Aberzombie1892 said:

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30aBear said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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This speaks volumes of baylors financial position

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We had bmd's that stated they would have paid out the contract.

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This main issue is the lack of an AD given that the AD should be able to select - with appropriate outside input - their guy. While there may be other variables at play, that is likely the main one.

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Probably, but even if so, why send an email out like this and not let the future AD make the decision when hired?

I have no idea what the hell you were watching when Briles was at Bu but it sure wasn't Baylor football. "Held together by duct tape" is a hell of a spin. Briles was building something truly special towards the end of his tenure. The big blemish was the MSU debacle. Which ironically proves BU was capable of playing with the big boys. Recruiting on the defensive side had picked up as well. Dixon, Billings were both big time recruits. I'm not sure how any sane person can look at the last few years of Briles tenure and say "yeah that program is being held together by duct tape"
The dude went into Stillwater with a 3rd string QB and demolished a top 10 Okie St his last season. He not only had top end starters he was building elite depth

FLBear5630 said:

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Here is the difference between hiring a professional that expects to win and knows what it look like and a Coordinator. This is James Franklin at Virgina Tech:

"Does it look, feel, smell and operate like a big-time program?" Franklin said, per ESPN's David Hale. "All those things need to be in place. ... I think the previous coaches here were in some challenging situations. That's the truth of it.
"There's some things that we're going to have to look at, and it's not just James Franklin. It's the marketing office, the ticketing office. Everybody's got to take some time and look in the mirror and say, 'Are we operating like a big-time program?'"


Baylor, even under Briles, NEVER met this standard. Some pieces were in place, but overall it ALWAYS feels, and felt under Briles, like we were piecing it together with duct tape. We were taking other programs cast offs, we were not able to recruit both sides of the ball, and even once we got top notch facilities that games STILL felt amateurish compared to B10 and Bluebloods.

Next AD HAS to fix this or it doesn't matter who they hire.

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Briles wasn't out there scooping up trash players. He found kids who fit his system. Most were 2 to 3 star guys, then he'd mix in a couple high 3 stars and a few 4 stars and make it all work.

Yeah, he took chances on some kids with off the field issues. A lot of these guys aren't coming from River Oaks, Highland Park, or any of those places. Some of the best players in the country grow up in tough situations, broken families, whatever, and football is their way out. They needed structure, a father figure, and Briles was that for them. He turned a ton of those kids around and set them on the right path.

The big programs wanted those same players too, but they'd use them up and spit them out. Briles actually invested in them. That's why his players loved him then and still do now. Some of the classiest guys to ever wear the green and gold swear by him because he changed their lives.

But now our BOR has essentially created a checklist that every recruit has to fit before we can even make an offer. Somebody stole a sandwich once? Nope, off the board. Meanwhile, those same kids can head to A&M, UT, LSU, Tech, wherever, and those schools won't think twice.

Just another hurdle the next AD and coach are going to have to deal with.

and in typical Baylor fashion, we **** it up.

30aBear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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30aBear said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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This speaks volumes of baylors financial position

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We had bmd's that stated they would have paid out the contract.

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This main issue is the lack of an AD given that the AD should be able to select - with appropriate outside input - their guy. While there may be other variables at play, that is likely the main one.

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Probably, but even if so, why send an email out like this and not let the future AD make the decision when hired?

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The new AD needs time to integrate into the administration and should not be put in a position where they have to make a HC hire within a few months of being hired.

I have to disagree. Any leader worth their salt ALWAYS is thinking of backfills / who they'd bring in such and such role.

We have had White-Outs, Black-Outs, Gold and Green-Outs. Our next experience? Stay-Outs.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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30aBear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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30aBear said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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This speaks volumes of baylors financial position

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We had bmd's that stated they would have paid out the contract.

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This main issue is the lack of an AD given that the AD should be able to select - with appropriate outside input - their guy. While there may be other variables at play, that is likely the main one.

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Probably, but even if so, why send an email out like this and not let the future AD make the decision when hired?

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The new AD needs time to integrate into the administration and should not be put in a position where they have to make a HC hire within a few months of being hired.

