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This is a bad take.

Without Grant Teaff, Baylor football is likely in Rice's position right now. His era is absolutely relevant because it was the foundation he laid that allowed us to be included in the original Big 12 and made us a potential landing spot for a coach like Briles.

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Some of us think we play like Rice LOL

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Yeah.

Rice got the shortest end of the stick out of all of the original SWC schools.

Sure - TCU, SMU, and Houston were out wandering in the wilderness for awhile. But at least they all ended up in a P4 conference eventually.

Barring some heavy hitters getting involved down there in H-Town (like those at Tech and SMU have), Rice is likely gonna be stuck in football purgatory for decades to come.

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Rice earned that with lukewarm athletic commitment and no fan engagement. But it still sucks for them.

And without Teaff's success, we could have very easily found ourselves in that same spot.

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bear2be2 said:

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This is a bad take.

Without Grant Teaff, Baylor football is likely in Rice's position right now. His era is absolutely relevant because it was the foundation he laid that allowed us to be included in the original Big 12 and made us a potential landing spot for a coach like Briles.

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Some of us think we play like Rice LOL

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Hopefully, no one actually thinks that.

We're in a period of frustrating mediocrity that we could get out of quickly with the right coaching hire. Rice is hopeless. There is a pretty large difference.

I remember when Rice Stadium was sold out. But unfortunately for Jess Neely Rice decided the football players had to go to class so the program ended.

UH catches a lot of grieve for attendance but they replaced Rice and they could sell out the Dome in good years

That said, Aggies and UT are the only two programs in the state that sellout all games every year.

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OK, you were making points until you brought up the Briles years. That was a Baylor program with an upward trajectory. Aranda's sixth year is a Baylor program that is undeniably in decline, with play that is more sloppy and undisciplined than ever.

They are not the same.

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I've come to the conclusion that Thee is so jealous of what Briles accomplished. Teaff was the first coach since 1950 that had Baylor competitive every few seasons. Up's and big downs. Briles built a powerhouse making Thee envy

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Bull$h!t. I yelled as loud as anyone during those years. I was a happy former player until I started hearing things and seeing smoke coming out of the program. I just hated to see us throw it all away. Then we lost the Fiesta to a commuter school and the Cotton by giving up 21 points in the 4th Q. That is not championship football!

You don't win Championships without a defense.

Briles blew it out both pants legs. Everything he accomplished turned to calf scours in the end and nationwide sports fans do not respect those 11 win seasons. Hell, TCU was lauded over more than Baylor . For every big win we had a bigger collapse or black eye.

Envy? Ha. It's called disappointment.

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Everything before Briles is irrelevant. Briles brought Baylor national pride and a new stadium. The BOR couldn't handle his success. It's documented.

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How old are you Bear Balls?

Baylor's biggest football wins continue to be the 1974 "Miracle on the Brazos" win over Texas, the 1997 upset of Texas, and the 2022 Sugar Bowl victory. Other major wins feature the 2011 45-38 upset of #5 Oklahoma and the 2021 Big 12 Championship win against Oklahoma State.

The 1957 Sugar Bowl win over Tennessee was huge.

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The "value" of my degree with this institution has falling significantly with the current administration.

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I think Mack and Aranda should be gone. I am fine with firing Mack this year and giving Aranda another year. This will allow us to get in a new AD to hire the new coach.

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Respectfully, that's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Next season will be a bit of a rebuild. Best to fire both of them. Rhoades foolishly offered Aranda a long term extension after just two years on the job. That's a display of poor judgement.

No one wants to waste another year on Aranda.

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I agree that both need to be gone. Aranda has showed us his ceiling, and it is not high enough. Some are arguing that they should fire Mack and then Aranda the next year. I am fine with that or firing them both now. I guess I am in the boat of praying for at least some movement in the right direction. Because what I see now is definitely going the wrong way

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Rice earned that with lukewarm athletic commitment and no fan engagement. But it still sucks for them.

And without Teaff's success, we could have very easily found ourselves in that same spot.

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We still can.

If you say "we don't want to be an institution of football", you can easily speak it into existence.

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Boys y'all are still living in a fantasy world of the good ole days.

College football has been essentially destroyed and what is left is not friendly to private schools that have never had big boy football traditions and an alumni base that would rather go watch SING or the HOMECOMING PARADE than go sit in 100 degree Brazos River humidity and cheer on the gridiron Bears. Only Notre Dame has weathered the storms relatively unscathed and even the Golden domers have had to take it in the short hairs with Gerry Faust, Charlie Weiss and Bob Davie. They have had 3-9, 5-7 and 4-8 seasons recently.

