Kaz Kazadi is available

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boognish_bear
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PartyBear
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Why would they fire him? He has been with Dykes since Rhule fired him. We should replace our strength and conditioning team with his.
GruntTuff
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ENMU??

Nah, but it would be nice. His salary there would probably be about $45k, but he'd have fun.

ImABearToo
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Is he too toxic? Also, is Corey Coleman available? He had a year on TCU's staff.
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GruntTuff
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We can only hope (not gonna happen).
boognish_bear
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ABC BEAR
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He always gave us every ounce of effort and the players responded like champions.
dstaylor57
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I would go after whoever rhule had when he was here. Rhules defense was well conditioned and tough as nails. Or maybe that was just good coaching.
chorne68
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You can never go home again. There was a reason he was let go. Not our answer. Get big linemen, linebackers and receivers.
Johnny Bear
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During CAB's time I always thought Kaz was the second most impactful coach on the staff and still feel that way. Given how just about anyone on last year's schedule with a pulse routinely pushed us around all over the field (especially our D) I don't see how hiring him could be anything but a big upgrade to say the least.
PartyBear
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I think he has been the secret sauce to Sonny's resurrection as a HC at this level, first at SMU and then the success at TCU. I'm flabbergasted he would fire him barring a scandal.
Dia del DougO
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He likely has Eastern New Mexico as a fallback.
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Johnny Bear
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Dia del DougO said:

He likely has Eastern New Mexico as a fallback.

Doubt Eastern New Mexico could afford him.
ABC BEAR
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GruntTuff said:

ENMU??

Nah, but it would be nice. His salary there would probably be about $45k, but he'd have fun.



I'm starting to feel it! A Blues Brothers-esque redux. Jake and Elwood getting the band together again. Might have to hit the road and and warm up at Bob's Country Bunker (ENMU) before coming back to town to save the orphanage, (Baylor).
canoso
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Johnny Bear said:

Dia del DougO said:

He likely has Eastern New Mexico as a fallback.

Doubt Eastern New Mexico could afford him.
IMO chances are good he'd take a pay cut to work with CAB again. We'll see.
Stefano DiMera
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That's comedy.

You taking a 70% pay cut to work for someone?

Cashier at Kroger makes more than an assistant there.
canoso
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Stefano DiMera said:

That's comedy.

You taking a 70% pay cut to work for someone?

Cashier at Kroger makes more than an assistant there.
Your source for the 70% pay cut claim, please. We'll wait. Also your source for how much assistants there will make now that ENMU is serious about winning football, please.
Stefano DiMera
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canoso said:

Stefano DiMera said:

That's comedy.

You taking a 70% pay cut to work for someone?

Cashier at Kroger makes more than an assistant there.
Your source for the 70% pay cut claim, please. We'll wait. Also your source for how much assistants there will make now that ENMU is serious about winning football, please.


Google is your friend.

The average D2 head coach salary is $133k

Assistant coaches average 40k.

So you can figure what a strength and conditioning coach makes.

Kaz made 1 million at TCU.. you think he's gonna take a job making 25k?!
ImwithBU
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Definitely would go after him. He was still here after Briles and gave his all. Teams were always physical during that time. Motivation and inspirational. What we have now, well ...
montypython
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I think a lot of people associate Kaz with the successful portion of the Briles era and just intermingle the two as part of the success, but I never looked at it that way.For starters, I think its almost impossible to accurately measure one strength coach vs another when looking at on the field results. Is it the program, or the players you have? I would always point to the latter.

For example, our defense during the Briles era was routinely trucked by just about every offense with a pulse. Couldn't get off the field, rarely got a 3rd down stop. No pressure on opposing QBs..ever..It was like that before, during and after Kaz was here. So if I look at things from that viewpoint, he was no better than any other S&C coach.

The only time that changed in recent memory is when Rhule and Snow were on the sidelines and our defense mauled teams in the B12 on the regular. Our offenses didn't push anyone around during Rhules tenure. So that makes me think it really just comes down to individual players and there is no science that points us to exactly who is going to turn out to be a great player. If it was easily determined, someone would have come up with a formula by now.

