It's not the X's and the O's, but the Jimmys and the Joes that make the difference.

I just think spending money on better players is a smarter way to spend money versus giving CMR an extension.

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Definitely not in the camp as many posters on here. But it's absolutely fair to question how good Rhule is outside of building programs back up.
This is yet another example of why I'm not convinced Rhule is the very good coach you call him. At some point you have to beat teams you aren't supposed too ( ranked teams) Rhule simply doesn't do that. How many passes does the guy get for not delivering in these big matchups

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It's fair to question Rhule's ability to win those games, but last night's loss wasn't a result of having his team prepared or ready to play. They led the whole way until Raiola went down and they were forced to play a freshman who couldn't throw. That injury completely changed that game.

It still goes down as a loss, and it's a coach's job to have a competent backup quarterback, but there were some extenuating circumstances in that loss.

Fair analysis but the haters don't care.

As I said above that was a huge opportunity to get one last night.

And as I said above that keeps him from being in the category of a great coach. Just a good one.

He has lost 19 straight games to ranked opponents.

Buyout leapt to $71 million this week.

He gets a pass from me for this one though after losing Raiola. https://t.co/ijOpX7NJRk

— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) November 2, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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He has lost 19 straight games to ranked opponents.

Buyout leapt to $71 million this week.

He gets a pass from me for this one though after losing Raiola. https://t.co/ijOpX7NJRk

— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) November 2, 2025

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I watched the whole game. They likely win that one if Raiola stays upright.

But Raiola got hurt holding onto the ball way too long and being a completely immobile slug, which have been problems for him his entire career.

Broken fibula for Raiola.

Chuckroast said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Y'all are just silly.. Rhule Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe Nebraska would like Scott Frost back?

That was a hella performance by him in Waco yesterday.

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Rhule is remembered for that one magical season. It's true we had a great record, but we were not a dominant team. We never beat a ranked opponent, won a bunch of very close games some of which were against teams without their starting QB if I am remembering correctly, and that was probably the weakest Big 12 conference in memory - it was so down that year. Our team was manhandled by Georgia's 2nd string in a game that meant everything to us and very little to them. We had a good team with a great record. They were more indicative of 9-4 or 8-5 team in a normal year of competition.

Rhule is remembered as a conference championship coach my so many because of one single year where all the stars were aligned and yet we still didn't win the championship.

Recruiting was not elevated after that season, and he got out while the getting was good. To me, his tenure was a letdown after the Briles years … but that was obviously not all on him. He was a good coach, but I wasn't disappointed when we parted ways.

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we went to OT with Tech (4-8) and TCU (5-7) and only beat WVU (5-7) 17 to 14.

We were far from dominant but you're a hater if you point that out, lmao.

Bearknuckle said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Y'all are just silly.. Rhule Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe Nebraska would like Scott Frost back?

That was a hella performance by him in Waco yesterday.

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Rhule is remembered for that one magical season. It's true we had a great record, but we were not a dominant team. We never beat a ranked opponent, won a bunch of very close games some of which were against teams without their starting QB if I am remembering correctly, and that was probably the weakest Big 12 conference in memory - it was so down that year. Our team was manhandled by Georgia's 2nd string in a game that meant everything to us and very little to them. We had a good team with a great record. They were more indicative of 9-4 or 8-5 team in a normal year of competition.

Rhule is remembered as a conference championship coach my so many because of one single year where all the stars were aligned and yet we still didn't win the championship.

Recruiting was not elevated after that season, and he got out while the getting was good. To me, his tenure was a letdown after the Briles years … but that was obviously not all on him. He was a good coach, but I wasn't disappointed when we parted ways.

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we went to OT with Tech (4-8) and TCU (5-7) and only beat WVU (5-7) 17 to 14.

We were far from dominant but you're a hater if you point that out, lmao.

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We also beat the **** out of Kansas State and Oklahoma State on the road, smothered Texas in Waco and lost two games to a top-10 Oklahoma team by a combined 10 points, but those things are consistently ignored by those who try to push a silly narrative that every win was a nailbiter and we weren't actually good that season.

bear2be2 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Y'all are just silly.. Rhule Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe Nebraska would like Scott Frost back?

That was a hella performance by him in Waco yesterday.

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Rhule is remembered for that one magical season. It's true we had a great record, but we were not a dominant team. We never beat a ranked opponent, won a bunch of very close games some of which were against teams without their starting QB if I am remembering correctly, and that was probably the weakest Big 12 conference in memory - it was so down that year. Our team was manhandled by Georgia's 2nd string in a game that meant everything to us and very little to them. We had a good team with a great record. They were more indicative of 9-4 or 8-5 team in a normal year of competition.

Rhule is remembered as a conference championship coach my so many because of one single year where all the stars were aligned and yet we still didn't win the championship.

Recruiting was not elevated after that season, and he got out while the getting was good. To me, his tenure was a letdown after the Briles years … but that was obviously not all on him. He was a good coach, but I wasn't disappointed when we parted ways.

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we went to OT with Tech (4-8) and TCU (5-7) and only beat WVU (5-7) 17 to 14.

