Streichout said:
Jordan clay to Washington now! Don't blame them one bit
The worst part is that we brought this on ourselves.
How bad is this going to get?
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The worst part is that we brought this on ourselves.
hodedofome said:
OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.
What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.
CaliBear00 said:Stefano DiMera said:Delmar 2.0 said:
I missed the part where you only support your team when they're doing good. Baylor football has been thru much worse multiple times yet people are bailing like rats off the Titanic. Dear Lord today's world is so f'ed up.
Sic'em Bears!..........forever & always.
You can tell the people who have never competed in a sport in their life. That's the life lesson sports teaches you.. sometimes you get kicked down but you still get up and compete.
No one is more pissed than me in our situation.. I've seen people on here say they hope we lose every game next year.
As I watched Caden Knighten on a backboard lying motionless on the field I thought about those people. You're not turning your back on Mack Linda or Dave but those kids who bust their ass from June to December for our entertainment.
It's pure selfishness to be WISHING for us to return to the Steele era.
Whoever puts the jersey on next year deserves our support. No matter who's coaching.
Do kindly get over yourself. There's bad times, and then there's self-inflicted wounds and gross incompetence. I'm not wasting my precious free time on a program that clearly doesn't care, or even know they're doing.
I stopped watching Baylor football after the TCU loss. If there was any game that defined Aranda's ineptitude, it was that loss.
I watched every game of Matt Rhule's 1-11 season. I knew that Baylor team was a team that was progressively building towards a better future. What's going on next season? This ain't that. We have recruits fleeing with the season over for less than 24 hours.
So spare us the true fans BS.
Reading is fundamental.
You are free to do as you choose where you spend your money and time on Saturday afternoons in the fall.
I said the fans wishing for us to lose are selfish.
Check you first paragraph, my dude. It's pretty clear what the intent is there.
CaliBear00 said:
Check you first paragraph, my dude. It's pretty clear what the intent is there.
Yep…….starting with the "I have more credibility than you" argument definitely leads to backlash.
Welp, all bad news.
Trying my best to look at the less schiffy side. Just hoping that there will be a little trickle-down effect where we catch a few falling crumbs, some 3 star guys that got replaced by our higher ranked recruits and others.
At least maybe get a top 40ish class, it could be somewhat tolerable. Portal needs to be slam dunk, especially for some big dude defensive guys.
Trying my best to look at the less schiffy side. Just hoping that there will be a little trickle-down effect where we catch a few falling crumbs, some 3 star guys that got replaced by our higher ranked recruits and others.
At least maybe get a top 40ish class, it could be somewhat tolerable. Portal needs to be slam dunk, especially for some big dude defensive guys.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
Dia del DougO said:
Welp, all bad news.
Trying my best to look at the less schiffy side. Just hoping that there will be a little trickle-down effect where we catch a few falling crumbs, some 3 star guys that got replaced by our higher ranked recruits and others.
At least maybe get a top 40ish class, it could be somewhat tolerable. Portal needs to be slam dunk, especially for some big dude defensive guys.
We've already dropped to the 70s in just 24 hours. Going to be difficult to recruit guys to play for someone who will be gone next season. It's going to come down to overlooked three star guys who just want a scholarship anywhere.
CaliBear00 said:Dia del DougO said:
Welp, all bad news.
Trying my best to look at the less schiffy side. Just hoping that there will be a little trickle-down effect where we catch a few falling crumbs, some 3 star guys that got replaced by our higher ranked recruits and others.
At least maybe get a top 40ish class, it could be somewhat tolerable. Portal needs to be slam dunk, especially for some big dude defensive guys.
We've already dropped to the 70s in just 24 hours. Going to be difficult to recruit guys to play for someone who will be gone next season. It's going to come down to overlooked three star guys who just want a scholarship anywhere.
Right, but it will likely move up again when recruits are replaced with other recruits. There are still limits, so there will be some fallout.
Baylor needs to go in hard with the recruiting fallout to get their numbers up to a near average haul.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
Dia del DougO said:
Welp, all bad news.
