Big12Fan2024 said:

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The Oregon people seem to think Novosad already has a done deal with TCU that will be announced early next week so it sounds like no one has anything to worry about.

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Please let this happen.

FLBear5630 said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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I don't know. Maybe Novosad knew something we didn't at the time about Decaf Dave and his staff. Outside of Dallas Baker and Khenon Hall, I've not seen anyone on this staff who can actually develop players.

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Oregon did offer him a lot more money than we could, but contrary to popular belief, it wasn't just about the money. People were getting into his ear about what a big-time prospect he was and how he was too good to play in a conference where his marquee matchup would be against Texas Tech or BYU. I do blame Dave more than anything though, because he agreed to Novosad's demands to not take a quarterback in the previous class. It's one of the most dumb things Dave has done that he doesn't get enough heat for IMHO. Dave really is a guy that you could sell magic beans or Florida swamp land to

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Of course, you do. Aranda is responsible for everything negative that happens. If he recruited someone else and Novosad left you would blame him for not honoring his words.

I hear there is a Volcano erupting in Italy. Etna going off. Damn Dave...

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I actually wouldn't, but cool story bro. Have you bought your Texas Tech T-shirt at your local Goodwill yet?

CaliBear00 said:

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Big12Fan2024 said:

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The Oregon people seem to think Novosad already has a done deal with TCU that will be announced early next week so it sounds like no one has anything to worry about.

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Please let this happen.

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Be careful what you wish for...

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FLBear5630 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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I don't know. Maybe Novosad knew something we didn't at the time about Decaf Dave and his staff. Outside of Dallas Baker and Khenon Hall, I've not seen anyone on this staff who can actually develop players.

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Oregon did offer him a lot more money than we could, but contrary to popular belief, it wasn't just about the money. People were getting into his ear about what a big-time prospect he was and how he was too good to play in a conference where his marquee matchup would be against Texas Tech or BYU. I do blame Dave more than anything though, because he agreed to Novosad's demands to not take a quarterback in the previous class. It's one of the most dumb things Dave has done that he doesn't get enough heat for IMHO. Dave really is a guy that you could sell magic beans or Florida swamp land to

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Of course, you do. Aranda is responsible for everything negative that happens. If he recruited someone else and Novosad left you would blame him for not honoring his words.

I hear there is a Volcano erupting in Italy. Etna going off. Damn Dave...

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I actually wouldn't, but cool story bro. Have you bought your Texas Tech T-shirt at your local Goodwill yet?

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Nah, I am not as much of a fan as I used to be. As I said in a past tread, coaches are a dime a dozen. They are a small portion of success and with NIL and the Portal becoming less all the time. Watch Moneyball and then apply to College Football. I find the organizational dynamics between winners and losers interesting.

I find the blaming of coaches very interesting, especially guys that have won before and now are losing/.

FLBear5630 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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I don't know. Maybe Novosad knew something we didn't at the time about Decaf Dave and his staff. Outside of Dallas Baker and Khenon Hall, I've not seen anyone on this staff who can actually develop players.

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Oregon did offer him a lot more money than we could, but contrary to popular belief, it wasn't just about the money. People were getting into his ear about what a big-time prospect he was and how he was too good to play in a conference where his marquee matchup would be against Texas Tech or BYU. I do blame Dave more than anything though, because he agreed to Novosad's demands to not take a quarterback in the previous class. It's one of the most dumb things Dave has done that he doesn't get enough heat for IMHO. Dave really is a guy that you could sell magic beans or Florida swamp land to

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Of course, you do. Aranda is responsible for everything negative that happens. If he recruited someone else and Novosad left you would blame him for not honoring his words.

I hear there is a Volcano erupting in Italy. Etna going off. Damn Dave...

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???
I actually wouldn't, but cool story bro. Have you bought your Texas Tech T-shirt at your local Goodwill yet?

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Nah, I am not as much of a fan as I used to be. As I said in a past tread, coaches are a dime a dozen. They are a small portion of success and with NIL and the Portal becoming less all the time. Watch Moneyball and then apply to College Football. I find the organizational dynamics between winners and losers interesting.