We were far from dominant but you're a hater if you point that out, lmao.

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We also beat the **** out of Kansas State and Oklahoma State on the road, smothered Texas in Waco and lost two games to a top-10 Oklahoma team by a combined 10 points, but those things are consistently ignored by those who try to push a silly narrative that every win was a nailbiter and we weren't actually good that season.

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I will give you that Rhule is an above average coach, but he still did not beat a ranked team that year. We went to the Cotton Bowl not beating 1 ranked team. Would you cut Aranda the same slack?

I don't think he has to worry about cutting Dave slack. We aren't reaching Cotton Bowl.

Dia del DougO said:

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Matt is a good football coach.

He's far from an elite football coach.

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No one looks elite coaching at Temple and resurrecting a scandal-ridden program with looming NCAA penalties like 2017 Baylor. Come on.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't think he has to worry about cutting Dave slack. We aren't reaching Cotton Bowl.

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Well, Sugar Bowl then...


Don't get me wrong, I think Aranda is at the wrong school. He needs to be at an Academy where other things count just as much. But, Rhule was not much better, 1 good year, 1 bad year and Bolt. Yet he is a darling to this group.

CaliBear00 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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Matt is a good football coach.

He's far from an elite football coach.

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No one looks elite coaching at Temple and resurrecting a scandal-ridden program with looming NCAA penalties like 2017 Baylor. Come on.

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Let's hear about Nebraska, what reason? Then Penn State, has to undo the Franklin damage? There is always a reason to lose. Ask others, outside of Baylor fans, about Aranda and they believe he is the right fit and level of success for this school and location. There are always reasons.

FLBear5630 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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Matt is a good football coach.

He's far from an elite football coach.

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No one looks elite coaching at Temple and resurrecting a scandal-ridden program with looming NCAA penalties like 2017 Baylor. Come on.

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Ask others, outside of Baylor fans, about Aranda and they believe he is the right fit and level of success for this school and location. There are always reasons.

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Except that Art Briles and Matt Rhule proved that isn't true.

bear2be2 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Y'all are just silly.. Rhule Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe Nebraska would like Scott Frost back?

That was a hella performance by him in Waco yesterday.

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Rhule is remembered for that one magical season. It's true we had a great record, but we were not a dominant team. We never beat a ranked opponent, won a bunch of very close games some of which were against teams without their starting QB if I am remembering correctly, and that was probably the weakest Big 12 conference in memory - it was so down that year. Our team was manhandled by Georgia's 2nd string in a game that meant everything to us and very little to them. We had a good team with a great record. They were more indicative of 9-4 or 8-5 team in a normal year of competition.

Rhule is remembered as a conference championship coach my so many because of one single year where all the stars were aligned and yet we still didn't win the championship.

Recruiting was not elevated after that season, and he got out while the getting was good. To me, his tenure was a letdown after the Briles years … but that was obviously not all on him. He was a good coach, but I wasn't disappointed when we parted ways.

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we went to OT with Tech (4-8) and TCU (5-7) and only beat WVU (5-7) 17 to 14.

We were far from dominant but you're a hater if you point that out, lmao.

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We also beat the **** out of Kansas State and Oklahoma State on the road, smothered Texas in Waco and lost two games to a top-10 Oklahoma team by a combined 10 points, but those things are consistently ignored by those who try to push a silly narrative that every win was a nailbiter and we weren't actually good that season.

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lmao of course we were Good. And I never said "every win" was a nailbiter. But at least three were nailbiters against garbage teams, that's not even debatable lol.

The 2019 Bears weren't Great - but they were a Good team with really good luck and overall a weak schedule. To revisit those "beat the **** out of" games:

• Kansas State was actually Good that year too, but their QB1 was already banged up and we hurt him worse and they lost their best WR in the 1st Half. Call that 'just football' if you want - that's the point: Sometimes You eat the Bear, and sometimes the Bear eats You.
• Oklahoma State was also Good that year too, but they had TO machine Spencer Sanders at the helm - with 9 minutes left in the 4th we were 'only' up by 4pts. It took Sander imploding epically to get us to the apparent blowout win.

I've yet to see more than a couple of true Rhule haters - the guy who thinks he intentionally went 1-11 to make the rebuild more dramatic comes to mind - but I've seen lots of Rhule glazers. And anyone who won't join in the glazefest is a 'hater'. lol ok sure.

CaliBear00 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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Matt is a good football coach.

He's far from an elite football coach.

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No one looks elite coaching at Temple and resurrecting a scandal-ridden program with looming NCAA penalties like 2017 Baylor. Come on.

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Ask others, outside of Baylor fans, about Aranda and they believe he is the right fit and level of success for this school and location. There are always reasons.

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Except that Art Briles and Matt Rhule proved that isn't true.

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Prove??? Time out. Baylor has been playing football since 1900 and is .500. Not exactly a power. You want to really get into where Baylor sits in the world of College Football? You make it sound like Briles and Rhule had dynasties that were challenging Bear Bryant.

