homey d clown said:

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Thee University said:

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You boys need to face reality. We need to do something creative and not get thrown to the side of the road or get run over.

WEST
Rice
Stanford
SMU
Baylor
Tulsa
Tulane
USC
Stanford


EAST
Boston College
Syracuse
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Miami
Vanderbilt
Wake Forest
Duke

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No TCU?

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I'm ok with that.

PaperBear89 said:

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Thee University said:

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PaperBear89 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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PaperBear89 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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In other words, we should just join UMHB and Howard Payne? Maybe we could dominate them?

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Better than getting our ass kicked by a larger commuter school.

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Were you in the French Army at some point?
The Big XII is a good spot for Baylor right now. The future is always in doubt until you just give up. Then the future is certain.

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Being in the Big 12 (which exists today) is not the problem. Not being in the SEC or BIG is and will continue to be the problem.

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Get used to it. We are NEVER going to be invited into the SEC or Big 10. The Big 12 is weak. Uninspiring. Geographically ridiculous.

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Oh, I totally agree with you. My point is our P4 conference will be no mas soon enough, so why not get a jump on trying something more realistic with actual student athletes who are part of the student body and have a bond with the school.

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I really don't think the math works for the P2's to end up with more money per school if you basically add more schools to the mix and then divide the money out among whoever are the "chosen". And if they don't, why would they ever be for it? There mathematically also must be schools in those super leagues that are losers. Think there fans would be happy? The school not in P2 now, might be better financially, but if they are in the bottom of the conference, with no realistic way to move up because those above them are the ones that really have the outside money to pour in, why would you even want to be involved in that?

This may be the most athletic ponzi scheme ever devised.

Stanford has already given us the middle finger. What more do you want, a double bird? USC is going to trade $100 million annual income for your proposal? Vandy $$$$ lol.

I'd imagine Tulsa and Rice and Tulane would consider. Wake would be a given. What network is going to pay more than a few bucks to see empty seats?

I think the Big 12 fortunately has a small change agreement with the networks until at least five or six more years that cannot be undone and will never be repeated.

McLane would look like Burnett on Friday night.

Back in '74 when for a while the privates had a better W/L than the states. I heard that Abner McCall said that the SWC should just be Baylor, TCU, SMU, "and if we can find anyone at Rice who owns a Bible we'll let them in too."

nachothrasher said:

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There are dumb ideas and then there are dumber ideas…

Just because we are mediocre these past two years is no reason to give up

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Yes that would suck. That's the day. I stop giving the money I'm giving for sports.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Thee University said:

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You boys need to face reality. We need to do something creative and not get thrown to the side of the road or get run over.

WEST
Rice
Stanford
SMU
Baylor
Tulsa
Tulane
USC
Stanford


EAST
Boston College
Syracuse
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Miami
Vanderbilt
Wake Forest
Duke

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You start with a faulty premise. The "private" schools are tired of the direction of college football. Then you create conferences that has ND right in the middle.

ND is overjoyed with how things are.

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He started with a faulty premise and proceeded to a faulty conclusion. Why? Because the teams listed are all too different in their TV markets. Its the same reason all the realignment occurred in the first place. Because teams were too different. Arkansas, who was one of the early teams to jump conferences, was too different in TV market from some of the SWC (Rice etc). The same was true with the Big12. Teams like Nebraska found a better fit in the Big10 (more TV $ etc). Ditto Oklahoma, A&M and UT in the SEC. The same exists with the list Thee has for the private schools. Rice is too different from ND. Tulane is too different Miami. I'm talking in terms of TV markets. Now, could some of this list work. Sure. But, the entire list for sure won't work. Big TV market teams aren't going to team up with small TV market teams.

Hey, I've got a great idea. Let's just sit around with our thumbs up each other's keisters and do nothing, say nothing, propose nothing.

I'm certain the NCAA has Baylor up on a pedestal and will inevitably protect BU.

ScottS said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Thee University said:

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You boys need to face reality. We need to do something creative and not get thrown to the side of the road or get run over.

WEST
Rice
Stanford
SMU
Baylor
Tulsa
Tulane
USC
Stanford


EAST
Boston College
Syracuse
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Miami
Vanderbilt
Wake Forest
Duke

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You start with a faulty premise. The "private" schools are tired of the direction of college football. Then you create conferences that has ND right in the middle.

ND is overjoyed with how things are.

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He started with a faulty premise and proceeded to a faulty conclusion. Why? Because the teams listed are all too different in their TV markets. It's the same reason all the realignment occurred in the first place. Because teams were too different. Arkansas, who was one of the early teams to jump conferences, was too different in TV market from some of the SWC (Rice etc). The same was true with the Big12. Teams like Nebraska found a better fit in the Big10 (more TV $ etc). Ditto Oklahoma, A&M and UT in the SEC. The same exists with the list Thee has for the private schools. Rice is too different from ND. Tulane is too different Miami. I'm talking in terms of TV markets. Now, could some of this list work. Sure. But, the entire list for sure won't work. Big TV market teams aren't going to team up with small TV market teams.

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Agreed. It's a good fantasy league discussion, nothing more. Most here recognize that, but some get their chains yanked.

I do agree that we need to be proactive and think outside the box. Sitting around and doing nothing is going to screw us over in the end. I don't think this is the right move now. I think this would be the move we make after things fall apart. We can agree that we need to stop sitting around, but I don't agree with this move.

Thee University said:

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You boys need to face reality. We need to do something creative and not get thrown to the side of the road or get run over.

WEST
Rice
Stanford
SMU
Baylor
Tulsa
Tulane
USC
Stanford


EAST
Boston College
Syracuse
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Miami
Vanderbilt
Wake Forest
Duke

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There's no way we are ever in the same conference as ND, USC or Northwestern. It ain't happening, so put that to rest. The only scenario of BU and Miami sharing a conference would be if BU survives a conference merger. I see that as highly unlikely given the school's current leadership.

I can see a scenario where the best of the Big 12 and ACC merge their teams with the highest attendance in order for those schools to compete. Not much different than merging the best of the SWC and Big 8 back in the day.

If and only if that were to happen than the private school scenario might playout. But until that happens I'm not for relagating the Bears to Group of 5.

If it did happen that would be big no to Stanford.

I'd go BU, TCU, SMU, Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, Duke, Wake, Boston College, Syracuse, not private but on the smaller side, I would add Army and Navy. You could have east/west divisions and play three teams in the other division in two year cycles like the original Big 12.

The Golden Domers have once again done themselves no favors by refusing to play post season with mere mortals.

The egos and greed that permeates the big, state schools along with sky rocketing NIL money, transfer portal abuse because junior is not getting to play enough is sickening to a growing percentage of college football fans.

Coaches making millions a year? Players driving Rolls Royces around campus? Players not going to many of their classes.

The inmates are running the prison system! Right into the ground.

Thee University said:

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The Golden Domers have once again done themselves no favors by refusing to play post season with mere mortals.

The egos and greed that permeates the big, state schools along with sky rocketing NIL money, transfer portal abuse because junior is not getting to play enough is sickening to a growing percentage of college football fans.

Coaches making millions a year? Players driving Rolls Royces around campus? Players not going to many of their classes.

The inmates are running the prison system! Right into the ground.

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Truth