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Many AD's would already have a coach they want to bring. This isn't going to be the AD's first rodeo. Many programs cut their AD and coach and it works. Why are we afraid of it? LSU just fired both their AD and coach.

IowaBear said:

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……... I'm obviously not an alum so I can't even be mad at her. ………

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Of course you can be mad at her… she's ruining our program.
if you love Baylor Football, you cannot be any more disappointed than
those of us who happen to have gone to school at BU.
We're all in this together and it's painful…..

Linda is not leading. She should stand up, speak, and explain herself and the plan. The BS PR department release is not enough. The fans and alumni deserve more, and the current admin and Board just do not seem to care. She had a chance to do something great in a defining moment in Baylor's history, and once again it was "Baylored".

We have a PR department?

Based on yesterday"s release, you wouldn't think so.

IowaBear said:

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I have no idea what the hell you were watching when Briles was at Bu but it sure wasn't Baylor football. "Held together by duct tape" is a hell of a spin. Briles was building something truly special towards the end of his tenure. The big blemish was the MSU debacle. Which ironically proves BU was capable of playing with the big boys. Recruiting on the defensive side had picked up as well. Dixon, Billings were both big time recruits. I'm not sure how any sane person can look at the last few years of Briles tenure and say "yeah that program is being held together by duct tape"
The dude went into Stillwater with a 3rd string QB and demolished a top 10 Okie St his last season. He not only had top end starters he was building elite depth

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It was not a crack at Briles. He is as close as we got. But even then we were taking players that had no other option, the game experience was not like the B10 and other big programs. Every game was a who had the ball last won.

It was a crack at the BU Admin. Just like Franklin's was at VT's administration. THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE THERE OR AT BEST YOU GET BRILES AND WORST A STRING OF 5 WIN SEASONS.

I think time is giving you rose colored glasses about the Briles era. Go back and watch some of the tapes from the games and tell me it screamed Professionalism. You guys make that era more than it was. I can tell you not living in Central Texas Baylor was NOT perceived as you think in that era.

Baylor backed themselves into a corner by waiting until aranda's stock price is so low that no one wants him. Leaving Baylor with only two options; fork out $15 million or keep him. If dave had any integrity he would quit.

Sure they do... that's why I don't get Linda's response. If it was really to keep the current roster and recruiting class together... then YIKES! Neither are staying put with DA pretty much DOAed for 2027-2028.

Obviously a poor one, and that response probably took them days to get together for their big release to help calm the waters. It even mentioned that the masses would go crazy over the plan, and yep... they were correct.

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Baylor, even under Briles, NEVER met this standard. Some pieces were in place, but overall it ALWAYS feels, and felt under Briles, like we were piecing it together with duct tape. We were taking other programs cast offs, we were not able to recruit both sides of the ball, and even once we got top notch facilities that games STILL felt amateurish compared to B10 and Bluebloods.

Next AD HAS to fix this or it doesn't matter who they hire.

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Wrong on so many levels. Did you even attend games when Briles' teams were running opponents out of a packed new stadium furnished by big time donors?

You can paint Baylor administration as not being big time believers in athletics but fans were not the problem in Briles years and we were big time football.

Trying to figure out the purpose and timing of the announcement.

To stamp out speculation of a new head coach, and the conclusion by everyone else that firing of DA was inevitable. And then pray that Baylor wins its last two games, gets a bowl and wins it, and everyone is happy again, basically pretend the last couple of weeks never happened.

Best I can come up with. But it's a pretty big risk. Not the best possible look. But I don't know if there is a way for it to not be awkward under the circumstances.

FLBear5630 said:

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IowaBear said:

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I have no idea what the hell you were watching when Briles was at Bu but it sure wasn't Baylor football. "Held together by duct tape" is a hell of a spin. Briles was building something truly special towards the end of his tenure. The big blemish was the MSU debacle. Which ironically proves BU was capable of playing with the big boys. Recruiting on the defensive side had picked up as well. Dixon, Billings were both big time recruits. I'm not sure how any sane person can look at the last few years of Briles tenure and say "yeah that program is being held together by duct tape"
The dude went into Stillwater with a 3rd string QB and demolished a top 10 Okie St his last season. He not only had top end starters he was building elite depth

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It was not a crack at Briles. He is as close as we got. But even then we were taking players that had no other option, the game experience was not like the B10 and other big programs. Every game was a who had the ball last won.