• Briles had 4 double digit win seasons, 2 conference championships and 0 BCS/CFB Bowl wins.
• Rhule has 1 double digit win season, 0 conference championships and 0 BCS/CFB Bowl wins.
• Aranda has 1 double digit win season, 1 conference championship and 1 CFB Bowl win.

That is it since 1994, that is 31 years. Briles had a nice run going before imploding on its selF. Geez, you guys talk like Briles and Rhule made Baylor Notre Dame. They didn't. Baylor is and was what is always was, average with a blip of good seasons here and there.

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Y'all are just silly.. Rhule Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe Nebraska would like Scott Frost back?

That was a hella performance by him in Waco yesterday.

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Rhule is remembered for that one magical season. It's true we had a great record, but we were not a dominant team. We never beat a ranked opponent, won a bunch of very close games some of which were against teams without their starting QB if I am remembering correctly, and that was probably the weakest Big 12 conference in memory - it was so down that year. Our team was manhandled by Georgia's 2nd string in a game that meant everything to us and very little to them. We had a good team with a great record. They were more indicative of 9-4 or 8-5 team in a normal year of competition.

Rhule is remembered as a conference championship coach my so many because of one single year where all the stars were aligned and yet we still didn't win the championship.

Recruiting was not elevated after that season, and he got out while the getting was good. To me, his tenure was a letdown after the Briles years … but that was obviously not all on him. He was a good coach, but I wasn't disappointed when we parted ways.

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we went to OT with Tech (4-8) and TCU (5-7) and only beat WVU (5-7) 17 to 14.

We were far from dominant but you're a hater if you point that out, lmao.

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We also beat the **** out of Kansas State and Oklahoma State on the road, smothered Texas in Waco and lost two games to a top-10 Oklahoma team by a combined 10 points, but those things are consistently ignored by those who try to push a silly narrative that every win was a nailbiter and we weren't actually good that season.

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I will give you that Rhule is an above average coach, but he still did not beat a ranked team that year. We went to the Cotton Bowl not beating 1 ranked team. Would you cut Aranda the same slack?

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I don't care who you beat. When you win 11 games, you've done a hell of a job. I would never under any circumstances criticize a double-digit win season. Coaches/teams don't luck into those. Every single one is an accomplishment, with no qualification necessary.

FLBear5630 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't think he has to worry about cutting Dave slack. We aren't reaching Cotton Bowl.

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Well, Sugar Bowl then...


Don't get me wrong, I think Aranda is at the wrong school. He needs to be at an Academy where other things count just as much. But, Rhule was not much better, 1 good year, 1 bad year and Bolt. Yet he is a darling to this group.

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Are you under the impression there were a lot of people unhappy with Aranda during our Sugar Bowl season?

The problem fans have with Aranda is that he's tanked the standard of our program to the point where such seasons/runs are currently a pipe dream. Everyone would be happy with him if he proved us all wrong and had another such season. Unfortunately for him, he's likely run out of mulligans at Baylor.

bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Y'all are just silly.. Rhule Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe Nebraska would like Scott Frost back?

That was a hella performance by him in Waco yesterday.

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Rhule is remembered for that one magical season. It's true we had a great record, but we were not a dominant team. We never beat a ranked opponent, won a bunch of very close games some of which were against teams without their starting QB if I am remembering correctly, and that was probably the weakest Big 12 conference in memory - it was so down that year. Our team was manhandled by Georgia's 2nd string in a game that meant everything to us and very little to them. We had a good team with a great record. They were more indicative of 9-4 or 8-5 team in a normal year of competition.

Rhule is remembered as a conference championship coach my so many because of one single year where all the stars were aligned and yet we still didn't win the championship.

Recruiting was not elevated after that season, and he got out while the getting was good. To me, his tenure was a letdown after the Briles years … but that was obviously not all on him. He was a good coach, but I wasn't disappointed when we parted ways.

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we went to OT with Tech (4-8) and TCU (5-7) and only beat WVU (5-7) 17 to 14.

We were far from dominant but you're a hater if you point that out, lmao.

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We also beat the **** out of Kansas State and Oklahoma State on the road, smothered Texas in Waco and lost two games to a top-10 Oklahoma team by a combined 10 points, but those things are consistently ignored by those who try to push a silly narrative that every win was a nailbiter and we weren't actually good that season.

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I will give you that Rhule is an above average coach, but he still did not beat a ranked team that year. We went to the Cotton Bowl not beating 1 ranked team. Would you cut Aranda the same slack?

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I don't care who you beat. When you win 11 games, you've done a hell of a job. I would never under any circumstances criticize a double-digit win season. Coaches/teams don't luck into those. Every single one is an accomplishment, with no qualification necessary.

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Elm Mott HS won ten games two years ago. Competition wasn't fierce.

Context matters.

FLBear5630 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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Matt is a good football coach.

He's far from an elite football coach.

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No one looks elite coaching at Temple and resurrecting a scandal-ridden program with looming NCAA penalties like 2017 Baylor. Come on.

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Let's hear about Nebraska, what reason? Then Penn State, has to undo the Franklin damage? There is always a reason to lose. Ask others, outside of Baylor fans, about Aranda and they believe he is the right fit and level of success for this school and location. There are always reasons.

