Mitch Blood Green said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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The national media better hold Justin Herbert accountable for his playoff performances like they do to Lamar Jackson and Dak Prescott.

— Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) January 12, 2025

I assume the above is what you're talking about. If so, I fail to see how this is stepping in it.

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Jackson is a perennial MVP candidate, Herbert isn't. RGIII? More like CTEIII. This was an embarrassing attempt to generate controversy and RGIII should feel embarrassed for posting it.

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Jackson gets criticism for not being "quaterbacky"

(19) Kevin Oestreicher on X: "Mike Florio goes in on playoff Lamar Jackson "Lamar Jackson has a history of failing in the postseason. When Lamar Jackson tries to talk his way out of his history, he only puts more pressure on himself…You will feel the pressure, oh yes you will" https://t.co/rtZBao1Jsk" / X

He keeps losing to Mahommes and team. He's Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing.

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Who were both all-time greats. Just like Dan Marino in the NFL.

Winning a championship (or multiple championships in the case of a blessed few) is great. It's not the only standard of success in professional sports.

bear2be2 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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The national media better hold Justin Herbert accountable for his playoff performances like they do to Lamar Jackson and Dak Prescott.

— Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) January 12, 2025

I assume the above is what you're talking about. If so, I fail to see how this is stepping in it.

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Jackson is a perennial MVP candidate, Herbert isn't. RGIII? More like CTEIII. This was an embarrassing attempt to generate controversy and RGIII should feel embarrassed for posting it.

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If you don't think there has been a widespread narrative in the media that Lamar Jackson is a playoff choker, you haven't been paying attention.

And Griffin played with Jackson in Baltimore, so there's likely more to this than skin color in that case.

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You're responding to an argument that I never made. The playoff choker label is well deserved.

Let's try this again, Jackson is a TWO TIME NFL MVP. So yeah, more will be expected of him. My point stands.

Robert Wilson said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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He keeps losing to Mahommes and team. He's Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing.

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They played once in the playoffs.

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I think the point is neither of them could ever crack through vs the Celtics, Pistons, or Bulls.

Those Pacers teams struck me as among the best to never get to a championship series. I liked Reggie Miller. I quite enjoyed watching the Knicks never break through.

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Alright, I'll be that guy.

Indiana actually made it to the NBA Finals in 2000. Lost to the Lakers in 6 games.

LTBear19 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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He keeps losing to Mahommes and team. He's Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing.

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They played once in the playoffs.

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I think the point is neither of them could ever crack through vs the Celtics, Pistons, or Bulls.

Those Pacers teams struck me as among the best to never get to a championship series. I liked Reggie Miller. I quite enjoyed watching the Knicks never break through.

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Alright, I'll be that guy.

Indiana actually made it to the NBA Finals in 2000. Lost to the Lakers in 6 games.

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Yeah, I forgot about that. They did get out of the east one time. so basically Dan Marino.

BellCountyBear said:

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I haven't cared about RGIII a lick since he played for Baylor. I appreciate all he did to improve the program. I'm weird that way.

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I'd give you 25 stars but the system won't let me.

BluesBear said:

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I always find it funny when someone like RG3 makes those comments and they are married to a white person. He might want to check his own post season stats as well before he's starts yapping.

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Yup. Heisman winning multi millionaire in his mid-30s with two "white prizes" yet still making some head scratching comments. Perhaps he's just not too bright?

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GodleyBear said:

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Sorry, i thought it posted his comment.
Yep, well he's getting torched because of it.
But if you agree with where he's going with it, that's fine too.
He just seems to say things every once in a while that seem a little off.
Still a fan.

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Torched by grifting outrage merchants like Clay Travis and Jason Whitlock. Who cares?

His point is a fair one.

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Just because you don't like/agree with calling out playing the race card doesn't make people who do "grifting outrage merchants" any more than those who race bait are "grifting outrage merchants".

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Anyone whose content and engagement is driven primarily off marketing hot takes on the words and actions of others to a specific tribe -- most often on a partisan basis -- is a grifter. Unfortunately, there's a lot of money to be made in reinforcing the opinions of deeply tribal people. And those tribal people are often too partisan and/or gullible to know they're marks.

But Clay Travis and Jamele Hill are the opposite side of the exact same coin. And together, they -- and people like them -- are tearing our country apart.

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They aren't a cause. They are symptoms.

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GodleyBear said:

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Sorry, i thought it posted his comment.
Yep, well he's getting torched because of it.
But if you agree with where he's going with it, that's fine too.
He just seems to say things every once in a while that seem a little off.
Still a fan.

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Torched by grifting outrage merchants like Clay Travis and Jason Whitlock. Who cares?

His point is a fair one.

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Just because you don't like/agree with calling out playing the race card doesn't make people who do "grifting outrage merchants" any more than those who race bait are "grifting outrage merchants".

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Anyone whose content and engagement is driven primarily off marketing hot takes on the words and actions of others to a specific tribe -- most often on a partisan basis -- is a grifter. Unfortunately, there's a lot of money to be made in reinforcing the opinions of deeply tribal people. And those tribal people are often too partisan and/or gullible to know they're marks.

