Rhule was a Temple Asst from 2006-11. He came on board w Al Golden and gradually assumed greater duties becoming OC. He remained OC when current BC HC Steve Adazzio was hired. Adazzio is a run happy smash mouth FB guy and MR was demoted to Co-OC for 1 season before he left for the NY Giants. Addazio then took the BC HC job and the rumor that circulated in our camp was the players, past & present, asked the AD to bring Rhule back to Temple as HC.

He returned after 1 year hiatus as the HC for 2013. Following the 2015 season when MR won his 1st of 2 consecutive AAC East Titles, word was the Missouri AD offered him the job there. MR turned it down then followed your current AD to Baylor when offered the job in 2016.

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Rhule was a Temple Asst from 2006-11. He came on board w Al Golden and gradually assumed greater duties becoming OC. He remained OC when current BC HC Steve Adazzio was hired. Adazzio is a run happy smash mouth FB guy and MR was demoted to Co-OC for 1 season before he left for the NY Giants. Addazio then took the BC HC job and the rumor that circulated in our camp was the players, past & present, asked the AD to bring Rhule back to Temple as HC.

He returned after 1 year hiatus as the HC for 2013. Following the 2015 season when MR won his 1st of 2 consecutive AAC East Titles, word was the Missouri AD offered him the job there. MR turned it down then followed your current AD to Baylor when offered the job in 2016.

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Thanks for the details.

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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That's unreal.

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The last game of the terrible season we went into Memphis and blew them out. I think we were 3 TD dogs but in hindsight, it was a sign.

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I hope history repeats itself in Ft Worth this year.

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You think we'll only be 3 TD dogs? Lolololol

BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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wow!

Assassin said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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wow!

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Just saying. This is literally not the team that won 7 games last year.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Assassin said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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wow!

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Just saying. This is literally not the team that won 7 games last year.

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Ya not the same team at all plus everyone wants to say we returned our proven QB at the most important position from last year but forget that Seth won those first 6 games.

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But it ain't Smith's fault we lost the last 6 regular season games either.

YoakDaddy said:

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graysongrundhoefer said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Assassin said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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wow!

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Just saying. This is literally not the team that won 7 games last year.

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Ya not the same team at all plus everyone wants to say we returned our proven QB at the most important position from last year but forget that Seth won those first 6 games.

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But it ain't Smith's fault we lost the last 6 regular season games either.

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Maybe not, but I suspect we would have won a couple of them with Seth at the helm.

BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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We returned most of our starters on both sides of the ball. 3 of the 5 offensive lineman, the QB, the top two RB's, and two of the top 4 receivers. Defense returned all but one starter on the D-line and two linebackers, along with two DB's. That's mostly the team from last year.

I will grant you that we don't have much depth, and that the freshmen and sophomores are having to play backup roles that they wouldn't normally have to play due to attrition.

It will be interesting to see how we play here on out - with our full stable of RB's healthy, the line getting more experience, as well as the wide receivers. We should start to see significant improvement moving forward and win a few - the key word being "should."

Mothra said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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We returned most of our starters on both sides of the ball. 3 of the 5 offensive lineman, the QB, the top two RB's, and two of the top 4 receivers. Defense returned all but one starter on the D-line and two linebackers, along with two DB's. That's mostly the team from last year.

I will grant you that we don't have much depth, and that the freshmen and sophomores are having to play backup roles that they wouldn't normally have to play due to attrition.

It will be interesting to see how we play here on out - with our full stable of RB's healthy, the line getting more experience, as well as the wide receivers. We should start to see significant improvement moving forward and win a few - the key word being "should."

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How bout that O-line, tho?

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1 starter.

Guys, I started to settle in for a rough ride the minute I fully realized how thin and young our O-Line is. On top of that, the guys that WERE here, were being asked to learn a whole new scheme.

Doesn't matter how good our QB is (he's great, but very VERY young) if the O-line is rough, he's going to struggle. In a way, I feel bad for Anu. I imagine that's why he got the edge to start, because he's more mobile than Zach. Thought that would mitigate the O-Line situation.

I don't think the cupboard is bare. But it's young, and skinny, and being asked to do a completely different set of tricks.

BrooksBearLives said:

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Mothra said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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We returned most of our starters on both sides of the ball. 3 of the 5 offensive lineman, the QB, the top two RB's, and two of the top 4 receivers. Defense returned all but one starter on the D-line and two linebackers, along with two DB's. That's mostly the team from last year.

I will grant you that we don't have much depth, and that the freshmen and sophomores are having to play backup roles that they wouldn't normally have to play due to attrition.

It will be interesting to see how we play here on out - with our full stable of RB's healthy, the line getting more experience, as well as the wide receivers. We should start to see significant improvement moving forward and win a few - the key word being "should."

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How bout that O-line, tho?

