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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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I wouldn't say "likely" to win 0 games. This team has played better than a kansas team the past 4 games. yes, UTSA is better than kansas, its a fact. also, it isn't as hard to earn 3* as it used to be. basically if you get offered by a power 5 program, you will get 3*s.

We have to hope hope he wasn't just lucky in signing these players and can identify and develop players at Baylor like he did at Temple. Recruiting is the lifeblood of programs so we should all certainly hope he can flat out recruit.

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Those first 2 years, we recruited 8 players who would go on to NFL careers, including #1 Jets Draft Choice Mo Wilkerson....our 1st #1 RD pick in 20+ years. Wilkerson didn't have any D1 offers. He had to prep, then got some attention but he stayed w Temple. Rhule and his staff were able to spot, recuit AND develop talent.

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MH55,

Welcome to the kingdom of God. Better known as babtist heaven on earth and its run by thirty pretend Jesus'. Just two years ago we had a football team worthy of worship by the sports world. Our empirical godly leaders felt threatened and feared they were losing their base of worshippers to a football coach / team. They held public meetings and did their best to destroy a competitor whom they considered a false idol. They declared that their babtist kingdom was no longer a kingdom of football. The elders sought out a replacement for the false prophet and wanted someone who would not threaten their temple.
This Matt Rhule you speak of has all the tools to succeed. May he reclaim the throne of Baylor and restore us once again to the mountain top.

Pray'em!

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You don't get a 2nd chance after losing to Liberty. That already proves you are a horrible coach.

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What if I told you Nick Saban lost to UL Monroe in 2006, UAB in 2000? While having Alabama and LSU talent?

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At least ULM wasn't/isn't a mid-tier FCS school. And Saban didn't follow that up by starting 0-5 (and counting).

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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There are seven games left in the season. It is a little premature to talk about 0-12 when the Bears have been in a position to take a lead in the fourth quarter of every game they have played. I'm wondering why you think you can confidently predict an 0-12 season given the talent level on the team, the way they have played so far and the number of games remaining.

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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Yes, we are all quite aware that you feel this way, because you and a number of other members of the Groupthink Commandos state it ad nauseam in every single thread on this board.

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MH55,

Welcome to the kingdom of God. Better known as babtist heaven on earth and its run by thirty pretend Jesus'. Just two years ago we had a football team worthy of worship by the sports world. Our empirical godly leaders felt threatened and feared they were losing their base of worshippers to a football coach / team. They held public meetings and did their best to destroy a competitor whom they considered a false idol. They declared that their babtist kingdom was no longer a kingdom of football. The elders sought out a replacement for the false prophet and wanted someone who would not threaten their temple.
This Matt Rhule you speak of has all the tools to succeed. May he reclaim the throne of Baylor and restore us once again to the mountain top.

Pray'em!

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This is the most ridiculous garbage I've ever read in my life. It's hard for me to believe that an intelligent human being could actually believe this. But perhaps I'm making unfounded assumptions about intelligence.

OP makes a good speech--so does Rhule. I am one of the most positive posters here, I was on the Rhule bandwagon. I am not anymore. Those first 2 losses were inexcusable with our talent. There were substitution errors and horrible clock management in both games. Those are coaching problems. It worries me that Coach Rhule did not trust a proven QB in Zach Smith from the beginning. It worries me that with all the talk about discipline we keep getting stupid penalties like offsides and false starts that even junior high teams dont commit. It bothers me that Rhule came in here not trusting the players who were already here... and WHY did he burn Brewer's red shirt again? The OU game was a good effort that gave me some hope but after the ksu loss I am back to wondering about this coach. Rhule has terrible first impressions to overcome. I sincerely hope he can. However, 0 and 5 speaks for itself.

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thank you for coming on here and sharing your thoughts. Reasonable Baylor fans appreciate it. Even some unreasonable fans like WAC_K_O Bear appreciate the quality of your post. There are some other miserable souls who have already closed their hearts and minds to Rhule because he did the unthinkable, lost a few games he should not have lost. Since he is the first football coach in the history of the game to do that, he gets no leeway from these football savants.

