Apparently many P4 schools were planning to devote 80% to 85% of the $20.5 million revenue to football players.

It'll be interesting to see how this impacts those plans. Of course...with a new incoming administration things could certainly change again.

Realitybites said:

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If things go as they should, four years from now we won't have a Department of Ed to make such proclamations.

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Don't hold your breath.

That's so stupid

Realitybites said:

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If things go as they should, four years from now we won't have a Department of Ed to make such proclamations.

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Even if that were to happen (unlikely), it does nothing to change the fact that Title IX is established law. Meaning that this would all still be decided in court. Any way you slice it, "the settlement" is toothless nonsense, as I always suspected.

bear2be2 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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That's so stupid

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What's stupid is these conferences and schools thinking they could make hundreds of millions of dollars in "amateur sports" and there would be no repercussions.

Interscholastic athletics don't work as a for-profit enterprise. Any "solution" they arrive at at this point will introduce dozens of other issues and conflicts.

Put plainly, unchecked greed killed college athletics.

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Like at UT?

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bear2be2 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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That's so stupid

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What's stupid is these conferences and schools thinking they could make hundreds of millions of dollars in "amateur sports" and there would be no repercussions.

Interscholastic athletics don't work as a for-profit enterprise. Any "solution" they arrive at at this point will introduce dozens of other issues and conflicts.

Put plainly, unchecked greed killed college athletics.

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I agree with that, but kids who are playing sports that lose money should be really happy with a free scholarship, room, and board. And the idea that you have to spread the money around from the people who are making it to the ones who aren't is another version of the problem we had before.

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The issue is still with the schools. You don't get to pay these players hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars and claim they're not employees.

As long as they're not employees, that money will (understandably) be viewed legally as "athletic financial assistance" and, as such, be subject to Title IX.

This is a quagmire. There is no solution.

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bear2be2 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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That's so stupid

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What's stupid is these conferences and schools thinking they could make hundreds of millions of dollars in "amateur sports" and there would be no repercussions.

Interscholastic athletics don't work as a for-profit enterprise. Any "solution" they arrive at at this point will introduce dozens of other issues and conflicts.

Put plainly, unchecked greed killed college athletics.

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I agree with that, but kids who are playing sports that lose money should be really happy with a free scholarship, room, and board. And the idea that you have to spread the money around from the people who are making it to the ones who aren't is another version of the problem we had before.

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I agree.

But I would also point out that at many schools athletes in some of the smaller sports don't get full ride scholarships.

Even at Baylor. Take track and field for example. Not all of them get full scholarships. Some get partial or none at all.

So at least give them that to start with.

Perhaps if they are getting paid they no longer need scholarships on top of their pay, especially if the small sports are going to make a ton of money to make it "equal" to football.

Pleasantly surprised at the reasonableness of the discussion here. When I first saw this news, my thought was BF is probably in meltdown.

Another reason schools need to figure out the employee model, and quickly. Continuing to pigeonhole everything into the amateurism rules is like trying to put Melissa McCarthy into a size 0 swimsuit.

bear2be2 said:

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This is a quagmire. There is no solution.

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Solution? Go DIII, I guess.

(Looking at you, UMHB)

Will this prevent a big time football player from getting a legit NIL deal with some company ... like a mustard company?

So if a ut player like Manning gets $1M for EASports (or whatever he gets) does a girl on the rowing team now also have to get a $1M deal?

If so, this is the dumbest thing ever. And I have a full scholarship college athlete daughter.

I agree that this discussion thread is well-focused and not hijacked by invective.

There are TWO sets of laws that Congress must address:

• The provisions granting antitrust exemptions to professional sports but not college sports
• The provisions involving Title IX requirements.

Fixing just one of them won't be enough.

Married A Horn said:

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Will this prevent a big time football player from getting a legit NIL deal with some company ... like a mustard company?

So if a ut player like Manning gets $1M for EASports (or whatever he gets) does a girl on the rowing team now also have to get a $1M deal?

If so, this is the dumbest thing ever. And I have a full scholarship college athlete daughter.

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I'm no expert...but my understanding is those individual deals that athletes make with companies to be sponsors are outside of this discussion.

This is about revenue sharing. The individual licensing deals are outside of that.

BearlyBeloved said:

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I agree that this discussion thread is well-focused and not hijacked by invective.

There are TWO sets of laws that Congress must address:

• The provisions granting antitrust exemptions to professional sports but not college sports
• The provisions involving Title IX requirements.

Fixing just one of them won't be enough.

