Firing regrets

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cowach
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Now that we're in the coach firing season, it might be interesting to list coaches fired that the fan base regretted later. A few on my list:

Texas A&M - R C Slocum
Baylor - Art Briles
Baylor - Grant Teaff
Texas Tech - Mike Leach
PartyBear
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Texas with Mack Brown. Although 10 years later they found the new DKR/Mack Brown.

OSU would regret firing Gundy. They are wise enough to know that it seems. Hence it isn't happening.

Perhaps TCU with Patterson long term? Not sure they did go to a national title game and now have an 8 win season in 3 years post Patterson.
IowaBear
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Bo Pelini at Nebby comes to mind as a real head scratcher
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IowaBear said:

Bo Pelini at Nebby comes to mind as a real head scratcher

Got a feeling Pelini was probably a nightmare to work with. But true, his record there was good.
hodedofome
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1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.
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Guitarbiscuit said:

IowaBear said:

Bo Pelini at Nebby comes to mind as a real head scratcher

Got a feeling Pelini was probably a nightmare to work with. But true, his record there was good.
As was his predecessor, who likely is a bigger regret than Bo, if the Children of the Corn are honest.
Stefano DiMera
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Yep ..Frank Solich would be #1

And Paul Chryst at Wisconsin #2
Daveisabovereproach
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Briles and leach both had scandals and weren't really "firings" in the traditional sense.

I think Florida firing Dan Mullen should be on this list. I don't think he was on his way to making them the powerhouse they were in the Tim Tebow years, but they were a good team
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IowaBear said:

Bo Pelini at Nebby comes to mind as a real head scratcher
Frank Solich won 9 games and got canned. Been a real sh** show in Lincoln ever since.

edited to add he won 10+ games in 3 of his 6 years there, with 2 9-win seasons and a 7-7 campaign.
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hodedofome said:

1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.


Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?
Robert Wilson
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pitchspork said:

hodedofome said:

1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.


Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?


We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.

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Robert Wilson said:

pitchspork said:

hodedofome said:

1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.


Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?


We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.


I don't think anyone including admin will "forget it", but we also don't need that era to be an albatross around our neck to the point we can't enjoy moving back up because we keep comparing to our past.
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Robert Wilson said:

pitchspork said:

hodedofome said:

1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.


Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?


We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.




We were nationally in the mix in 21. Our now fellow XII member UC edged us out for slot 4. They deserved to be there though. I was not upset at the time nor am I now about it.
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drahthaar said:

Guitarbiscuit said:

IowaBear said:

Bo Pelini at Nebby comes to mind as a real head scratcher

Got a feeling Pelini was probably a nightmare to work with. But true, his record there was good.
As was his predecessor, who likely is a bigger regret than Bo, if the Children of the Corn are honest.

True.

I think Nebraska was hoping for a return to their dominant past, and 2nd place was not good enough at that time.

Now, I'm guessing they wouldn't mind 2nd place.
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pitchspork said:

hodedofome said:

1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.


Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?

Doubtful, and in some sense I don't think we should. Briles gave us consistent success, year after year. Despite his questionable moral decisions, no other coach did that for Baylor. Teaff had great years mixed with mediocre years. His only real consistent period was the mid 80's with Cody, and even then that was a 3 year deal. Perhaps Rhule would have established consistency, but we won't know because he left.

Jury is still out on Aranda.

BluesBear
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We need to extend Dave another 10 years. Same contract as Drew. Lots of Sunshine...
TeamPlayer
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Here we go again for the zillionth time. We think up new ways to bring up Briles nearly every day around here.
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Robert Wilson said:

pitchspork said:

hodedofome said:

1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.


Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?


We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.




What I've learned about Baylor is that if any coach has even one successful season, they immediately get a cult following that is both rabid and permanent. It isn't just briles that has one, Aranda has one as well, that's the funny thing
Guitarbiscuit
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Daveisabovereproach said:

Robert Wilson said:

pitchspork said:

hodedofome said:

1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.


Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?


We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.




What I've learned about Baylor is that if any coach has even one successful season, they immediately get a cult following that is both rabid and permanent. It isn't just briles that has one, Aranda has one as well, that's the funny thing

Interesting point. I've always followed the Janet Jackson "What Have You Done For Me Lately" school of thought when dealing with coaches. No rabid follower here.
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IowaBear said:

Bo Pelini at Nebby comes to mind as a real head scratcher


I think they got cursed after firing Solich.
IowaBear
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I thought they had more success under Pelini ? Could absolutely be wrong on that.
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Daveisabovereproach said:

Robert Wilson said:

pitchspork said:

hodedofome said:

1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.


Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?


We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.




What I've learned about Baylor is that if any coach has even one successful season, they immediately get a cult following that is both rabid and permanent. It isn't just briles that has one, Aranda has one as well, that's the funny thing
The most hilarious of all were the Einsteins that brown-nosed Chuck Reedy & Kevin Steele. I was branded Lucifer himself for about 10 years for posting the TRUTH about our black eyes administered by those coaches. While Reedy, Roberts & Steele were being lifted off the ground by Baylor's $$$$ men/brown-noses at that time, don't forget our AD at that time - Sweet Tom Stanton. It did not matter how bad those years, coaches and AD were, we had an abundance of posters on BaylorFans defending the indefensible.

I was correct about those 4 and I remember taking heat for posting the TRUTH. This gave birth to the original charter members of the Baylor Bear Limp-Wrist/Pencil Neck Society. Some of them are here today posting away.
"So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains And we never even know we have the key"
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hodedofome said:

1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.


Leach was the bigger loss in terms of "never returning to that level" yet. We at least had 2021 plus a few more CCG appearances.

But honestly, nothing is more of a whiplash than how mediocre UT was after firing Mack Brown. All that money, and they produced absolutely nothing for a decade. It wasn't so much that Mack was amazing, it's that they completely botched the replacements.
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Thee University said:

Daveisabovereproach said:

Robert Wilson said:

pitchspork said:

hodedofome said:

1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.


Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?


We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.




What I've learned about Baylor is that if any coach has even one successful season, they immediately get a cult following that is both rabid and permanent. It isn't just briles that has one, Aranda has one as well, that's the funny thing
The most hilarious of all were the Einsteins that brown-nosed Chuck Reedy & Kevin Steele. I was branded Lucifer himself for about 10 years for posting the TRUTH about our black eyes administered by those coaches. While Reedy, Roberts & Steele were being lifted off the ground by Baylor's $$$$ men/brown-noses at that time, don't forget our AD at that time - Sweet Tom Stanton. It did not matter how bad those years, coaches and AD were, we had an abundance of posters on BaylorFans defending the indefensible.

I was correct about those 4 and I remember taking heat for posting the TRUTH. This gave birth to the original charter members of the Baylor Bear Limp-Wrist/Pencil Neck Society. Some of them are here today posting away.


Roberts and Steele made Reedy look like Vince Lombardi.
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pitchspork said:

hodedofome said:

1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.


Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?

no
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Robert Wilson said:

pitchspork said:

hodedofome said:

1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.


Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?


We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.




Succinctly and well said
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IowaBear said:

I thought they had more success under Pelini ? Could absolutely be wrong on that.
I just meant that Solich had a .750 winning percentage and was fired after a 9-3 season (his previous season was 7-7 -- I still don't understand how they played 13 regular season games with no championship game). He won more games during his tenure than Devaney or Osborne did in six years. Because they weren't winning 12 games every single year, they canned him and have never been back to the Osborne days since.

But you're right. Pellini never won less than nine games a season his entire time there and still got fired. Nebraska is so ****ing weird.
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If you want to get technical, Solich was fired after a 10-3 season. They went 9-3 in the regular season, he got fired, and then they won their bowl game. I cannot think of another coach fired for performance reasons fresh off a double digit win season.
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