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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

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Corky didn't talk to Nuggs. He yelled at them to give us a better picture during practice.

Rah-rah from Corky. Maybe if you were a Marine in basic training. Rah-rah if you didn't mind getting your helmet nearly ripped off your head in front of 50,000 to 75,000 people during a game. Pushed around. Kicked in the butt. Pushed. Shoved. Cussed out like we were dawgs. Run through drills continually until you pass out or hyperventilate.

Guess what. I still respected him and would follow him into any battle, and did.

Rah-rah? I've seen bluechippers crying during practice. Some quit and left Baylor.

My clown show is the truth. College athletes, the vast majority, roll their eyes when a coach tries to motivate with high school pep talks. Yes, some players needed it. Most starters did not. I found this true with other teams around the nation. I had a Notre Dame teammate who told hilarious stories of Gerry Faust (former high school coaching legend (178-23-2 record) failing miserably at Notre Dame (73-79-4) to deliver pre-game pep talks.

Clown Show? Maybe. I've been there and listened to both NFL Hall of Fame coaches and College Football HOF coaches deliver all types of pregame talks.

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One guy's rah-rah is another guy's cussing .
Admit it. There's some cheers you like and some you don't. You have your favorite pom-poms.

You see Joey as a rah-rah guy but you've no idea what drills and how much drilling TTU does. He's a rah-rah guy cause you say he is. This makes sense in your world.

Now we get to read you backpedaling some on the rah-rah. Like I said, CLOWNSHOW

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I am sure that Tech drills the hell out of everything, no doubt. I think that Joey is probably a very good coaching basics guy. I thought he was a very good defensive coach at BU, his group seemed to perform well.

I digress a bit, but it is similar to baseball. I noticed that coaches don't "take infield" anymore, at least not in Wisconsin and FLA where my son played, but the few guys that did their teams always fielded well and knew where to go with the ball. My Dad and I used to scratch our heads as that was basic to team play. But, we were told that is not how they do it now. From what I see, individual development may be better, but team play is worse.

I see Joey very similar. I like watching Tech play, they are sound. I just can't stand the "Joey" love over all, similar to Rhule and Briles. They are like a bunch of teenage girls. Get over it, the guy left. Why, doesn't matter... He is gone, he is the enemy now.

I also think Aranda is in the wrong place for this NIL environment and Mack and Linda F-ed the guy. He beat Joey twice with equal talent. He was good at Wisky and LSU. His situation is very similar to what I saw with Rich Rod at Michigan, the boosters don't want him. They are not going to help him. He is going to dangle and they are going to continue their Briles love...

Is Joey better, I say no. They are about the same. But, I don't put much stock in Coaches. I have known too many Coaches...

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I like people
You like brands

I don't consider people I like to be the enemy

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He coaches our opponent, he is the enemy by definition.

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He's a friend of my son. He's not my enemy.

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Really? You never played against a friend and wanted to kick his ass? You think Joey considers Baylor not his enemy because he knows your son? Maybe that explains why Dave beat him twice, he didn't want to hurt your Son's feelings.


Did you play sports? Contact sports?

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My sons not Baylor
I'm not Baylor

I'm Joe Waco

I'm the one that buys BU season tickets when the alumni that live in Houston and DFW don't or want make the drive because the product on the field isn't worth the drive.

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What does that have to do with the discussion? You said Joey was not your enemy because he and your son are buds. I said he is the HC of a major rival, he is your enemy if you are a BU fan. He certainly is not gonna take it easy on BU because of all the warm fuzzy memories and relationships. I am glad you support BU, more power to you.

Joey did what he was supposed to with the talent he was given. I hope they win the Playoff, I like Tech better than the other Schools playing. But, he is nothing but the enemy coach. Not "Joey" the friend of Baylor. He lost that when he left. So goes it when you take the multi-million dollar contract.

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You tried to make the connection with my son to Baylor by saying, " You think Joey considers Baylor not his enemy because he knows your son?"

My son, nor I have any connection to Baylor. We are fans of several schools, mostly due to relationships.

You are more of the fanatic. I'm more of the fan…of several teams.

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Theres been so much focus on the money it took to get Texas Tech into the College Football Playoff, it’s easy to forget they have a coach.