It was a crack at the BU Admin. Just like Franklin's was at VT's administration. THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE THERE OR AT BEST YOU GET BRILES AND WORST A STRING OF 5 WIN SEASONS.

I think time is giving you rose colored glasses about the Briles era. Go back and watch some of the tapes from the games and tell me it screamed Professionalism. You guys make that era more than it was. I can tell you not living in Central Texas Baylor was NOT perceived as you think in that era.

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That's a myth that we were taking players with no other options.

30aBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Here is the difference between hiring a professional that expects to win and knows what it look like and a Coordinator. This is James Franklin at Virgina Tech:

"Does it look, feel, smell and operate like a big-time program?" Franklin said, per ESPN's David Hale. "All those things need to be in place. ... I think the previous coaches here were in some challenging situations. That's the truth of it.
"There's some things that we're going to have to look at, and it's not just James Franklin. It's the marketing office, the ticketing office. Everybody's got to take some time and look in the mirror and say, 'Are we operating like a big-time program?'"


Baylor, even under Briles, NEVER met this standard. Some pieces were in place, but overall it ALWAYS feels, and felt under Briles, like we were piecing it together with duct tape. We were taking other programs cast offs, we were not able to recruit both sides of the ball, and even once we got top notch facilities that games STILL felt amateurish compared to B10 and Bluebloods.

Next AD HAS to fix this or it doesn't matter who they hire.

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Briles wasn't out there scooping up trash players. He found kids who fit his system. Most were 2 to 3 star guys, then he'd mix in a couple high 3 stars and a few 4 stars and make it all work.

Yeah, he took chances on some kids with off the field issues. A lot of these guys aren't coming from River Oaks, Highland Park, or any of those places. Some of the best players in the country grow up in tough situations, broken families, whatever, and football is their way out. They needed structure, a father figure, and Briles was that for them. He turned a ton of those kids around and set them on the right path.

The big programs wanted those same players too, but they'd use them up and spit them out. Briles actually invested in them. That's why his players loved him then and still do now. Some of the classiest guys to ever wear the green and gold swear by him because he changed their lives.

But now our BOR has essentially created a checklist that every recruit has to fit before we can even make an offer. Somebody stole a sandwich once? Nope, off the board. Meanwhile, those same kids can head to A&M, UT, LSU, Tech, wherever, and those schools won't think twice.

Just another hurdle the next AD and coach are going to have to deal with.

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I get it. Yeah, some are classy, good guys. Others are still serving time and almost got BU the death penalty. You can't seperate one from the other.

The purpose of the post was not to get into Briles, he was brough in to show that EVEN the almighty Briles suffered from the Administration NOT being where it needs to be. AND top coaches, like Franklin, are calling them on it. Briles would have BEEN MORE successful with the organization Franklin is talking about and wouldn't HAVE TO TAKE RISKS on players he did to win.

But, naturally the Briles Mafia has to go ballistic on any conversation he was involved in. Hell, according to Iowa because he beat OSU once with a 3rd string QB we were Ohio State...

Plus... the team is away in Arizona.

30aBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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IowaBear said:

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I have no idea what the hell you were watching when Briles was at Bu but it sure wasn't Baylor football. "Held together by duct tape" is a hell of a spin. Briles was building something truly special towards the end of his tenure. The big blemish was the MSU debacle. Which ironically proves BU was capable of playing with the big boys. Recruiting on the defensive side had picked up as well. Dixon, Billings were both big time recruits. I'm not sure how any sane person can look at the last few years of Briles tenure and say "yeah that program is being held together by duct tape"
The dude went into Stillwater with a 3rd string QB and demolished a top 10 Okie St his last season. He not only had top end starters he was building elite depth

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It was not a crack at Briles. He is as close as we got. But even then we were taking players that had no other option, the game experience was not like the B10 and other big programs. Every game was a who had the ball last won.