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Notre Dame has bigger boy football traditions than the majority of the SEC and Big Ten.

More heisman winners.

More national championships.

A better winning percentage. Until Davie and Weiss, it was the winningest program in all of college football.

You can put USC and Miami up against most of those SEC and Big Ten schools and walk away with the same results.

As far as fan support, winning fixes everything.

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Rice earned that with lukewarm athletic commitment and no fan engagement. But it still sucks for them.

And without Teaff's success, we could have very easily found ourselves in that same spot.

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We still can.

If you say "we don't want to be an institution of football", you can easily speak it into existence.

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No we can't because we have a fan and donor base that won't allow it. Rice has no fans and pumps no money into its athletic department.

We can fall into a period of Big 12 irrelevance -- it's possible we already have -- but our floor is several levels higher than Rice's.

I became a life-long Bear because of Teaff and those RA days and seeing him speak at church and FCA events. Teaff was (and still is) a big deal. Baylor football didn't begin with Briles.

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Rice earned that with lukewarm athletic commitment and no fan engagement. But it still sucks for them.

And without Teaff's success, we could have very easily found ourselves in that same spot.

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We still can.

If you say "we don't want to be an institution of football", you can easily speak it into existence.

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No we can't because we have a fan and donor base that won't allow it. Rice has no fans and pumps no money into its athletic department.

We can fall into a period of Big 12 irrelevance -- it's possible we already have -- but our floor is several levels higher than Rice's.

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Rice students actively hate the football program. In their world, its actually cooler to go to church than a Rice football game.

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I became a life-long Bear because of Teaff and those RA days and seeing him speak at church and FCA events. Teaff was (and still is) a big deal. Baylor football didn't begin with Briles.

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True, but many would say that so far, at least, it ended with him.

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True Grit said:

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I became a life-long Bear because of Teaff and those RA days and seeing him speak at church and FCA events. Teaff was (and still is) a big deal. Baylor football didn't begin with Briles.

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True, but many would say that so far, at least, it ended with him.

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It cycles, like most things in this world. The statement you made could have been said when Kevin Steele was here..

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True Grit said:

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I became a life-long Bear because of Teaff and those RA days and seeing him speak at church and FCA events. Teaff was (and still is) a big deal. Baylor football didn't begin with Briles.

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True, but many would say that so far, at least, it ended with him.

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It cycles, like most things in this world. The statement you made could have been said when Kevin Steele was here..

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Since the point of reference of this thread is Art Briles' tenure here, "so far" brings us to the present, not to any previous point in BU's football history.

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bear2be2 said:

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This is a bad take.

Without Grant Teaff, Baylor football is likely in Rice's position right now. His era is absolutely relevant because it was the foundation he laid that allowed us to be included in the original Big 12 and made us a potential landing spot for a coach like Briles.

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Some of us think we play like Rice LOL

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Hopefully, no one actually thinks that.

We're in a period of frustrating mediocrity that we could get out of quickly with the right coaching hire. Rice is hopeless. There is a pretty large difference.

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Sources: Rice is set to announce a $120 million wholesale stadium renovation that’s part of a project to further connect campus with the nearby Rice Village entertainment district. The Rice Stadium overhaul includes adding suites, a premium club area and a new press level. pic.twitter.com/EW02VLJNPZ

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) November 6, 2025

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bear2be2 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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bear2be2 said:

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This is a bad take.

Without Grant Teaff, Baylor football is likely in Rice's position right now. His era is absolutely relevant because it was the foundation he laid that allowed us to be included in the original Big 12 and made us a potential landing spot for a coach like Briles.

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Some of us think we play like Rice LOL

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Hopefully, no one actually thinks that.

We're in a period of frustrating mediocrity that we could get out of quickly with the right coaching hire. Rice is hopeless. There is a pretty large difference.

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Sources: Rice is set to announce a $120 million wholesale stadium renovation that’s part of a project to further connect campus with the nearby Rice Village entertainment district. The Rice Stadium overhaul includes adding suites, a premium club area and a new press level. pic.twitter.com/EW02VLJNPZ

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) November 6, 2025

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That's a positive step for them ... and long overdue. They're about 10-20 years behind all of their former SWC mates in modernizing, and right-sizing their football stadiums.

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bear2be2 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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bear2be2 said:

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This is a bad take.

