Baylorbears111 said:
Why did Baylor decide to stick with Dave Aranda?
The more national media runs these stories the more egg is going to be on the admins faces when the new AD fires him. What a mess.
PaperBear89 said:
Thanks for sharing. All anger about current situation and politics aside, Livingstone is probably more tuned into this debacle than people are giving her credit for. She cares about sports, as I dont think you can be a former D1 athlete and not give a crap. But its up to the BOR to set priorities for Baylor and, based on what I've read it's pretty much the same old pearl-clutching farts who have been running the place since I was a student. Even if they decide to prioritize football, there is the dinero issue: We ain't got any.
Bottom line is the bottom line. Hence my recommendation to drop out of P4 football.
PaperBear89 said:
Thanks for sharing. All anger about current situation and politics aside, Livingstone is probably more tuned into this debacle than people are giving her credit for. She cares about sports, as I dont think you can be a former D1 athlete and not give a crap. But its up to the BOR to set priorities for Baylor and, based on what I've read it's pretty much the same old pearl-clutching farts who have been running the place since I was a student. Even if they decide to prioritize football, there is the dinero issue: We ain't got any.
Bottom line is the bottom line. Hence my recommendation to drop out of P4 football.
PaperBear89 said:
Even if they decide to prioritize football, there is the dinero issue: We ain't got any.
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"We have to really work with our donors to step up. We have to work with sponsorships, we have to work on companies that will walk beside us for NIL sponsorships," Livingstone said. "That's going to be a really big focus for a new athletic director. ... That's what many, many institutions are looking at right now. How do we supplement and grow financial support for athletics in a way that's different than we've done it in the past that doesn't put as much burden on our institutions?"
Bearknuckle said:
I hope this article provides a mustard seed of faith, hope and encouragement to some folks here. Linda comes across as very clear-eyed about her own challenges and those of the broader landscape.
Her statement about new partnerships feels like potentially a big tell about our AD search:Quote:
"We have to really work with our donors to step up. We have to work with sponsorships, we have to work on companies that will walk beside us for NIL sponsorships," Livingstone said. "That's going to be a really big focus for a new athletic director. ... That's what many, many institutions are looking at right now. How do we supplement and grow financial support for athletics in a way that's different than we've done it in the past that doesn't put as much burden on our institutions?"
I would not be surprised if our new AD is someone with a pro sports background with an emphasis on marketing, or someone with a background as an agent.
Baylor has a unique brand: a commitment to Christian heritage and spirituality as crucial to human flourishing; a great academic/educational reputation, especially within the medical, legal, and financial industries; a beautiful campus; a vibrant history...for the right person with the right vision, I think Baylor presents a tremendous opportunity to partner with organizations across a variety of industries/sectors.
Add-in that we have coaching staffs that have proven they can win on the biggest stages when they've got the right talent, and our skies should look pretty bright & clear to the right candidate...
Stefano DiMera said:
We got money. Don't believe that lie.
It's why/where/if we want to spend it.
Stefano DiMera said:Bearknuckle said:
I hope this article provides a mustard seed of faith, hope and encouragement to some folks here. Linda comes across as very clear-eyed about her own challenges and those of the broader landscape.
Her statement about new partnerships feels like potentially a big tell about our AD search:Quote:
"We have to really work with our donors to step up. We have to work with sponsorships, we have to work on companies that will walk beside us for NIL sponsorships," Livingstone said. "That's going to be a really big focus for a new athletic director. ... That's what many, many institutions are looking at right now. How do we supplement and grow financial support for athletics in a way that's different than we've done it in the past that doesn't put as much burden on our institutions?"
I would not be surprised if our new AD is someone with a pro sports background with an emphasis on marketing, or someone with a background as an agent.
Baylor has a unique brand: a commitment to Christian heritage and spirituality as crucial to human flourishing; a great academic/educational reputation, especially within the medical, legal, and financial industries; a beautiful campus; a vibrant history...for the right person with the right vision, I think Baylor presents a tremendous opportunity to partner with organizations across a variety of industries/sectors.
Add-in that we have coaching staffs that have proven they can win on the biggest stages when they've got the right talent, and our skies should look pretty bright & clear to the right candidate...
Nico Harrison?
Robert Wilson said:Stefano DiMera said:
We got money. Don't believe that lie.
It's why/where/if we want to spend it.
That's just another way of saying we don't have enough money.
Livingstone all but comes right out and says it herself in the article.
Stefano DiMera said:Robert Wilson said:Stefano DiMera said:
We got money. Don't believe that lie.
It's why/where/if we want to spend it.
That's just another way of saying we don't have enough money.
Livingstone all but comes right out and says it herself in the article.