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And fixing both in a way that's sustainable and passes legal muster likely threatens the financial viability and/or tax exempt status of the universities sponsoring these sports.

That's why there have been so few proactive solutions proposed to address the myriad issues college athletics are currently facing. There are way too many competing interests to create one that accounts for all of the pertinent factors and satisfies all interested parties. Everyone is just waiting for someone else to fix this, and the result has been chaos.

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Married A Horn said:

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Will this prevent a big time football player from getting a legit NIL deal with some company ... like a mustard company?

So if a ut player like Manning gets $1M for EASports (or whatever he gets) does a girl on the rowing team now also have to get a $1M deal?

If so, this is the dumbest thing ever. And I have a full scholarship college athlete daughter.

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I'm no expert...but my understanding is those individual deals that athletes make with companies to be sponsors are outside of this discussion.

This is about revenue sharing. The individual licensing deals are outside of that.

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Ok. I'm a lot more okay with that then.

boognish_bear said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Will this prevent a big time football player from getting a legit NIL deal with some company ... like a mustard company?

So if a ut player like Manning gets $1M for EASports (or whatever he gets) does a girl on the rowing team now also have to get a $1M deal?

If so, this is the dumbest thing ever. And I have a full scholarship college athlete daughter.

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I'm no expert...but my understanding is those individual deals that athletes make with companies to be sponsors are outside of this discussion.

This is about revenue sharing. The individual licensing deals are outside of that.

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That is my understanding as well.

This sounds like what they are saying is that if a university does revenue sharing or calls the players employees the pay must be split fairly. Sort of the same way you have to split scholarships so that there are equal amounts for women and men.

But even then I think there are ways universities can get around it just like they do for all other employees. They don't pay a custodian or groundskeeper the same as a first year professor or a dean or president.

Something similar could happen for sports and even some getting extra for something like "hazard pay" but I doubt any solution like that would allow for the athletes of the money making sports to get the amount they should.

Separate athletics from academics.

Spin off the major earning sports into separate businesses where players are not students - they are employees.

Then you don't have to deal with the DOE or Title IX at all.

If I were a football player I would not be happy about this at all. 'My abilities and hard work are being used to give another person $ that didnt earn it.'

Socialism 100%. Wonder how long it will last. Alabama & ut players wont tolerate it for long when they are paid the same as women's rowing.

Married A Horn said:

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If I were a football player I would not be happy about this at all. 'My abilities and hard work are being used to give another person $ that didnt earn it.'

Socialism 100%. Wonder how long it will last. Alabama & ut players wont tolerate it for long when they are paid the same as women's rowing.

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Where was this energy when the schools were making hundreds of millions of dollars off their efforts and they were getting scholarships and swag in return?

That's the root cause of this issue. College athletics were never intended to be a money-making venture. The schools made it one. And now they can't get the toothpaste back in the tube.

bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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If I were a football player I would not be happy about this at all. 'My abilities and hard work are being used to give another person $ that didnt earn it.'

Socialism 100%. Wonder how long it will last. Alabama & ut players wont tolerate it for long when they are paid the same as women's rowing.

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Where was this energy when the schools were making hundreds of millions of dollars off their efforts and they were getting scholarships and swag in return?

That's the root cause of this issue. College athletics were never intended to be a money-making venture. The schools made it one. And now they can't get the toothpaste back in the tube.

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They fought the system as they could; most of the time under the table. Once the stakes got high enough, they went to work and finally broke down the barrier.

The stakes werent always this high.

Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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If I were a football player I would not be happy about this at all. 'My abilities and hard work are being used to give another person $ that didnt earn it.'

Socialism 100%. Wonder how long it will last. Alabama & ut players wont tolerate it for long when they are paid the same as women's rowing.

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Where was this energy when the schools were making hundreds of millions of dollars off their efforts and they were getting scholarships and swag in return?

That's the root cause of this issue. College athletics were never intended to be a money-making venture. The schools made it one. And now they can't get the toothpaste back in the tube.

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They fought the system as they could; most of the time under the table. Once the stakes got high enough, they went to work and finally broke down the barrier.

The stakes werent always this high.

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TV money ruined the sport. Plain and simple.

You can't infuse that type of money, influence and obvious conflicts of interests into an amateur sport and keep it an amateur sport.

The schools' individual and collective greed killed college athletics as we knew them. And at this point, they're well are on their way to killing college athletics altogether.

It's going to be pretty wild when these hundred million dollar football and basketball palaces look like something from Omega Man here in a couple of decades. But that's not out of the realm of possibility.

I've been posting for three years that Title IX will kill NIL.