Without Grant Teaff, Baylor football is likely in Rice's position right now. His era is absolutely relevant because it was the foundation he laid that allowed us to be included in the original Big 12 and made us a potential landing spot for a coach like Briles.

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Some of us think we play like Rice LOL

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Hopefully, no one actually thinks that.

We're in a period of frustrating mediocrity that we could get out of quickly with the right coaching hire. Rice is hopeless. There is a pretty large difference.

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Sources: Rice is set to announce a $120 million wholesale stadium renovation that’s part of a project to further connect campus with the nearby Rice Village entertainment district. The Rice Stadium overhaul includes adding suites, a premium club area and a new press level. pic.twitter.com/EW02VLJNPZ

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) November 6, 2025

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I'm curiousif Rice reallocated that amount of money (120 million), how many National Merit Scholars could they provide with full scholarships plus spending money? Similarly, if Baylor directed NIL funds toward academics instead of football, how many National Merit Scholars could they attract to campus? Eventually, BU will have to choose whether it wants to be a genuine university or a private college trying to operate a collection of professional sports teams. Anything that is unsustainable will ultimately come to an end. Until then I'll watch and pull for the Bears. It's other peoples money so what the heck.

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We need a better system with either NIL or Revenue Sharing but not both. We need less pay for the coaches and a pay structure for players that puts schools on equal footing. Women's sports need to be funded also and the current system leaves them out in the cold. TV revenue should be spread out evenly among the Division 1 schools so that all sports are funded. The notion that the SEC and Big 10 schools should be paid more in the TV contracts needs to be challenged as the smaller schools are also getting left out in the cold.

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No one can make the media partners pay the Big 12 or ACC more than what the media partners believe that they are worth, so that's a lost cause. Also, without collective bargaining, any rule that limits how much a player can make will likely not survive legal scrutiny.

Nice looking stadium. Looks like only grandstands on one side, which I'm sure is cool for Rice. Reminds me of UMHB's stadium.

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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bear2be2 said:

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This is a bad take.

Without Grant Teaff, Baylor football is likely in Rice's position right now. His era is absolutely relevant because it was the foundation he laid that allowed us to be included in the original Big 12 and made us a potential landing spot for a coach like Briles.

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Some of us think we play like Rice LOL

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Hopefully, no one actually thinks that.

We're in a period of frustrating mediocrity that we could get out of quickly with the right coaching hire. Rice is hopeless. There is a pretty large difference.

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Sources: Rice is set to announce a $120 million wholesale stadium renovation that’s part of a project to further connect campus with the nearby Rice Village entertainment district. The Rice Stadium overhaul includes adding suites, a premium club area and a new press level. pic.twitter.com/EW02VLJNPZ

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) November 6, 2025

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I'm curiousif Rice reallocated that amount of money (120 million), how many National Merit Scholars could they provide with full scholarships plus spending money? Similarly, if Baylor directed NIL funds toward academics instead of football, how many National Merit Scholars could they attract to campus? Eventually, BU will have to choose whether it wants to be a genuine university or a private college trying to operate a collection of professional sports teams. Anything that is unsustainable will ultimately come to an end. Until then I'll watch and pull for the Bears. It's other peoples money so what the heck.

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LOL. No one needs to be concerned with Rice alumni money factory. They could buy and sell everyone in the Big 12 twice and never miss a penny.

Unfortunately for old Rice, they are being run by the new generation who want to make everything bigger and better. At one time only a few select thousand could attend. Now they are rapidly building, expanding and increasing enrollment. This seems to be the plan everywhere.

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Sources: Rice is set to announce a $120 million wholesale stadium renovation that’s part of a project to further connect campus with the nearby Rice Village entertainment district. The Rice Stadium overhaul includes adding suites, a premium club area and a new press level. pic.twitter.com/EW02VLJNPZ

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) November 6, 2025

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Please tell me they're not going to touch the mens restrooms......they are Legendary

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Sources: Rice is set to announce a $120 million wholesale stadium renovation that’s part of a project to further connect campus with the nearby Rice Village entertainment district. The Rice Stadium overhaul includes adding suites, a premium club area and a new press level. pic.twitter.com/EW02VLJNPZ

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) November 6, 2025

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Is it me or does anyone else look at this rendering and think the fireworks look ....a bit trashy.

Adding fireworks to this rendering screams "TCU." Might as well add a guy driving a spotless F-150 with blow-dried hair and sporting white loafers.

Jacques Strap said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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bear2be2 said:

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This is a bad take.

