ParadeOfBears said:

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I spoke with a member of Lone Star Sports and Entertainment (which hosts the Texas Bowl).. They said they're really hoping for Baylor vs LSU. There are 6 teams they are prepping for :

Arkansas, Aggy, LSU, Tech, TCU, and Baylor

FWIW

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Half of the LSU team will be in the portal by the time the bowl game comes around.

bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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blackie said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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Its not about participation trophies. It is about 15 extra practices, recruiting narrative, and general perception of the program.

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Both our 2013 championship team and our 2019 Sugar Bowl team benefitted greatly from the boost they got off "mediocre" bowl wins.

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How did they benefit greatly and which specific bowl wins are you referring to?

If what you claim is true, then wouldn't we have been hurt greatly by the loss to UCF in the Fiesta bowl in 2013 and the loss to Georgia in 2019? Seems to me that we did just fine in 2014 and in 2021 after Covid and CDA got his feet wet.

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It wasn't just the bowl game in 2012 and 2018. It was the momentum those bowl wins preserved/continued.

In 2012, we rallied from a 4-5 start (1-5 in Big 12 play) to win our last four games with a lopsided bowl win over UCLA.

In 2018, we bounced back from four losses in five games -- the last a really tough one to a bad TCU team -- to earn a bowl berth with a unexpected win over Tech and continued that momentum with an impressive bowl win over a solid Vandy team.

In both cases, teams that many had concluded were mediocre or worse finished the season playing good football -- not unlike our team this year.

That stuff matters. Momentum and confidence are a huge deal in college football.

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I think you are putting far too much value on the bowl games (and presumably the 2-3 weeks of practices they come with).

A bowl game is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of time spent lifting weights, conditioning and working with your teammates throughout the year. Strength can be built throughout the year, but cohesiveness and game-ready skills are build during the summer and through the playing season. I guess some would argue spring practice counts, too. My point is that those months and months of practice and playing games (May-Nov) are what builds teams - not a bowl game.

Momentum as related to how a team plays, can only be gained while the team is playing. Once the season (or bowl game) is over, they won't play another team for 8-9 months.

Whatever playing momentum that was had in the prior season evaporates quickly after the last game is played. New momentum has to be built. It's not magically transferred from a prior season.

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What you have, in effect, just said is that experience doesn't matter in college football, which could not be further from the truth.

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I said nothing of the sort. I said you placed too much value on 1 bowl game and I don't think you understand momentum.

Months and months of practice and playing games (May-Nov) are what builds teams. The hundreds of hours of practice, lifting and being with your teammates- a process that takes places over many many months.

You are placing too much value on the experience of 1 game (bowl game) and it's effects on the following season.

If the majority of our fanbase is in TX, I would prefer to play a bowl game in TX so that more fans have the opportunity to go.

jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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blackie said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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Its not about participation trophies. It is about 15 extra practices, recruiting narrative, and general perception of the program.

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Both our 2013 championship team and our 2019 Sugar Bowl team benefitted greatly from the boost they got off "mediocre" bowl wins.

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How did they benefit greatly and which specific bowl wins are you referring to?

If what you claim is true, then wouldn't we have been hurt greatly by the loss to UCF in the Fiesta bowl in 2013 and the loss to Georgia in 2019? Seems to me that we did just fine in 2014 and in 2021 after Covid and CDA got his feet wet.

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It wasn't just the bowl game in 2012 and 2018. It was the momentum those bowl wins preserved/continued.

In 2012, we rallied from a 4-5 start (1-5 in Big 12 play) to win our last four games with a lopsided bowl win over UCLA.

In 2018, we bounced back from four losses in five games -- the last a really tough one to a bad TCU team -- to earn a bowl berth with a unexpected win over Tech and continued that momentum with an impressive bowl win over a solid Vandy team.

In both cases, teams that many had concluded were mediocre or worse finished the season playing good football -- not unlike our team this year.

That stuff matters. Momentum and confidence are a huge deal in college football.

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I think you are putting far too much value on the bowl games (and presumably the 2-3 weeks of practices they come with).

