Texas Tech's Investment

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blackie said:

Perhaps this is what it is going to take to cause the SEC (especially) and B1G off their high horses to realize this is going to end up hurting them and the end result is that some sanity comes back into play for college football.

I really don't know what you prove by just buying championships. It seems obvious that if you corral the best talent you should win....and pity the poor coach that does not.


They are simply capitalizing on it while they can, as there is a great chance that their relatively clear pathway to the CFP won't remain that way forever. Their 2026 schedule will almost certainly be easier than the 2025 schedule unless something crazy happens regarding the portal given Oregon State out of conference; Cincinnati, TCU and ASU lost starting QBs to transfer; and they miss Utah and BYU. Given that, Houston, Oklahoma State and Arizona could easily end up being the hardest games on their schedule - those should be breezes for any HC in FBS if Tech maintains its talent accumulation advantages.
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Does mention getting top coach once. HC is not that important IF you have right guy getting the players. Hell, even a High School coach can get you to playoff.

Why do you think Saban all of a sudden retired, his method of having better players was over ...
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Jacques Strap said:

Tech outspent Baylor but some of the teams above BU spent less. Perhaps a lot less.

BU needs more bang for the buck.





So when I observed that in less than a decade Linda/Mack/Dave had taken Baylor football from a place where Texas was a peer to a place where UTSA and Texas State were peers, I wasn't wrong.
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Realitybites said:

Jacques Strap said:

Tech outspent Baylor but some of the teams above BU spent less. Perhaps a lot less.

BU needs more bang for the buck.





So when I observed that in less than a decade Linda/Mack/Dave had taken Baylor football from a place where Texas was a peer to a place where UTSA and Texas State were peers, I wasn't wrong.

This is where Baylor has SUCKED. Baylor has taken players without any idea of how they would use them or if they would fit or start.

Tech paid Bailey and that front 7 a lot, but they knew exactly where they were going and what schemes were going to be run BEFORE they signed. We don't seem to do that. We seem to try and get them to fit after we got them. The NIL people need to think more in terms of productive units, not individual players who want to come to Baylor. They need to ID and go and get... Like Tech did.
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FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Jacques Strap said:

Tech outspent Baylor but some of the teams above BU spent less. Perhaps a lot less.

BU needs more bang for the buck.





So when I observed that in less than a decade Linda/Mack/Dave had taken Baylor football from a place where Texas was a peer to a place where UTSA and Texas State were peers, I wasn't wrong.

This is where Baylor has SUCKED. Baylor has taken players without any idea of how they would use them or if they would fit or start.

Tech paid Bailey and that front 7 a lot, but they knew exactly where they were going and what schemes were going to be run BEFORE they signed. We don't seem to do that. We seem to try and get them to fit after we got them. The NIL people need to think more in terms of productive units, not individual players who want to come to Baylor. They need to ID and go and get... Like Tech did.

Thats because Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech with Joey and JKB knows the talent and where they fit. Evidently we dont have a guy that can do that on our staff currently.
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muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Jacques Strap said:

Tech outspent Baylor but some of the teams above BU spent less. Perhaps a lot less.

BU needs more bang for the buck.





So when I observed that in less than a decade Linda/Mack/Dave had taken Baylor football from a place where Texas was a peer to a place where UTSA and Texas State were peers, I wasn't wrong.

This is where Baylor has SUCKED. Baylor has taken players without any idea of how they would use them or if they would fit or start.

Tech paid Bailey and that front 7 a lot, but they knew exactly where they were going and what schemes were going to be run BEFORE they signed. We don't seem to do that. We seem to try and get them to fit after we got them. The NIL people need to think more in terms of productive units, not individual players who want to come to Baylor. They need to ID and go and get... Like Tech did.

Thats because Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech with Joey and JKB knows the talent and where they fit. Evidently we dont have a guy that can do that on our staff currently.

That makes more sense to what we have seen than the loss of Joey. Didn't know that.
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FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Jacques Strap said:

Tech outspent Baylor but some of the teams above BU spent less. Perhaps a lot less.

BU needs more bang for the buck.





So when I observed that in less than a decade Linda/Mack/Dave had taken Baylor football from a place where Texas was a peer to a place where UTSA and Texas State were peers, I wasn't wrong.

This is where Baylor has SUCKED. Baylor has taken players without any idea of how they would use them or if they would fit or start.