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Rhule, like Joey McGuire at Tech, is already Nebraska's most successful coach in a decade. He doesn't have a great team yet, but they're a hell of a lot better than they were under his two direct predecessors, and he's clearly building toward something better.

The issue with Aranda is that since that 2021 season, we haven't been building toward anything. Nothing about our program is predictable or projectable -- other than a mediocre result at the end of a wildly frustrating journey.

FLBear5630 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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Matt is a good football coach.

He's far from an elite football coach.

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No one looks elite coaching at Temple and resurrecting a scandal-ridden program with looming NCAA penalties like 2017 Baylor. Come on.

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Ask others, outside of Baylor fans, about Aranda and they believe he is the right fit and level of success for this school and location. There are always reasons.

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Except that Art Briles and Matt Rhule proved that isn't true.

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Prove??? Time out. Baylor has been playing football since 1900 and is .500. Not exactly a power. You want to really get into where Baylor sits in the world of College Football? You make it sound like Briles and Rhule had dynasties that were challenging Bear Bryant.

• Briles had 4 double digit win seasons, 2 conference championships and 0 BCS/CFB Bowl wins.
• Rhule has 1 double digit win season, 0 conference championships and 0 BCS/CFB Bowl wins.
• Aranda has 1 double digit win season, 1 conference championship and 1 CFB Bowl win.

That is it since 1994, that is 31 years. Briles had a nice run going before imploding on its selF. Geez, you guys talk like Briles and Rhule made Baylor Notre Dame. They didn't. Baylor is and was what is always was, average with a blip of good seasons here and there.

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It is hilarious to me that you use our program's history to excuse mediocrity from our current head coach and ignore Iowa State's history -- which is WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY worse than ours -- when trashing Matt Campbell, who has been better by almost every measure than Aranda.

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Y'all are just silly.. Rhule Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe Nebraska would like Scott Frost back?

That was a hella performance by him in Waco yesterday.

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Rhule is remembered for that one magical season. It's true we had a great record, but we were not a dominant team. We never beat a ranked opponent, won a bunch of very close games some of which were against teams without their starting QB if I am remembering correctly, and that was probably the weakest Big 12 conference in memory - it was so down that year. Our team was manhandled by Georgia's 2nd string in a game that meant everything to us and very little to them. We had a good team with a great record. They were more indicative of 9-4 or 8-5 team in a normal year of competition.

Rhule is remembered as a conference championship coach my so many because of one single year where all the stars were aligned and yet we still didn't win the championship.

Recruiting was not elevated after that season, and he got out while the getting was good. To me, his tenure was a letdown after the Briles years … but that was obviously not all on him. He was a good coach, but I wasn't disappointed when we parted ways.

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we went to OT with Tech (4-8) and TCU (5-7) and only beat WVU (5-7) 17 to 14.

We were far from dominant but you're a hater if you point that out, lmao.

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We also beat the **** out of Kansas State and Oklahoma State on the road, smothered Texas in Waco and lost two games to a top-10 Oklahoma team by a combined 10 points, but those things are consistently ignored by those who try to push a silly narrative that every win was a nailbiter and we weren't actually good that season.

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I will give you that Rhule is an above average coach, but he still did not beat a ranked team that year. We went to the Cotton Bowl not beating 1 ranked team. Would you cut Aranda the same slack?

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I don't care who you beat. When you win 11 games, you've done a hell of a job. I would never under any circumstances criticize a double-digit win season. Coaches/teams don't luck into those. Every single one is an accomplishment, with no qualification necessary.

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Elm Mott HS won ten games two years ago. Competition wasn't fierce.

Context matters.

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When you're playing high major college football, context really doesn't matter. No schedule you could possibly play in any of the power four conferences is weak enough to **** on an 11-win season and a trip to a New Year's bowl game (which would be a playoff appearance in today's landscape). This is universally true IMO, but it's especially so at Baylor University.

bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Y'all are just silly.. Rhule Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe Nebraska would like Scott Frost back?

That was a hella performance by him in Waco yesterday.

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Rhule is remembered for that one magical season. It's true we had a great record, but we were not a dominant team. We never beat a ranked opponent, won a bunch of very close games some of which were against teams without their starting QB if I am remembering correctly, and that was probably the weakest Big 12 conference in memory - it was so down that year. Our team was manhandled by Georgia's 2nd string in a game that meant everything to us and very little to them. We had a good team with a great record. They were more indicative of 9-4 or 8-5 team in a normal year of competition.

Rhule is remembered as a conference championship coach my so many because of one single year where all the stars were aligned and yet we still didn't win the championship.

Recruiting was not elevated after that season, and he got out while the getting was good. To me, his tenure was a letdown after the Briles years … but that was obviously not all on him. He was a good coach, but I wasn't disappointed when we parted ways.

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we went to OT with Tech (4-8) and TCU (5-7) and only beat WVU (5-7) 17 to 14.

We were far from dominant but you're a hater if you point that out, lmao.