A bowl game is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of time spent lifting weights, conditioning and working with your teammates throughout the year. Strength can be built throughout the year, but cohesiveness and game-ready skills are build during the summer and through the playing season. I guess some would argue spring practice counts, too. My point is that those months and months of practice and playing games (May-Nov) are what builds teams - not a bowl game.

Momentum as related to how a team plays, can only be gained while the team is playing. Once the season (or bowl game) is over, they won't play another team for 8-9 months.

Whatever playing momentum that was had in the prior season evaporates quickly after the last game is played. New momentum has to be built. It's not magically transferred from a prior season.

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What you have, in effect, just said is that experience doesn't matter in college football, which could not be further from the truth.

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I said nothing of the sort. I said you placed too much value on 1 bowl game and I don't think you understand momentum.

Months and months of practice and playing games (May-Nov) are what builds teams. The hundreds of hours of practice, lifting and being with your teammates- a process that takes places over many many months.

You are placing too much value on the experience of 1 game (bowl game) and it's effects on the following season.

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For the second time now, it's not the bowl game in a vacuum. The bowl game is an extension of a greater trend. We would not be creating momentum with a bowl win, we'd be maintaining it -- as we did in 2012.

And if you don't think program momentum (both good and bad) can carry over from one year to the next, you haven't paid very close attention to modern college football.

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Ok so I saw a Baylor vs LSU prediction for Liberty Bowl. I'd take that. I'll head to Memphis.

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1985 all over again.

Aggy vs any Big 12 team in houston will sell out. Baylor should get the nod having beaten Tech mercilessly, and TCU.

bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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blackie said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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Its not about participation trophies. It is about 15 extra practices, recruiting narrative, and general perception of the program.

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Both our 2013 championship team and our 2019 Sugar Bowl team benefitted greatly from the boost they got off "mediocre" bowl wins.

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How did they benefit greatly and which specific bowl wins are you referring to?

If what you claim is true, then wouldn't we have been hurt greatly by the loss to UCF in the Fiesta bowl in 2013 and the loss to Georgia in 2019? Seems to me that we did just fine in 2014 and in 2021 after Covid and CDA got his feet wet.

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It wasn't just the bowl game in 2012 and 2018. It was the momentum those bowl wins preserved/continued.

In 2012, we rallied from a 4-5 start (1-5 in Big 12 play) to win our last four games with a lopsided bowl win over UCLA.

In 2018, we bounced back from four losses in five games -- the last a really tough one to a bad TCU team -- to earn a bowl berth with a unexpected win over Tech and continued that momentum with an impressive bowl win over a solid Vandy team.

In both cases, teams that many had concluded were mediocre or worse finished the season playing good football -- not unlike our team this year.

That stuff matters. Momentum and confidence are a huge deal in college football.

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I think you are putting far too much value on the bowl games (and presumably the 2-3 weeks of practices they come with).

A bowl game is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of time spent lifting weights, conditioning and working with your teammates throughout the year. Strength can be built throughout the year, but cohesiveness and game-ready skills are build during the summer and through the playing season. I guess some would argue spring practice counts, too. My point is that those months and months of practice and playing games (May-Nov) are what builds teams - not a bowl game.

Momentum as related to how a team plays, can only be gained while the team is playing. Once the season (or bowl game) is over, they won't play another team for 8-9 months.

Whatever playing momentum that was had in the prior season evaporates quickly after the last game is played. New momentum has to be built. It's not magically transferred from a prior season.

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What you have, in effect, just said is that experience doesn't matter in college football, which could not be further from the truth.

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I said nothing of the sort. I said you placed too much value on 1 bowl game and I don't think you understand momentum.

Months and months of practice and playing games (May-Nov) are what builds teams. The hundreds of hours of practice, lifting and being with your teammates- a process that takes places over many many months.

You are placing too much value on the experience of 1 game (bowl game) and it's effects on the following season.

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For the second time now, it's not the bowl game in a vacuum. The bowl game is an extension of a greater trend. We would not be creating momentum with a bowl win, we'd be maintaining it -- as we did in 2012.

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1 bowl game doesn't "greatly" boost a team. That was your claim and that's what started this discussion.

15 more practices more time spent with teammates, coaches and in the film room and 60 more minutes of game time is better than not having those things. Does it make a significant difference? Hard to tell, but it seems like it's unlikely to have a negative impact, unless you lose in embarrassing fashion to a service academy in your rivals stadium in sub freezing temperatures. In that case it can cause multi year damage.