Tech paid Bailey and that front 7 a lot, but they knew exactly where they were going and what schemes were going to be run BEFORE they signed. We don't seem to do that. We seem to try and get them to fit after we got them. The NIL people need to think more in terms of productive units, not individual players who want to come to Baylor. They need to ID and go and get... Like Tech did.

Thats because Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech with Joey and JKB knows the talent and where they fit. Evidently we dont have a guy that can do that on our staff currently.

That makes more sense to what we have seen than the loss of Joey. Didn't know that.

"Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech"...were we completely unwilling to negotiate to retain his services? I thought Tech dropped a bag on him (and he worked with Joey for several more years than he did Dave)
blackie
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Bearknuckle said:

FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Jacques Strap said:

Tech outspent Baylor but some of the teams above BU spent less. Perhaps a lot less.

BU needs more bang for the buck.





So when I observed that in less than a decade Linda/Mack/Dave had taken Baylor football from a place where Texas was a peer to a place where UTSA and Texas State were peers, I wasn't wrong.

This is where Baylor has SUCKED. Baylor has taken players without any idea of how they would use them or if they would fit or start.

Tech paid Bailey and that front 7 a lot, but they knew exactly where they were going and what schemes were going to be run BEFORE they signed. We don't seem to do that. We seem to try and get them to fit after we got them. The NIL people need to think more in terms of productive units, not individual players who want to come to Baylor. They need to ID and go and get... Like Tech did.

Thats because Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech with Joey and JKB knows the talent and where they fit. Evidently we dont have a guy that can do that on our staff currently.

That makes more sense to what we have seen than the loss of Joey. Didn't know that.

"Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech"...were we completely unwilling to negotiate to retain his services? I thought Tech dropped a bag on him (and he worked with Joey for several more years than he did Dave)

The latter is more likely the truth. But the former fits the agendas that want to be carried forward on this board.
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blackie said:

Bearknuckle said:

FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Jacques Strap said:

Tech outspent Baylor but some of the teams above BU spent less. Perhaps a lot less.

BU needs more bang for the buck.





So when I observed that in less than a decade Linda/Mack/Dave had taken Baylor football from a place where Texas was a peer to a place where UTSA and Texas State were peers, I wasn't wrong.

This is where Baylor has SUCKED. Baylor has taken players without any idea of how they would use them or if they would fit or start.

Tech paid Bailey and that front 7 a lot, but they knew exactly where they were going and what schemes were going to be run BEFORE they signed. We don't seem to do that. We seem to try and get them to fit after we got them. The NIL people need to think more in terms of productive units, not individual players who want to come to Baylor. They need to ID and go and get... Like Tech did.

Thats because Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech with Joey and JKB knows the talent and where they fit. Evidently we dont have a guy that can do that on our staff currently.

That makes more sense to what we have seen than the loss of Joey. Didn't know that.

"Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech"...were we completely unwilling to negotiate to retain his services? I thought Tech dropped a bag on him (and he worked with Joey for several more years than he did Dave)

The latter is more likely the truth. But the former fits the agendas that want to be carried forward on this board.

if we're all going to speculate, seems like Mack might have been the one JKB didn't want to work with, as opposed to CDA...
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Bearknuckle said:

blackie said:

Bearknuckle said:

FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Jacques Strap said:

Tech outspent Baylor but some of the teams above BU spent less. Perhaps a lot less.

BU needs more bang for the buck.





So when I observed that in less than a decade Linda/Mack/Dave had taken Baylor football from a place where Texas was a peer to a place where UTSA and Texas State were peers, I wasn't wrong.

This is where Baylor has SUCKED. Baylor has taken players without any idea of how they would use them or if they would fit or start.

Tech paid Bailey and that front 7 a lot, but they knew exactly where they were going and what schemes were going to be run BEFORE they signed. We don't seem to do that. We seem to try and get them to fit after we got them. The NIL people need to think more in terms of productive units, not individual players who want to come to Baylor. They need to ID and go and get... Like Tech did.

Thats because Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech with Joey and JKB knows the talent and where they fit. Evidently we dont have a guy that can do that on our staff currently.

That makes more sense to what we have seen than the loss of Joey. Didn't know that.

"Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech"...were we completely unwilling to negotiate to retain his services? I thought Tech dropped a bag on him (and he worked with Joey for several more years than he did Dave)

The latter is more likely the truth. But the former fits the agendas that want to be carried forward on this board.

if we're all going to speculate, seems like Mack might have been the one JKB didn't want to work with, as opposed to CDA...

Very well could be.
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Bearknuckle said:

blackie said:

Bearknuckle said:

FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Jacques Strap said:

Tech outspent Baylor but some of the teams above BU spent less. Perhaps a lot less.