Trying my best to look at the less schiffy side. Just hoping that there will be a little trickle-down effect where we catch a few falling crumbs, some 3 star guys that got replaced by our higher ranked recruits and others.
At least maybe get a top 40ish class, it could be somewhat tolerable. Portal needs to be slam dunk, especially for some big dude defensive guys.
Yep, seems like the best option is to go after portal guys and hope they all work out. Vast majority of freshmen OL and DL won't be ready to play as freshmen so we need to hope we can find some G5 starters looking for a pay raise and/or homesick SEC/B10 guys looking for playing time. We need help at every position it seems except RB (assuming the RBs return).
Zero Way to spin these 48 hours in any positive fashion.
Will Pollyanna still try to find some bright light? Yes.
Is Pollyanna effectively proving her insanity by doing so? Also yes.
Will Pollyanna still try to find some bright light? Yes.
Is Pollyanna effectively proving her insanity by doing so? Also yes.
Nope . You two saw intent that was not there because it hit too close to home
Read the entire post.. not just the first paragraph and my intent is clear
That's another problem with society. Taking things out of context and only hearing what you want to hear.
Read the entire post.. not just the first paragraph and my intent is clear
That's another problem with society. Taking things out of context and only hearing what you want to hear.
Stefano DiMera said:
Nope . You two saw intent that was not there because it hit too close to home
Read the entire post.. not just the first paragraph and my intent is clear
That's another problem with society. Taking things out of context and only hearing what you want to hear.
You really don't know how to argue or convince people.
insult, claim victimhood, insult, possibly spew some opinion along the way.
Instead try some data and analysis.
Adriacus Peratuun said:Stefano DiMera said:
Nope . You two saw intent that was not there because it hit too close to home
Read the entire post.. not just the first paragraph and my intent is clear
That's another problem with society. Taking things out of context and only hearing what you want to hear.
You really don't know how to argue or convince people.
insult, claim victimhood, insult, possibly spew some opinion along the way.
Instead try some data and analysis.
He's trying really hard to spin his way out of this one, huh?
Adriacus Peratuun said:Stefano DiMera said:
Nope . You two saw intent that was not there because it hit too close to home
Read the entire post.. not just the first paragraph and my intent is clear
That's another problem with society. Taking things out of context and only hearing what you want to hear.
You really don't know how to argue or convince people.
insult, claim victimhood, insult, possibly spew some opinion along the way.
Instead try some data and analysis.
Arguing on the internet in any form is for governors from Minnesota.
What are you babbling about.
There was no insult in my response.
Just an explanation that you chose to take the first paragraph out of context.
Are you a lonely dry housewife? Cause you're posting like one .
That's an insult.
There was no insult in my response.
Just an explanation that you chose to take the first paragraph out of context.
Are you a lonely dry housewife? Cause you're posting like one .
That's an insult.
CaliBear00 said:Dia del DougO said:
Welp, all bad news.
Trying my best to look at the less schiffy side. Just hoping that there will be a little trickle-down effect where we catch a few falling crumbs, some 3 star guys that got replaced by our higher ranked recruits and others.
At least maybe get a top 40ish class, it could be somewhat tolerable. Portal needs to be slam dunk, especially for some big dude defensive guys.
We've already dropped to the 70s in just 24 hours. Going to be difficult to recruit guys to play for someone who will be gone next season. It's going to come down to overlooked three star guys who just want a scholarship anywhere.
But Linda's letter said that we have a great recruiting class lined up for 2026?
Our abysmal leadership would be funny if it were not so sad.
Adriacus Peratuun said:
Zero Way to spin these 48 hours in any positive fashion.
Will Pollyanna still try to find some bright light? Yes.
Is Pollyanna effectively proving her insanity by doing so? Also yes.
Don't mistake for pollyanna. Just trying to figure out the best possible, or less schiffy, outcome from a massive pile of crap that Baylor dumped on itself.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
There is not a legit upside to this by any means.
But you take what you have available. Baylor has spots to fill. There are still going to be guys looking for spots, while most are filled up.
Not a good situation by any means. There's no way to make this debacl a net positive, or anything close But we aren't likely to have a 100 ranked recruiting class like some people are thinking.