It was a crack at the BU Admin. Just like Franklin's was at VT's administration. THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE THERE OR AT BEST YOU GET BRILES AND WORST A STRING OF 5 WIN SEASONS.

I think time is giving you rose colored glasses about the Briles era. Go back and watch some of the tapes from the games and tell me it screamed Professionalism. You guys make that era more than it was. I can tell you not living in Central Texas Baylor was NOT perceived as you think in that era.

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That's a myth that we were taking players with no other options.

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Ok. Remove Briles from the conversation. When he was here Baylor was a well oiled machine and Gene Smith at Ohio State were scared we were going to take their recruiting class.. OK?

The point of the quote is does Baylor feel like a Big Time Program? I would say these posts answer the question.

IowaBear said:

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I have no idea what the hell you were watching when Briles was at Bu but it sure wasn't Baylor football. "Held together by duct tape" is a hell of a spin. Briles was building something truly special towards the end of his tenure. The big blemish was the MSU debacle. Which ironically proves BU was capable of playing with the big boys. Recruiting on the defensive side had picked up as well. Dixon, Billings were both big time recruits. I'm not sure how any sane person can look at the last few years of Briles tenure and say "yeah that program is being held together by duct tape"
The dude went into Stillwater with a 3rd string QB and demolished a top 10 Okie St his last season. He not only had top end starters he was building elite depth

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Yes, the Chris Johnson game.

One of the few times where Briles might have made a mistake when it came to the QB position.

Johnson should have been the primary backup that season, and not Jarrett Stidham.

After Seth Russell went down, we should have rolled with Johnson instead, as he was bigger and had more experience in Briles's system.

Plus, Johnson brought more of a 'big play' threat with his arm than Stidham.

If he'd been elevated to the starter role from the get-go, Johnson would have gained valuable reps as the team's #1, and we probably would have pulled out an extra win along the way and wound up in the Sugar Bowl that year (instead of the Russell Athletics Bowl in Orlando).

Might have also resulted in him staying (and not transferring out to UH).

Russell was really not the same QB after he went down that first time in 2015, so having Johnson in the mix would have given us 2 solid options going into 2016.

And with Russell going down again in 2016, I'm guessing we would have found a way to finish better than 6-6 with Johnson at the helm - even with all the chaos that went down towards the end of that year.

I like to see someone question Linda and tie her job to this continuation of DA - - if he fails, then she is gone as well.

Chris Johnson would have led Baylor to a big win over TCU if it hadn't been a monsoon. What a miserable ****ing game that was to cover. One of the major low points of my football life.

I just feel football depressed. I somehow feel worse about our football team than I was in that Canes drive thru when I heard we fired coach Briles. Just im tired of being kicked by the administration and just general attitude to football. I'm tired of everyone being ok with sub par football. I just don't know man

Guys, I just don't know. I've been for firing CDA for longer than most on this board. Really this should have been done long ago. But now we're stuck, no AD and a head coach that just doesn't get coaching. Seems to make sense that we stick with the known quantity of yet another middling season while we get an AD. I don't like it, but based on the email it doesn't sound like we're anywhere close to having a single AD on the shortlist - I mean none of us would be surprised by that, right?

So what would your plan be given that Linda is likely the worst candidate we could possibly have to hire an AD, and we don't currently have an AD to hire a good coach? How do you approach what needs to be done here?

Drive north on 35 get off when you see the sign that says Denton. Go hire both their AD and coach then drive back

ABC BEAR said:

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We have had White-Outs, Black-Outs, Gold and Green-Outs. Our next experience? Stay-Outs.

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... or maybe an 'arbys in'.

a mass roast beef mastication event. (MRBME)

set a guinness book record.

- uncle fred

D!

Liberate The Slicer!!

Dia del DougO said:

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Chris Johnson would have led Baylor to a big win over TCU if it hadn't been a monsoon. What a miserable ****ing game that was to cover. One of the major low points of my football life.

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He almost did anyways.