The guy is 42 years old. He is not in his coaching prime and yet he has already had more success before 42 on the college level than most of the geniuses who feel like he has no chance to succeed. He even has a stronger resume at age 42 than guys like Nick Saban had at that age.

Take this board's darling coach for example, Matt Campbell who is also very young at 37. He lost his opening game at Iowa State to Northern Iowa, an FCS team that ended up 5-6 last year. In year 2, he beat Oklahoma on the road and appears headed to a bowl game or at least has that program headed in a good direction.

But back to your original post, I think Rhule has a champion mindset. I like the steps that he is taking to build a great program. He has significant logistical advantages over a Matt Campbell at Iowa State so he should have this program competing for championships in the very near future. Come back anytime and share your perspectives with us.

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To be fair, Iowa State, unlike Baylor, had little talent and no success prior to Campbell going there. He didn't inherit a roster full of 3 star Texas athletes and a number of 4 stars as well. He didn't inherit a bowl team from the prior year. He inherited a school that won 3 games. That is what makes what he has done so impressive.

The OP has given me some hope that things will turn around. I don't believe the talent on hand justifies the record, but hopefully Temple wasn't lightening in a bottle, and the same thing can happen here.

Thanks OP.

I'm still drinking the Koolaid. If I'm a Baylor fan, my only other choice is ***** and moan and get pissed about something I have no control over. So the Koolaid stays out on the counter.

I have high hopes for Rhule. For the two minutes he had before national signing, that was one heck of a recruiting class. His coaches have some really good history so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

And one more thing - when we were hiring, NCAA coaches werent exactly beating down our door given the Title 9 crap. So far he's handled that situation better than I could have possibly imagined. I doubt anyone else could have handled it any better

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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Yes, we are all quite aware that you feel this way, because you and a number of other members of the Groupthink Commandos state it ad nauseam in every single thread on this board.

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If you and your cult of Briles haters will quit making excuses for obvious ineptitude I would not have to repeat it again.

We are on track for the worst coaching performance in NCAA history and some of you want to offer him a pass on that. Sickening. Demand better.

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You don't get a 2nd chance after losing to Liberty. That already proves you are a horrible coach.

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What if I told you Nick Saban lost to UL Monroe in 2006, UAB in 2000? While having Alabama and LSU talent?

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ULM and UAB aren't Liberty.

Philosophical affiliations aside, if I was generic high school football player picking between offers at ULM, UAB, and Liberty, It would come down to ULM and UAB.

The talent and system you have to get in place to compete in the AAC and the Big 12 are worlds apart.

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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Yes, we are all quite aware that you feel this way, because you and a number of other members of the Groupthink Commandos state it ad nauseam in every single thread on this board.

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If you and your cult of Briles haters will quit making excuses for obvious ineptitude I would not have to repeat it again.

We are on track for the worst coaching performance in NCAA history and some of you want to offer him a pass on that. Sickening. Demand better.

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Explain how anyone but briles sent coaches to ceorce victims out of pressing charges and recruited known gangsters and we might change our tune. We did demand better than that, thank god we got it.

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thank you for coming on here and sharing your thoughts. Reasonable Baylor fans appreciate it. Even some unreasonable fans like WAC_K_O Bear appreciate the quality of your post. There are some other miserable souls who have already closed their hearts and minds to Rhule because he did the unthinkable, lost a few games he should not have lost. Since he is the first football coach in the history of the game to do that, he gets no leeway from these football savants.

The guy is 42 years old. He is not in his coaching prime and yet he has already had more success before 42 on the college level than most of the geniuses who feel like he has no chance to succeed. He even has a stronger resume at age 42 than guys like Nick Saban had at that age.