Without Grant Teaff, Baylor football is likely in Rice's position right now. His era is absolutely relevant because it was the foundation he laid that allowed us to be included in the original Big 12 and made us a potential landing spot for a coach like Briles.

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Some of us think we play like Rice LOL

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Hopefully, no one actually thinks that.

We're in a period of frustrating mediocrity that we could get out of quickly with the right coaching hire. Rice is hopeless. There is a pretty large difference.

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Sources: Rice is set to announce a $120 million wholesale stadium renovation that’s part of a project to further connect campus with the nearby Rice Village entertainment district. The Rice Stadium overhaul includes adding suites, a premium club area and a new press level. pic.twitter.com/EW02VLJNPZ

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) November 6, 2025

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I'm curiousif Rice reallocated that amount of money (120 million), how many National Merit Scholars could they provide with full scholarships plus spending money? Similarly, if Baylor directed NIL funds toward academics instead of football, how many National Merit Scholars could they attract to campus? Eventually, BU will have to choose whether it wants to be a genuine university or a private college trying to operate a collection of professional sports teams. Anything that is unsustainable will ultimately come to an end. Until then I'll watch and pull for the Bears. It's other peoples money so what the heck.

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I fear that many universities will have to make hard athletic decisions in the future if the Wild West of yearly college free agency continues. At some point the NCAA is going to have to embrace collective bargaining and all the anti-trust issues involved.

RightRevBear said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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bear2be2 said:

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This is a bad take.

Without Grant Teaff, Baylor football is likely in Rice's position right now. His era is absolutely relevant because it was the foundation he laid that allowed us to be included in the original Big 12 and made us a potential landing spot for a coach like Briles.

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Some of us think we play like Rice LOL

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Hopefully, no one actually thinks that.

We're in a period of frustrating mediocrity that we could get out of quickly with the right coaching hire. Rice is hopeless. There is a pretty large difference.

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Sources: Rice is set to announce a $120 million wholesale stadium renovation that’s part of a project to further connect campus with the nearby Rice Village entertainment district. The Rice Stadium overhaul includes adding suites, a premium club area and a new press level. pic.twitter.com/EW02VLJNPZ

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) November 6, 2025

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I'm curiousif Rice reallocated that amount of money (120 million), how many National Merit Scholars could they provide with full scholarships plus spending money? Similarly, if Baylor directed NIL funds toward academics instead of football, how many National Merit Scholars could they attract to campus? Eventually, BU will have to choose whether it wants to be a genuine university or a private college trying to operate a collection of professional sports teams. Anything that is unsustainable will ultimately come to an end. Until then I'll watch and pull for the Bears. It's other peoples money so what the heck.

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I fear that many universities will have to make hard athletic decisions in the future if the Wild West of yearly college free agency continues. At some point the NCAA is going to have to embrace collective bargaining and all the anti-trust issues involved.

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I think they're definitely going to have to separate real college football from pro "I ain't come here to play school" college football in the near future. The current trajectory doesn't seem that feasible for most universities.

RightRevBear said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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bear2be2 said:

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This is a bad take.

Without Grant Teaff, Baylor football is likely in Rice's position right now. His era is absolutely relevant because it was the foundation he laid that allowed us to be included in the original Big 12 and made us a potential landing spot for a coach like Briles.

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Some of us think we play like Rice LOL

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Hopefully, no one actually thinks that.

We're in a period of frustrating mediocrity that we could get out of quickly with the right coaching hire. Rice is hopeless. There is a pretty large difference.

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Sources: Rice is set to announce a $120 million wholesale stadium renovation that’s part of a project to further connect campus with the nearby Rice Village entertainment district. The Rice Stadium overhaul includes adding suites, a premium club area and a new press level. pic.twitter.com/EW02VLJNPZ

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) November 6, 2025

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I'm curiousif Rice reallocated that amount of money (120 million), how many National Merit Scholars could they provide with full scholarships plus spending money? Similarly, if Baylor directed NIL funds toward academics instead of football, how many National Merit Scholars could they attract to campus? Eventually, BU will have to choose whether it wants to be a genuine university or a private college trying to operate a collection of professional sports teams. Anything that is unsustainable will ultimately come to an end. Until then I'll watch and pull for the Bears. It's other peoples money so what the heck.

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I fear that many universities will have to make hard athletic decisions in the future if the Wild West of yearly college free agency continues. At some point the NCAA is going to have to embrace collective bargaining and all the anti-trust issues involved.

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Agree 100%