But you take what you have available. Baylor has spots to fill. There are still going to be guys looking for spots, while most are filled up.
Not a good situation by any means. There's no way to make this debacl a net positive, or anything close But we aren't likely to have a 100 ranked recruiting class like some people are thinking.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
Dia del DougO said:Adriacus Peratuun said:
Zero Way to spin these 48 hours in any positive fashion.
Will Pollyanna still try to find some bright light? Yes.
Is Pollyanna effectively proving her insanity by doing so? Also yes.
Don't mistake for pollyanna. Just trying to figure out the best possible, or less schiffy, outcome from a massive pile of crap that Baylor dumped on itself.
Not calling out anyone.
BTW….there is no "best possible" outcome simply variations of terribly horrid outcomes.
CaliBear00 said:hodedofome said:
OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.
What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.
Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.
JP1037 said:CaliBear00 said:hodedofome said:
OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.
What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.
Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.
You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???
Robert Wilson said:
I think there is a non-zero chance that the answer is really bad.
I've already had a couple of buddies that I've had season tickets with for over 20 years say they are not doing it again next year.
Certainly does not feel like it has been a good use of my time. I'm not sure what I will do, and I've been giving at a pretty high level. For me, it's not so much about the money. It's more about the investment of my time. At a point, it feels like a silly way to spend that much of my time if Baylor doesn't care that much about it and is not committed to it. I could do all sorts of other things with those weekend hours.
I think we may find out next year what the absolute core of the fan base looks like. Unless they pull a rabbit out of a hat, and I'm not sure how they do it, we may get to see the absolute modern nadir of Baylor football support.
There might have been 20,000 people there Saturday. It can go lower.
Edited to add: does anyone have a sense of what interest or support looks like at the real BMD level? I mean, like the founder suite guys and their ilk? The anecdotal info I have on that is not good, but I'm not really in the know there. Is there a next gen of those guys?
We're gonna make the ESPN Bottom 10. They'll have to give us a nickname first though, like UMess, UTEP One and Niners, etc…
Dia del DougO said:
There is not a legit upside to this by any means.
But you take what you have available. Baylor has spots to fill. There are still going to be guys looking for spots, while most are filled up.
Not a good situation by any means. There's no way to make this debacl a net positive, or anything close But we aren't likely to have a 100 ranked recruiting class like some people are thinking.
We're over halfway there, stay tuned.
BEAR 45 said:JP1037 said:CaliBear00 said:hodedofome said:
OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.
What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.
Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.
You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???
I'm concerned that we've disenfranchised so many BMDs that we don't have access to the needed funds.
But I don't know that for certain.
CaliBear00 said:Dia del DougO said:
Welp, all bad news.
Trying my best to look at the less schiffy side. Just hoping that there will be a little trickle-down effect where we catch a few falling crumbs, some 3 star guys that got replaced by our higher ranked recruits and others.
At least maybe get a top 40ish class, it could be somewhat tolerable. Portal needs to be slam dunk, especially for some big dude defensive guys.
We've already dropped to the 70s in just 24 hours. Going to be difficult to recruit guys to play for someone who will be gone next season. It's going to come down to overlooked three star guys who just want a scholarship anywhere.
There is no certainty that he will be gone after next season. The only statement made is he is being retained and that the new AD will make decisions going forward. We don't know what recruits are being told. There is no certainty in this situation, including overly optimistic or overly pessimistic "predictions" you read on this board. The picture will only clear somewhat after signing day, the portal closes and the new AD is in place and issues statements.
Streichout said:
Jordan clay to Washington now! Don't blame them one bit
Administration overestimates the extent people want to play for a coach that has no clue. One of many miscalculations.
Robert Wilson said:BEAR 45 said:JP1037 said:CaliBear00 said:hodedofome said:
OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.
What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.
Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.
You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???
I'm concerned that we've disenfranchised so many BMDs that we don't have access to the needed funds.
But I don't know that for certain.
Correct. Not all, but many.
Rhoades was a one person Wrecking Crew in alienating people.
