Danielsjackson114 said:

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I just hope Linda is getting a notification every time someone goes into the portal

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Outside of a "who's he?" response, she's probably watching "Housewives of Stillwater".

Everything is pointing to Baylor not being willing or able to allocate money towards the football program or NIL with a program that clearly has negative momentum.

We're heading back to the Steele days

BigGameBaylorBear said:

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We're heading back to the Steele days

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I'm thinking Beall

What is Joe Klandermann thinking rn?

When will we hear from Dave about roster retention?

DTBear said:

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Everything is pointing to Baylor not being willing or able to allocate money towards the football program or NIL with a program that clearly has negative momentum.

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I think the comments about roster retention were nothing more than trying to deflect away from not having the money to pay off the extension, new staff, and still have money for players. You see politicians doing this type of thing all the time...trying to divert people's attention as to the real purpose of something.

I would have to be shown the figures to ever believe that the real situation was just not having enough money or justifiable money to divert to athletics to essentially throw away to get out from under the contractual requirements.

I also believe that CDA not being here in 2027 is also not a certainty for the same reason.

Like Blackie mentioned... I am not sure he wasn't told that Dave would be able to stay until his contract is up.

Bottom line: churches generally have poor business models and poor managers.

One might think, if ever so briefly, that with a well-regarded B school BU would do better. No doubt it could do better, but here she is. The frustration for supporters who earn their income and manage the same, seems to be the ongoing request, even demand, that we reinforce failure. What is being witnessed is not an aberration but well-established trend, exacerbated by a fear of risk and change.

Institutions like BU and TT are dependent upon maximizing limited or focused alumni and fan support rather than general public "t-shirters". Guys like McLane and Simpson have always been there with occasional huge unexpected gifts. The Campbell guy at Tech is an aberration because he can't keep doing what he has done this year, or at least he won't if he's as intelligent as as I suspect he is.

If Dave was an honorable man he would resign

True Grit said:

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When is Dave going to realize that he is the issue? He is the leader, and no one is following or listening anymore. Real leaders would see that it's time to move on (despite the money still on the table). He is the #1 reason for this sinking ship, and his pride and ego (Linda's too) are in the way because he thinks he can turn it around and fix it. Portal players of any substance will not move to a sinking ship if they can get the same or close to the same money somewhere else. Everyone knows Dave is not the answer except Baylor leadership. Doug's silence is very telling.

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Unfortunately, I am not sure the leadership doesn't know it as well. And if that is so, our financial problems relating to this particular situation are worse than could be imagined and would explain a lot of things. especially why no change was made. You can know something, and know you need to do something about it, but if the money to do it isn't there, you can't do it and just look like a clueless idiot.

But all of this is speculation as we aren't provided such information.

IowaBear said:

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The problem is the long term financial impacts of keeping Dave May FAR outweigh the costs of keeping him. The stadium is going to be empty this fall. And it's solely because BU has put all their chips in on a guy the fanbase has completely given up on

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I don't disagree. But what do you do if you don't have the money....take out a loan or go the way of Utah? The chips were thrown into the pot years ago.

Certainly, Baylor likely has the money somewhere, but taking it from academics or the endowment could have even more dire consequences. But this isn't my field so most is just speculation.

blackie said:

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IowaBear said:

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The problem is the long term financial impacts of keeping Dave May FAR outweigh the costs of keeping him. The stadium is going to be empty this fall. And it's solely because BU has put all their chips in on a guy the fanbase has completely given up on

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I don't disagree. But what do you do if you don't have the money....take out a loan or go the way of Utah? The chips were thrown into the pot years ago.

Certainly, Baylor likely has the money somewhere, but taking it from academics or the endowment could have even more dire consequences. But this isn't my field so most is just speculation.

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We do have the money. What we lack is vision and direction. No one wants to pay for a half-assed solution which is all that the admin has provided for the last 3 years.