I find the blaming of coaches very interesting, especially guys that have won before and now are losing/.

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You're entitled to that opinion, but I don't know what I said that set you off. Dave and Shawn Bell agreed not to take a quarterback in the previous class in order to woo Novosad. That's a widely known fact, and yes, it did come back to bite us. And not only did we not take a quarterback in the previous class, we literally had done no recruiting at all behind the scenes to develop a contingency plan, all while the guy was taking official visits to Notre Dame, A&M, and Oregon - that's how trusting Dave was of Novosad's "commitment". And I don't claim to be some experienced college recruiter, but I would bet money that there's not a single P4 school that would ever make that deal while their golden boy is taking official visits to multiple other schools.

That would be like a dude being cool with their wife going out for candlelight dinners and massages with their "tennis coach" and the husband buying the old "we're just friends, you have nothing to worry about" excuse. Like, all the signs of a decomit were there clear as day, Mr Aranda

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CaliBear00 said:

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Big12Fan2024 said:

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The Oregon people seem to think Novosad already has a done deal with TCU that will be announced early next week so it sounds like no one has anything to worry about.

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Please let this happen.

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Be careful what you wish for...

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I'm actually not worried at all.

CaliBear00 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Big12Fan2024 said:

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The Oregon people seem to think Novosad already has a done deal with TCU that will be announced early next week so it sounds like no one has anything to worry about.

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Please let this happen.

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Be careful what you wish for...

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I'm actually not worried at all.

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It really doesn't matter what qb TCU runs out there against Baylor, anyway.

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Youre a clown said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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I don't know. Maybe Novosad knew something we didn't at the time about Decaf Dave and his staff. Outside of Dallas Baker and Khenon Hall, I've not seen anyone on this staff who can actually develop players.

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Oregon did offer him a lot more money than we could, but contrary to popular belief, it wasn't just about the money. People were getting into his ear about what a big-time prospect he was and how he was too good to play in a conference where his marquee matchup would be against Texas Tech or BYU. I do blame Dave more than anything though, because he agreed to Novosad's demands to not take a quarterback in the previous class. It's one of the most dumb things Dave has done that he doesn't get enough heat for IMHO. Dave really is a guy that you could sell magic beans or Florida swamp land to

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Of course, you do. Aranda is responsible for everything negative that happens. If he recruited someone else and Novosad left you would blame him for not honoring his words.

I hear there is a Volcano erupting in Italy. Etna going off. Damn Dave...

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I actually wouldn't, but cool story bro. Have you bought your Texas Tech T-shirt at your local Goodwill yet?

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Nah, I am not as much of a fan as I used to be. As I said in a past tread, coaches are a dime a dozen. They are a small portion of success and with NIL and the Portal becoming less all the time. Watch Moneyball and then apply to College Football. I find the organizational dynamics between winners and losers interesting.

I find the blaming of coaches very interesting, especially guys that have won before and now are losing/.

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You're entitled to that opinion, but I don't know what I said that set you off. Dave and Shawn Bell agreed not to take a quarterback in the previous class in order to woo Novosad. That's a widely known fact, and yes, it did come back to bite us. And not only did we not take a quarterback in the previous class, we literally had done no recruiting at all behind the scenes to develop a contingency plan, all while the guy was taking official visits to Notre Dame, A&M, and Oregon - that's how trusting Dave was of Novosad's "commitment".

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Actually, Novosad contacted Coach Freeman to request a visit, while being 100% committed. WHO DOES THAT?!

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Ain't no such thing as 100% committed until they sign. And then it's only until the next portal.

CaliBear00 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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I don't know. Maybe Novosad knew something we didn't at the time about Decaf Dave and his staff. Outside of Dallas Baker and Khenon Hall, I've not seen anyone on this staff who can actually develop players.