Also - Whatever people think of Kaz just remember - TCU got obliterated vs Georgia a few years ago in the CFP and Kaz was the S&C coach at the time...
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montypython said:

I think a lot of people associate Kaz with the successful portion of the Briles era and just intermingle the two as part of the success, but I never looked at it that way.

Our defense was routinely trucked by just about every offense with a pulse. Couldn't get off the field, rarely got a 3rd down stop. No pressure on opposing QBs..ever..It was like that before, during and after Kaz was here.

The only time that changed in recent memory is when Rhule and Snow were on the sidelines and our defense mauled teams in the B12 on the regular.

Also - Whatever people think of Kaz just remember - TCU got obliterated vs Georgia a few years ago in the CFP and Kaz was the S&C coach at the time...

Monty is 100% correct. I realize all of the Madden experts on here don't want to hear it but there really is major truth that football players can "look like Tarzan & play like Jane". In my 4 years of Baylor and 4 years of earning a paycheck in two different professional leagues I saw it over and over again.

This Kaz guy understood how to play the strength & conditioning game. He dressed the part, talked the part and looked the part. He was probably a good S&C coach. Still is. By the time a kid has been in a program for a year or two you know if the kid can play football and make a difference. In today's high school and college programs a kid has very little upside left in S&C due to excellent habits formed by high school coaching, off season parental hires to train their little kids to be an NFL superstar and just plain desire.

I've seen hundreds of kids who had all of the physical tools but very few of the mental tools or heart.

I'm sure Kaz is a great guy and has a super program. He and any other S&C coach have to have 100% buy-in by the players before you see true differences.

All too often self-marketing or a moment caught on video can fluff up an average run of the mill coach. Kind of like what happened after the TCU post game taunting Baylor received back when RG3 was walking up the concourse. TCU spanked us 45-10 and Kaz "spoke up" for RG3 and other players who were being verbally berated by Toad fans. The return volley Kaz delivered helped elevate his persona a few notches.

if you've never been around or been involved at high levels of competition I fully understand how you can be misled or make a decision that might be rash.

canoso
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montypython said:

I think a lot of people associate Kaz with the successful portion of the Briles era and just intermingle the two as part of the success, but I never looked at it that way.

Our defense was routinely trucked by just about every offense with a pulse. Couldn't get off the field, rarely got a 3rd down stop. No pressure on opposing QBs..ever..It was like that before, during and after Kaz was here.

The only time that changed in recent memory is when Rhule and Snow were on the sidelines and our defense mauled teams in the B12 on the regular.

Also - Whatever people think of Kaz just remember - TCU got obliterated vs Georgia a few years ago in the CFP and Kaz was the S&C coach at the time...
Nice try, but that isn't enough cherries to make even a tart, let alone a cobbler.
DTBear
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Our players look like they are in very good shape but they just don't seem strong enough. Our OL generally does not move anyone. Our DL generally does a poor job of holding the point of attack. Our LBs and DBs get pushed around or run through too often. We never look gassed though.

I just don't know how you make wholesale changes and don't either change the leadership in that program or update the philosophy in how these guys lift. At least at the OL, DL, TE and LB positions.
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DTBear said:

Our players look like they are in very good shape but they just don't seem strong enough. Our OL generally does not move anyone. Our DL generally does a poor job of holding the point of attack. Our LBs and DBs get pushed around or run through too often. We never look gassed though.

I just don't know how you make wholesale changes and don't either change the leadership in that program or update the philosophy in how these guys lift. At least at the OL, DL, TE and LB positions.