But Clay Travis and Jamele Hill are the opposite side of the exact same coin. And together, they -- and people like them -- are tearing our country apart.

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They aren't a cause. They are symptoms.

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They're opportunists profiting off manufactured and perpetuated outrage. It's vile.

CaliBear00 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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The national media better hold Justin Herbert accountable for his playoff performances like they do to Lamar Jackson and Dak Prescott.

— Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) January 12, 2025

I assume the above is what you're talking about. If so, I fail to see how this is stepping in it.

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Jackson is a perennial MVP candidate, Herbert isn't. RGIII? More like CTEIII. This was an embarrassing attempt to generate controversy and RGIII should feel embarrassed for posting it.

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If you don't think there has been a widespread narrative in the media that Lamar Jackson is a playoff choker, you haven't been paying attention.

And Griffin played with Jackson in Baltimore, so there's likely more to this than skin color in that case.

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You're responding to an argument that I never made. The playoff choker label is well deserved.

Let's try this again, Jackson is a TWO TIME NFL MVP. So yeah, more will be expected of him. My point stands.

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OK, now keep that same energy for Justin Herbert, who has accomplished a fraction of what Lamar Jackson has in the NFL. Which ... coincidentally ... is Griffin's point that has so many here in a tizzy.

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Sorry, i thought it posted his comment.
Yep, well he's getting torched because of it.
But if you agree with where he's going with it, that's fine too.
He just seems to say things every once in a while that seem a little off.
Still a fan.

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Torched by grifting outrage merchants like Clay Travis and Jason Whitlock. Who cares?

His point is a fair one.

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Just because you don't like/agree with calling out playing the race card doesn't make people who do "grifting outrage merchants" any more than those who race bait are "grifting outrage merchants".

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Anyone whose content and engagement is driven primarily off marketing hot takes on the words and actions of others to a specific tribe -- most often on a partisan basis -- is a grifter. Unfortunately, there's a lot of money to be made in reinforcing the opinions of deeply tribal people. And those tribal people are often too partisan and/or gullible to know they're marks.

But Clay Travis and Jamele Hill are the opposite side of the exact same coin. And together, they -- and people like them -- are tearing our country apart.

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They aren't a cause. They are symptoms.

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They're opportunists profiting off manufactured and perpetuated outrage. It's vile.

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They may be profiting, but I would posit that it isn't manufactured. There are very real and deep divisions that have been developing for decades that have nothing to do with social media.

Never thought RG3 would be so desperate for clicks as to play the race card.

He made a point. You don't like it…….it's ok…for you.

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I always find it funny when someone like RG3 makes those comments and they are married to a white person. He might want to check his own post season stats as well before he's starts yapping.

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Yup. Heisman winning multi millionaire in his mid-30s with two "white prizes" yet still making some head scratching comments. Perhaps he's just not too bright?

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He definitely didn't have two prizes, that's why he threw the one back.

Lamar Jackson's playoff record is 2 - 4.
Dak Prescott's playoff record is 2 - 5.

Herbert's playoff record is 0 - 2. He's only been there twice compared to their 6-7 times. Maybe that's why he's not being perceived as equally "getting his". Besides, I don't think these latest headlines:

"Justn Herbert failed his latest big-time playoff moments"
"Justin Herbert accused of facing 'put up or shut up' 2025 season after playoff flop"
"Is Los Angeles Chargers' Justin Herbert overrated after brutal playoff loss?

are necessarily letting him off the hook. I think people need to take off their racially tinged glasses. What we have here is a bunch of hammers looking at everthing as a nail.

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Lamar Jackson's playoff record is 2 - 4.
Dak Prescott's playoff record is 2 - 5.

Herbert's playoff record is 0 - 2. He's only been there twice compared to their 6-7 times. Maybe that's why he's not being perceived as equally "getting his". Besides, I don't think these latest headlines:

"Justn Herbert failed his latest big-time playoff moments"
"Justin Herbert accused of facing 'put up or shut up' 2025 season after playoff flop"
"Is Los Angeles Chargers' Justin Herbert overrated after brutal playoff loss?

are necessarily letting him off the hook. I think people need to take off their racially tinged glasses. What we have here is a bunch of hammers looking at everthing as a nail.

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Lamar Jackson is 3-4. He beat Pittsburgh the other night and has now won a playoff game in each of his last three completed seasons. Not great. But not dismal either.

And he's been really good in his last three playoff starts, which have netted two wins and a 103.1 passer rating.

I think the frustration is that it's taken the same pundits five years to reach a conclusion on Herbert that they arrived at (likely erroneously) after three on Jackson.

And playing in five fewer playoff games in the same number of completed seasons is hardly a valid excuse, when the two players are heavily involved in determining how many playoff games their respective teams play, whether that's by making the playoffs or winning in them.

I don't care about the racial element. Take it out if it makes you feel better. The way Lamar Jackson has been talked about is stupid. Straight up.

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RG3 is in the media business, which is the "pay attention to me" business. In that business, the only thing worse than bad publicity is no publicity.