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We also beat the **** out of Kansas State and Oklahoma State on the road, smothered Texas in Waco and lost two games to a top-10 Oklahoma team by a combined 10 points, but those things are consistently ignored by those who try to push a silly narrative that every win was a nailbiter and we weren't actually good that season.

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I will give you that Rhule is an above average coach, but he still did not beat a ranked team that year. We went to the Cotton Bowl not beating 1 ranked team. Would you cut Aranda the same slack?

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I don't care who you beat. When you win 11 games, you've done a hell of a job. I would never under any circumstances criticize a double-digit win season. Coaches/teams don't luck into those. Every single one is an accomplishment, with no qualification necessary.

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Elm Mott HS won ten games two years ago. Competition wasn't fierce.

Context matters.

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When you're playing high major college football, context really doesn't matter. No schedule you could possibly play in any of the power four conferences is weak enough to **** on an 11-win season and a trip to a New Year's bowl game (which would be a playoff appearance in today's landscape). This is universally true IMO, but it's especially so at Baylor University.

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Nonsense.

the three non-con wins were SFA, UTSA and Rice.
in conference every team not named OU or Baylor finished 5-4 (or lower) in conference and 8-5 overall (or lower).

That year the B12 was Hot Garbage.

context ALWAYS matters.

bear2be2 said:

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Are you under the impression there were a lot of people unhappy with Aranda during our Sugar Bowl season?

The problem fans have with Aranda is that he's tanked the standard of our program to the point where such seasons/runs a pipe dream. Everyone would be happy with him if he proved us all wrong and had another such season. Unfortunately for him, he's likely run out of mulligans at Baylor.

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'21 showed us that Dave could hit as high as high as any Baylor coach ever had, because he deserves full credit for it.

The need many have here to somehow give Rhule *more* credit than Dave for '21 is utterly, hopelessly asinine: '21 flat out doesn't happen if not for the additions of Ika, Gall, Doyle and Estrada, or without moving Abram from LB to RB and slimming Pitre down to his natural weight and putting him in his natural position at STAR.

Dave gets credit for all of that, not Matt Rhule. It's frankly embarrassing how some folks here contort to avoid giving Dave credit for '21. From what I've seen it's usually done by folks who insist that Dave is not HC material and they use their claim that he won with Rhule's team as a major piece of evidence. A circular logic circle jerk. Sad!

If Dave goes 8-5, whatever variant of that record it proves to be, he's most likely getting another year. If he goes 9-4 this season, it's beyond any doubt. Any version of 7-6 puts the situation in question though, and I believe anything at 6-7 or worse and he's done at Baylor.

But my expectation for the rest of the season is 8-5 and I don't think 9-4 is impossible...even though Utah is certainly a tall task ahead. On the plus side, if Dave secures his 6th win vs a Top 25 opponent at Baylor's helm, I think fanbase momentum will bounce back in a big way. I mean heck, he'll have 3x as many Ranked Wins as the glorious Matt Rhule - who wouldn't be excited about that?!

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Y'all are just silly.. Rhule Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe Nebraska would like Scott Frost back?

That was a hella performance by him in Waco yesterday.

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Rhule is remembered for that one magical season. It's true we had a great record, but we were not a dominant team. We never beat a ranked opponent, won a bunch of very close games some of which were against teams without their starting QB if I am remembering correctly, and that was probably the weakest Big 12 conference in memory - it was so down that year. Our team was manhandled by Georgia's 2nd string in a game that meant everything to us and very little to them. We had a good team with a great record. They were more indicative of 9-4 or 8-5 team in a normal year of competition.

Rhule is remembered as a conference championship coach my so many because of one single year where all the stars were aligned and yet we still didn't win the championship.

Recruiting was not elevated after that season, and he got out while the getting was good. To me, his tenure was a letdown after the Briles years … but that was obviously not all on him. He was a good coach, but I wasn't disappointed when we parted ways.

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we went to OT with Tech (4-8) and TCU (5-7) and only beat WVU (5-7) 17 to 14.

We were far from dominant but you're a hater if you point that out, lmao.

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We also beat the **** out of Kansas State and Oklahoma State on the road, smothered Texas in Waco and lost two games to a top-10 Oklahoma team by a combined 10 points, but those things are consistently ignored by those who try to push a silly narrative that every win was a nailbiter and we weren't actually good that season.

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I will give you that Rhule is an above average coach, but he still did not beat a ranked team that year. We went to the Cotton Bowl not beating 1 ranked team. Would you cut Aranda the same slack?

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I don't care who you beat. When you win 11 games, you've done a hell of a job. I would never under any circumstances criticize a double-digit win season. Coaches/teams don't luck into those. Every single one is an accomplishment, with no qualification necessary.

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Elm Mott HS won ten games two years ago. Competition wasn't fierce.

Context matters.

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When you're playing high major college football, context really doesn't matter. No schedule you could possibly play in any of the power four conferences is weak enough to **** on an 11-win season and a trip to a New Year's bowl game (which would be a playoff appearance in today's landscape). This is universally true IMO, but it's especially so at Baylor University.