I agree with those points… but part of it feels kind of chicken and egg. Is the issue our strength and conditioning program… or are these physical plateau limitations of players we are recruiting.
DTBear
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You just see too many FCS teams that have stronger looking OL DL than Baylor for the genetic component to be the reason. Not saying better players but stronger players. ACU, Tarleton are in our backyard and have stronger looking lines and better success at their levels for that matter
Dia del DougO
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Is Bob Fix still available?
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CaliBear00
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Nope. No Briles folks on this staff, never again.
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DTBear said:

You just see too many FCS teams that have stronger looking OL DL than Baylor for the genetic component to be the reason. Not saying better players but stronger players. ACU, Tarleton are in our backyard and have stronger looking lines and better success at their levels for that matter

I'm curious, which FCS rosters look stronger than us.
DTBear
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ACU. Not more talent but stronger looking players

Watch ACU vs Tech full game 2024
ACU vs UNT full game 2023

Mitch Blood Green
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Thee University said:

montypython said:

I think a lot of people associate Kaz with the successful portion of the Briles era and just intermingle the two as part of the success, but I never looked at it that way.

Our defense was routinely trucked by just about every offense with a pulse. Couldn't get off the field, rarely got a 3rd down stop. No pressure on opposing QBs..ever..It was like that before, during and after Kaz was here.

The only time that changed in recent memory is when Rhule and Snow were on the sidelines and our defense mauled teams in the B12 on the regular.

Also - Whatever people think of Kaz just remember - TCU got obliterated vs Georgia a few years ago in the CFP and Kaz was the S&C coach at the time...

Monty is 100% correct. I realize all of the Madden experts on here don't want to hear it but there really is major truth that football players can "look like Tarzan & play like Jane". In my 4 years of Baylor and 4 years of earning a paycheck in two different professional leagues I saw it over and over again.

This Kaz guy understood how to play the strength & conditioning game. He dressed the part, talked the part and looked the part. He was probably a good S&C coach. Still is. By the time a kid has been in a program for a year or two you know if the kid can play football and make a difference. In today's high school and college programs a kid has very little upside left in S&C due to excellent habits formed by high school coaching, off season parental hires to train their little kids to be an NFL superstar and just plain desire.

I've seen hundreds of kids who had all of the physical tools but very few of the mental tools or heart.

I'm sure Kaz is a great guy and has a super program. He and any other S&C coach have to have 100% buy-in by the players before you see true differences.

All too often self-marketing or a moment caught on video can fluff up an average run of the mill coach. Kind of like what happened after the TCU post game taunting Baylor received back when RG3 was walking up the concourse. TCU spanked us 45-10 and Kaz "spoke up" for RG3 and other players who were being verbally berated by Toad fans. The return volley Kaz delivered helped elevate his persona a few notches.

if you've never been around or been involved at high levels of competition I fully understand how you can be misled or make a decision that might be rash.




I thought he was good because he was good. Before him, we were experimenting with "pickle juice" and pulling 18 wheelers because guys weren't conditioned.

In the stops I've seen him at, the teams won conference championships (all 3) and one played for a national championship.

I did t see guys coming off the field due to cramping. His job was to keep them on the field. The coaches job is to put them in position.

And it's nice he's not fat like Williams. Can't sell when you look like ReRun.
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CaliBear00 said:

Nope. No Briles folks on this staff, never again.


All the more reason Kaz should be here again. His record of success and to make you cry.
montypython
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Thee University said:

montypython said:

I think a lot of people associate Kaz with the successful portion of the Briles era and just intermingle the two as part of the success, but I never looked at it that way.

Our defense was routinely trucked by just about every offense with a pulse. Couldn't get off the field, rarely got a 3rd down stop. No pressure on opposing QBs..ever..It was like that before, during and after Kaz was here.

The only time that changed in recent memory is when Rhule and Snow were on the sidelines and our defense mauled teams in the B12 on the regular.

Also - Whatever people think of Kaz just remember - TCU got obliterated vs Georgia a few years ago in the CFP and Kaz was the S&C coach at the time...

there really is major truth that football players can "look like Tarzan & play like Jane". In my 4 years of Baylor and 4 years of earning a paycheck in two different professional leagues I saw it over and over again.

This Kaz guy understood how to play the strength & conditioning game. He dressed the part, talked the part and looked the part. He was probably a good S&C coach. Still is. By the time a kid has been in a program for a year or two you know if the kid can play football and make a difference. In today's high school and college programs a kid has very little upside left in S&C due to excellent habits formed by high school coaching,



I believe that 100%. Perhaps decades ago, some high schools didn't have strength programs, or at least not ones that were doing anything positive and if a kid got to a college with a 'real' program, he was likely going to see some increased benefit from it.