Take this board's darling coach for example, Matt Campbell who is also very young at 37. He lost his opening game at Iowa State to Northern Iowa, an FCS team that ended up 5-6 last year. In year 2, he beat Oklahoma on the road and appears headed to a bowl game or at least has that program headed in a good direction.

But back to your original post, I think Rhule has a champion mindset. I like the steps that he is taking to build a great program. He has significant logistical advantages over a Matt Campbell at Iowa State so he should have this program competing for championships in the very near future. Come back anytime and share your perspectives with us.

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To be fair, Iowa State, unlike Baylor, had little talent and no success prior to Campbell going there. He didn't inherit a roster full of 3 star Texas athletes and a number of 4 stars as well. He didn't inherit a bowl team from the prior year. He inherited a school that won 3 games. That is what makes what he has done so impressive.

The OP has given me some hope that things will turn around. I don't believe the talent on hand justifies the record, but hopefully Temple wasn't lightening in a bottle, and the same thing can happen here.

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throw out the recruiting rankings. When you have 41 players that have left the roster for one reason or another, you have chaos.

On the offensive line alone, you have Hammad, DeSouza, Thrift, Pelzel, Hudson and the J***** who are gone and that leaves you with converting two tight ends to the line and playing a couple of true freshman a lot of snaps. Plus add to that the Aggie transfer Wilson who had to act like a complete clown and you have real problems. Then mix in the rash of injuries on the secondary and to our best DL. I know, I know. Liberty. But you won't convince me that Baylor was some wealth of riches compared to Iowa State from a roster standpoint.

I think the two situations are very comparable from what they had to start with. It will be interesting to see how the programs progress from here. I think Rhule has the easier job due to availability of talent close to campus.

Thanks for the warm welcome Bears. Im already watching BU games. Saw some of the same habits (good & bad) Previously, only watched the Big B12 games and rooted for anyone playing West VA.

My belief is if MR can recruit comparably, he will return Baylor to the top half of the standings. He really didn't get the comparably eastern seaboard recruits Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers etc were getting and he put us in position to beat them. We did beat them. The night we lost to Notre Dame we were prepared. We had it won. Phil Snow had the right defense called. The safety was slow to the TD pass right in front of him w <2 mins to play...and the guy who caught it, Will Fuller, went to High School right down the road from Temple. What a dagger, he could have walked to Temple had he chosen us but, we've never factored with those kind of recruits.

If Rhule can bring the talent he and staff will coach them up and prepare them to win. I'm sure the opener was a disaster but Rhule lost to Turner Gil before. Coincidentally, Gil was coaching the Buffalo Bulls when they beat us in Rhule's 1st game on staff for Temple.

OK that's enough Owl FB History. Good luck in Boone Pickens...

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Gunny Hartman said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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Yes, we are all quite aware that you feel this way, because you and a number of other members of the Groupthink Commandos state it ad nauseam in every single thread on this board.

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If you and your cult of Briles haters will quit making excuses for obvious ineptitude I would not have to repeat it again.

We are on track for the worst coaching performance in NCAA history and some of you want to offer him a pass on that. Sickening. Demand better.

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I don't see anybody making excuses. I know I sure as hell haven't. And nobody hates briles, but we sure are pissed at him. So get over yourself and quit posting the same garbage in every freaking thread. You're like a pathetic broken record, and undoubtedly everybody that reads this board is sick of listening to your incessant whining.

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thank you for coming on here and sharing your thoughts. Reasonable Baylor fans appreciate it. Even some unreasonable fans like WAC_K_O Bear appreciate the quality of your post. There are some other miserable souls who have already closed their hearts and minds to Rhule because he did the unthinkable, lost a few games he should not have lost. Since he is the first football coach in the history of the game to do that, he gets no leeway from these football savants.

The guy is 42 years old. He is not in his coaching prime and yet he has already had more success before 42 on the college level than most of the geniuses who feel like he has no chance to succeed. He even has a stronger resume at age 42 than guys like Nick Saban had at that age.

