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Fre3dombear said:

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Only better but the baylor bor san hedrin committed suicide to try to avoid anyone seeing their sins

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We don't have mark cuban writing $30M checks. And we never did.

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Didnt need em then with art briles breaking college football

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I guess you could say needing 70 points to win is game breaking

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Fre3dombear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Only better but the baylor bor san hedrin committed suicide to try to avoid anyone seeing their sins

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We don't have mark cuban writing $30M checks. And we never did.

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Didnt need em then with art briles breaking college football

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Kind of like when he broke that American Athletic Conference powerhouse UCF. Remember them? We let them put 52 points on us when we were favored by 16. Big 12 got bent over a log!

Or maybe you were thinking about a year later in the Cotton Bowl? Again, an 11-1 team gives up 42 points to a Big 10 pansy@$$. 21 in the 4th Q alone.

Boy howdy we were breaking college football all right.

Oh, one other thing, TCU, our CO-Champ brother from the Big 12, upheld their end of representing the Big 12. They drill Ole Miss 42-3 in the Peach Bowl to finish 12-1.

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As long as we're selectively focusing on failures, why don't you tell us about a couple of the BU teams you played on that lost to Alabama by a combined score of 75-2 and also blew a chance to at least be in the NC picture on New Year's Day by blowing a home game to San Jose State.

I think their all time record is way worse than bu's. But they're a sleeping giant with a huge alumni base.

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Thee University said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Only better but the baylor bor san hedrin committed suicide to try to avoid anyone seeing their sins

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We don't have mark cuban writing $30M checks. And we never did.

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Didnt need em then with art briles breaking college football

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Kind of like when he broke that American Athletic Conference powerhouse UCF. Remember them? We let them put 52 points on us when we were favored by 16. Big 12 got bent over a log!

Or maybe you were thinking about a year later in the Cotton Bowl? Again, an 11-1 team gives up 42 points to a Big 10 pansy@$$. 21 in the 4th Q alone.

Boy howdy we were breaking college football all right.

Oh, one other thing, TCU, our CO-Champ brother from the Big 12, upheld their end of representing the Big 12. They drill Ole Miss 42-3 in the Peach Bowl to finish 12-1.

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As long as we're selectively focusing on failures, why don't you tell us about a couple of the BU teams you played on that lost to Alabama by a combined score of 75-2 and also blew a chance to at least be in the NC picture on New Year's Day by blowing a home game to San Jose State.

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Oh……you are referring to 1979 when we played #1 Alabama in Birmingham. No excuses. However, it was 0-14 at the half, 0-17 at the start of the 4th Q. No starters on D played in the 4th Q. 8 turnovers did not help us either.

Or maybe the next year in the Cotton Bowl when we had 7 turnovers and had to rely on Tommy Tabor's Tackle of the Tide QB in the end zone for a safety and our total of 2 points. We came in to that game averaging over 300 yards per game. We had only 54 yards against the Tide.

We got outplayed and out coached. We were intimidated both years but more so in 1979 in Birmingham.

The SJS game also had some fluke plays go against us and 4 interceptions & 2 fumbles. The coaches also took all starters out when we got up 15-0. The week before lowly TCU had thrown on us 53 times for 408 yards but only scored on us once. SJS only had 261 passing yards on us but that was on 8 completions. We choked. They had us off balance all day.

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I know many of you give Thee a hard time, but his statements above are factual history. Plus, I doubt CAB would have been here long enough for Baylor to be Indiana today. Were Briles committed to Baylor he would have shut down all the UT talk well before we arrived in Tempe for that game against UCF. I was out there. Few were talking about the game. All the talk was about how to keep Briles from leaving. And the team's performance mirrored the distraction. He didn't go then, supposedly because he wouldn't lower himself in his mind for a UT interview, but I think you are dreaming to believe he would have stayed at Baylor another 10 years.

Regardless the landscape has changed. Even with Briles here, would Baylor have been able to keep the players we had with the likes of the money being thrown around today.

It is pointless to bring up these kinds of threads. People are beating a dead horse. We all know the story. Woulda, coulda, shoulda doens't matter now and continuing to bring it up just plants negativity concerning Baylor with people that may not even know the history. And regardless of who is coaching this team in 2026, 2027 or 2028 if the money isn't there to buy players it isn't going to matter.

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Baylor had a couple of crushing bowl losses, but our program was still on an a significant upward trajectory. We were dominating the Big 12 and recruiting better than ever when Baylor sacrificed its football program.

