I keep thinking back to Rhoades saying that we were looking to sustain a high-octane offense.

Crucify me if you disagree, but I thought an explosive offense had become synonymous with the Baylor brand.

I WOULD KILL FOR THE PIRATE TO BE COACHING BAYLOR FOOTBALL. (not meant to be taken literally)

I have a hard time believing Leach wouldn't have come. I honestly believe he would have salivated to make a triumphant return to the Big 12. Imagine would Leach would have done with Zach.

After tomorrows game, I cringe at the thought of what the stands will look like for future games.

Besides being a HUGE component of the Baylor brand, that offense would have kept the stands full, IMO.

It can even be said that Leach was an essential root of the most success I've ever seen on the field at Baylor.
He have Briles his start in college coaching.

Which leads me back to my initial question, was Leach off the table for Rhoades? Completely unhireable?

AND... if he was unhirable then, has he suddenly become hirable after 3 weeks of watching what Baylor football looks like with Big 10 flavor?

If, for some reason, Rhoades did what he did at Houston (and manned up and cut bait after a 3 year trial with a HC), is it possible he would look at Leach? (I know that's a practically impossible scenario)

Or would he roll the dice again?

Why would he leave Washington State three years from now if they keep improving? They're already a top 20 program.

I don't believe that Mike practices his religion but believe that he is a Mormon in name. That would not fly.

Art brought his offensive philosophy to Baylor fully formed, without blemish, untouched by human hands and in the image of its creators, the Football Gods.

I would have been way on board with Leach myself...but on the heels of our scandal there was no way our admin would want to bring in a coach with any hint of controversy.

I bet we'd be sitting at 3-0 right now w the Pirate.

The ESPN/BOR Baylor narrative with the Leach influence

Leach speaking of his under performing Baylor players "Their fat little sexual assault victims were telling them all week how overpowering they were."

It's football...

My practical side knows this would never happen...but my football fan side has wanted this for a long time. Some folks don't get that while winning is part of why CAB (ok biggest part) he was popular among the unwashed masses, the style of offense and the excitement and swagger played a big part.

Even though I like CMR and believe he will make us competitive his brand of play will be less than exciting and that makes me sad. I also think that we fans won't settle for competitive we want to be relevant again...in the discussions for Championships.

I would be all in on the Pirate if CMR does not work out...but who knows...no matter what the results they will give CMR more than enough time to work his process.

A flotilla of pirate ships on the river would be cool.

I'd like to see it, but it ain't happening. The pirate questions authority and thou shalt not question the anointed BOFR.

Leach would not be a good fit for Baylor. No way he would have kowtowed to the Baylor Board of Regents and kissed the brass rings. That is a requirement. I think he will stick with institutions of football.

I grew up watching Leach's tech teams. I saw the 2008 game UT/Crabtree catch game while hawking drinks in the stadium at 15. I have no love for tech. I think it's hilarious that that game and that year is all that they've had to be excited about in the last 50 years or so.

He would have gotten us to bowl eligible every season. Guaranteed. I don't think he would have gotten us much further. In the short term, going to a bowl sounds great. Long term, having a middling bowl game and no sniff of a conference championship would make people restless.

marco said:

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I don't believe that Mike practices his religion but believe that he is a Mormon in name. That would not fly.

Art brought his offensive philosophy to Baylor fully formed, without blemish, untouched by human hands and in the image of its creators, the Football Gods.

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Except for the wide splits by the OL. I believe this is something he picked up from the Pirate.

LBKBEAR said:

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I grew up watching Leach's tech teams. I saw the 2008 game UT/Crabtree catch game while hawking drinks in the stadium at 15. I have no love for tech. I think it's hilarious that that game and that year is all that they've had to be excited about in the last 50 years or so.

He would have gotten us to bowl eligible every season. Guaranteed. I don't think he would have gotten us much further. In the short term, going to a bowl sounds great. Long term, having a middling bowl game and no sniff of a conference championship would make people restless.