His name is Joey McGuire and it’s time to give him his flowers.

My ⁦@YahooSports⁩ column. https://t.co/FuQpw7T6U8

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) December 31, 2025

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good lord do so many people need Tech to win at least one Playoff game for it all to be worth it...but no one more than Joey himself.

I hope they win the whole dang thing, as that will go a million miles to dispelling the idea that there's some magical aura around the B1GSEC cartel and their alleged stranglehold on highest tier of the sport.

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Theres been so much focus on the money it took to get Texas Tech into the College Football Playoff, it’s easy to forget they have a coach.

His name is Joey McGuire and it’s time to give him his flowers.

My ⁦@YahooSports⁩ column. https://t.co/FuQpw7T6U8

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) December 31, 2025

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good lord do so many people need Tech to win at least one Playoff game for it all to be worth it...but no one more than Joey himself.

I hope they win the whole dang thing, as that will go a million miles to dispelling the idea that there's some magical aura around the B1GSEC cartel and their alleged stranglehold on highest tier of the sport.

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I 2nd that.

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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He's put together one heck of a staff.

Our guy had an OL coach from Tarleton State

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Theres been so much focus on the money it took to get Texas Tech into the College Football Playoff, it’s easy to forget they have a coach.

His name is Joey McGuire and it’s time to give him his flowers.

My ⁦@YahooSports⁩ column. https://t.co/FuQpw7T6U8

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) December 31, 2025

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good lord do so many people need Tech to win at least one Playoff game for it all to be worth it...but no one more than Joey himself.

I hope they win the whole dang thing, as that will go a million miles to dispelling the idea that there's some magical aura around the B1GSEC cartel and their alleged stranglehold on highest tier of the sport.

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If Tech had not just agreed to give McGuire an extension to 2032 (seriously!), I wouldn't be surprised if he was now on the hot seat. That deal has shades of Rhoades' Aranda extension.

What happened? I thought that McGwire's big CFP run was all him and had nothing to do with a billionaire buying him a team?

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What happened? I thought that McGwire's big CFP run was all him and had nothing to do with a billionaire buying him a team?

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Literally no one said this.

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Except that it's been heavily implied throughout this entire discussion, but do please go on.

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What happened? I thought that McGwire's big CFP run was all him and had nothing to do with a billionaire buying him a team?

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Literally no one said this.

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Except that it's been heavily implied throughout this entire discussion, but do please go on.

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By whom?

There's a wide gulf between giving Joey McGuire all the credit for Tech's success this season and giving him none. And only one of those has actually happened in this thread.

Anyone care to refute McGuire could not coach his way to AIDS in a bath house? ****** has just rode his life and luck for 30 years.

All he needs now is for the Tech Sugar Daddys to drop him in a $25,00,000 offensive line. $50,000,000 or so ought to guarantee him a win. Maybe $5,000,000 for special teams - kicker, deep snapper & punter. Until then, Joey is the one with the deer in the headlights stare.

Those close ups of Joey were horrific.

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What happened? I thought that McGwire's big CFP run was all him and had nothing to do with a billionaire buying him a team?

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Literally no one said this.

But if losing a playoff game results in this type of idiotic referendum, guys like Dan Lanning, Kirby Smart, Ryan Day, Dabo Swinney, Rhett Lashlee, etc., all suck, too.

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Consider the situation from Campbell's and Tech's ADs' perspective. Tech, due to its NIL commitments relative to those of its conference mates, is currently uniquely situated in all of FBS in that it has a window to be a consistent threat to win its conference, which, given that Tech is in the Big 12, means that it is also a consistent threat to make the playoffs. It's a window because at any moment in time the rules could change or another major benefactor could appear in the Big 12 that could either directly or indirectly restrict or otherwise limit Tech's unique situation. As such, it is paramount that Tech capitalize on it while it can, and, while McGuire did win the Big 12, scoring 0 points on an opponent that recently allowed 34 to a G5 does not bode well for the belief that he could imminently win a national title or otherwise seriously compete with the best of the other P4. This is where the focus comes from, and it's also why comparing McGuire to those other coaches is not an on point comparison.

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What happened? I thought that McGwire's big CFP run was all him and had nothing to do with a billionaire buying him a team?

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Literally no one said this.