BU needs more bang for the buck.





So when I observed that in less than a decade Linda/Mack/Dave had taken Baylor football from a place where Texas was a peer to a place where UTSA and Texas State were peers, I wasn't wrong.

This is where Baylor has SUCKED. Baylor has taken players without any idea of how they would use them or if they would fit or start.

Tech paid Bailey and that front 7 a lot, but they knew exactly where they were going and what schemes were going to be run BEFORE they signed. We don't seem to do that. We seem to try and get them to fit after we got them. The NIL people need to think more in terms of productive units, not individual players who want to come to Baylor. They need to ID and go and get... Like Tech did.

Thats because Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech with Joey and JKB knows the talent and where they fit. Evidently we dont have a guy that can do that on our staff currently.

That makes more sense to what we have seen than the loss of Joey. Didn't know that.

"Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech"...were we completely unwilling to negotiate to retain his services? I thought Tech dropped a bag on him (and he worked with Joey for several more years than he did Dave)

The latter is more likely the truth. But the former fits the agendas that want to be carried forward on this board.

if we're all going to speculate, seems like Mack might have been the one JKB didn't want to work with, as opposed to CDA...

Mack likes laydowns. Good Boys like Sweet Dave
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Bearknuckle said:

FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Jacques Strap said:

Tech outspent Baylor but some of the teams above BU spent less. Perhaps a lot less.

BU needs more bang for the buck.





So when I observed that in less than a decade Linda/Mack/Dave had taken Baylor football from a place where Texas was a peer to a place where UTSA and Texas State were peers, I wasn't wrong.

This is where Baylor has SUCKED. Baylor has taken players without any idea of how they would use them or if they would fit or start.

Tech paid Bailey and that front 7 a lot, but they knew exactly where they were going and what schemes were going to be run BEFORE they signed. We don't seem to do that. We seem to try and get them to fit after we got them. The NIL people need to think more in terms of productive units, not individual players who want to come to Baylor. They need to ID and go and get... Like Tech did.

Thats because Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech with Joey and JKB knows the talent and where they fit. Evidently we dont have a guy that can do that on our staff currently.

That makes more sense to what we have seen than the loss of Joey. Didn't know that.

"Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech"...were we completely unwilling to negotiate to retain his services? I thought Tech dropped a bag on him (and he worked with Joey for several more years than he did Dave)


Yeah plus Notre Dame tried to hire Blanchard, and Tech was able to retain him. That tells us everything we need to know.
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blackie said:

Bearknuckle said:

FLBear5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Jacques Strap said:

Tech outspent Baylor but some of the teams above BU spent less. Perhaps a lot less.

BU needs more bang for the buck.





So when I observed that in less than a decade Linda/Mack/Dave had taken Baylor football from a place where Texas was a peer to a place where UTSA and Texas State were peers, I wasn't wrong.

This is where Baylor has SUCKED. Baylor has taken players without any idea of how they would use them or if they would fit or start.

Tech paid Bailey and that front 7 a lot, but they knew exactly where they were going and what schemes were going to be run BEFORE they signed. We don't seem to do that. We seem to try and get them to fit after we got them. The NIL people need to think more in terms of productive units, not individual players who want to come to Baylor. They need to ID and go and get... Like Tech did.

Thats because Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech with Joey and JKB knows the talent and where they fit. Evidently we dont have a guy that can do that on our staff currently.

That makes more sense to what we have seen than the loss of Joey. Didn't know that.

"Dave let James Blanchard walk to Tech"...were we completely unwilling to negotiate to retain his services? I thought Tech dropped a bag on him (and he worked with Joey for several more years than he did Dave)

The latter is more likely the truth. But the former fits the agendas that want to be carried forward on this board.
My only agenda is not having to wear a bag over my head as a BU football fan.
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Tech may be seeing a similar uptick with others besides Campbell now being motivated after getting a taste of success unlike Texas tech has ever had in football.

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Aberzombie1892 said:

TeamPlayer said:

To be fair to Tech, much of their roster were Texas high school players that they developed, not obtained through the portal or free agency. Yes, some key additions were purchased, but Roberts and Rodriguez, QB, both RB, and others are program players.

This is a bit of a misleading analysis in the sense the many of the players brough in by Tech via the portal were head and shoulders above the rest of the Big 12. To rephrase, if you take the players Tech brought in via the portal during the 2024-2025 offseason and move them to any other Big 12 program for the 2025 season, that other Big 12 program probably wins the Big 12 in 2025. That's how significant that collection of players are in the Big 12 conference.

