this movie before, after all.
CaliBear00 said:
Because you've never used a job as a stepping stone to something better, right?
I certainly wish he'd had the desire to stay with us longer....but he was at least very upfront about his desire to have a shot at the NFL.
Now that's he's given that a shot I'll be curious to see how long he sticks with Nebraska.
I said this a few years back and I'll say it again, when the huskers left the Big 12, they lost their Texas High School connections. Same can be said for Arkansas, Colorado and Missouri. Ruhl isn't gonna get those important Texas footballers.
Depends if a school he thinks is better for him comes calling. He is all about himself, a PSU, MSU, or an SEC program is interested he is gone. Having Rhule as a HC is like dating a hot girl that you have no idea if she will cheat on you. I nicer car comes...boognish_bear said:CaliBear00 said:
Because you've never used a job as a stepping stone to something better, right?
I certainly wish he'd had the desire to stay with us longer....but he was at least very upfront about his desire to have a shot at the NFL.
Now that's he's given that a shot I'll be curious to see how long he sticks with Nebraska.
We wouldn't have a matt rhule thread without at least one butthurt poster contributing to it.Stranger said:fredbear said:
Can't tell much this early, but so far tough go at Nebraska. If Vanderbilt can be turned around, anyone can, but Nebraska seems to have lost its luster for a lonnnnng time with their coaching carousel. He certainly did a turn around at BU; give credit. But Nebraska May be a tougher task for reasons yet articulated by the media. Thoughts? Sometimes formally glorious helmet schools are buried in the deepest graves?
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Thank you for making the thread complete.
The only thing Lea did right at Vandy was hire Jerry Kill, who then brought 5 of his staffers from NMSU, his QB who was Conference USA player of the year, his TE who was also all Conference USA and 3 more high level players along with Kill's offensive strategy from NMSU. Otherwise, Lea was well on his way to be fired at the end of this year.IowaBear said:
Clark Lea is in His 4th season at Vandy and is 15-30 let's pump the brakes a bit there.
Aranda needs to do some type of replacement scenario on the defensive side of the ball with his two secondary coaches.
IowaBear said:
Clark Lea is in His 4th season at Vandy and is 15-30 let's pump the brakes a bit there.
Yeah…agree. Vandy caught lightning in a bottle with Pavia. Not sure we can call that a "turn around"
This is well said and spot on.Aberzombie1892 said:
Nebraska, like much of the B1G due to recruiting geography and unlike the hey days due to rule changes, is not a location where it's easy to win at a very high level. Nebraska will eventually become a perennial bowl program one way or another, but recent conference realignment has lowered their ceiling from where it was and its alumni will need to come to terms with that.
Matt Rhule saved Baylor football. We were on full life support after the attempted murder of the program by the media. Rhule rebuilding the program as a gritty, tough, disciplined team is the only reason we have a team worth caring about today. He may have used us as a stepping stone, but he absolutely left us better than he found us. I am grateful he took the opportunity to come here and don't blame him for leaving when he did.Space Cutter said:
Let's see here. Matt Rhule? DONT CARE. People like him that use Baylor don't deserve to be discussed on this platform.
bear2be2 said:If Deion leaves after this season, yes.FLBear5630 said:So they are much better off than Colorado, huh?bear2be2 said:That true freshman was a blue chip recruit who will be much, much better in 2025 and 2026 than he is now.TeamPlayer said:
Nebraska seems to be having the same problems as it had last year. He's starting a true freshman at QB and replaced his OC with Holgorsen. That reeks of desperation. He really needs a win this weekend vs. Wisconsin.
Almost everything Matt Rhule does in his first two years is an investment in the future. He's got to fix the offense, for sure, but switching to Holgorsen is likely a step in the right direction there.
But it wouldn't be a Matt Rhule turnaround if fans weren't calling for him to be fired in Year 1 and/or 2. History says his process is worth trusting.
Colorado is obviously better in the short-term -- although Nebraska gave them an ass-beating when they played this season. But Colorado doesn't have a trajectory without Deion. When he leaves, so does all this fun everyone there is having. And I don't see any reason to believe he's a long-termer there.
Colorado doesn't have a trajectory without his son and Travis Hunter either.
FLBear5630 said:Depends if a school he thinks is better for him comes calling. He is all about himself, a PSU, MSU, or an SEC program is interested he is gone.boognish_bear said:CaliBear00 said:
Because you've never used a job as a stepping stone to something better, right?
I certainly wish he'd had the desire to stay with us longer....but he was at least very upfront about his desire to have a shot at the NFL.
Now that's he's given that a shot I'll be curious to see how long he sticks with Nebraska.
He's not going to parlay Nebraska into a better college gig. If he can take them (a big if btw) to the mountaintop, he's going to try to get back to the NFL. If the NFL still doesn't come calling, he has every incentive to stay and zero incentive to leave.
If Penn State ever comes open and is interested, he'd leave in a heartbeat IMO.jikespingleton said:FLBear5630 said:Depends if a school he thinks is better for him comes calling. He is all about himself, a PSU, MSU, or an SEC program is interested he is gone.boognish_bear said:CaliBear00 said:
Because you've never used a job as a stepping stone to something better, right?
I certainly wish he'd had the desire to stay with us longer....but he was at least very upfront about his desire to have a shot at the NFL.
Now that's he's given that a shot I'll be curious to see how long he sticks with Nebraska.
He's not going to parlay Nebraska into a better college gig. If he can take them (a big if btw) to the mountaintop, he's going to try to get back to the NFL. If the NFL still doesn't come calling, he has every incentive to stay and zero incentive to leave.
jikespingleton said:FLBear5630 said:Depends if a school he thinks is better for him comes calling. He is all about himself, a PSU, MSU, or an SEC program is interested he is gone.boognish_bear said:CaliBear00 said:
Because you've never used a job as a stepping stone to something better, right?
I certainly wish he'd had the desire to stay with us longer....but he was at least very upfront about his desire to have a shot at the NFL.
Now that's he's given that a shot I'll be curious to see how long he sticks with Nebraska.
He's not going to parlay Nebraska into a better college gig. If he can take them (a big if btw) to the mountaintop, he's going to try to get back to the NFL. If the NFL still doesn't come calling, he has every incentive to stay and zero incentive to leave.
You can't recruit to Nebraska. There is a reason they have sucked since partial Qualifiers are off the table. Six coaches all didn't suck.
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