She said it before that.. in the statement she released saying Aranda was coming back.
'We' is not the school. The money for a buyout has to come from donors. We have enough donors that have money that could cover $12 mil.
It's if they WANT to .
Stefano DiMera said:Robert Wilson said:Stefano DiMera said:
We got money. Don't believe that lie.
It's why/where/if we want to spend it.
That's just another way of saying we don't have enough money.
Livingstone all but comes right out and says it herself in the article.
She said it before that.. in the statement she released saying Aranda was coming back.
'We' is not the school. The money for a buyout has to come from donors. We have enough donors that have money that could cover $12 mil.
It's if they WANT to .
PaperBear89 said:Stefano DiMera said:Robert Wilson said:Stefano DiMera said:
We got money. Don't believe that lie.
It's why/where/if we want to spend it.
That's just another way of saying we don't have enough money.
Livingstone all but comes right out and says it herself in the article.
She said it before that.. in the statement she released saying Aranda was coming back.
'We' is not the school. The money for a buyout has to come from donors. We have enough donors that have money that could cover $12 mil.
It's if they WANT to .
Paying money to get your name on a building is one thing. Paying money to make some dudes go away and then pay others to replace them? (only to be forgotten when those coaches leave) That's a level of rich fandom we just don't have.
Robert Wilson said:PaperBear89 said:Stefano DiMera said:
It's if they WANT to .
Paying money to get your name on a building is one thing. Paying money to make some dudes go away and then pay others to replace them? (only to be forgotten when those coaches leave) That's a level of rich fandom we just don't have.
We'd probably have it if our donors trusted our decision makers.
Robert Wilson said:PaperBear89 said:Stefano DiMera said:Robert Wilson said:Stefano DiMera said:
We got money. Don't believe that lie.
It's why/where/if we want to spend it.
That's just another way of saying we don't have enough money.
Livingstone all but comes right out and says it herself in the article.
She said it before that.. in the statement she released saying Aranda was coming back.
'We' is not the school. The money for a buyout has to come from donors. We have enough donors that have money that could cover $12 mil.
It's if they WANT to .
Paying money to get your name on a building is one thing. Paying money to make some dudes go away and then pay others to replace them? (only to be forgotten when those coaches leave) That's a level of rich fandom we just don't have.
We'd probably have it if our donors trusted our decision makers.
blackie said:PaperBear89 said:
Thanks for sharing. All anger about current situation and politics aside, Livingstone is probably more tuned into this debacle than people are giving her credit for. She cares about sports, as I dont think you can be a former D1 athlete and not give a crap. But its up to the BOR to set priorities for Baylor and, based on what I've read it's pretty much the same old pearl-clutching farts who have been running the place since I was a student. Even if they decide to prioritize football, there is the dinero issue: We ain't got any.
Bottom line is the bottom line. Hence my recommendation to drop out of P4 football.
I think everyone in the conference, up to this point, not named Texas Tech is somewhat in the same boat regarding money. We are just in a worse boat right now because to move on to a new staff (that is assumed would do better.....but no guarantees) we have to pay out too much to just get rid of the staff we have. That seems to be where a lot of the money would be going.
edit....I should have said BYU as well, but I think most of the rest of us are in the same ball park.
edit 2.....I think from reading the article the other thing that should stand out is that there is no decision at this point to NOT keep Aranda after next year. That is going to be the decision of the new athletic director and it sounds like reading the article a lot of other things. Aranda may be labeled as a lame duck coach by the fans, but that is not set in stone, which is the way her original statement read all along. Fact is, we don't know what is being told to the recruits or the returning players concerning DA's status moving forward.
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Why has Bu never offered a beefed up Petroleum Engineering program? Doesn't see to make much sense.
Dia del DougO said:blackie said:PaperBear89 said:
Thanks for sharing. All anger about current situation and politics aside, Livingstone is probably more tuned into this debacle than people are giving her credit for. She cares about sports, as I dont think you can be a former D1 athlete and not give a crap. But its up to the BOR to set priorities for Baylor and, based on what I've read it's pretty much the same old pearl-clutching farts who have been running the place since I was a student. Even if they decide to prioritize football, there is the dinero issue: We ain't got any.
Bottom line is the bottom line. Hence my recommendation to drop out of P4 football.
I think everyone in the conference, up to this point, not named Texas Tech is somewhat in the same boat regarding money. We are just in a worse boat right now because to move on to a new staff (that is assumed would do better.....but no guarantees) we have to pay out too much to just get rid of the staff we have. That seems to be where a lot of the money would be going.
edit....I should have said BYU as well, but I think most of the rest of us are in the same ball park.
edit 2.....I think from reading the article the other thing that should stand out is that there is no decision at this point to NOT keep Aranda after next year. That is going to be the decision of the new athletic director and it sounds like reading the article a lot of other things. Aranda may be labeled as a lame duck coach by the fans, but that is not set in stone, which is the way her original statement read all along. Fact is, we don't know what is being told to the recruits or the returning players concerning DA's status moving forward.
