The thing is McGuire has had NIL the whole time he has been at Tech at levels about what we have now and last season. He has never had a team without it competing in a conference where everyone else was doing it. He didn't have the team worth 2.5 times what everyone else has in the XII until now. His teams were like our teams the past couple of years generally when his NIL was in par with everyone else in the XII.

Btw this new AD with all his business skills and connections touted better have us in the upper stratosphere of NIL in the XII by the Fall. If he doesn't I'm going to feel like he is a bust already. That is allegedly why he has been hired even though he has no experience as an AD at all let alone regarding NIL. If this guy delivers something like Cody Campbell money in donations for Aranda to work with, Great! But he better deliver.

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

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Apples and oranges.

Joey wasn't all that impressive in Lubbock until Tech boosters started shelling out millions for players.

Without that, Joey is mid and would have been mid here too unless someone felt like throwing millions at 20 year

olds because they love throwing money away.

I've known Joey since he was at Cedar Hill as a 9th grade Coach.
Your description of him is 100% inaccurate.

Coach Goodner always told us "there's a reason you don't see any Jackasses busting out the gate at the Kentucky Derby"...you'd better have some horses in your stable...you can't coach 6'5, 4.5 in the 40, and a 40" Vertical.
"that play right there is called my DNA is better than your DNA"
Sam Harrell

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CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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Tech was loaded - roster wise - when he got there, and, in the context of that roster, he certainly underperformed in his first two seasons.

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Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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Tech was loaded - roster wise - when he got there, and, in the context of that roster, he certainly underperformed in his first two seasons.

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Envy is a bad thing. What I see here from most people is extreme envy. Can't stand someone else having success. so you have to find reasons to discredit it.You see the same thing with TDS.

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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Tech was loaded - roster wise - when he got there, and, in the context of that roster, he certainly underperformed in his first two seasons.

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Envey is a bad thing. What I see here from most people is extreme envey. Can't stand someone else having success. so you have to find reasons to discredit it.You see the same thing with TDS.

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"Envy"? Also, see:

https://wreckemred.com/2022/08/24/texas-tech-football-super-seniors-will-be-key-for-this-seasons-defense/

https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/sports/college/red-raiders/2022/12/21/six-more-tech-seniors-to-return-in-23-bringing-total-to-12/69746191007/

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BUBBFAN said:

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Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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Tech was loaded - roster wise - when he got there, and, in the context of that roster, he certainly underperformed in his first two seasons.

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Envey is a bad thing. What I see here from most people is extreme envey. Can't stand someone else having success. so you have to find reasons to discredit it.You see the same thing with TDS.

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"Envy"? Also, see:

https://wreckemred.com/2022/08/24/texas-tech-football-super-seniors-will-be-key-for-this-seasons-defense/

https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/sports/college/red-raiders/2022/12/21/six-more-tech-seniors-to-return-in-23-bringing-total-to-12/69746191007/

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Another demonstration of "Envy".

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

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Apples and oranges.

Joey wasn't all that impressive in Lubbock until Tech boosters started shelling out millions for players.

Without that, Joey is mid and would have been mid here too unless someone felt like throwing millions at 20 year

olds because they love throwing money away.

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people haven't been throwing money at Dave because they don't think he's the right guy.

People have been willing throw money at Joey because they believe he is the right guy.

I'll pay money for a steak that I will not pay for a corn dog.

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Don't let these clowns fool you. You could plug multiple different coaches into Joeys spot and they wouldn't go 12-1. There have been dozens of teams over the years with superior money for players before and after NIL. see UT and Aggy

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Jerry Jones speaking of Jimmy Johnson=Baylor fans speaking of Joey.

Cowboys=Bears

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What I wonder is how long will the money train last out in Lubbock? Tech's success ain't about Joey. He was just good enough not to **** it up.

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Hey, Jerry Jones. That you?

A drunk Jerry Jones quote with a couple nouns changed sounds like many on this board:

"There are five hundred people who could have coached Tech team to the B12 championship ... S, Dave could have coached the hell out of this team!"

Where are the Bears and the cowboys now?
Who's more drunk, Jerry or Baptist know-it-alls?

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...****ty ass Dave goes 8-4 with that 20 million dollar roster....

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Stop making stuff up & pulling numbers out of your ass. History says Dave went 12-2 with a zero dollar roster.

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Coach Goodner always told us "there's a reason you don't see any Jackasses busting out the gate at the Kentucky Derby"...you'd better have some horses in your stable...you can't coach 6'5, 4.5 in the 40, and a 40" Vertical.
"that play right there is called my DNA is better than your DNA"
Sam Harrell

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Correct. 100%. Tech has made sure they will not be left out of the next expansion while the rest of us are outside looking in.

Oh look another of Dave's cheerleaders! Only a ****ing idiot thinks Dave wins 12 games with Techs roster.
That team went 12-2 despite Dave, not because of him.

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Oh look another of Dave's cheerleaders! Only a ****ing idiot thinks Dave wins 12 games with Techs roster.
That team went 12-2 despite Dave, not because of him.

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Show me something wrong with my post




......waiting

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...****ty ass Dave goes 8-4 with that 20 million dollar roster....

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Stop making stuff up & pulling numbers out of your ass. History says Dave went 12-2 with a zero dollar roster.

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Wrong. He went 12-2 with talent evaluated by former coaches and has proven he cannot do **** since.

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Wrong. Dave was the head coach, the teams final record was 12-2. #FACTS

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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...****ty ass Dave goes 8-4 with that 20 million dollar roster....

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Stop making stuff up & pulling numbers out of your ass. History says Dave went 12-2 with a zero dollar roster.