Good lord, no. We don't have a single player on defense the level of Roberts and Rodriguez. Adding Bailey, etc. barely moves the needle for Baylor. We're probably 7-5 at best. You have to have the framework of a good team in place before adding those guys. Tech had that - - give them credit for that.
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7-5? You're bright-eyed aren't you? Please tell me where you're seeing seven wins on that schedule?
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We couldn't even win 7 games with our "best team" this season
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CaliBear00 said:

7-5? You're bright-eyed aren't you? Please tell me where you're seeing seven wins on that schedule?

I don't think you followed the entire discussion. I was replying to a poster that suggested that if any other Big 12 team had purchased the players Tech did, they would have won conference. That means us . . . I disputed that by suggesting we might have gone 7-5 instead of 5-7.
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Aranda had his most talented team in years and couldn't even reach bowl eligibility. I don't need the context for that.
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CaliBear00 said:

Aranda had his most talented team in years and couldn't even reach bowl eligibility. I don't need the context for that.

This was not his most talented team. It was estimated to be that pre-season. But, as the season showed, it was not. It was pretty mediocre.
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Nothing is impossible, and we don't even know who is going to be on the team yet, or the opponents.

Not saying it is likely, but IF Baylor gets the two wins vs non-conference "easier" opponents, six seems like the best possible speculation at this point. Probably closer to four, but it's still almost a year away.

RG3 could get another year of eligibility, you never know.
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FLBear5630 said:

CaliBear00 said:

Aranda had his most talented team in years and couldn't even reach bowl eligibility. I don't need the context for that.

This was not his most talented team. It was estimated to be that pre-season. But, as the season showed, it was not. It was pretty mediocre.


Nice try, Mrs. Aranda. By all accounts, it was our best team since 2021.

Your lousey husband fired his mentor. Brought back a guy that already had a failed career here (Powledge), then set him aside to be the DC this past season. While he was coined a "guru," he led the Bears to one of the WORST defenses in FBS.

You have got to be Mrs. Aranda, Dave Aranda, or one of the staff members to be gaslighting us like that.

Even if this team was factually mediocre, who is responsible for that in year fkn six????????
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Tech didn't spend anything. A jock sniffing billionaire booster paid for all of it.
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canoso said:

ABC BEAR said:

$28M for a conference title. Points scored in a CFP game are extra.
A 2025 conference championship is merely the first dividend of many more to come.


Exactly

We have a lot of Baylor fans hitting the copium hard trying to pretend it's not a big thing.



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Danielsjackson114 said:

FLBear5630 said:

CaliBear00 said:

Aranda had his most talented team in years and couldn't even reach bowl eligibility. I don't need the context for that.

This was not his most talented team. It was estimated to be that pre-season. But, as the season showed, it was not. It was pretty mediocre.


Nice try, Mrs. Aranda. By all accounts, it was our best team since 2021.

Your lousey husband fired his mentor. Brought back a guy that already had a failed career here (Powledge), then set him aside to be the DC this past season. While he was coined a "guru," he led the Bears to one of the WORST defenses in FBS.

You have got to be Mrs. Aranda, Dave Aranda, or one of the staff members to be gaslighting us like that.

Even if this team was factually mediocre, who is responsible for that in year fkn six????????

No, not by all accounts. By the talking heads at Magazines and people that like to think they "really know".

The one account that is wasn't was performance on the field. The defense sucked. How many different defenses/coverages did they try last year? Nothing worked. The players were not as good as you guys thought.

If it is the scheme with good players that gets correct, IF they are good enough they can do SOMETHING well. That was not the case with BU's defense. It did not matter the scheme or the DCoord they got beat constantly. That is the players.

We spent a lot of money on players that are not good enough to play in the B12. The thing people don't get is just because you pay a lot, doesn't mean they are any good. Tech did a great job of IDing players that could play and the paid for it. We didn't, we took chances. How many were top players on the teams they left? Robertson, our best transfer, left Miss St because he wasn't playing and he took several years to develop. We have NOBODY in the caliber of the Tech transfers and still paid.
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Dave himself said this was his best roster since 2021… there's really no need to spin this. This team had no business going 5-7.
The head coaches own words back that up. Just further evidence that Baylor is coached by the worst coach in P4…. By friggin miles..
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IowaBear said:

Dave himself said this was his best roster since 2021… there's really no need to spin this. This team had no business going 5-7.
The head coaches own words back that up. Just further evidence that Baylor is coached by the worst coach in P4…. By friggin miles..