Well, absolutely. You can't fire a coach a year in advance and have him just stick around until he is replaced.
Baylor, or at least the Prez and her closest advisors, absolutely wants Dave to succeed and continue to be Baylor's coach for years to come. They are betting on it, hoping by this time next year there would be the same sense of urgency to get a new coach.
They will hire and AD and his evaluation of football coaching likely begins next season, not the past. I mean maybe there is a 2 percent chance he my come in and insist they really need a coaching change. But timing wouldn't be great at that point. It may also be an understanding with his hiring that Dave will be the head coach in September of 2026.
That's my take, anyway.
TPartyBear said:Dia del DougO said:blackie said:PaperBear89 said:
Thanks for sharing. All anger about current situation and politics aside, Livingstone is probably more tuned into this debacle than people are giving her credit for. She cares about sports, as I dont think you can be a former D1 athlete and not give a crap. But its up to the BOR to set priorities for Baylor and, based on what I've read it's pretty much the same old pearl-clutching farts who have been running the place since I was a student. Even if they decide to prioritize football, there is the dinero issue: We ain't got any.
Bottom line is the bottom line. Hence my recommendation to drop out of P4 football.
I think everyone in the conference, up to this point, not named Texas Tech is somewhat in the same boat regarding money. We are just in a worse boat right now because to move on to a new staff (that is assumed would do better.....but no guarantees) we have to pay out too much to just get rid of the staff we have. That seems to be where a lot of the money would be going.
edit....I should have said BYU as well, but I think most of the rest of us are in the same ball park.
edit 2.....I think from reading the article the other thing that should stand out is that there is no decision at this point to NOT keep Aranda after next year. That is going to be the decision of the new athletic director and it sounds like reading the article a lot of other things. Aranda may be labeled as a lame duck coach by the fans, but that is not set in stone, which is the way her original statement read all along. Fact is, we don't know what is being told to the recruits or the returning players concerning DA's status moving forward.
Well, absolutely. You can't fire a coach a year in advance and have him just stick around until he is replaced.
Baylor, or at least the Prez and her closest advisors, absolutely wants Dave to succeed and continue to be Baylor's coach for years to come. They are betting on it, hoping by this time next year there would be the same sense of urgency to get a new coach.
They will hire ?and AD and his evaluation of football coaching likely begins next season, not the past. I mean maybe there is a 2 percent chance he my come in and insist they really need a coaching change. But timing wouldn't be great at that point. It may also be an understanding with his hiring that Dave will be the head coach in September of 2026.
That's my take, anyway.
Unless an AD has already arranged a package deal for his current HC, and the only candidate potentially in that position is BSU's that I have heard anyway, I would think a new AD would definitely not want to come in and do a coaching change after coaching change season is over. That puts him or her behind the 8 ball at the starting gate. That would just about be an idiotic move strategically by a new AD.
So I agree a new AD isn't likely going to act until after next season at the earliest depending on how it goes.
PaperBear89 said:Robert Wilson said:PaperBear89 said:Stefano DiMera said:Robert Wilson said:Stefano DiMera said:
We got money. Don't believe that lie.
It's why/where/if we want to spend it.
That's just another way of saying we don't have enough money.
Livingstone all but comes right out and says it herself in the article.
She said it before that.. in the statement she released saying Aranda was coming back.
'We' is not the school. The money for a buyout has to come from donors. We have enough donors that have money that could cover $12 mil.
It's if they WANT to .
Paying money to get your name on a building is one thing. Paying money to make some dudes go away and then pay others to replace them? (only to be forgotten when those coaches leave) That's a level of rich fandom we just don't have.
We'd probably have it if our donors trusted our decision makers.
Even then, I don't think so. As I've stated elsewhere, we have no real oil money among our alumni and our casual/regular donors (the nickels and dimes) just cant close the gap when we put 25% of our alumni into the workforce each year that the big publics do. Texas or A&M could just about buy out/rehire their football staff just using funds from their casual donors.
Used to be we could occasionally fight the good fight with decent coaching, a few good recruits, and pray that not too many of our rivals were paying players under the table. Now its all legal and the math just doesn't math.
Aliceinbubbleland said:Quote:
Why has Bu never offered a beefed up Petroleum Engineering program? Doesn't see to make much sense.
Great question.
Continuity is the name of the game in Waco.
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