ParadeOfBears said:

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jikespingleton said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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every bowl game that isn't a playoff game is basically a participation trophy if you want to look at it in a glass half-full perspective

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I look at bowl games as being 'outside of the sport'. Except for CCG's, the season is over. Bowls aren't anything except exhibition games that have been created to make money for a handful of people. Outside of a handful of bowls, the bowls don't move you further into the playoffs and therefore don't mean anything.

You and I can create an organization, obtain funding for it, get a sponsorship from Proctor and Gamble and call it the Pepto Bismol bowl. We can invite teams and hand out pepto bismol to all of the players. We can crown the winner of the game the Pepto Bismol Champ.

whoop de do

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Very strange comment on a football forum... So you don't like watching football unless the game is deemed worthy by some committee? Bowl games matter as much as any out of conference game. Every game matters if you're a sportsman.

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I don't care for the committee or what it represents, at all.

Some people think of the setup as real playoffs - I don't. However, I mentioned playoffs because of the prevailing opinion that they represent FBS playoffs.

bear2be2 said:

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CorsicanaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in the DirectTV Holiday Bowl vs UCal. We did ok in the Holiday Bowl last time with a very similar kind of team.

I am really hoping for the Snoop Dogg Arizona Bowl presented by Gin & Juice by Dre and Snoop though.

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I think we would murder Cal.

Honestly, as long as we don't end up in the Armed Forces Bowl against Navy, I'll be OK with wherever we end up.

I'd rather play an SEC team, but I'll take a comfortable win over a mediocre ACC or Big Ten team, too.

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In addition to a service academy… I also hope we can avoid being matched up against another big 12 team. That would be anti-climactic after such a great run.

Robert Wilson said:

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jikespingleton said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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jikespingleton said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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every bowl game that isn't a playoff game is basically a participation trophy if you want to look at it in a glass half-full perspective

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I look at bowl games as being 'outside of the sport'. Except for CCG's, the season is over. Bowls aren't anything except exhibition games that have been created to make money for a handful of people. Outside of a handful of bowls, the bowls don't move you further into the playoffs and therefore don't mean anything.

You and I can create an organization, obtain funding for it, get a sponsorship from Proctor and Gamble and call it the Pepto Bismol bowl. We can invite teams and hand out pepto bismol to all of the players. We can crown the winner of the game the Pepto Bismol Champ.

whoop de do

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Competitors like to play and compete. Pretty simple. If you like football, you like football. Saying only games with playoff implications "don't mean anything" equates to most games not meaning anything. That's just silly. If you don't like football, then so be it.

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To argue that I don't like football because I don't care for exhibition games is silly straw man argument.

FBS lacks a real playoff system. That's the main reason why bowl exhibitions were created in the first place. After the regular season was over, there was no playoff, no way to determine a champ etc. People who wanted to make money saw the lack of a postseason and created exhibition games - called bowl games.

I grew up watching the Houston Oilers. They finished 8-8 in 1996 and missed the playoffs. Should they have played in a bowl game after the season, because competitors like to play and compete? If they did play in said bowl game, what value would be placed on that game? Would it count for something? These are rhetorical questions - the answer is no. The games wouldn't improve their in-season record and they would still miss the playoffs.

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You think this word "exhibition" adds some rhetorical weight? Ok...

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No, I don't.

We can use the word 'bowl' or the word 'exhibition' or something else. Doesn't matter to me.

All I know is that with +40 bowl games, things are very watered down.

boognish_bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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CorsicanaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in the DirectTV Holiday Bowl vs UCal. We did ok in the Holiday Bowl last time with a very similar kind of team.

I am really hoping for the Snoop Dogg Arizona Bowl presented by Gin & Juice by Dre and Snoop though.

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I think we would murder Cal.

Honestly, as long as we don't end up in the Armed Forces Bowl against Navy, I'll be OK with wherever we end up.

I'd rather play an SEC team, but I'll take a comfortable win over a mediocre ACC or Big Ten team, too.

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In addition to a service academy… I also hope we can avoid being matched up against another big 12 team. That would be anti-climactic after such a great run.