If not for one of our patented pass interference calls in that 1st OT (when we'd already scored first and had the lead), we likely walk out of Amon Carter with a 'W.'

But yes, the bad weather took away our big play ability, and ultimately contributed to the loss.

Seems like games at TCU always bring drama.

FLBear5630 said:

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30aBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Here is the difference between hiring a professional that expects to win and knows what it look like and a Coordinator. This is James Franklin at Virgina Tech:

"Does it look, feel, smell and operate like a big-time program?" Franklin said, per ESPN's David Hale. "All those things need to be in place. ... I think the previous coaches here were in some challenging situations. That's the truth of it.
"There's some things that we're going to have to look at, and it's not just James Franklin. It's the marketing office, the ticketing office. Everybody's got to take some time and look in the mirror and say, 'Are we operating like a big-time program?'"


Baylor, even under Briles, NEVER met this standard. Some pieces were in place, but overall it ALWAYS feels, and felt under Briles, like we were piecing it together with duct tape. We were taking other programs cast offs, we were not able to recruit both sides of the ball, and even once we got top notch facilities that games STILL felt amateurish compared to B10 and Bluebloods.

Next AD HAS to fix this or it doesn't matter who they hire.

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Briles wasn't out there scooping up trash players. He found kids who fit his system. Most were 2 to 3 star guys, then he'd mix in a couple high 3 stars and a few 4 stars and make it all work.

Yeah, he took chances on some kids with off the field issues. A lot of these guys aren't coming from River Oaks, Highland Park, or any of those places. Some of the best players in the country grow up in tough situations, broken families, whatever, and football is their way out. They needed structure, a father figure, and Briles was that for them. He turned a ton of those kids around and set them on the right path.

The big programs wanted those same players too, but they'd use them up and spit them out. Briles actually invested in them. That's why his players loved him then and still do now. Some of the classiest guys to ever wear the green and gold swear by him because he changed their lives.

But now our BOR has essentially created a checklist that every recruit has to fit before we can even make an offer. Somebody stole a sandwich once? Nope, off the board. Meanwhile, those same kids can head to A&M, UT, LSU, Tech, wherever, and those schools won't think twice.

Just another hurdle the next AD and coach are going to have to deal with.

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I get it. Yeah, some are classy, good guys. Others are still serving time and almost got BU the death penalty. You can't seperate one from the other.

The purpose of the post was not to get into Briles, he was brough in to show that EVEN the almighty Briles suffered from the Administration NOT being where it needs to be. AND top coaches, like Franklin, are calling them on it. Briles would have BEEN MORE successful with the organization Franklin is talking about and wouldn't HAVE TO TAKE RISKS on players he did to win.

But, naturally the Briles Mafia has to go ballistic on any conversation he was involved in. Hell, according to Iowa because he beat OSU once with a 3rd string QB we were Ohio State...

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Others? Who are all these guys serving time?

Bearfan1998 said:

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Drive north on 35 get off when you see the sign that says Denton. Go hire both their AD and coach then drive back

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100%. We're going to let OSU hire him though.

You realize he is probably already locked in and has been for a week or more at OSU. All these openings are going to have official announcements within 24 hours of the final game. These openings aren't really openings anymore except in the eyes of the public.

ABC BEAR said:

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We have had White-Outs, Black-Outs, Gold and Green-Outs. Our next experience? Stay-Outs.

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Yeah. In the off season they'll be fan check outs.
With respect to the BMDs apparently we've got sit outs.
In season, as you say, stay outs.

Most of us die hards will still be here next year to watch the trainwreck.

30aBear said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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This speaks volumes of baylors financial position

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We had bmd's that stated they would have paid out the contract.

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How reliably do you know this? You are saying the money is there to buy him out… but Linda doesn't want to do it?

boognish_bear said:

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30aBear said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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This speaks volumes of baylors financial position

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We had bmd's that stated they would have paid out the contract.

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How reliably do you know this? You are saying the money is there to buy him out… but Linda doesn't want to do it?

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Yeah, I have a hard time believing this. Who even are our BMD's now? Who is left that gives a **** and trusts Baylor with a bunch of money?