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This alone may have been enough to get us into a P4 conference when the time comes.

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PrideBU said:
... If, for some reason, Rhoades did what he did at Houston (and manned up and cut bait after a 3 year trial with a HC), is it possible he would look at Leach? (I know that's a practically impossible scenario) ...

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Would Rhoades still be AD if there were reason to cut bait on the HC?

LBKBEAR said:

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Long term, having a middling bowl game and no sniff of a conference championship would make people restless.

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Long term, we're not going to remain P5 anyway, so I'm not sure it really matters. Making any bowl game will be the best we will have hope for.

In any event, Leach is definite non-starter at Baylor for all the aforementioned reasons. He just doesn't fit our brand.

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I grew up watching Leach's tech teams. I saw the 2008 game UT/Crabtree catch game while hawking drinks in the stadium at 15. I have no love for tech. I think it's hilarious that that game and that year is all that they've had to be excited about in the last 50 years or so.

He would have gotten us to bowl eligible every season. Guaranteed. I don't think he would have gotten us much further. In the short term, going to a bowl sounds great. Long term, having a middling bowl game and no sniff of a conference championship would make people restless.

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This. Ceiling of 10 wins...but our floor would be higher than it is right now. Interesting potential tradeoff and a good "would you rather."

I've never been a big Leach guy for a lot of reasons. He'd have us 3-0 I bet, though, and definitely at least 2-1.

Leach cusses. He wouldn't have passed litmus.

If you thought defense was non-existent at times under Briles, you haven't seen nothing yet until you get a Mike Leach coached team.

Leach is entertaining. Leach is not a champion builder

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Leach is entertaining. Leach is not a champion builder

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Could he beat Liberty?

YoakDaddy said:

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I'd like to see it, but it ain't happening. The pirate questions authority and thou shalt not question the anointed BOFR.

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I don't think Baylor fans appreciate the God complexes on that board.

MilliVanilli said:

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If you thought defense was non-existent at times under Briles, you haven't seen nothing yet until you get a Mike Leach coached team.

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Greg Davis said the UT coaching staff feared him learning to coach defense.

Arrrrrr! Me vote be aye!!!

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Leach is entertaining. Leach is not a champion builder

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Could he beat Liberty?

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Yes. And, if beating liberty and being a .500. (+/- 1 game) team is all you aspire to then he's your uh, man.

He lost to an FCS last season with an NFL QB

Washington State has gotten a lot better, but Leach isn't a good fit if you want to win conference championships.

He's won zero.

He's entertaining and I like him, but he's not a good fit.

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Why would he leave Washington State three years from now if they keep improving? They're already a top 20 program.

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You obviously have never been to the Palouse.

8-4 and a good guy that you could hangout with on a study break.
Not sure this is what Baylor fans want as a ceiling.

Leach has three things going against him: his ceiling is 8-4, half of ANY fan base ends up hating him, he is a loose cannon that will eventually embarrass his institution.

He's that crazy uncle that's fun to talk to at the reunion but, please, DONT COME TO VISIT

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Leach has three things going against him: his ceiling is 8-4, half of ANY fan base ends up hating him, he is a loose cannon that will eventually embarrass his institution.

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He did have 3 seasons with 9 wins at Tech and 1 season with 9 wins at Wash St. In 2008 Tech was 11-2 and tied for the B12 South Title.

Pirate moves to 6-0 after knocking off 4-2 Ore. WSU will probably move into the Top 10 with OU and Michigan losing today.

boognish_bear said:

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Pirate moves to 6-0 after knocking off 4-2 Ore. WSU will probably move into the Top 10 with OU and Michigan losing today.

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He's a good coach, and had he been in the conference during 2013 and 2014, Tech might've been the Big 12 champions instead.

xiledinok said:

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8-4 and a good guy that you could hangout with on a study break.
Not sure this is what Baylor fans want as a ceiling.

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That ceiling is better than what we are getting from one of the highest paid staffs in the country. But you are right we want to be play off contenders again.