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I could see the Alamo Bowl matching up Colorado vs. IowaSt or BYU, since neither played during this season. But not us, since we already played this year.

If IowaSt beats ArizonaSt and the Sun Devils slip to the Alamo, I could possibly see a BU-AzSt pairing, since AzSt would have already played BYU and IowaSt (and Colorado would go to another Pac 12 bowl slot).

jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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blackie said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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Its not about participation trophies. It is about 15 extra practices, recruiting narrative, and general perception of the program.

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Both our 2013 championship team and our 2019 Sugar Bowl team benefitted greatly from the boost they got off "mediocre" bowl wins.

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How did they benefit greatly and which specific bowl wins are you referring to?

If what you claim is true, then wouldn't we have been hurt greatly by the loss to UCF in the Fiesta bowl in 2013 and the loss to Georgia in 2019? Seems to me that we did just fine in 2014 and in 2021 after Covid and CDA got his feet wet.

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It wasn't just the bowl game in 2012 and 2018. It was the momentum those bowl wins preserved/continued.

In 2012, we rallied from a 4-5 start (1-5 in Big 12 play) to win our last four games with a lopsided bowl win over UCLA.

In 2018, we bounced back from four losses in five games -- the last a really tough one to a bad TCU team -- to earn a bowl berth with a unexpected win over Tech and continued that momentum with an impressive bowl win over a solid Vandy team.

In both cases, teams that many had concluded were mediocre or worse finished the season playing good football -- not unlike our team this year.

That stuff matters. Momentum and confidence are a huge deal in college football.

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I think you are putting far too much value on the bowl games (and presumably the 2-3 weeks of practices they come with).

A bowl game is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of time spent lifting weights, conditioning and working with your teammates throughout the year. Strength can be built throughout the year, but cohesiveness and game-ready skills are build during the summer and through the playing season. I guess some would argue spring practice counts, too. My point is that those months and months of practice and playing games (May-Nov) are what builds teams - not a bowl game.

Momentum as related to how a team plays, can only be gained while the team is playing. Once the season (or bowl game) is over, they won't play another team for 8-9 months.

Whatever playing momentum that was had in the prior season evaporates quickly after the last game is played. New momentum has to be built. It's not magically transferred from a prior season.

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What you have, in effect, just said is that experience doesn't matter in college football, which could not be further from the truth.

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I said nothing of the sort. I said you placed too much value on 1 bowl game and I don't think you understand momentum.

Months and months of practice and playing games (May-Nov) are what builds teams. The hundreds of hours of practice, lifting and being with your teammates- a process that takes places over many many months.

You are placing too much value on the experience of 1 game (bowl game) and it's effects on the following season.

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For the second time now, it's not the bowl game in a vacuum. The bowl game is an extension of a greater trend. We would not be creating momentum with a bowl win, we'd be maintaining it -- as we did in 2012.

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1 bowl game doesn't "greatly" boost a team. That was your claim and that's what started this discussion.

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It wasn't the bowl itself that boosted those teams. It was hitting the offseason on a high note, versus hitting it on a downer.

Bowl performances tangibly change the way those in and around a program feel about their season. Dismantling a solid UCLA team in 2012 to finish on a four-game winning streak was a big deal -- both for that team and our program.

The same was true of winning our last two games in 2018 to prove to fans and players alike that we can win without Art Briles and that Matt Rhule's process was working.

Without those bowl wins, those seasons aren't viewed the same way and we don't carry the same level of momentum into the offseason that we did.

This bowl game will be similar. Win this one to go into the offseason on a seven-game winning streak, and everyone involved in our program will be talking about Big 12 championships next year. Lose that game, and expectations will be tempered and old feelings of pre-streak doubt will creep back in.

Winning is contagious. And so is losing. Unless we're in the playoff and competing for a championship, I will always take and value a bowl win for the vibes they bring to a program -- especially one that's already riding a wave of momentum, as we currently are.

jikespingleton said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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jikespingleton said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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jikespingleton said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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every bowl game that isn't a playoff game is basically a participation trophy if you want to look at it in a glass half-full perspective

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I look at bowl games as being 'outside of the sport'. Except for CCG's, the season is over. Bowls aren't anything except exhibition games that have been created to make money for a handful of people. Outside of a handful of bowls, the bowls don't move you further into the playoffs and therefore don't mean anything.