Take this board's darling coach for example, Matt Campbell who is also very young at 37. He lost his opening game at Iowa State to Northern Iowa, an FCS team that ended up 5-6 last year. In year 2, he beat Oklahoma on the road and appears headed to a bowl game or at least has that program headed in a good direction.

But back to your original post, I think Rhule has a champion mindset. I like the steps that he is taking to build a great program. He has significant logistical advantages over a Matt Campbell at Iowa State so he should have this program competing for championships in the very near future. Come back anytime and share your perspectives with us.

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To be fair, Iowa State, unlike Baylor, had little talent and no success prior to Campbell going there. He didn't inherit a roster full of 3 star Texas athletes and a number of 4 stars as well. He didn't inherit a bowl team from the prior year. He inherited a school that won 3 games. That is what makes what he has done so impressive.

The OP has given me some hope that things will turn around. I don't believe the talent on hand justifies the record, but hopefully Temple wasn't lightening in a bottle, and the same thing can happen here.

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throw out the recruiting rankings. When you have 41 players that have left the roster for one reason or another, you have chaos.

On the offensive line alone, you have Hammad, DeSouza, Thrift, Pelzel, Hudson and the J***** who are gone and that leaves you with converting two tight ends to the line and playing a couple of true freshman a lot of snaps. Plus add to that the Aggie transfer Wilson who had to act like a complete clown and you have real problems. Then mix in the rash of injuries on the secondary and to our best DL. I know, I know. Liberty. But you won't convince me that Baylor was some wealth of riches compared to Iowa State from a roster standpoint.

I think the two situations are very comparable from what they had to start with. It will be interesting to see how the programs progress from here. I think Rhule has the easier job due to availability of talent close to campus.

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Can't agree with you on this. Look at that Iowa State roster from two years ago, and look at this roster (even with attrition), and there is no comparison in terms of talent. I agree with you the injuries have significantly depleted us, and that the OL is paper thin, and I think that has certainly affected the level of play. So, I give you that. However, this team has playmakers that the Iowa State team of 2 years ago could have only hoped for.

The rest of the season will be telling. We are getting healthier in the secondary, and the OL has gained a lot of experience. RB situation is improving as well. If we can stay competitive with some of the big boys (OSU, TCU, WV), then that will obviously be a good sign moving forward. If we go win-less and start seeing blowouts, however, I am not sure there will be much to justify being very optimistic going forward.

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You don't get a 2nd chance after losing to Liberty. That already proves you are a horrible coach.

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What if I told you Nick Saban lost to UL Monroe in 2006, UAB in 2000? While having Alabama and LSU talent?

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ULM and UAB aren't Liberty.

Philosophical affiliations aside, if I was generic high school football player picking between offers at ULM, UAB, and Liberty, It would come down to ULM and UAB.

The talent and system you have to get in place to compete in the AAC and the Big 12 are worlds apart.

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Ya and Baylor sure ain't Bama and LSU talent wise

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Stop using common sense. He may break his brain trying to process it.

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You don't get a 2nd chance after losing to Liberty. That already proves you are a horrible coach.

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What if I told you Nick Saban lost to UL Monroe in 2006, UAB in 2000? While having Alabama and LSU talent?

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What if i told you that that alabama team won 7 games and had Kevin Steele as its DC?

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Wait so Saban, the head coach at Bama, had 4 top 25 recruiting classes on his roster and lost to UL Monroe?

Recruiting rankings for 2007 team
2004- ranked 21
2005- ranked 16
2006- ranked 13
2007- ranked 3

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His entire season want a failure, just one game was a failure. That's the difference.

He'd also won a national title by then, not a single mid-major conference title and 0 bowl gamesbb.

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I would hope so with THAT much talent. BU doesn't have those classes. The point of my message though is in your first year anywhere many teams experience hiccups even the best coaches lost games they were supposed to win vs inferior competition.

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in comparison to who we've played, we do have that much talent.