BigGameBaylorBear said:

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If Dave was an honorable man he would resign

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If Reverse Cowgirl stopped fondling her nips long enough, she could resign him or let Dickless AD do it, she'd be a step closer to honorable.

BigGameBaylorBear said:

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If Dave was an honorable man he would resign

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This is my line of thinking. If he really is a good guy. He would resign. Or, split his salary, and spend it on NIL

PacificBear said:

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When will we here from Dave about roster retention?

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Appreciate the question

Danielsjackson114 said:

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I mean our whole team is leaving anyways

Why not

We are gonna suck no matter who is the HC so let's get it over with

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We can. We won't. (And honestly? It would be a bad decision).

To be clear, I'm not excited about Aranda.

Smashmouth said:

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PacificBear said:

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When will we here from Dave about roster retention?

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Appreciate the question

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The level of "care factor" is so strong and high... you can see and smell it across the Fudge Football Center.

At this point, I would rather see our OC or DC lead the team. I have 100 faith in Dave leading the team next year, and obviously the donors, fans, media, recruiting class, current roster, and portal players agree with me.

Baylorbears111 said:

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blackie said:

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IowaBear said:

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The problem is the long term financial impacts of keeping Dave May FAR outweigh the costs of keeping him. The stadium is going to be empty this fall. And it's solely because BU has put all their chips in on a guy the fanbase has completely given up on

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I don't disagree. But what do you do if you don't have the money....take out a loan or go the way of Utah? The chips were thrown into the pot years ago.

Certainly, Baylor likely has the money somewhere, but taking it from academics or the endowment could have even more dire consequences. But this isn't my field so most is just speculation.

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We do have the money. What we lack is vision and direction. No one wants to pay for a half-assed solution which is all that the admin has provided for the last 3 years.

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Easy to say....what facts do you have to back up that statement? We are talking athletic funds, not funds to be taken from other areas of the institution or its endowment. Those are not for athletics.

True Grit said:

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When is Dave going to realize that he is the issue? He is the leader, and no one is following or listening anymore. Real leaders would see that it's time to move on (despite the money still on the table). He is the #1 reason for this sinking ship, and his pride and ego (Linda's too) are in the way because he thinks he can turn it around and fix it. Portal players of any substance will not move to a sinking ship if they can get the same or close to the same money somewhere else. Everyone knows Dave is not the answer except Baylor leadership. Doug's silence is very telling.

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Some people are just blind and can't see the real issue…think Jerry Jones who has had the same General Manager for this Century with no trophies to show for it since last century. He is not a Tex Shram or Gil Brandt, and wants to be, but never will be.

If we don't have the money to fire Aranda and hire a new coach with a decent NIL budget then you can't fire Aranda because no one would take the job. Sad truth.

If NIL was not a thing then Aranda would've been fired after 3-9. Without an oil baron or shoe baron funding the football team we decided, like many other schools, to keep a struggling coach who had shown success, and see if he could buy a roster to compete.

Fickell, Norvell, Locksley, etc would all have been fired this year in traditional college ball of just 5-10 years ago. Nowadays you have to budget for NIL as well. Not just a coach and his staff. Many also seem to forget the staff hiring is a major expense. Coordinators, S&C, and some ace recruiter position coaches don't come cheap. Now you also need a GM to scout portal dudes and negotiate NIL. Lot more expenses.

Drayton McLane could probably fund a football team but for how long? What does he get out of it? We're all CFB degenerates but he might be a casual fan that would rather fund a potential new Baylor medical school. Troy Aikman's experience with NIL is probably what many donors feel. It's not a donation to scholarships, it's a donation to a kids bank account that might immediately be spent on a dumb Lamborghini. Plenty don't want to fund that and our donor base perhaps especially.

Only a handful of schools can keep this up. Once some traditional blue bloods drop off a cliff and lose their players to Indiana, Texas Tech, and Duke then the powers that be might head to the drawing board.

boykin_spaniel said:

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If we don't have the money to fire Aranda and hire a new coach with a decent NIL budget then you can't fire Aranda because no one would take the job. Sad truth.