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Wrong. He went 12-2 with talent evaluated by former coaches and has proven he cannot do **** since.

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Wrong. Dave was the head coach, the teams final record was 12-2. #FACTS

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I thought you were smarter than that but I was giving you the doubt. You've removed the doubt. If he was such a genius what happened since with his guys?

You answer the question in your question.. his guys…. Dave didn't have Rhules guys to fluff him up anymore

congrats to CJM and the whole TTech crew......

- uncle fred

.. and best of luck in the playoffs.

D!

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36-37 career record
4 losing seasons in 6 years
1-2 in bowl games
ABYSMAL record at home in B12 play
Routinely fields of of the poorest defenses in the country, can't develop players worth a ****
FACTS …. Ironically Facts that the Dave cheerleaders ignore

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still waiting..........something wrong with my post is the question at hand......try to keep up.

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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...****ty ass Dave goes 8-4 with that 20 million dollar roster....

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Stop making stuff up & pulling numbers out of your ass. History says Dave went 12-2 with a zero dollar roster.

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Wrong. He went 12-2 with talent evaluated by former coaches and has proven he cannot do **** since.

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Wrong. Dave was the head coach, the teams final record was 12-2. #FACTS

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I thought you were smarter than that but I was giving you the doubt. You've removed the doubt. If he was such a genius what happened since with his guys?

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When did I say he was a genius? He went 12-2 with a zero dollar roster. Simple. All I said.

I've answered you golfguy. I've given you a half a million reasons why Dave wouldn't go 12-1 with Techs roster. But keep living in the past Mrs Aranda. Hang on tight to that outlier run with Rhules guys. What will be your excuse for Dave after next years losing campaign? 5 in 7!! Very impressive stuff from Dave

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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Texas Tech has some "bad dudes." They are no longer tolerated on the campus of Baylor University.

TT is in the top four. Our boys will be at home eating Christmas cookies on the sofa for the holidays. It is what it is. A special shout out to Regents Murff, Reeter, and Jeffrey.

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Well said. You think Cignetti at Indiana is trying to be a nice guy and not hurt feelings which is Baylor's main criteria. He's a dadgum man that doesn't take crap from anyone, and now they're #1.

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no doubt cignetti is an arbys man...........

- uncle fred

D!

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BUBBFAN said:

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Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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Tech was loaded - roster wise - when he got there, and, in the context of that roster, he certainly underperformed in his first two seasons.

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Envey is a bad thing. What I see here from most people is extreme envey. Can't stand someone else having success. so you have to find reasons to discredit it.You see the same thing with TDS.

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"Envy"? Also, see:

https://wreckemred.com/2022/08/24/texas-tech-football-super-seniors-will-be-key-for-this-seasons-defense/

https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/sports/college/red-raiders/2022/12/21/six-more-tech-seniors-to-return-in-23-bringing-total-to-12/69746191007/

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Another demonstration of "Envy".

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Thank you for conceding on the substance of the post.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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Tech was loaded - roster wise - when he got there, and, in the context of that roster, he certainly underperformed in his first two seasons.

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"Loaded" with players who posted losing seasons in five of the six years before he got there ...

Of all the ridiculous narratives (mostly sad copes at this point) on this thread, this is the most ridiculous.

By this standard, we were way loaded this past season. How did that go for ol' Dave?

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BUBBFAN said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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Tech was loaded - roster wise - when he got there, and, in the context of that roster, he certainly underperformed in his first two seasons.

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Envey is a bad thing. What I see here from most people is extreme envey. Can't stand someone else having success. so you have to find reasons to discredit it.You see the same thing with TDS.

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"Envy"? Also, see:

https://wreckemred.com/2022/08/24/texas-tech-football-super-seniors-will-be-key-for-this-seasons-defense/

https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/sports/college/red-raiders/2022/12/21/six-more-tech-seniors-to-return-in-23-bringing-total-to-12/69746191007/

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Another demonstration of "Envy".

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The word you're looking for is cope.

It's the word of the day around here for those who have been telling us for years that Aranda is a better coach than Joey McGuire for x, y and z reasons that no longer remotely apply anymore.

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A drunk Jerry Jones quote with a couple nouns changed sounds like many on this board:

"There are five hundred people who could have coached Tech team to the B12 championship ... S, Dave could have coached the hell out of this team!"

Where are the Bears and the cowboys now?
Who's more drunk, Jerry or Baptist know-it-alls?

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This is a fantastic analogy.

And it's pretty easy to see why those folks take the stance they have. Because it means they literally never have to give Joey McGure credit for anything. If he wins, it was the money/talent, and if he loses, it's, "See, I told you he sucks."

It's little more than a hedge to save one's dignity. Let them have this. It will be all they have when we're staring seven, eight and nine spots up the Big 12 standings at Tech for the next decade -- in the hole their beloved Dave Aranda put us.

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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IowaBear said:

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...****ty ass Dave goes 8-4 with that 20 million dollar roster....

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Stop making stuff up & pulling numbers out of your ass. History says Dave went 12-2 with a zero dollar roster.

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Wrong. He went 12-2 with talent evaluated by former coaches and has proven he cannot do **** since.

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Yeah, that "zero dollar roster" had a school record number of NFL players on it. Dave hasn't produced a single NFL player since.

It seems like a pretty simple assessment, get on the train CFP will continue to move in, or get left behind. TT and even BYU continue to trend upwards in this category and will continue to be in the race every year due to adapting for what it's going to take now.

SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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Baylor doesn't, and hasn't, had $28M to put into buying the right players for Joey's program. TTU did, he recognized that, and that's why he will never be with Baylor Football again. He's better than Baylor......