1.

1 starter.

Guys, I started to settle in for a rough ride the minute I fully realized how thin and young our O-Line is. On top of that, the guys that WERE here, were being asked to learn a whole new scheme.

Doesn't matter how good our QB is (he's great, but very VERY young) if the O-line is rough, he's going to struggle. In a way, I feel bad for Anu. I imagine that's why he got the edge to start, because he's more mobile than Zach. Thought that would mitigate the O-Line situation.

I don't think the cupboard is bare. But it's young, and skinny, and being asked to do a completely different set of tricks.

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Actually, it's 2 starters from last year - Lawrence and Blackmar. I was thinking Tanner Thrift was the third, but remembered he supposedly injured himself during the Oklahoma drill. But you're right it is thin and missing a lot of pieces. But contrary to popular opinion, it ain't young. Has two seniors, two juniors and one sophomore - so it has players that have been around a while with a lot of experience, like Mo Porter.

Again, I agree it's one of the teams weaknesses, but just don't think the players in question are as bad as everyone is saying.

I think a lot of the problems on offense are that the players are transitioning to a much more complicated system. They're being asked to run 3 different types of offenses. Coming from Briles playbook, that is difficult, I am sure.

D. C. Bear said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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graysongrundhoefer said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Assassin said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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wow!

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Just saying. This is literally not the team that won 7 games last year.

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Ya not the same team at all plus everyone wants to say we returned our proven QB at the most important position from last year but forget that Seth won those first 6 games.

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But it ain't Smith's fault we lost the last 6 regular season games either.

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Maybe not, but I suspect we would have won a couple of them with Seth at the helm.

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Agree that Seth would've brought a different dynamic with his gunslinger arm and his speed.

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YoakDaddy said:

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graysongrundhoefer said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Assassin said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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wow!

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Just saying. This is literally not the team that won 7 games last year.

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Ya not the same team at all plus everyone wants to say we returned our proven QB at the most important position from last year but forget that Seth won those first 6 games.

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But it ain't Smith's fault we lost the last 6 regular season games either.

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True but I am just saying that our "proven" QB is 1-9 in games he has started. He has not learned how to win at this level yet because he is only a Sophomore. It takes time.

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I happen to disagree with you because of his experience with these players and their comfort with him as compared to Solomon, but I understand your point. ZS has to also deal with a coaching staff last season that quit on them and a coaching staff this season that has yet to demonstrate that they themselves know how to win.

YoakDaddy said:

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graysongrundhoefer said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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graysongrundhoefer said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Assassin said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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wow!

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Just saying. This is literally not the team that won 7 games last year.

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Ya not the same team at all plus everyone wants to say we returned our proven QB at the most important position from last year but forget that Seth won those first 6 games.

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But it ain't Smith's fault we lost the last 6 regular season games either.

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True but I am just saying that our "proven" QB is 1-9 in games he has started. He has not learned how to win at this level yet because he is only a Sophomore. It takes time.

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I happen to disagree with you because of his experience with these players and their comfort with him as compared to Solomon, but I understand your point. ZS has to also deal with a coaching staff last season that quit on them and a coaching staff this season that has yet to demonstrate that they themselves know how to win.

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The kid has been tough as hell. He thought he was going to be tutored by Art Briles and run the greatest show on earth.

Instead, he had to endure last year and now this year.

Those carry-over players who haven't been run off deserve some major, major props.

Blake Lynch specifically comes to mind, too. Goes from being an offensive threat with almost limitless potential in the CAB offense to trying to play cornerback. I really hope it works out for him.

I agree. Unfortunately it's hard to have that opinion here. It's either trust the process or Briles for life. There are some very basic things he's done poorly which should be concerning to even the most blindly loyal Rhule followers. I said it a few weeks ago, it's been mediocre to poor coaching. What else could you call it?

Mothra said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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We returned most of our starters on both sides of the ball. 3 of the 5 offensive lineman, the QB, the top two RB's, and two of the top 4 receivers. Defense returned all but one starter on the D-line and two linebackers, along with two DB's. That's mostly the team from last year.

I will grant you that we don't have much depth, and that the freshmen and sophomores are having to play backup roles that they wouldn't normally have to play due to attrition.

It will be interesting to see how we play here on out - with our full stable of RB's healthy, the line getting more experience, as well as the wide receivers. We should start to see significant improvement moving forward and win a few - the key word being "should."

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One of the main issues in the first few games was the Center position. Bad snaps, mishandled snaps, bad long snaps. Everything starts at the C. All timing starts there.

Looks like things started to jell in the last game or so. But it takes years to get the nuances of the position. Nothing natural about the squat or having a guys hands in the nether regions. And thats not even considering firing off the line as a blocker against the biggest, strongest guy (usually) for the other team at NT/1 tech.