No one is sharing revenue with women's sports that no one cares about.

NIL will get shut down and payments will go back underground.

Honestly, women's sports are pointless and should be completely shut down at the college level along with most other men's sports like golf, tennis, etc. No one cares about women's sports - it's just a stupid waste of money that is another waste of money caused by our idiotic government.

Married A Horn said:

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If I were a football player I would not be happy about this at all. 'My abilities and hard work are being used to give another person $ that didnt earn it.'

Socialism 100%. Wonder how long it will last. Alabama & ut players wont tolerate it for long when they are paid the same as women's rowing.

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Interesting bit of trivia: men's collegiate rowing exists outside of the NCAA as its rowing association has roots that preceded the formation of the NCAA.

Our daughter was a successful (but undersized) high school rower who wanted to row at a D1 level. She was able to secure several partial scholarship offers, but a full ride was never going to be in the cards for her. Ultimately she rowed all 4 years of college and graduated with honors. Worked like a dog pretty much year round for relatively little. Like to believe she learned great life lessons both in the classroom and on the water. Amateur sport at its best. We are now in a different universe when it comes to money and compensation. Sad.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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I've been posting for three years that Title IX will kill NIL.

No one is sharing revenue with women's sports that no one cares about.

NIL will get shut down and payments will go back underground.

Honestly, women's sports are pointless and should be completely shut down at the college level along with most other men's sports like golf, tennis, etc. No one cares about women's sports - it's just a stupid waste of money that is another waste of money caused by our idiotic government.

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College athletic departments aren't businesses, and they don't exist for your enjoyment or to bolster TV companies' profit margins.

If these schools want to run themselves like companies, they can be treated and taxed like companies.

Otherwise, all the sports you're trashing right now and trying to wish out of existence are the ones doing things the right way and operating as they were meant to.

curtpenn said:

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Married A Horn said:

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If I were a football player I would not be happy about this at all. 'My abilities and hard work are being used to give another person $ that didnt earn it.'

Socialism 100%. Wonder how long it will last. Alabama & ut players wont tolerate it for long when they are paid the same as women's rowing.

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Interesting bit of trivia: men's collegiate rowing exists outside of the NCAA as its rowing association has roots that preceded the formation of the NCAA.

Our daughter was a successful (but undersized) high school rower who wanted to row at a D1 level. She was able to secure several partial scholarship offers, but a full ride was never going to be in the cards for her. Ultimately she rowed all 4 years of college and graduated with honors. Worked like a dog pretty much year round for relatively little. Like to believe she learned great life lessons both in the classroom and on the water. Amateur sport at its best. We are now in a different universe when it comes to money and compensation. Sad.

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And that experience -- which matches that of most college athletes, I would imagine -- is worth preserving.

If unchecked greed by all parties in football and men's basketball ruins that, it will be a bad thing societally.

Well, wait until January 22nd, DOE won't exist...

bear2be2 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I've been posting for three years that Title IX will kill NIL.

No one is sharing revenue with women's sports that no one cares about.

NIL will get shut down and payments will go back underground.

Honestly, women's sports are pointless and should be completely shut down at the college level along with most other men's sports like golf, tennis, etc. No one cares about women's sports - it's just a stupid waste of money that is another waste of money caused by our idiotic government.

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College athletic departments aren't businesses, and they don't exist for your enjoyment or to bolster TV companies' profit margins.

If these schools want to run themselves like companies, they can be treated and taxed like companies.

Otherwise, all the sports you're trashing right now and trying to wish out of existence are the ones doing things the right way and operating as they were meant to.

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Unfortunately we can't give negative stars for the post to which you were responding.

If your sport doesnt generate revenue, you shouldn't be a part of any revenue sharing.

I'm now of the opinion college football needs to be spun off from the colleges to get away from Title IX. (This will help all the lesser men's sports - the real losers to Title IX.)

Married A Horn said:

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If your sport doesnt generate revenue, you shouldn't be a part of any revenue sharing.

I'm now of the opinion college football needs to be spun off from the colleges to get away from Title IX. (This will help all the lesser men's sports - the real losers to Title IX.)

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I agree. If you are not a revenue generator, you DO NOT get paid. Seems pretty simple.

Married A Horn said:

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If your sport doesnt generate revenue, you shouldn't be a part of any revenue sharing.

I'm now of the opinion college football needs to be spun off from the colleges to get away from Title IX. (This will help all the lesser men's sports - the real losers to Title IX.)

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College football spun off from the colleges is just bad minor league football. It's a worse UFL.

Without the colleges and their built-in fan bases, college football isn't profitable.