You and I can create an organization, obtain funding for it, get a sponsorship from Proctor and Gamble and call it the Pepto Bismol bowl. We can invite teams and hand out pepto bismol to all of the players. We can crown the winner of the game the Pepto Bismol Champ.

whoop de do

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Competitors like to play and compete. Pretty simple. If you like football, you like football. Saying only games with playoff implications "don't mean anything" equates to most games not meaning anything. That's just silly. If you don't like football, then so be it.

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To argue that I don't like football because I don't care for exhibition games is silly straw man argument.

FBS lacks a real playoff system. That's the main reason why bowl exhibitions were created in the first place. After the regular season was over, there was no playoff, no way to determine a champ etc. People who wanted to make money saw the lack of a postseason and created exhibition games - called bowl games.

I grew up watching the Houston Oilers. They finished 8-8 in 1996 and missed the playoffs. Should they have played in a bowl game after the season, because competitors like to play and compete? If they did play in said bowl game, what value would be placed on that game? Would it count for something? These are rhetorical questions - the answer is no. The games wouldn't improve their in-season record and they would still miss the playoffs.

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You think this word "exhibition" adds some rhetorical weight? Ok...

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No, I don't.

We can use the word 'bowl' or the word 'exhibition' or something else. Doesn't matter to me.

All I know is that with +40 bowl games, things are very watered down.

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Non-playoff bowl games are even more meaningless these days with expanded playoff. Schools will see significant talent either hit the portal or sit out for the nfl draft. Even up to last year you'd still see top schools gear up for new years six bowls, but those are now all in the playoff. I couldn't even tell you what's now considered to be the top tier non playoff bowl games.

Can't discount the ability to have additional practices, but the actual games themselves don't feature the "A" teams like they used to.

GoldenBear007 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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jikespingleton said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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jikespingleton said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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every bowl game that isn't a playoff game is basically a participation trophy if you want to look at it in a glass half-full perspective

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I look at bowl games as being 'outside of the sport'. Except for CCG's, the season is over. Bowls aren't anything except exhibition games that have been created to make money for a handful of people. Outside of a handful of bowls, the bowls don't move you further into the playoffs and therefore don't mean anything.

You and I can create an organization, obtain funding for it, get a sponsorship from Proctor and Gamble and call it the Pepto Bismol bowl. We can invite teams and hand out pepto bismol to all of the players. We can crown the winner of the game the Pepto Bismol Champ.

whoop de do

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Competitors like to play and compete. Pretty simple. If you like football, you like football. Saying only games with playoff implications "don't mean anything" equates to most games not meaning anything. That's just silly. If you don't like football, then so be it.

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To argue that I don't like football because I don't care for exhibition games is silly straw man argument.

FBS lacks a real playoff system. That's the main reason why bowl exhibitions were created in the first place. After the regular season was over, there was no playoff, no way to determine a champ etc. People who wanted to make money saw the lack of a postseason and created exhibition games - called bowl games.

I grew up watching the Houston Oilers. They finished 8-8 in 1996 and missed the playoffs. Should they have played in a bowl game after the season, because competitors like to play and compete? If they did play in said bowl game, what value would be placed on that game? Would it count for something? These are rhetorical questions - the answer is no. The games wouldn't improve their in-season record and they would still miss the playoffs.

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You think this word "exhibition" adds some rhetorical weight? Ok...

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No, I don't.

We can use the word 'bowl' or the word 'exhibition' or something else. Doesn't matter to me.

All I know is that with +40 bowl games, things are very watered down.

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Non-playoff bowl games are even more meaningless these days with expanded playoff. Schools will see significant talent either hit the portal or sit out for the nfl draft. Even up to last year you'd still see top schools gear up for new years six bowls, but those are now all in the playoff. I couldn't even tell you what's now considered to be the top tier non playoff bowl games.

Can't discount the ability to have additional practices, but the actual games themselves don't feature the "A" teams like they used to.