Tech may have the basics down but expect a few more snafus as the year goes along. Nothing against him - it just takes many seasons to do that job correctly

I greatly appreciate your post MH55.
Up until now, I have not witnessed much rhyme or reason to what is taking place on the field.
I understand that with the loss of so many players, this is a rebuilding season, and am willing to give him my mandatory 3 years. (That's when the coach's recruits get on the field with a year or two under his system.)

I DO think he is going to be forced to alter his offense because of how we play in the Big 12.
Iowa State did not beat OU (in Norman) by running the ball and playing defense. They torched the Sooners with deep throws and a spread offense, with a QB who could perform the read option.

That's reality in the B12. If CMR is as smart as you say, he will evolve. (But please don't tell any Baptists. They don't believe in evolution.)

He needs to move faster than evolve on his offensive philosophy, Pecos. He needs to be a much faster learner.

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I greatly appreciate your post MH55.
Up until now, I have not witnessed much rhyme or reason to what is taking place on the field.
I understand that with the loss of so many players, this is a rebuilding season, and am willing to give him my mandatory 3 years. (That's when the coach's recruits get on the field with a year or two under his system.)

I DO think he is going to be forced to alter his offense because of how we play in the Big 12.
Iowa State did not beat OU (in Norman) by running the ball and playing defense. They torched the Sooners with deep throws and a spread offense, with a QB who could perform the read option.

That's reality in the B12. If CMR is as smart as you say, he will evolve. (But please don't tell any Baptists. They don't believe in evolution.)

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Well if it's the spread you're looking for, then I have good news--we've been running the spread the majority of snaps this season.

BrooksBearLives said:

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Mothra said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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la1037 said:

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Rhule is the first coach in the history of Baylor to likely win zero games all year with 74 3* and 4* players. He may be the first coach in the history of NCAA football to go winless with this much talent.

Believe it or not, I appreciate positivity, but I am curious how bad does it have to get or can it ever get bad enough for some of you to really care about wining or losing. If we get kicked out of the Big 12, we can look back to this hire as the final straw.

He needs to win (with a clean program). Everything else is just talk.

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29 of the 44 on the two-deep are freshmen/sophomores.

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We returned most of our starters on both sides of the ball. 3 of the 5 offensive lineman, the QB, the top two RB's, and two of the top 4 receivers. Defense returned all but one starter on the D-line and two linebackers, along with two DB's. That's mostly the team from last year.

I will grant you that we don't have much depth, and that the freshmen and sophomores are having to play backup roles that they wouldn't normally have to play due to attrition.

It will be interesting to see how we play here on out - with our full stable of RB's healthy, the line getting more experience, as well as the wide receivers. We should start to see significant improvement moving forward and win a few - the key word being "should."

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How bout that O-line, tho?

1.

1 starter.

Guys, I started to settle in for a rough ride the minute I fully realized how thin and young our O-Line is. On top of that, the guys that WERE here, were being asked to learn a whole new scheme.

Doesn't matter how good our QB is (he's great, but very VERY young) if the O-line is rough, he's going to struggle. In a way, I feel bad for Anu. I imagine that's why he got the edge to start, because he's more mobile than Zach. Thought that would mitigate the O-Line situation.

I don't think the cupboard is bare. But it's young, and skinny, and being asked to do a completely different set of tricks.

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3 starters back from last year. Blackmar, Lawrence and Wilson. And we had Porter who was basically another starter with the number of snaps he played last year.

In what year do we beat Liberty? Year 2 or 3?

Ghostrider said:

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In what year do we beat Liberty? Year 2 or 3?

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The same year you have a job that Uncle Ghostrider didn't provide.

Oh s*** we're screwed

PervertedLittleTarts said:

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Pecos 45 said:

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I greatly appreciate your post MH55.
Up until now, I have not witnessed much rhyme or reason to what is taking place on the field.
I understand that with the loss of so many players, this is a rebuilding season, and am willing to give him my mandatory 3 years. (That's when the coach's recruits get on the field with a year or two under his system.)

I DO think he is going to be forced to alter his offense because of how we play in the Big 12.
Iowa State did not beat OU (in Norman) by running the ball and playing defense. They torched the Sooners with deep throws and a spread offense, with a QB who could perform the read option.

That's reality in the B12. If CMR is as smart as you say, he will evolve. (But please don't tell any Baptists. They don't believe in evolution.)

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Well if it's the spread you're looking for, then I have good news--we've been running the spread the majority of snaps this season.

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While true, it hasn't been combined with the HUNH, which is what makes the Oregon spread so effective.

When you slow the spread down to a grind it out pace, it's not nearly as effective. Thus, you get what we've been watching week in and week out.