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Thanks for the warm welcome Bears. Im already watching BU games. Saw some of the same habits (good & bad) Previously, only watched the Big B12 games and rooted for anyone playing West VA.

My belief is if MR can recruit comparably, he will return Baylor to the top half of the standings. He really didn't get the comparably eastern seaboard recruits Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers etc were getting and he put us in position to beat them. We did beat them. The night we lost to Notre Dame we were prepared. We had it won. Phil Snow had the right defense called. The safety was slow to the TD pass right in front of him w <2 mins to play...and the guy who caught it, Will Fuller, went to High School right down the road from Temple. What a dagger, he could have walked to Temple had he chosen us but, we've never factored with those kind of recruits.

If Rhule can bring the talent he and staff will coach them up and prepare them to win. I'm sure the opener was a disaster but Rhule lost to Turner Gil before. Coincidentally, Gil was coaching the Buffalo Bulls when they beat us in Rhule's 1st game on staff for Temple.

OK that's enough Owl FB History. Good luck in Boone Pickens...

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I'm really interested in what Evan Cooper can do off the field. Seems to be on top of recruiting. Found several gems in what I'm sure is a pretty plucked over area.

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You don't get a 2nd chance after losing to Liberty. That already proves you are a horrible coach.

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What if I told you Nick Saban lost to UL Monroe in 2006, UAB in 2000? While having Alabama and LSU talent?

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What if i told you that that alabama team won 7 games and had Kevin Steele as its DC?

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Wait so Saban, the head coach at Bama, had 4 top 25 recruiting classes on his roster and lost to UL Monroe?

Recruiting rankings for 2007 team
2004- ranked 21
2005- ranked 16
2006- ranked 13
2007- ranked 3

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His entire season want a failure, just one game was a failure. That's the difference.

He'd also won a national title by then, not a single mid-major conference title and 0 bowl gamesbb.

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I would hope so with THAT much talent. BU doesn't have those classes. The point of my message though is in your first year anywhere many teams experience hiccups even the best coaches lost games they were supposed to win vs inferior competition.

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in comparison to who we've played, we do have that much talent.

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Uh, not really.

Stay away from recruiting services. That''s all hype. Guys figure out who is strong, fast, powerful, when they hit the weight room.

Everything else is smoke.

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You don't get a 2nd chance after losing to Liberty. That already proves you are a horrible coach.

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What if I told you Nick Saban lost to UL Monroe in 2006, UAB in 2000? While having Alabama and LSU talent?

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What if i told you that that alabama team won 7 games and had Kevin Steele as its DC?

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Wait so Saban, the head coach at Bama, had 4 top 25 recruiting classes on his roster and lost to UL Monroe?

Recruiting rankings for 2007 team
2004- ranked 21
2005- ranked 16
2006- ranked 13
2007- ranked 3

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His entire season want a failure, just one game was a failure. That's the difference.

He'd also won a national title by then, not a single mid-major conference title and 0 bowl gamesbb.

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I would hope so with THAT much talent. BU doesn't have those classes. The point of my message though is in your first year anywhere many teams experience hiccups even the best coaches lost games they were supposed to win vs inferior competition.

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in comparison to who we've played, we do have that much talent.

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Uh, not really.

Stay away from recruiting services. That''s all hype. Guys figure out who is strong, fast, powerful, when they hit the weight room.

Everything else is smoke.

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You're telling me LIBERTY UNIVERSITY is closer to us in talent then Alabama to the schedule they had that year? Seriously?

Why did Rhule take a season off from Temple in 2013 as HC? What was that all about? I'm curious.

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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I wouldn't say "likely" to win 0 games. This team has played better than a kansas team the past 4 games. yes, UTSA is better than kansas, its a fact. also, it isn't as hard to earn 3* as it used to be. basically if you get offered by a power 5 program, you will get 3*s.

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Surely you meant KU and not "a kansas team" because "a kansas team", KState, kicked our a$$ nearly 2 weeks ago. Also KU has a RB that put up 291 yards of offense by himself vs. WVU a few weeks ago. He'll likely shred us.