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Media hot takes are getting dumber and dumber. Rex Ryan said that the Texans/Chargers playoff game would be like a BYE week for the Chargers. We see how that turned out. Does Rex Ryan care? No. He got a lot of attention out of it. Thing is, the media folks really don't care if they look stupid. Stupid still gets attention, and that's all that matters. The fact that we are talking about it on this message board tells me that RGIII accomplished what he wanted to with that tweet.

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Lamar Jackson's playoff record is 2 - 4.
Dak Prescott's playoff record is 2 - 5.

Herbert's playoff record is 0 - 2. He's only been there twice compared to their 6-7 times. Maybe that's why he's not being perceived as equally "getting his". Besides, I don't think these latest headlines:

"Justn Herbert failed his latest big-time playoff moments"
"Justin Herbert accused of facing 'put up or shut up' 2025 season after playoff flop"
"Is Los Angeles Chargers' Justin Herbert overrated after brutal playoff loss?

are necessarily letting him off the hook. I think people need to take off their racially tinged glasses. What we have here is a bunch of hammers looking at everthing as a nail.

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Lamar Jackson is 3-4. He beat Pittsburgh the other night and has now won a playoff game in each of his last three completed seasons. Not great. But not dismal either.

And he's been really good in his last three playoff starts, which have netted two wins and a 103.1 passer rating.

I think the frustration is that it's taken the same pundits five years to reach a conclusion on Herbert that they arrived at (likely erroneously) after three on Jackson.

And playing in five fewer playoff games in the same number of completed seasons is hardly a valid excuse, when the two players are heavily involved in determining how many playoff games their respective teams play, whether that's by making the playoffs or winning in them.

I don't care about the racial element. Take it out if it makes you feel better. The way Lamar Jackson has been talked about is stupid. Straight up.

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When the quarterback gets their team to the playoffs more, it creates more expectations. When you don't deliver, you disappoint more. It's not an "excuse" at all, it's a fact of human nature.

Taking out the racial element and just saying the criticism against Jackson is stupid - THAT's the better take. That's what RGIII should have said instead of implying racism. How do we even know racism is involved? Is there some objective way to measure all this from the comments from pundits? And how much of the criticism came from white pundits vs. black ones? Is the criticism towards Dak Prescott equally distributed as racism against whites AND blacks since he is of mixed race?

We need less Jemelle Hill's and Sunny Hostin's in this world, the ones who make a career out of racial resentment and division. We need more people like the head coach of Notre Dame who deflects all of that. I would rather see RGIII, perhaps our greatest football ambassador, be part of the latter.

Oh.... I guess I better add Al Sharpton along with Hill and Hostin in case someone will see me as being misogynistic! **Add: Oh wait, now they're all black. Now I'm screwed!

A race card was played? What was it?

BellCountyBear said:

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I haven't cared about RGIII a lick since he played for Baylor. I appreciate all he did to improve the program. I'm weird that way.

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So you only care about what people can do for you, but otherwise you don't give a **** about them? Interesting.

Waco1947 said:

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A race card was played? What was it?

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I can explain it to ya, but can't understand it fer ya!!!!

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bear2be2 said:

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The national media better hold Justin Herbert accountable for his playoff performances like they do to Lamar Jackson and Dak Prescott.

— Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) January 12, 2025

I assume the above is what you're talking about. If so, I fail to see how this is stepping in it.

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He insinuated that Justin Herbert was not subject to the same playoff performance scrutiny as Lamar Jackson or Dak Prescott, simply because Herbert is white.

All the while completely ignoring the spectacular performance of Houston QB C.J. Stroud.

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He hasn't been held to the same level of scrutiny.

He's still talked about as a top quarterback despite only leading his team to the playoffs twice in five years and ****ting the bed both times.

Dak and Lamar Jackson's limitations are talked about endlessly -- especially this time of year -- and they've both been objectively better than he has both in the regular season and postseason.

I'm not a big hot take guy, but his point was a perfectly fair one.

And CJ Stroud is in his second year as an NFL player and has already overachieved all reasonable expectations for him out of the draft. He hasn't had time to build a track record, and that which he has built has been positive. Frankly the expectation that he even be included in this discussion is absurd.

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Lamar Jackson is a lock for the NFL Hall of Fame. Dak Prescott will enter the Hall right behind Tony Romo. The jury is still out on Justin Herbert. RGIII was a spectacular college football player, but will never enter the NFL Hall of Fame. It is what it is.

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BellCountyBear said:

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I haven't cared about RGIII a lick since he played for Baylor. I appreciate all he did to improve the program. I'm weird that way.

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So you only care about what people can do for you, but otherwise you don't give a **** about them? Interesting.

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That's a goofy take. I haven't taken much interest in his personal or professional life since he played at Baylor good or bad. But then I don't obsess over celebrities at all.

He played a card…..probably the race card. He can do that if he feels like it. He may think it's reasonable, and it may be.

But to say he's been married to "two white prizes" so he needs to shut the hell up is way worse, by many times over, than his comments.