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Nonsense.

the three non-con wins were SFA, UTSA and Rice.
in conference every team not named OU or Baylor finished 5-4 (or lower) in conference and 8-5 overall (or lower).

That year the B12 was Hot Garbage.

context ALWAYS matters.

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The Big 12 was just as mediocre in the many of the Briles years -- our rise conveniently coincided with down periods for both Texas and OU. And we played absolute **** noncon schedules every year in those days. I don't remember seeing these same criticisms on Baylor boards then or now about those teams.

To win 11-games in a regular season at Baylor, you have to go a minimum of 8-1 in Big 12 play. I don't care how bad the Big 12 supposedly is. It's never bad enough to take that for granted or to spend energy dissecting the impressiveness of the accomplishment.

Every double-digit-win season that Baylor has had in the last two decades was a great season. No qualifications or apologies are necessary for any of them. Only a fool would nitpick a season that ended with Baylor ranked in the top 15 nationally.

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Are you under the impression there were a lot of people unhappy with Aranda during our Sugar Bowl season?

The problem fans have with Aranda is that he's tanked the standard of our program to the point where such seasons/runs a pipe dream. Everyone would be happy with him if he proved us all wrong and had another such season. Unfortunately for him, he's likely run out of mulligans at Baylor.

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'21 showed us that Dave could hit as high as high as any Baylor coach ever had, because he deserves full credit for it.

The need many have here to somehow give Rhule *more* credit than Dave for '21 is utterly, hopelessly asinine: '21 flat out doesn't happen if not for the additions of Ika, Gall, Doyle and Estrada, or without moving Abram from LB to RB and slimming Pitre down to his natural weight and putting him in his natural position at STAR.

Dave gets credit for all of that, not Matt Rhule. It's frankly embarrassing how some folks here contort to avoid giving Dave credit for '21. From what I've seen it's usually done by folks who insist that Dave is not HC material and they use their claim that he won with Rhule's team as a major piece of evidence. A circular logic circle jerk. Sad!

If Dave goes 8-5, whatever variant of that record it proves to be, he's most likely getting another year. If he goes 9-4 this season, it's beyond any doubt. Any version of 7-6 puts the situation in question though, and I believe anything at 6-7 or worse and he's done at Baylor.

But my expectation for the rest of the season is 8-5 and I don't think 9-4 is impossible...even though Utah is certainly a tall task ahead. On the plus side, if Dave secures his 6th win vs a Top 25 opponent at Baylor's helm, I think fanbase momentum will bounce back in a big way. I mean heck, he'll have 3x as many Ranked Wins as the glorious Matt Rhule - who wouldn't be excited about that?!

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You are overestimating the likelihood of reacquiring trust once it is lost.
You are also overestimating the wins for the remainder of the season.

Every divorced person can educate you on that first point.
the Utes can educate you on the second point.

And just as a point of fact, our strength of schedule in 2019 was about 20 spots better than it was in 2014, 2015 and 2016. And it was 10 spots better than 2013.

So you can add that to the trash heap of silly criticisms of our 2019 season and Matt Rhule's Baylor tenure, in general.

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Y'all are just silly.. Rhule Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe Nebraska would like Scott Frost back?

That was a hella performance by him in Waco yesterday.

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Rhule is remembered for that one magical season. It's true we had a great record, but we were not a dominant team. We never beat a ranked opponent, won a bunch of very close games some of which were against teams without their starting QB if I am remembering correctly, and that was probably the weakest Big 12 conference in memory - it was so down that year. Our team was manhandled by Georgia's 2nd string in a game that meant everything to us and very little to them. We had a good team with a great record. They were more indicative of 9-4 or 8-5 team in a normal year of competition.

Rhule is remembered as a conference championship coach my so many because of one single year where all the stars were aligned and yet we still didn't win the championship.

Recruiting was not elevated after that season, and he got out while the getting was good. To me, his tenure was a letdown after the Briles years … but that was obviously not all on him. He was a good coach, but I wasn't disappointed when we parted ways.

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we went to OT with Tech (4-8) and TCU (5-7) and only beat WVU (5-7) 17 to 14.

We were far from dominant but you're a hater if you point that out, lmao.

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We also beat the **** out of Kansas State and Oklahoma State on the road, smothered Texas in Waco and lost two games to a top-10 Oklahoma team by a combined 10 points, but those things are consistently ignored by those who try to push a silly narrative that every win was a nailbiter and we weren't actually good that season.

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I will give you that Rhule is an above average coach, but he still did not beat a ranked team that year. We went to the Cotton Bowl not beating 1 ranked team. Would you cut Aranda the same slack?

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I don't care who you beat. When you win 11 games, you've done a hell of a job. I would never under any circumstances criticize a double-digit win season. Coaches/teams don't luck into those. Every single one is an accomplishment, with no qualification necessary.

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Elm Mott HS won ten games two years ago. Competition wasn't fierce.

Context matters.

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When you're playing high major college football, context really doesn't matter. No schedule you could possibly play in any of the power four conferences is weak enough to **** on an 11-win season and a trip to a New Year's bowl game (which would be a playoff appearance in today's landscape). This is universally true IMO, but it's especially so at Baylor University.