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Oregon did offer him a lot more money than we could, but contrary to popular belief, it wasn't just about the money. People were getting into his ear about what a big-time prospect he was and how he was too good to play in a conference where his marquee matchup would be against Texas Tech or BYU. I do blame Dave more than anything though, because he agreed to Novosad's demands to not take a quarterback in the previous class. It's one of the most dumb things Dave has done that he doesn't get enough heat for IMHO. Dave really is a guy that you could sell magic beans or Florida swamp land to

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Of course, you do. Aranda is responsible for everything negative that happens. If he recruited someone else and Novosad left you would blame him for not honoring his words.

I hear there is a Volcano erupting in Italy. Etna going off. Damn Dave...

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???
I actually wouldn't, but cool story bro. Have you bought your Texas Tech T-shirt at your local Goodwill yet?

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Nah, I am not as much of a fan as I used to be. As I said in a past tread, coaches are a dime a dozen. They are a small portion of success and with NIL and the Portal becoming less all the time. Watch Moneyball and then apply to College Football. I find the organizational dynamics between winners and losers interesting.

I find the blaming of coaches very interesting, especially guys that have won before and now are losing/.

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You're entitled to that opinion, but I don't know what I said that set you off. Dave and Shawn Bell agreed not to take a quarterback in the previous class in order to woo Novosad. That's a widely known fact, and yes, it did come back to bite us. And not only did we not take a quarterback in the previous class, we literally had done no recruiting at all behind the scenes to develop a contingency plan, all while the guy was taking official visits to Notre Dame, A&M, and Oregon - that's how trusting Dave was of Novosad's "commitment".

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Actually, Novosad contacted Coach Freeman to request a visit, while being 100% committed. WHO DOES THAT?!

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Yep. I added it to my other post, but it would be someone's girlfriend going out for massages with their ex and telling you that you have "nothing to worry about". Like, who buys that?? I know I'm beating a dead horse, but it's still ridiculous three years later or however long it's been

Youre a clown said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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I don't know. Maybe Novosad knew something we didn't at the time about Decaf Dave and his staff. Outside of Dallas Baker and Khenon Hall, I've not seen anyone on this staff who can actually develop players.

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Oregon did offer him a lot more money than we could, but contrary to popular belief, it wasn't just about the money. People were getting into his ear about what a big-time prospect he was and how he was too good to play in a conference where his marquee matchup would be against Texas Tech or BYU. I do blame Dave more than anything though, because he agreed to Novosad's demands to not take a quarterback in the previous class. It's one of the most dumb things Dave has done that he doesn't get enough heat for IMHO. Dave really is a guy that you could sell magic beans or Florida swamp land to

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Of course, you do. Aranda is responsible for everything negative that happens. If he recruited someone else and Novosad left you would blame him for not honoring his words.

I hear there is a Volcano erupting in Italy. Etna going off. Damn Dave...

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???
I actually wouldn't, but cool story bro. Have you bought your Texas Tech T-shirt at your local Goodwill yet?

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Nah, I am not as much of a fan as I used to be. As I said in a past tread, coaches are a dime a dozen. They are a small portion of success and with NIL and the Portal becoming less all the time. Watch Moneyball and then apply to College Football. I find the organizational dynamics between winners and losers interesting.

I find the blaming of coaches very interesting, especially guys that have won before and now are losing/.

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You're entitled to that opinion, but I don't know what I said that set you off. Dave and Shawn Bell agreed not to take a quarterback in the previous class in order to woo Novosad. That's a widely known fact, and yes, it did come back to bite us. And not only did we not take a quarterback in the previous class, we literally had done no recruiting at all behind the scenes to develop a contingency plan, all while the guy was taking official visits to Notre Dame, A&M, and Oregon - that's how trusting Dave was of Novosad's "commitment". And I don't claim to be some experienced college recruiter, but I would bet money that there's not a single P4 school that would ever make that deal while their golden boy is taking official visits to multiple other schools.

That would be like a dude being cool with their wife going out for candlelight dinners and massages with their "tennis coach" and the husband buying the old "we're just friends, you have nothing to worry about" excuse. Like, all the signs of a decomit were there clear as day, Mr Aranda

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I am not set off. Just talking.

Still not landed anywhere? Weird.

Dia del DougO said:

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You never know, could be the next Sawyer. He didn't have much playing time, either.