If NIL was not a thing then Aranda would've been fired after 3-9. Without an oil baron or shoe baron funding the football team we decided, like many other schools, to keep a struggling coach who had shown success, and see if he could buy a roster to compete.

Fickell, Norvell, Locksley, etc would all have been fired this year in traditional college ball of just 5-10 years ago. Nowadays you have to budget for NIL as well. Not just a coach and his staff. Many also seem to forget the staff hiring is a major expense. Coordinators, S&C, and some ace recruiter position coaches don't come cheap. Now you also need a GM to scout portal dudes and negotiate NIL. Lot more expenses.

Drayton McLane could probably fund a football team but for how long? What does he get out of it? We're all CFB degenerates but he might be a casual fan that would rather fund a potential new Baylor medical school. Troy Aikman's experience with NIL is probably what many donors feel. It's not a donation to scholarships, it's a donation to a kids bank account that might immediately be spent on a dumb Lamborghini. Plenty don't want to fund that and our donor base perhaps especially.

Only a handful of schools can keep this up. Once some traditional blue bloods drop off a cliff and lose their players to Indiana, Texas Tech, and Duke then the powers that be might head to the drawing board.

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That is how I hopefully see it. Otherwise, college football just needs to separate between those schools that embrace this insanity and those that either can't or won't basically try to match and in doing so, throw the rest of their students, alumni and fans to the curbside in order to promote the careers bank accounts of the "student" athlete. And in doing so abandon why the university existed in the first place.

boykin_spaniel said:

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If we don't have the money to fire Aranda and hire a new coach with a decent NIL budget then you can't fire Aranda because no one would take the job. Sad truth.

If NIL was not a thing then Aranda would've been fired after 3-9. Without an oil baron or shoe baron funding the football team we decided, like many other schools, to keep a struggling coach who had shown success, and see if he could buy a roster to compete.

Fickell, Norvell, Locksley, etc would all have been fired this year in traditional college ball of just 5-10 years ago. Nowadays you have to budget for NIL as well. Not just a coach and his staff. Many also seem to forget the staff hiring is a major expense. Coordinators, S&C, and some ace recruiter position coaches don't come cheap. Now you also need a GM to scout portal dudes and negotiate NIL. Lot more expenses.

Drayton McLane could probably fund a football team but for how long? What does he get out of it? We're all CFB degenerates but he might be a casual fan that would rather fund a potential new Baylor medical school. Troy Aikman's experience with NIL is probably what many donors feel. It's not a donation to scholarships, it's a donation to a kids bank account that might immediately be spent on a dumb Lamborghini. Plenty don't want to fund that and our donor base perhaps especially.

Only a handful of schools can keep this up. Once some traditional blue bloods drop off a cliff and lose their players to Indiana, Texas Tech, and Duke then the powers that be might head to the drawing board.

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Agree, only a handful of schools can keep this up.

It will change, the question we all have is... how soon will it change?

We should have bit the bullet and fired Dave. He's the anchor sinking us. There's no fixing it. A wise fellow once said, "Doing it cheap twice always costs more than doing it right the first time."

Coach Bro is available

Sources: Commanders offensive coordinator Kliff Kingsbury is leaving the organization to pursue other opportunities. Kingsbury and HC Dan Quinn met today, and agreed to mutually part ways. pic.twitter.com/vFMVEaZlg0

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 6, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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Coach Bro is available

Sources: Commanders offensive coordinator Kliff Kingsbury is leaving the organization to pursue other opportunities. Kingsbury and HC Dan Quinn met today, and agreed to mutually part ways. pic.twitter.com/vFMVEaZlg0

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 6, 2026

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I hate to say it, but I'd take him. Great developer of quarterbacks. Pair him with the right defensive staff and he would be decent