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That's up to each team. And those who choose to downplay them should be criticized and punished for it. There will be a lot of teams that take their bowl games seriously, and those teams will get an extra win on their ledger at the end of the day. Good for them. I'm not going to punish them because they played a disinterested opponent. They're the ones who did what they're supposed to.

bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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blackie said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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Its not about participation trophies. It is about 15 extra practices, recruiting narrative, and general perception of the program.

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Both our 2013 championship team and our 2019 Sugar Bowl team benefitted greatly from the boost they got off "mediocre" bowl wins.

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How did they benefit greatly and which specific bowl wins are you referring to?

If what you claim is true, then wouldn't we have been hurt greatly by the loss to UCF in the Fiesta bowl in 2013 and the loss to Georgia in 2019? Seems to me that we did just fine in 2014 and in 2021 after Covid and CDA got his feet wet.

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It wasn't just the bowl game in 2012 and 2018. It was the momentum those bowl wins preserved/continued.

In 2012, we rallied from a 4-5 start (1-5 in Big 12 play) to win our last four games with a lopsided bowl win over UCLA.

In 2018, we bounced back from four losses in five games -- the last a really tough one to a bad TCU team -- to earn a bowl berth with a unexpected win over Tech and continued that momentum with an impressive bowl win over a solid Vandy team.

In both cases, teams that many had concluded were mediocre or worse finished the season playing good football -- not unlike our team this year.

That stuff matters. Momentum and confidence are a huge deal in college football.

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I think you are putting far too much value on the bowl games (and presumably the 2-3 weeks of practices they come with).

A bowl game is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of time spent lifting weights, conditioning and working with your teammates throughout the year. Strength can be built throughout the year, but cohesiveness and game-ready skills are build during the summer and through the playing season. I guess some would argue spring practice counts, too. My point is that those months and months of practice and playing games (May-Nov) are what builds teams - not a bowl game.

Momentum as related to how a team plays, can only be gained while the team is playing. Once the season (or bowl game) is over, they won't play another team for 8-9 months.

Whatever playing momentum that was had in the prior season evaporates quickly after the last game is played. New momentum has to be built. It's not magically transferred from a prior season.

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What you have, in effect, just said is that experience doesn't matter in college football, which could not be further from the truth.

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I said nothing of the sort. I said you placed too much value on 1 bowl game and I don't think you understand momentum.

Months and months of practice and playing games (May-Nov) are what builds teams. The hundreds of hours of practice, lifting and being with your teammates- a process that takes places over many many months.

You are placing too much value on the experience of 1 game (bowl game) and it's effects on the following season.

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For the second time now, it's not the bowl game in a vacuum. The bowl game is an extension of a greater trend. We would not be creating momentum with a bowl win, we'd be maintaining it -- as we did in 2012.

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1 bowl game doesn't "greatly" boost a team. That was your claim and that's what started this discussion.

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It wasn't the bowl itself that boosted those teams. It was hitting the offseason on a high note, versus hitting it on a downer.

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Gotcha. Well, my bad then.

I mistook the following as something different.

"Both our 2013 championship team and our 2019 Sugar Bowl team benefitted greatly from the boost they got off "mediocre" bowl wins."

boognish_bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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CorsicanaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in the DirectTV Holiday Bowl vs UCal. We did ok in the Holiday Bowl last time with a very similar kind of team.

I am really hoping for the Snoop Dogg Arizona Bowl presented by Gin & Juice by Dre and Snoop though.

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I think we would murder Cal.

Honestly, as long as we don't end up in the Armed Forces Bowl against Navy, I'll be OK with wherever we end up.

I'd rather play an SEC team, but I'll take a comfortable win over a mediocre ACC or Big Ten team, too.

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In addition to a service academy… I also hope we can avoid being matched up against another big 12 team. That would be anti-climactic after such a great run.

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I wouldn't mind playing Arizona State since we didn't get a chance to play them in the regular season. It would be a nice measuring stick for our team to see how we stack up against a championship game participant.

Another crack at Colorado wouldn't be the worst thing in the world either.

I think I'd rather play either of those than a service academy -- no offense to those programs.