I would take him cheap and throw him in the mix and spend a bundle on OL.

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Not a bad idea.

I don't ever see his name pop up as a top prospect. Did he give up and just re sign a new contract with Oregon? I'm guessing his pay each year has been dropping since he is down the depth chart and rarely takes the field.

Youre a clown said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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I don't know. Maybe Novosad knew something we didn't at the time about Decaf Dave and his staff. Outside of Dallas Baker and Khenon Hall, I've not seen anyone on this staff who can actually develop players.

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Oregon did offer him a lot more money than we could, but contrary to popular belief, it wasn't just about the money. People were getting into his ear about what a big-time prospect he was and how he was too good to play in a conference where his marquee matchup would be against Texas Tech or BYU. I do blame Dave more than anything though, because he agreed to Novosad's demands to not take a quarterback in the previous class. It's one of the most dumb things Dave has done that he doesn't get enough heat for IMHO. Dave really is a guy that you could sell magic beans or Florida swamp land to

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Of course, you do. Aranda is responsible for everything negative that happens. If he recruited someone else and Novosad left you would blame him for not honoring his words.

I hear there is a Volcano erupting in Italy. Etna going off. Damn Dave...

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???
I actually wouldn't, but cool story bro. Have you bought your Texas Tech T-shirt at your local Goodwill yet?

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Nah, I am not as much of a fan as I used to be. As I said in a past tread, coaches are a dime a dozen. They are a small portion of success and with NIL and the Portal becoming less all the time. Watch Moneyball and then apply to College Football. I find the organizational dynamics between winners and losers interesting.

I find the blaming of coaches very interesting, especially guys that have won before and now are losing/.

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You're entitled to that opinion, but I don't know what I said that set you off. Dave and Shawn Bell agreed not to take a quarterback in the previous class in order to woo Novosad. That's a widely known fact, and yes, it did come back to bite us. And not only did we not take a quarterback in the previous class, we literally had done no recruiting at all behind the scenes to develop a contingency plan, all while the guy was taking official visits to Notre Dame, A&M, and Oregon - that's how trusting Dave was of Novosad's "commitment". And I don't claim to be some experienced college recruiter, but I would bet money that there's not a single P4 school that would ever make that deal while their golden boy is taking official visits to multiple other schools.

That would be like a dude being cool with their wife going out for candlelight dinners and massages with their "tennis coach" and the husband buying the old "we're just friends, you have nothing to worry about" excuse. Like, all the signs of a decomit were there clear as day, Mr Aranda

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While it was a really bad look to have the cornerstone of our recruiting class flip on signing day (foreshadowing to this year, anyone?), it did the opposite of coming back to bite us, because we ended up with Sawyer Robertson. Sawyer has approximately one million more skins on the wall than Novosad, who, in 3 full seasons, has thrown 15 more college passes than you or I have.

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I don't ever see his name pop up as a top prospect. Did he give up and just re sign a new contract with Oregon? I'm guessing his pay each year has been dropping since he is down the depth chart and rarely takes the field.

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I was surprised he has not been mentioned at all among QBs. Even G5 and FCS QBs going ahead of him.

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PartyBear said:

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I don't ever see his name pop up as a top prospect. Did he give up and just re sign a new contract with Oregon? I'm guessing his pay each year has been dropping since he is down the depth chart and rarely takes the field.

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I was surprised he has not been mentioned at all among QBs. Even G5 and FCS QBs going ahead of him.

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Either has a bad agent or he's shown absolutely no promise/problem child as a backup.

Karab said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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PartyBear said:

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I don't ever see his name pop up as a top prospect. Did he give up and just re sign a new contract with Oregon? I'm guessing his pay each year has been dropping since he is down the depth chart and rarely takes the field.

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I was surprised he has not been mentioned at all among QBs. Even G5 and FCS QBs going ahead of him.

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Either has a bad agent or he's shown absolutely no promise/problem child as a backup.

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not transferring out already is probably one of the biggest flags for coaches - if he was that much of a competitor he'd have sought actual PT somewhere else by now instead of being very comfortable as a very expensive backup.