There is no spin. Obviously, they weren't. The record speaks for it self. You are what your record says you are.

I don't give a **** if we fire Aranda. But, don't delude yourself. How many of these defensive players are going to studs on other teams? Hell, or even targeted by good teams? I see none, they will be rotational/role players that may or may not start. There is NOT one DB that goes to a playoff team and starts. This was a defense of 2nd string players and performed that way.

But, when you start putting evaluations over on the field performance you are in deep trouble. You are what your record says you are. We need some Cignetti attitude, what do we do? We win. We don't we justify and blame.
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These are guys COACHED by Dave. Again… this all falls on Dave. Either he sucks at developing guys (likely) or he sucks at play evaluations when recruiting (also likely) Baylor had more talent that pretty much every opponent this year aside from Utah, Auburn, and maybe TCU, Cincy.
And they went 5-7. Could have very easily went 3-9. The talent on this team didn't match the record. And it's fairly obvious to anyone who pays attention why that happened.
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Five defensive guys have committed elsewhere. All went P4.

Ole Miss
Florida
Florida
North Carolina
Kentucky

No one's ended up in the MAC as of yet.
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Bobsyouruncle said:

Five defensive guys have committed elsewhere. All went P4.

Ole Miss
Florida
Florida
North Carolina
Kentucky

No one's ended up in the MAC as of yet.

Let's see who plays and who doesn't.

On the field is what matters or they are just Coach killers. Will be interesting.

Ole Miss is a good team. The rest are as bad as Baylor.
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FLBear5630 said:

Bobsyouruncle said:

Five defensive guys have committed elsewhere. All went P4.

Ole Miss
Florida
Florida
North Carolina
Kentucky

No one's ended up in the MAC as of yet.

Let's see who plays and who doesn't.

On the field is what matters or they are just Coach killers. Will be interesting.

Ole Miss is a good team. The rest are as bad as Baylor.

Oh, I see now.

You are just a troll...
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Danielsjackson114 said:

FLBear5630 said:

Bobsyouruncle said:

Five defensive guys have committed elsewhere. All went P4.

Ole Miss
Florida
Florida
North Carolina
Kentucky

No one's ended up in the MAC as of yet.

Let's see who plays and who doesn't.

On the field is what matters or they are just Coach killers. Will be interesting.

Ole Miss is a good team. The rest are as bad as Baylor.

Oh, I see now.

You are just a troll...

Yeah, that's it.

Easy way to see how they are valued. How much did they get? They get starter money? Backup? 50k min for a practice body? How did it compare to the other players brought in?

We can argue last year's team all you want. The bottomline is the quality of the players coming in and coaching has to increase if we are going to contend for the B12 title.
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FLBear5630 said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

FLBear5630 said:

CaliBear00 said:

Aranda had his most talented team in years and couldn't even reach bowl eligibility. I don't need the context for that.

This was not his most talented team. It was estimated to be that pre-season. But, as the season showed, it was not. It was pretty mediocre.


Nice try, Mrs. Aranda. By all accounts, it was our best team since 2021.

Your lousey husband fired his mentor. Brought back a guy that already had a failed career here (Powledge), then set him aside to be the DC this past season. While he was coined a "guru," he led the Bears to one of the WORST defenses in FBS.

You have got to be Mrs. Aranda, Dave Aranda, or one of the staff members to be gaslighting us like that.

Even if this team was factually mediocre, who is responsible for that in year fkn six????????

No, not by all accounts. By the talking heads at Magazines and people that like to think they "really know".

The one account that is wasn't was performance on the field. The defense sucked. How many different defenses/coverages did they try last year? Nothing worked. The players were not as good as you guys thought.

If it is the scheme with good players that gets correct, IF they are good enough they can do SOMETHING well. That was not the case with BU's defense. It did not matter the scheme or the DCoord they got beat constantly. That is the players.

We spent a lot of money on players that are not good enough to play in the B12. The thing people don't get is just because you pay a lot, doesn't mean they are any good. Tech did a great job of IDing players that could play and the paid for it. We didn't, we took chances. How many were top players on the teams they left? Robertson, our best transfer, left Miss St because he wasn't playing and he took several years to develop. We have NOBODY in the caliber of the Tech transfers and still paid.

Sawyer left Miss St bc his coach died. Our qb, who mostly sucked, left us to go to MIss st and be their starter.
 
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