But if losing a playoff game results in this type of idiotic referendum, guys like Dan Lanning, Kirby Smart, Ryan Day, Dabo Swinney, Rhett Lashlee, etc., all suck, too.

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Consider the situation from Campbell's and Tech's ADs' perspective. Tech, due to its NIL commitments relative to those of its conference mates, is currently uniquely situated in all of FBS in that it has a window to be a consistent threat to win its conference, which, given that Tech is in the Big 12, means that it is also a consistent threat to make the playoffs. It's a window because at any moment in time the rules could change or another major benefactor could appear in the Big 12 that could either directly or indirectly restrict or otherwise limit Tech's unique situation. As such, it is paramount that Tech capitalize on it while it can, and, while McGuire did win the Big 12, scoring 0 points on an opponent that recently allowed 34 to a G5 does not bode well for the belief that he could imminently win a national title or otherwise seriously compete with the best of the other P4. This is where the focus comes from, and it's also why comparing McGuire to those other coaches is not an on point comparison.

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Campbell/Tech was paying for a successful football season and just had one. They just matched our best season ever in record and one-upped us by making the CFP field at all.

I'm sure all of their donors are more than happy with their return on investment, particularly given the lack of championship success in their recent history.

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Campbell/Tech was paying for a successful football season and just had one. They just matched our best season ever in record and one-upped us by making the CFP field at all.

I'm sure all of their donors are more than happy with their return on investment, particularly given the lack of championship success in their recent history.

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Not quite a match there in our season. We did it without buying it.

Let's see them keep up that pace of buying players for a few more years.

In this new world where big paper boys who probably know very, very little about major college football we are likely to see Alabama supporters dig into their pockets to buy a new coach after this Indiana spanking.

So many dumb ass takes in this thread on McGuire.

Now they've recognized the importance of paying a good QB. I have no doubt they'll be a major force next year.

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So many dumb ass takes in this thread on McGuire.

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Not really. But some of us choose to see things as they are, as opposed to those in this thread who are afflicted with cognitive dissonance.

Today's Orange Bowl outcome is eerily similar to the outcome of the Cotton Bowl game played on 1-1-1981.

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Today's Orange Bowl outcome is eerily similar to the outcome of the Cotton Bowl game played on 1-1-1981.

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I was thinking the same thing score wise. The '81 Bears had 7 turnovers to Tech's 4.

Our defense scored our 2 points. Tech's D scored 0. So did their O.

Our performance did not cost any fat cat jock sniffers a dime. Tech's boy lost $28,000,000 or so.

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Today's Orange Bowl outcome is eerily similar to the outcome of the Cotton Bowl game played on 1-1-1981.

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I was thinking the same thing score wise. The '81 Bears had 7 turnovers to Tech's 4.

Our defense scored our 2 points. Tech's D scored 0. So did their O.

Our performance did not cost any fat cat jock sniffers a dime. Tech's boy lost $28,000,000 or so.

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Tech's "fat cat jock sniffer" was a four-year letterman on the offensive line and an all-Big 12 performer for them.

And I bet he doesn't spend half his time on message boards trying to remind people who he was.

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Poor baby. Did I hurt your feelings?

I don't have to remind people anything. I was nobody. Irrelevant. They (you) already have your mind made up about all things Baylor because you played college sports, coached college sports, sucked up to college coaches.

You might have even stayed at a Holiday Inn Express while posting your drivel.

Maybe using the term "jock sniffer" was wrong but then again I was referring to 1980 Baylor donors. It fits the majority of donors nationwide quite nicely though. The Tech boy can throw $$$ away all the rest of his life. I refuse to support any college program that pays players. That includes my alma mater.

You might want to remember that this is indeed a message/bulletin board and everybody is an expert here.

High School Joey

https://www.facebook.com/CFBonFOX/videos/this-postgame-speech-by-joey-mcguire-will-have-you-ready-to-run-through-a-brick-/499576281991229/

Everything runs through Lubbock????????????

Thee, how did your boy Dave do this year? Bigger fish to fry than crapping on Joey I'd say. Unless your happy with 5-7 and some utterly putrid play under dip**** Dave

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High School Joey

https://www.facebook.com/CFBonFOX/videos/this-postgame-speech-by-joey-mcguire-will-have-you-ready-to-run-through-a-brick-/499576281991229/

Everything runs through Lubbock????????????