Mothra said:

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PervertedLittleTarts said:

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Pecos 45 said:

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I greatly appreciate your post MH55.
Up until now, I have not witnessed much rhyme or reason to what is taking place on the field.
I understand that with the loss of so many players, this is a rebuilding season, and am willing to give him my mandatory 3 years. (That's when the coach's recruits get on the field with a year or two under his system.)

I DO think he is going to be forced to alter his offense because of how we play in the Big 12.
Iowa State did not beat OU (in Norman) by running the ball and playing defense. They torched the Sooners with deep throws and a spread offense, with a QB who could perform the read option.

That's reality in the B12. If CMR is as smart as you say, he will evolve. (But please don't tell any Baptists. They don't believe in evolution.)

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Well if it's the spread you're looking for, then I have good news--we've been running the spread the majority of snaps this season.

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While true, it hasn't been combined with the HUNH, which is what makes the Oregon spread so effective.

When you slow the spread down to a grind it out pace, it's not nearly as effective. Thus, you get what we've been watching week in and week out.

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We have not been playing a pure spread. We have played spread, I formation and some modified pro-set and single wing with the tight ends in.

Spread offenses are generally built to exploit matchup weaknesses or the open zone / man if the defense blitzes. Slowing it down makes it more difficult to exploit those as it lets the defense match personnel and read the hot route (assuming we have a hot route).

303Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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PervertedLittleTarts said:

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Pecos 45 said:

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I greatly appreciate your post MH55.
Up until now, I have not witnessed much rhyme or reason to what is taking place on the field.
I understand that with the loss of so many players, this is a rebuilding season, and am willing to give him my mandatory 3 years. (That's when the coach's recruits get on the field with a year or two under his system.)

I DO think he is going to be forced to alter his offense because of how we play in the Big 12.
Iowa State did not beat OU (in Norman) by running the ball and playing defense. They torched the Sooners with deep throws and a spread offense, with a QB who could perform the read option.

That's reality in the B12. If CMR is as smart as you say, he will evolve. (But please don't tell any Baptists. They don't believe in evolution.)

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Well if it's the spread you're looking for, then I have good news--we've been running the spread the majority of snaps this season.

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While true, it hasn't been combined with the HUNH, which is what makes the Oregon spread so effective.

When you slow the spread down to a grind it out pace, it's not nearly as effective. Thus, you get what we've been watching week in and week out.

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We have not been playing a pure spread. We have played spread, I formation and some modified pro-set and single wing with the tight ends in.

Spread offenses are generally built to exploit matchup weaknesses or the open zone / man if the defense blitzes. Slowing it down makes it more difficult to exploit those as it lets the defense match personnel and read the hot route (assuming we have a hot route).

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Completely agree, It's been a mix and match.

80 yards in one half of football. Does not mater if we are running the spread or not, bottom line it is not a productive offense.

Bottom line is that we are 0-5 with D-1 talent.

This is a coaching problem. A staff learning OJT who came with no answers on how to attack B12 defenses and an offense to boot. Doesn't matter how many NFL talent they can develop, what matters to Baylor fans is their won/loss record.

Blame injuries on the problem, and you can blame releasing Kaz for that. Conditioning is a problem with this team.

With the players returning, there is more quality than Temple ever had. Snyder solves the depth problem at KS by bringing in 20+ Jucos this year and he schools Rhule.

Maybe he will turn us around in subsequent years, but his learning curve started as thought he had no game coaching experience and he and his staff are learning from scratch.

jumpinjoe said:

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Bottom line is that we are 0-5 with D-1 talent.

This is a coaching problem. A staff learning OJT who came with no answers on how to attack B12 defenses and an offense to boot. Doesn't matter how many NFL talent they can develop, what matters to Baylor fans is their won/loss record.

Blame injuries on the problem, and you can blame releasing Kaz for that. Conditioning is a problem with this team.

With the players returning, there is more quality than Temple ever had. Snyder solves the depth problem at KS by bringing in 20+ Jucos this year and he schools Rhule.

Maybe he will turn us around in subsequent years, but his learning curve started as thought he had no game coaching experience and he and his staff are learning from scratch.

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Much if this is not fact or ignores facts.

You've been optimistic about Rhule. Curious on your thoughts after today's game and whether you see us winning a game going forward.

Mothra said:

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You've been optimistic about Rhule. Curious on your thoughts after today's game and whether you see us winning a game going forward.

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Man, I don't know. Today we played a really good team. One highly motivated and wasn't going to overlook us as it was their homecoming. We never play well in Stillwater.

I just keep coming back to the fact that 29 out of the 44 on our 2-deep are freshmen/sophomores. We are thin all over. The talent is largely inexperienced. And the veterans we DO have are either playing through injuries or coming back from them.

But 29 of the 44 haven't had more than 18 months on a big-time training program.

At this point, I want as many guys as is smart to get experience and learn the right way. I've written this season off. If we beat Kansas or catch ISU napping, that'd go a long way.