As you mentioned, there's the "look" and then there are results.

I've certainly seen players over the years that look the part, but as you said, they play like Jane. The other thing is - other schools have S&C programs too. So the ability to separate yourself from others is going to be razor thin at best. At the end, I think it comes down to the players natural ability and their heart.
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montypython said:

Thee University said:

montypython said:

I think a lot of people associate Kaz with the successful portion of the Briles era and just intermingle the two as part of the success, but I never looked at it that way.

Our defense was routinely trucked by just about every offense with a pulse. Couldn't get off the field, rarely got a 3rd down stop. No pressure on opposing QBs..ever..It was like that before, during and after Kaz was here.

The only time that changed in recent memory is when Rhule and Snow were on the sidelines and our defense mauled teams in the B12 on the regular.

Also - Whatever people think of Kaz just remember - TCU got obliterated vs Georgia a few years ago in the CFP and Kaz was the S&C coach at the time...

there really is major truth that football players can "look like Tarzan & play like Jane". In my 4 years of Baylor and 4 years of earning a paycheck in two different professional leagues I saw it over and over again.

This Kaz guy understood how to play the strength & conditioning game. He dressed the part, talked the part and looked the part. He was probably a good S&C coach. Still is. By the time a kid has been in a program for a year or two you know if the kid can play football and make a difference. In today's high school and college programs a kid has very little upside left in S&C due to excellent habits formed by high school coaching,



I believe that 100%. Perhaps decades ago, some high schools didn't have strength programs, or at least not ones that were doing anything positive and if a kid got to a college with a 'real' program, he was likely going to see some increased benefit from it.

As you mentioned, there's the "look" and then there are results.

I've certainly seen players over the years that look the part, but as you said, they play like Jane. The other thing is - other schools have S&C programs too. So the ability to separate yourself from others is going to be razor thin at best. At the end, I think it comes down to the players natural ability and their heart.

Body Types are a thing. Some guys with a lot of body fat/thiccness are still crazy strong and/or crazy agile...cf BeastMode, The Bus, Jared Lorenzen (RIP) etc.
montypython
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canoso said:

montypython said:

I think a lot of people associate Kaz with the successful portion of the Briles era and just intermingle the two as part of the success, but I never looked at it that way.For starters, I think its almost impossible to accurately measure one strength coach vs another when looking at on the field results. Is it the program, or the players you have? I would always point to the latter.

For example, our defense during the Briles era was routinely trucked by just about every offense with a pulse. Couldn't get off the field, rarely got a 3rd down stop. No pressure on opposing QBs..ever..It was like that before, during and after Kaz was here. So if I look at things from that viewpoint, he was no better than any other S&C coach.

The only time that changed in recent memory is when Rhule and Snow were on the sidelines and our defense mauled teams in the B12 on the regular. Our offenses didn't push anyone around during Rhules tenure. So that makes me think it really just comes down to individual players and there is no science that points us to exactly who is going to turn out to be a great player. If it was easily determined, someone would have come up with a formula by now.

Also - Whatever people think of Kaz just remember - TCU got obliterated vs Georgia a few years ago in the CFP and Kaz was the S&C coach at the time...

Nice try, but that isn't enough cherries to make even a tart, let alone a cobbler.

I expect dissenting opinions, especially when I critique something from the Briles era.

The facts don't lie though. TCU was obliterated 65-7. Does Kaz not shoulder some blame for that?

So either S&C doesn't offer an advantage over other teams because every team has them, or the blowout was due to a massive disparity in talent. Neither scenario supports the notion that Kaz is special.
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BUGWBBear said:

CaliBear00 said:

Nope. No Briles folks on this staff, never again.


All the more reason Kaz should be here again. His record of success and to make you cry.


Says the guy who's cool with rape enablers. That's not the flex that you think it is.
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