His "I know better" routine was well oiled and used continually.
The new AD has many bridges to rebuild……not repair, rebuild.
Linda is cut along similar lines as Rhoades. So it won't be easy.
CaliBear00 said:Dia del DougO said:
Welp, all bad news.
Trying my best to look at the less schiffy side. Just hoping that there will be a little trickle-down effect where we catch a few falling crumbs, some 3 star guys that got replaced by our higher ranked recruits and others.
At least maybe get a top 40ish class, it could be somewhat tolerable. Portal needs to be slam dunk, especially for some big dude defensive guys.
We've already dropped to the 70s in just 24 hours. Going to be difficult to recruit guys to play for someone who will be gone next season. It's going to come down to overlooked three star guys who just want a scholarship anywhere.
We've inflicted a death penalty upon ourselves. We will lose the roster from this year, most of the class for next year, and no new recruits until '27/'28. We are completely boned because people didn't want to fire a guy that went 1-5 against TCU.
Adriacus Peratuun said:Robert Wilson said:BEAR 45 said:JP1037 said:CaliBear00 said:hodedofome said:
OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.
What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.
Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.
You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???
I'm concerned that we've disenfranchised so many BMDs that we don't have access to the needed funds.
But I don't know that for certain.
Correct. Not all, but many.
Rhoades was a one person Wrecking Crew in alienating people.
His "I know better" routine was well oiled and used continually.
The new AD has many bridges to rebuild……not repair, rebuild.
Linda is cut along similar lines as Rhoades. So it won't be easy.
Just reviewed our board of regents. I'm afraid this is a long road that never turns.
Meanwhile, Tcu ends the year just as good as we/they did last year.
That's what irritates me the most is seeing our rivals (people we also interact with daily) doing way better than is and the powers that be dont seem to care.
Boy, donI feel like a fool for believing we would be big-time ever again.
That's what irritates me the most is seeing our rivals (people we also interact with daily) doing way better than is and the powers that be dont seem to care.
Boy, donI feel like a fool for believing we would be big-time ever again.
Robert Wilson said:BEAR 45 said:JP1037 said:CaliBear00 said:hodedofome said:
OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.
What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.
Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.
You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???
I'm concerned that we've disenfranchised so many BMDs that we don't have access to the needed funds.
But I don't know that for certain.
That was my indirect point. Everyone assumes the money is there for Admin to make the call that so many fans are calling for. It obviously is not !
It's looking more and more like we're sacrificing next year so that we can reload everything for the year after.
Next season might very well be will the rock-bottom low point for the Baylor Football program in the past 3 decades.
And Dave will continue to collect millions.....next season and beyond.
And Dave will continue to collect millions.....next season and beyond.
Our Sunday School approach to everything really puts us in a bind for whatever reason.
I know I will be reminded we are a Private Christian school, but to me that creates a weakness that we take full advantage of.
Not sure how to adjust that, but sure wishbwe could serve up a different version of that while still holding to our values.
I know I will be reminded we are a Private Christian school, but to me that creates a weakness that we take full advantage of.
Not sure how to adjust that, but sure wishbwe could serve up a different version of that while still holding to our values.
Robert Wilson said:Adriacus Peratuun said:Robert Wilson said:BEAR 45 said:JP1037 said:CaliBear00 said:hodedofome said:
OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.
What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.
Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.
You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???
I'm concerned that we've disenfranchised so many BMDs that we don't have access to the needed funds.
But I don't know that for certain.
Correct. Not all, but many.
Rhoades was a one person Wrecking Crew in alienating people.
His "I know better" routine was well oiled and used continually.
The new AD has many bridges to rebuild……not repair, rebuild.
Linda is cut along similar lines as Rhoades. So it won't be easy.
Just reviewed our board of regents. I'm afraid this is a long road that never turns.
This is board of regents level incompetence. Which is why I think they were behind the letter. Every secular school faced what we faced in 2016 and they didn't fire everyone and attempt suicide. Now we have to keep Aranda bc we have no AD. BS. Name one of the assistants as interim.
Btw, where are all the Aranda fans?
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