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The #75 Strength of Schedule runs through Lubbock.

Watched 2 post-game press conferences yesterday, TT's and Indiana's. Both are instructive to any disgruntled BU fan willing to climb down from their high horse or ivory tower. Youtube is your friend.

Also watched Scott Drew talk about how other HCs had called him wanting to know how to do what he did to legally bring in a G-league player to fill a crying roster need. Smoak's show.

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What happened? I thought that McGwire's big CFP run was all him and had nothing to do with a billionaire buying him a team?

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You realize Oregon has their own billionaire, right?

True but that misses the point of all of this. I have not seen anyone here claim that Lanning is some sort of historic legendary type coach and at the same time ignore or minimize or attempt spin away that his current team has been bought for him.

What yesterday showed is that when there is parity, there is nothing great about McGuire. However that should already have been learned as Aranda, who the same posters say is one of the worst in P4, has not only beat him 2 out of three times when there has been parity but has beat him like a drum 2 of three times in similar fashion as yesterday.

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What happened? I thought that McGwire's big CFP run was all him and had nothing to do with a billionaire buying him a team?

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You realize Oregon has their own billionaire, right?

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yeah but the Fightin' Phil Knights apparently have a superior coaching staff (at least until Stein is actually out the door).

The whole argument here has been whether Joey is a good coach who lucked into a great situation in Lubbock (i.e. Cody Campbell's patronage), or if he was in fact also an elite coach. That argument may not be completely settled just yet, but it certainly is leaning heavily to the former scenario right now...

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What happened? I thought that McGwire's big CFP run was all him and had nothing to do with a billionaire buying him a team?

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Literally no one said this.

But if losing a playoff game results in this type of idiotic referendum, guys like Dan Lanning, Kirby Smart, Ryan Day, Dabo Swinney, Rhett Lashlee, etc., all suck, too.

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You guys like who you like.

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What happened? I thought that McGwire's big CFP run was all him and had nothing to do with a billionaire buying him a team?

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You realize Oregon has their own billionaire, right?

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yeah but the Fightin' Phil Knights apparently have a superior coaching staff (at least until Stein is actually out the door).

The whole argument here has been whether Joey is a good coach who lucked into a great situation in Lubbock (i.e. Cody Campbell's patronage), or if he was in fact also an elite coach. That argument may not be completely settled just yet, but it certainly is leaning heavily to the former scenario right now...

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The only people I've seen use the word "elite" are the folks that are not fans of Joey as they try to put words in other's mouths.

A coach does not need to be elite to be better than Dave.

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Watched 2 post-game press conferences yesterday, TT's and Indiana's. Both are instructive to any disgruntled BU fan willing to climb down from their high horse or ivory tower. Youtube is your friend.

Also watched Scott Drew talk about how other HCs had called him wanting to know how to do what he did to legally bring in a G-league player to fill a crying roster need. Smoak's show.

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It is the analytic guys and the NIL...

Football people better get with it, they are the most expendable part of this equation. The shift from player recruitment and development has happened. It is now a world of talent ID, NIL payment and systems that can easily be learned for the turnstile of players coming in and out every year. Any player coming in better be able to step on the field and play. It is now a plug and play world.

Cignetti gets it. Who does Baylor have scouring the portal for pieces that fit? Do we even know what it should look like?

I do think so on Offense. Not on D, we seem to focus on athletic bodies that can be "developed". I am not sure they have an idea of what a winning D should look like at BU. Nevermind find players to fit.

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Watched 2 post-game press conferences yesterday, TT's and Indiana's. Both are instructive to any disgruntled BU fan willing to climb down from their high horse or ivory tower. Youtube is your friend.

Also watched Scott Drew talk about how other HCs had called him wanting to know how to do what he did to legally bring in a G-league player to fill a crying roster need. Smoak's show.

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It is the analytic guys and the NIL...

Football people better get with it, they are the most expendable part of this equation. The shift from player recruitment and development has happened. It is now a world of talent ID, NIL payment and systems that can easily be learned for the turnstile of players coming in and out every year. Any player coming in better be able to step on the field and play. It is now a plug and play world.