FYI, as to the question of bowl payouts/prestige, the Texas Bowl is quite decent. Payout is something like 6 million. That's better than the armed forces, first responder, mayo bowl, Independence Bowl, guaranteed rate etc., and a little bit under the Alamo Bowl which is like 8.2 million (in the neighborhood of what the playoff games pay. Very good)

no clue as to the reliability of these numbers, but there you go

https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/bowl-game-payouts/

Wanna make the bowl games interesting? Give the players a piece of the payout if they win.

BUATX2000 said:

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Wanna make the bowl games interesting? Give the players a piece of the payout if they win.

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Maybe once revenue sharing gets worked out that will happen

jikespingleton said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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every bowl game that isn't a playoff game is basically a participation trophy if you want to look at it in a glass half-full perspective

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I look at bowl games as being 'outside of the sport'. Except for CCG's, the season is over. Bowls aren't anything except exhibition games that have been created to make money for a handful of people. Outside of a handful of bowls, the bowls don't move you further into the playoffs and therefore don't mean anything.

You and I can create an organization, obtain funding for it, get a sponsorship from Proctor and Gamble and call it the Pepto Bismol bowl. We can invite teams and hand out pepto bismol to all of the players. We can crown the winner of the game the Pepto Bismol Champ.

whoop de do

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Competitors like to play and compete. Pretty simple. If you like football, you like football. Saying only games with playoff implications "don't mean anything" equates to most games not meaning anything. That's just silly. If you don't like football, then so be it.

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To argue that I don't like football because I don't care for exhibition games is silly straw man argument.

FBS lacks a real playoff system. That's the main reason why bowl exhibitions were created in the first place. After the regular season was over, there was no playoff, no way to determine a champ etc. People who wanted to make money saw the lack of a postseason and created exhibition games - called bowl games.

I grew up watching the Houston Oilers. They finished 8-8 in 1996 and missed the playoffs. Should they have played in a bowl game after the season, because competitors like to play and compete? If they did play in said bowl game, what value would be placed on that game? Would it count for something? These are rhetorical questions - the answer is no. The games wouldn't improve their in-season record and they would still miss the playoffs.

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You think this word "exhibition" adds some rhetorical weight? Ok...

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No, I don't.

We can use the word 'bowl' or the word 'exhibition' or something else. Doesn't matter to me.

All I know is that with +40 bowl games, things are very watered down.

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I would just call them bowl games, since that's what we've called them for the last several decades.

Why do you think bowl games kept popping up until we got to the point that everyone who finished .500 or better could go play in one? Corporate sponsors wanting to lose money?

boognish_bear said:

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Brett projecting BU vs Arky in Texas Bowl

My bowl projections entering conference title games. @CFBPlayoff: Oregon, Texas, SMU, Arizona St; Tennessee at Ohio St; UNLV at Notre Dame; Bama at Penn St; Indiana at Georgia. Also, Pop-Tarts: Miami-Iowa St; Alamo: Colorado-BYU; Pinstripe: Michigan-BChttps://t.co/KaXB62qUsx

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) December 2, 2024

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Brett updated some of his projections this morning

Haven't followed LSU, but I know they had a disappointing season and will likely have a fair number of players in the portal

Daveisabovereproach said:

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Haven't followed LSU, but I know they had a disappointing season and will likely have a fair number of players in the portal

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I saw yesterday where Brian Kelly declared LSU will win the natty next year.

I've said for weeks now LSU would be a bad match up for BU. No im not saying BU could win for those prepared to jump all over that comment. Their a pass happy team who has plenty of next level WRs. That said they'll have a ton of opt outs which is why I prefer a team like Tulane or Army. I'd much rather play a good/full strength team than one with half its team sitting out

Daveisabovereproach said:

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Haven't followed LSU, but I know they had a disappointing season and will likely have a fair number of players in the portal

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I think our offense would have a lot of success against their defense.

IowaBear said:

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I've said for weeks now LSU would be a bad match up for BU. No im not saying BU could win for those prepared to jump all over that comment. Their a pass happy team who has plenty of next level WRs. That said they'll have a ton of opt outs which is why I prefer a team like Tulane or Army. I'd much rather play a good/full strength team than one with half its team sitting out

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I think we'd have some terrible stopping them, but our offense would give them fits, too. It would likely be another shootout.