If the OP is for real then I am encouraged - a little. If this is a PR stunt from CMR or a crony - good one!

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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I wouldn't say "likely" to win 0 games. This team has played better than a kansas team the past 4 games. yes, UTSA is better than kansas, its a fact. also, it isn't as hard to earn 3* as it used to be. basically if you get offered by a power 5 program, you will get 3*s.

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Surely you meant KU and not "a kansas team" because "a kansas team", KState, kicked our a$$ nearly 2 weeks ago. Also KU has a RB that put up 291 yards of offense by himself vs. WVU a few weeks ago. He'll likely shred us.

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By that logic, since apparently only one game means how good you are, Zach Smith is for sure going to tear apart Kansas. I mean he threw for 463 and 4tds against OU.

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I never stated that KU was any good because of one RB for one game but merely noted his yardage because we'd best be prepared for their RB just like any of our opponents must prepare for Smith. In case you haven't noticed, KU has won one game this season; therefore, they are better than we are.

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Why did Rhule take a season off from Temple in 2013 as HC? What was that all about? I'm curious.

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I'm curious why the hxll he is doing that this year.

All joking aside I dont think he meant it the way it sounded. Although he can answer what he meant.

Interesting post. We already know well that Rhule is extremely stubborn. We will see if the developer of NFL talent reputation will carry soon enough. I think Rhule still has a chance. But he needs to open up the mind a bit on offense and then let go.

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You don't get a 2nd chance after losing to Liberty. That already proves you are a horrible coach.

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What if I told you Nick Saban lost to UL Monroe in 2006, UAB in 2000? While having Alabama and LSU talent?

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UL Monroe and UAB are/were both FBS. Liberty, not so much.

If you told me Saban lost to Trinity, Incarnate Word or Mary Hardin Baylor I'd like your analogy

to the temple fan who posted, thanks for the long well thought out post. it has given those of us willing to listen some perspective. Pardon the talk about liberty, it has been brought up in every thread ever, not just yours so don't think that people here are intentionally trying to derail just your thread.

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You don't get a 2nd chance after losing to Liberty. That already proves you are a horrible coach.

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What if I told you Nick Saban lost to UL Monroe in 2006, UAB in 2000? While having Alabama and LSU talent?

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UL Monroe and UAB are/were both FBS. Liberty, not so much.

If you told me Saban lost to Trinity, Incarnate Word or Mary Hardin Baylor I'd like your analogy

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What if I told you his point still stands either way, and we aren't going to say "Rhule sucks a fat bag of dicks" 5 games into his first year at school that just endured a horrid rape scandal?

dakjd90 said:

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to the temple fan who posted, thanks for the long well thought out post. it has given those of us willing to listen some perspective. Pardon the talk about liberty, it has been brought up in every thread ever, not just yours so don't think that people here are intentionally trying to derail just your thread.

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Sorry, but you can't erase that embarrassing loss to Liberty. That's not derailing a thread; that loss is a fact.

PacificBear said:

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MH55,

Welcome to the kingdom of God. Better known as babtist heaven on earth and its run by thirty pretend Jesus'. Just two years ago we had a football team worthy of worship by the sports world. Our empirical godly leaders felt threatened and feared they were losing their base of worshippers to a football coach / team. They held public meetings and did their best to destroy a competitor whom they considered a false idol. They declared that their babtist kingdom was no longer a kingdom of football. The elders sought out a replacement for the false prophet and wanted someone who would not threaten their temple.
This Matt Rhule you speak of has all the tools to succeed. May he reclaim the throne of Baylor and restore us once again to the mountain top.

Pray'em!

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No football team is worthy of worship. That kind of idolatry only leads to disaster. If people were worshipping CAB or the team, then they were false idols. This does not excuse any improprieties by the BOR but it does demand a dose of reality. I just hope it was all hyperbole. Whether or not this is the case, it is tasteless.