Cignetti gets it. Who does Baylor have scouring the portal for pieces that fit? Do we even know what it should look like?

I do think so on Offense. Not on D, we seem to focus on athletic bodies that can be "developed". I am not sure they have an idea of what a winning D should look like at BU. Nevermind find players to fit.

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Even though the head coach is a world beater DC?

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What happened? I thought that McGwire's big CFP run was all him and had nothing to do with a billionaire buying him a team?

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You realize Oregon has their own billionaire, right?

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yeah but the Fightin' Phil Knights apparently have a superior coaching staff (at least until Stein is actually out the door).

The whole argument here has been whether Joey is a good coach who lucked into a great situation in Lubbock (i.e. Cody Campbell's patronage), or if he was in fact also an elite coach. That argument may not be completely settled just yet, but it certainly is leaning heavily to the former scenario right now...

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The only people I've seen use the word "elite" are the folks that are not fans of Joey as they try to put words in other's mouths.

A coach does not need to be elite to be better than Dave.

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I guess, but that cuts both ways. The only people claiming anyone says Joey sucks are the people trying to mitigate the impact of his NIL budget vis-a-vis Tech's breakout success this year. I haven't seen anyone claiming he's a flat out bad coach. Mediocre/fair-to-middling is about as ugly as it's gotten.

As for Joey vs Dave: Joey has had more NIL support than Dave this entire time, and Dave's troubles there really seem to stem from when he & Mack pursued their ridiculous Soviet approach to NIL in '22 & '23...we've yet to fully recover from that colossal mistake.

I think Joey is a good HC with elite Rah-Rah skills. We've established that I think Dave is better Xs/Os coach than the vast majority y'all do, but even from my homer's POV, his booster and fan relations have definitely been subpar.

So at this point I have no problem giving the edge to Joey as the more complete HC...frankly, that hardly seems debatable at this point. But on the flipside, Dave's H2H success when talent has been more or less equal can't simply be dismissed as a fluke.

Next year is make or break for both coaches, tbh. Although Dave might not even survive the first half of the season, Joey would have to have a historically bad implosion not to at least make it to December. But if they don't make the B12 Title game in '26, though, I do think he's probably fired too. Can't fail to win a Playoff game in back to back years with the rosters he's being given.

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What happened? I thought that McGwire's big CFP run was all him and had nothing to do with a billionaire buying him a team?

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yeah but the Fightin' Phil Knights apparently have a superior coaching staff (at least until Stein is actually out the door).

The whole argument here has been whether Joey is a good coach who lucked into a great situation in Lubbock (i.e. Cody Campbell's patronage), or if he was in fact also an elite coach. That argument may not be completely settled just yet, but it certainly is leaning heavily to the former scenario right now...

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The only people I've seen use the word "elite" are the folks that are not fans of Joey as they try to put words in other's mouths.

A coach does not need to be elite to be better than Dave.

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I guess, but that cuts both ways. The only people claiming anyone says Joey sucks are the people trying to mitigate the impact of his NIL budget vis-a-vis Tech's breakout success this year. I haven't seen anyone claiming he's a flat out bad coach. Mediocre/fair-to-middling is about as ugly as it's gotten.

As for Joey vs Dave: Joey has had more NIL support than Dave this entire time, and Dave's troubles there really seem to stem from when he & Mack pursued their ridiculous Soviet approach to NIL in '22 & '23...we've yet to fully recover from that colossal mistake.

I think Joey is a good HC with elite Rah-Rah skills. We've established that I think Dave is better Xs/Os coach than the vast majority y'all do, but even from my homer's POV, his booster and fan relations have definitely been subpar.

So at this point I have no problem giving the edge to Joey as the more complete HC...frankly, that hardly seems debatable at this point. But on the flipside, Dave's H2H success when talent has been more or less equal can't simply be dismissed as a fluke.

Next year is make or break for both coaches, tbh. Although Dave might not even survive the first half of the season, Joey would have to have a historically bad implosion not to at least make it to December. But if they don't make the B12 Title game in '26, though, I do think he's probably fired too. Can't fail to win a Playoff game in back to back years with the rosters he's being given.

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Kirby Smart just failed to win a playoff game in back-to-back years with far more talented rosters.

Some of you guys just talk to talk.