IowaBear said:

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I've said for weeks now LSU would be a bad match up for BU. No im not saying BU could win for those prepared to jump all over that comment. Their a pass happy team who has plenty of next level WRs. That said they'll have a ton of opt outs which is why I prefer a team like Tulane or Army. I'd much rather play a good/full strength team than one with half its team sitting out

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I see what you're saying, but I feel the exact opposite. I do not want to be a G5 team's Super Bowl "prove it" game. I think there is little to gain in terms of prestige by beating an army or a Tulane. It is like beating a girl in arm wrestling. Nobody is going to give you props, but you will be made fun of if you lose. LSU is still going to be tough with their back ups. It's a team of four and five star recruits for a reason

IowaBear said:

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I've said for weeks now LSU would be a bad match up for BU. No im not saying BU could win for those prepared to jump all over that comment. Their a pass happy team who has plenty of next level WRs. That said they'll have a ton of opt outs which is why I prefer a team like Tulane or Army. I'd much rather play a good/full strength team than one with half its team sitting out

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Arkansas might be a good SEC matchup. They probably won't sit out as many players and they are less likely to think this bowl is beneath them.

Although I'd rather face a team with something better than a 6-6 record.

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IowaBear said:

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I've said for weeks now LSU would be a bad match up for BU. No im not saying BU could win for those prepared to jump all over that comment. Their a pass happy team who has plenty of next level WRs. That said they'll have a ton of opt outs which is why I prefer a team like Tulane or Army. I'd much rather play a good/full strength team than one with half its team sitting out

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I see what you're saying, but I feel the exact opposite. I do not want to be somebody's Super Bowl. I think there is a little to gain in terms of prestige by beating an army or a Tulane. It is like beating a girl in arm wrestling. Nobody is going to give you props, but you will be made fun of if you lose. LSU is still going to be tough with their back ups. It's a team of four and five star recruits for a reason

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You try telling Andy Kaufman that there's no glory in wrestling women.

boognish_bear said:

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IowaBear said:

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I've said for weeks now LSU would be a bad match up for BU. No im not saying BU could win for those prepared to jump all over that comment. Their a pass happy team who has plenty of next level WRs. That said they'll have a ton of opt outs which is why I prefer a team like Tulane or Army. I'd much rather play a good/full strength team than one with half its team sitting out

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Arkansas might be a good SEC matchup. They probably won't sit out as many players and they are less likely to think this bowl is beneath them.

Although I'd rather face a team with something better than a 6-6 record.

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I just want to win. I don't really care about the opponent or circumstances. Few remember the details when looking back at records a decade down the road. And a win would send us into an important offseason on a really strong note.

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boognish_bear said:

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IowaBear said:

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I've said for weeks now LSU would be a bad match up for BU. No im not saying BU could win for those prepared to jump all over that comment. Their a pass happy team who has plenty of next level WRs. That said they'll have a ton of opt outs which is why I prefer a team like Tulane or Army. I'd much rather play a good/full strength team than one with half its team sitting out

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Arkansas might be a good SEC matchup. They probably won't sit out as many players and they are less likely to think this bowl is beneath them.

Although I'd rather face a team with something better than a 6-6 record.

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I just want to win. I don't really care about the opponent or circumstances. Few remember the details when looking back at records a decade down the road. And a win would send us into an important offseason on a really strong note.

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I would say that's more or less where I am at. I basically think bowl games are usually a better proposition for the underdog. More to gain, arguably less to lose in terms of prestige. The SEC gets a certain benefit of the doubt from the talking heads that makes them a desirable opponent IMO. And Dave can use the 'these guys didn't recruit any of you (except for one or two)' angle to get the players pumped

I'd like to take a crack at an SEC school. I think we'd have a good shot against any of the non-playoff SEC teams with the way we are playing right now, especially if our opponent is not hyped and has some material defections.

Robert Wilson said:

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I'd like to take a crack at an SEC school. I think we'd have a good shot against any of the non-playoff SEC teams with the way we are playing right now, especially if our opponent is not hyped and has some material defections.

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We would get Vandy. Sankey isn't gonna expose a bigger SEC brand to a Big 12 team, if he can help it.

Daveisabovereproach said:

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Haven't followed LSU, but I know they had a disappointing season and will likely have a fair number of players in the portal

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Fair number = 20ish