I wouldn't be surprised if he just ends up being done because no P4 team is going to overpay him to be a 3rd stringer any longer. In retrospect, I think we dodged a massive bullet there.

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Karab said:

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PartyBear said:

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I don't ever see his name pop up as a top prospect. Did he give up and just re sign a new contract with Oregon? I'm guessing his pay each year has been dropping since he is down the depth chart and rarely takes the field.

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I was surprised he has not been mentioned at all among QBs. Even G5 and FCS QBs going ahead of him.

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Either has a bad agent or he's shown absolutely no promise/problem child as a backup.

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not transferring out already is probably one of the biggest flags for coaches - if he was that much of a competitor he'd have sought actual PT somewhere else by now instead of being very comfortable as a very expensive backup.

I wouldn't be surprised if he just ends up being done because no P4 team is going to overpay him to be a 3rd stringer any longer. In retrospect, I think we dodged a massive bullet there.

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Based on his own OC, who recruited him away from us in the last second by of course handing him the bag, not taking him to Kentucky with him thus far, it appears we did dodge a massive bullet.

Karab said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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PartyBear said:

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I don't ever see his name pop up as a top prospect. Did he give up and just re sign a new contract with Oregon? I'm guessing his pay each year has been dropping since he is down the depth chart and rarely takes the field.

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I was surprised he has not been mentioned at all among QBs. Even G5 and FCS QBs going ahead of him.

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Either has a bad agent or he's shown absolutely no promise/problem child as a backup.

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Because Novosad is dead weight. It's painfully clear at this point that he never cared about seeing the field. He got his bag and free education, and that's all he really wanted.

He didn't hit the portal, he was likely told he wasn't being brought back to Oregon.

As in all professional endeavors, college athletes better be careful with how they trade. You can get away with better dealing one company to get more money somewhere else in the short term. But you can only keep trading up or across as long as you perform. You play your hand aggressively, then you can't back it up, you may not ever get another hand.

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As in all professional endeavors, college athletes better be careful with how they trade. You can get away with better dealing one company to get more money somewhere else in the short term. But you can only keep trading up or across as long as you perform. You play your hand aggressively, then you can't back it up, you may not ever get another hand.

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Nah…it's a 4 to 6 year window to make millions of dollars and get a head start on 99% of your cohorts. The incentive is to get as much as you can until the world tells you that you aren't good enough to keep playing.

Imagine if the only thing you were exceptional at (in relation to your peers) had a 4 to 6 year earning window.

You can't possibly overplay your hand in this scenario.

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Robert Wilson said:

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As in all professional endeavors, college athletes better be careful with how they trade. You can get away with better dealing one company to get more money somewhere else in the short term. But you can only keep trading up or across as long as you perform. You play your hand aggressively, then you can't back it up, you may not ever get another hand.

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Nah…it's a 4 to 6 year window to make millions of dollars and get a head start on 99% of your cohorts. The incentive is to get as much as you can until the world tells you that you aren't good enough to keep playing.

Imagine if the only thing you were exceptional at (in relation to your peers) had a 4 to 6 year earning window.

You can't possibly overplay your hand in this scenario.

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You absolutely can, if you play a 1-2 year game instead of a 4-6 year game.

Karab said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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PartyBear said:

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I don't ever see his name pop up as a top prospect. Did he give up and just re sign a new contract with Oregon? I'm guessing his pay each year has been dropping since he is down the depth chart and rarely takes the field.

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I was surprised he has not been mentioned at all among QBs. Even G5 and FCS QBs going ahead of him.

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Either has a bad agent or he's shown absolutely no promise/problem child as a backup.

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I have a hunch based on a couple things that I have read about him. Not everybody leaves because they're dying to go be a starter somewhere. I'm thinking Oregon may have offered him far less money than what he was making, since these four star quarterbacks with no playing time are kind of a dime a dozen in the portal these days

Youre a clown said:

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Karab said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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PartyBear said:

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I don't ever see his name pop up as a top prospect. Did he give up and just re sign a new contract with Oregon? I'm guessing his pay each year has been dropping since he is down the depth chart and rarely takes the field.