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Nonsense.

the three non-con wins were SFA, UTSA and Rice.
in conference every team not named OU or Baylor finished 5-4 (or lower) in conference and 8-5 overall (or lower).

That year the B12 was Hot Garbage.

context ALWAYS matters.

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The Big 12 was just as mediocre in the many of the Briles years -- our rise conveniently coincided with down periods for both Texas and OU. And we played absolute **** noncon schedules every year in those days. I don't remember seeing these same criticisms on Baylor boards then or now about those teams.

To win 11-games in a regular season at Baylor, you have to go a minimum of 8-1 in Big 12 play. I don't care how bad the Big 12 supposedly is. It's never bad enough to take that for granted or to spend energy dissecting the impressiveness of the accomplishment.

Every double-digit win that Baylor has had in the last two decades was a great season. No qualifications or apologies are necessary for any of them. Only a fool would nitpick a season that ended with Baylor ranked in the top 15 nationally.

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2013: Baylor scored 681, allowed 306
2014: Baylor scored 627, allowed 332
2015: Baylor scored 625, allowed 368
2019: Baylor scored 471, allowed 277

the seasonal point differential is strong evidence

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bear2be2 said:

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Are you under the impression there were a lot of people unhappy with Aranda during our Sugar Bowl season?

The problem fans have with Aranda is that he's tanked the standard of our program to the point where such seasons/runs a pipe dream. Everyone would be happy with him if he proved us all wrong and had another such season. Unfortunately for him, he's likely run out of mulligans at Baylor.

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'21 showed us that Dave could hit as high as high as any Baylor coach ever had, because he deserves full credit for it.

The need many have here to somehow give Rhule *more* credit than Dave for '21 is utterly, hopelessly asinine: '21 flat out doesn't happen if not for the additions of Ika, Gall, Doyle and Estrada, or without moving Abram from LB to RB and slimming Pitre down to his natural weight and putting him in his natural position at STAR.

Dave gets credit for all of that, not Matt Rhule. It's frankly embarrassing how some folks here contort to avoid giving Dave credit for '21. From what I've seen it's usually done by folks who insist that Dave is not HC material and they use their claim that he won with Rhule's team as a major piece of evidence. A circular logic circle jerk. Sad!

If Dave goes 8-5, whatever variant of that record it proves to be, he's most likely getting another year. If he goes 9-4 this season, it's beyond any doubt. Any version of 7-6 puts the situation in question though, and I believe anything at 6-7 or worse and he's done at Baylor.

But my expectation for the rest of the season is 8-5 and I don't think 9-4 is impossible...even though Utah is certainly a tall task ahead. On the plus side, if Dave secures his 6th win vs a Top 25 opponent at Baylor's helm, I think fanbase momentum will bounce back in a big way. I mean heck, he'll have 3x as many Ranked Wins as the glorious Matt Rhule - who wouldn't be excited about that?!

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I have no problem giving Aranda credit for 2021. The problem is we haven't come close to reaching that level since and have shown no signs whatsoever of returning to it any time in the near future. So what happened five seasons ago isn't particularly relevant when judging where our program stands and what we're likely to be going forward with Aranda.

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Y'all are just silly.. Rhule Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe Nebraska would like Scott Frost back?

That was a hella performance by him in Waco yesterday.

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Rhule is remembered for that one magical season. It's true we had a great record, but we were not a dominant team. We never beat a ranked opponent, won a bunch of very close games some of which were against teams without their starting QB if I am remembering correctly, and that was probably the weakest Big 12 conference in memory - it was so down that year. Our team was manhandled by Georgia's 2nd string in a game that meant everything to us and very little to them. We had a good team with a great record. They were more indicative of 9-4 or 8-5 team in a normal year of competition.

Rhule is remembered as a conference championship coach my so many because of one single year where all the stars were aligned and yet we still didn't win the championship.

Recruiting was not elevated after that season, and he got out while the getting was good. To me, his tenure was a letdown after the Briles years … but that was obviously not all on him. He was a good coach, but I wasn't disappointed when we parted ways.

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we went to OT with Tech (4-8) and TCU (5-7) and only beat WVU (5-7) 17 to 14.

We were far from dominant but you're a hater if you point that out, lmao.

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We also beat the **** out of Kansas State and Oklahoma State on the road, smothered Texas in Waco and lost two games to a top-10 Oklahoma team by a combined 10 points, but those things are consistently ignored by those who try to push a silly narrative that every win was a nailbiter and we weren't actually good that season.

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I will give you that Rhule is an above average coach, but he still did not beat a ranked team that year. We went to the Cotton Bowl not beating 1 ranked team. Would you cut Aranda the same slack?

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I don't care who you beat. When you win 11 games, you've done a hell of a job. I would never under any circumstances criticize a double-digit win season. Coaches/teams don't luck into those. Every single one is an accomplishment, with no qualification necessary.

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Elm Mott HS won ten games two years ago. Competition wasn't fierce.

Context matters.