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I was surprised he has not been mentioned at all among QBs. Even G5 and FCS QBs going ahead of him.

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Either has a bad agent or he's shown absolutely no promise/problem child as a backup.

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I have a hunch based on a couple things that I have read about him. Not everybody leaves because they're dying to go be a starter somewhere. I'm thinking Oregon may have offered him far less money than what he was making, since these four star quarterbacks with no playing time are kind of a dime a dozen in the portal these days

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I agree with this take. I have read several things that talk about this with numerous teams lately. That the teams are effectively cutting guys they feel they no longer need, aren't a part of their plan or they think have not progressed enough.

Not every player in the portal is looking for bigger paychecks or even just playing time. Some are just looking for another chance. The big names are looking for more money or playing time at P4 schools but a lot of the lesser known guys are looking for a chance to keep playing, chance to start, or have been cut.

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Youre a clown said:

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Karab said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I don't ever see his name pop up as a top prospect. Did he give up and just re sign a new contract with Oregon? I'm guessing his pay each year has been dropping since he is down the depth chart and rarely takes the field.

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I was surprised he has not been mentioned at all among QBs. Even G5 and FCS QBs going ahead of him.

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Either has a bad agent or he's shown absolutely no promise/problem child as a backup.

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I have a hunch based on a couple things that I have read about him. Not everybody leaves because they're dying to go be a starter somewhere. I'm thinking Oregon may have offered him far less money than what he was making, since these four star quarterbacks with no playing time are kind of a dime a dozen in the portal these days

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I agree with this take. I have read several things that talk about this with numerous teams lately. That the teams are effectively cutting guys they feel they no longer need, aren't a part of their plan or they think have not progressed enough.

Not every player in the portal is looking for bigger paychecks or even just playing time. Some are just looking for another chance. The big names are looking for more money or playing time at P4 schools but a lot of the lesser known guys are looking for a chance to keep playing, chance to start, or have been cut.

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My own thought that's admittedly speculation based on what I've heard of novosad is that he would've been cool making his previous salary and just riding that until graduation, but Oregon ushered him out the door to free up money. He was making a lot

Compare and contrast that to a guy like Walker White that took decisive action and a pay cut so that he could be close to home and get actual playing time.

I can't believe he was making that much relatively speaking since he has thrown like 11 passes his college career 3 years in. I'm guessing g his new contract each year was less than the previous year.

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Recall the Jerry Maguire movie when the father of the star QB says something like "my word is strong as oak" right before his son commits to a competing agent.

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You are showing your age with this post. And I guess I'm showing mine by knowing you are showing your age.

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I don't know. Maybe Novosad knew something we didn't at the time about Decaf Dave and his staff. Outside of Dallas Baker and Khenon Hall, I've not seen anyone on this staff who can actually develop players.

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Oregon did offer him a lot more money than we could, but contrary to popular belief, it wasn't just about the money. People were getting into his ear about what a big-time prospect he was and how he was too good to play in a conference where his marquee matchup would be against Texas Tech or BYU. I do blame Dave more than anything though, because he agreed to Novosad's demands to not take a quarterback in the previous class. It's one of the most dumb things Dave has done that he doesn't get enough heat for IMHO. Dave really is a guy that you could sell magic beans or Florida swamp land to

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Of course, you do. Aranda is responsible for everything negative that happens. If he recruited someone else and Novosad left you would blame him for not honoring his words.

I hear there is a Volcano erupting in Italy. Etna going off. Damn Dave...

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That's as bit on the nose, but this take is not too far off base in general. It's easy for some to look back in time in order to criticize certain decisions with the benefit of knowing the future; in reality, Novosad would not have seriously considered Baylor had Baylor brought in another higher end QB, and that is par for the course for high end QBs of that nature.

For the sake of comparison, Lagway almost certainly would not come to Baylor if Baylor signed another top 10 transfer QB prior to him signing. That's how this works.

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BUATX2000 said:

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I don't know. Maybe Novosad knew something we didn't at the time about Decaf Dave and his staff. Outside of Dallas Baker and Khenon Hall, I've not seen anyone on this staff who can actually develop players.

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Oregon did offer him a lot more money than we could, but contrary to popular belief, it wasn't just about the money. People were getting into his ear about what a big-time prospect he was and how he was too good to play in a conference where his marquee matchup would be against Texas Tech or BYU. I do blame Dave more than anything though, because he agreed to Novosad's demands to not take a quarterback in the previous class. It's one of the most dumb things Dave has done that he doesn't get enough heat for IMHO. Dave really is a guy that you could sell magic beans or Florida swamp land to

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Of course, you do. Aranda is responsible for everything negative that happens. If he recruited someone else and Novosad left you would blame him for not honoring his words.

I hear there is a Volcano erupting in Italy. Etna going off. Damn Dave...

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That's as bit on the nose, but this take is not too far off base in general. It's easy for some to look back in time in order to criticize certain decisions with the benefit of knowing the future; in reality, Novosad would not have seriously considered Baylor had Baylor brought in another higher end QB, and that is par for the course for high end QBs of that nature.

For the sake of comparison, Lagway almost certainly would not come to Baylor if Baylor signed another top 10 transfer QB prior to him signing. That's how this works.

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The negative outcomes of the Novosad recruiting debacle were obvious from the outset. There is no "hindsight" that was being applied then or now and that is an incorrect reframing.

Timeline:

09/28/2021 - Baylor QB Jacob Zeno enters the portal.

12/16/2021 - Novosad Commits to Baylor

03/26/2022 - Novosad takes an "unofficial visit" to Texas A&M

05/08/2022 - Gerry Bohanon leaves Baylor and commits to USF

06/10/2022 - Novosad takes an "official visit" to Ohio State

06/17/2022 - Novosad takes an "official visit" to Baylor

06/25/2022 - Novosad takes a second "unofficial visit" to Texas A&M

07/26/2022 - Novosad takes an "unofficial visit" to Notre Dame

07/29/2022 - Novosad takes a third "unofficial visit" to Texas A&M.

11/30/2022 - Baylor QB Kyron Drones enters the portal.

12/21/2022 - Novosad decommits from Baylor and commits to Oregon.

Baylor's QB room at that time was literally just Blake Shapen. As others mentioned, Dave should get way more heat for that outcome than he does, as with most things related Dave Aranda he gets the kids gloves for some reason.

Dave's decision to not take a QB wasn't a failure in hindsight, it was a failure before it even happened and at the time and was obvious to all observers which is why it get brought up here time and again. Baylor needed a Big 12 level QB to compete and needed QBs to compete on the roster. Instead, we bet our mortgage on a guy that was never truly committed and paid them a pound of flesh by going against our own natures in seeking what is best for the university and the program.

Lagway is exactly the same situation. We need a QB and we need to get the best we can, but you can't plan around someone if he has no plan of being here. Tell him to sign and stop talking or he can piss off and take what you can get elsewhere.

Frankly, if you like Lagway and you want him to succeed, then he should go anywhere else as Dave loves to regress anyone with talent in his programs.

CaliBear00 said:

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Let's call it what is was. Aranda allowed a 17 year old to tell him how to run his team. The Novosad debacle was a terminable offense and most coaches would have been fired over this.

Anotner painful reminder that coaches shouldn't be be signed to long term extensions after just two seasons on the job.

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Yup. And people want to tell you that because Novosad didn't play at Oregon, it didn't bite us, so it wasn't a bad decision on Dave's part. That's not how decision-making should be judged. Case in point, many people drink too much and then get behind the wheel and get home without incident, but it doesn't make it an acceptable decision simply because nothing bad happened

CaliBear00 said:

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Let's call it what is was. Aranda allowed a 17 year old to tell him how to run his team. The Novosad debacle was a terminable offense and most coaches would have been fired over this.

Another painful reminder that coaches shouldn't be be signed to long term extensions after just two seasons on the job.

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Just one more rubber stamped item reflecting the Admin, LL, BOR, AD & "HC" is truly inept... signed, sealed and delivered.