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When you're playing high major college football, context really doesn't matter. No schedule you could possibly play in any of the power four conferences is weak enough to **** on an 11-win season and a trip to a New Year's bowl game (which would be a playoff appearance in today's landscape). This is universally true IMO, but it's especially so at Baylor University.

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Nonsense.

the three non-con wins were SFA, UTSA and Rice.
in conference every team not named OU or Baylor finished 5-4 (or lower) in conference and 8-5 overall (or lower).

That year the B12 was Hot Garbage.

context ALWAYS matters.

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The Big 12 was just as mediocre in the many of the Briles years -- our rise conveniently coincided with down periods for both Texas and OU. And we played absolute **** noncon schedules every year in those days. I don't remember seeing these same criticisms on Baylor boards then or now about those teams.

To win 11-games in a regular season at Baylor, you have to go a minimum of 8-1 in Big 12 play. I don't care how bad the Big 12 supposedly is. It's never bad enough to take that for granted or to spend energy dissecting the impressiveness of the accomplishment.

Every double-digit win that Baylor has had in the last two decades was a great season. No qualifications or apologies are necessary for any of them. Only a fool would nitpick a season that ended with Baylor ranked in the top 15 nationally.

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2013: Baylor scored 681, allowed 306
2014: Baylor scored 627, allowed 332
2015: Baylor scored 625, allowed 368
2019: Baylor scored 471, allowed 277

the seasonal point differential is strong evidence

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Strong evidence of what? If you want to argue that 2019 team wasn't good, just come out and say it. You'll look like an idiot.

bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Y'all are just silly.. Rhule Derangement Syndrome.

Maybe Nebraska would like Scott Frost back?

That was a hella performance by him in Waco yesterday.

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Rhule is remembered for that one magical season. It's true we had a great record, but we were not a dominant team. We never beat a ranked opponent, won a bunch of very close games some of which were against teams without their starting QB if I am remembering correctly, and that was probably the weakest Big 12 conference in memory - it was so down that year. Our team was manhandled by Georgia's 2nd string in a game that meant everything to us and very little to them. We had a good team with a great record. They were more indicative of 9-4 or 8-5 team in a normal year of competition.

Rhule is remembered as a conference championship coach my so many because of one single year where all the stars were aligned and yet we still didn't win the championship.

Recruiting was not elevated after that season, and he got out while the getting was good. To me, his tenure was a letdown after the Briles years … but that was obviously not all on him. He was a good coach, but I wasn't disappointed when we parted ways.

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we went to OT with Tech (4-8) and TCU (5-7) and only beat WVU (5-7) 17 to 14.

We were far from dominant but you're a hater if you point that out, lmao.

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We also beat the **** out of Kansas State and Oklahoma State on the road, smothered Texas in Waco and lost two games to a top-10 Oklahoma team by a combined 10 points, but those things are consistently ignored by those who try to push a silly narrative that every win was a nailbiter and we weren't actually good that season.

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I will give you that Rhule is an above average coach, but he still did not beat a ranked team that year. We went to the Cotton Bowl not beating 1 ranked team. Would you cut Aranda the same slack?

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I don't care who you beat. When you win 11 games, you've done a hell of a job. I would never under any circumstances criticize a double-digit win season. Coaches/teams don't luck into those. Every single one is an accomplishment, with no qualification necessary.

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Elm Mott HS won ten games two years ago. Competition wasn't fierce.

Context matters.

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When you're playing high major college football, context really doesn't matter. No schedule you could possibly play in any of the power four conferences is weak enough to **** on an 11-win season and a trip to a New Year's bowl game (which would be a playoff appearance in today's landscape). This is universally true IMO, but it's especially so at Baylor University.

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Nonsense.

the three non-con wins were SFA, UTSA and Rice.
in conference every team not named OU or Baylor finished 5-4 (or lower) in conference and 8-5 overall (or lower).

That year the B12 was Hot Garbage.

context ALWAYS matters.

---

The Big 12 was just as mediocre in the many of the Briles years -- our rise conveniently coincided with down periods for both Texas and OU. And we played absolute **** noncon schedules every year in those days. I don't remember seeing these same criticisms on Baylor boards then or now about those teams.

To win 11-games in a regular season at Baylor, you have to go a minimum of 8-1 in Big 12 play. I don't care how bad the Big 12 supposedly is. It's never bad enough to take that for granted or to spend energy dissecting the impressiveness of the accomplishment.

Every double-digit win that Baylor has had in the last two decades was a great season. No qualifications or apologies are necessary for any of them. Only a fool would nitpick a season that ended with Baylor ranked in the top 15 nationally.

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2013: Baylor scored 681, allowed 306
2014: Baylor scored 627, allowed 332
2015: Baylor scored 625, allowed 368
2019: Baylor scored 471, allowed 277

the seasonal point differential is strong evidence

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Strong evidence of what? If you want to argue that 2019 team wasn't good, just come out and say it. You'll look like an idiot.

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Name calling proves nothing. It simply makes you look bad.

most folks understand that 21 point wins are generally more impressive than 3 point wins.
if you don't see it, so be it.

p.s. being adamant doesn't help you win on the internet. Go get a beer or some exercise.