It's hard to say how Baylor would have performed under Briles in the NIL age, but he was without question a coach on par with Cignetti … getting the most out of his talent.

Its pretty useless to play what if, but I still wish Baylor would own up to its mistakes.

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I think Blackie makes an excellent point.

Had we continued to have success, Briles might not have been around for the long haul.

I think our fanbase has been spoiled into thinking that every coach is going to pull a Scott Drew and stay at the same school forever.

And even Drew was reportedly entertaining Kentucky's offer when they came sniffing around.

The UT talk was definitely a distraction leading up to the Fiesta Bowl.

And if UT was looking into Briles, then I'm sure other programs would have come after him as well, and been willing to write very big checks for his services.

And this includes the NFL.

One needs to look no further than Matt Rhule, who was picked up by a pro team and didn't have near the success as Briles.

At the end of the day, money talks - especially in this day and age.

Now whether Briles could have parlayed that success into a National Championship in the short time he would have remained here at Baylor, we'll never know.

But the chances of Briles sticking around long enough to have a statue like Teaff were slim, imo.

With all the drama going on within the program at that time, he might have pulled a Harbaugh and got out while the gettin' was good - if he'd been able to.

Yep .

Briles would have definitely left for Austin.. or Dallas for the Cowboys job.

Who knows... Maybe Tech too.

Lotta pure speculation happening in this thread about how long CAB would've stayed had the BOI not nuked him and his program. I also realize what would've subsequently happened to the program is also speculation, but the facts are for the first and to date only time in our football history we had put together successive years of being an established national player that included back to back B12 titles and what would've been a 3rd straight title (and likely CAB's best team of all) had Seth Russell and every other QB on the roster not gone down. It's also a fact that CAB turned down UT. I'm aware of the UT birthed story that he would've left had UT just cut to the chase and made him an offer - but that too, at best, is speculation. Also as has been pointed out the program was clearly trending north as well.

We were, again, for to date the only time in our football history more than an on balance .500 program that has occasional years that are significantly more successful and sometimes even result in a championship - only to immediately fall back into mediocrity or worse. And there was no reason to think that at least the immediate future wasn't going to be as good and probably better.

Those were the facts when the foolish decision to end it all was made and that's not speculation.

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I think their all time record is way worse than bu's. But they're a sleeping giant with a huge alumni base.

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Yea BU looks like Alabama compared to IU's historic record (no conference title since 1967)

But they really are a sleeping giant

Massive alumni base, good academics, decent size state pop. (7 million), lots of successful alumni, Bloomington a great college town and only 40 mins from Indianapolis.

Like Baylor they were down for so long they thought they never had a shot to get out of the basement of the Big 10

Now they have their own Briles and the Indiana fanbase has come alive.

They could be good for a long time with Cignetti and the money-fans-numbers of Indiana

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Chuckroast said:

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blackie said:

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I know many of you give Thee a hard time, but his statements above are factual history. Plus, I doubt CAB would have been here long enough for Baylor to be Indiana today. Were Briles committed to Baylor he would have shut down all the UT talk well before we arrived in Tempe for that game against UCF. I was out there. Few were talking about the game. All the talk was about how to keep Briles from leaving. And the team's performance mirrored the distraction. He didn't go then, supposedly because he wouldn't lower himself in his mind for a UT interview, but I think you are dreaming to believe he would have stayed at Baylor another 10 years.

Regardless the landscape has changed. Even with Briles here, would Baylor have been able to keep the players we had with the likes of the money being thrown around today.

It is pointless to bring up these kinds of threads. People are beating a dead horse. We all know the story. Woulda, coulda, shoulda doens't matter now and continuing to bring it up just plants negativity concerning Baylor with people that may not even know the history. And regardless of who is coaching this team in 2026, 2027 or 2028 if the money isn't there to buy players it isn't going to matter.

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Baylor had a couple of crushing bowl losses, but our program was still on an a significant upward trajectory. We were dominating the Big 12 and recruiting better than ever when Baylor sacrificed its football program.

It's hard to say how Baylor would have performed under Briles in the NIL age, but he was without question a coach on par with Cignetti … getting the most out of his talent.

Its pretty useless to play what if, but I still wish Baylor would own up to its mistakes.

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I think Blackie makes an excellent point.

Had we continued to have success, Briles might not have been around for the long haul.

I think our fanbase has been spoiled into thinking that every coach is going to pull a Scott Drew and stay at the same school forever.

And even Drew was reportedly entertaining Kentucky's offer when they came sniffing around.

The UT talk was definitely a distraction leading up to the Fiesta Bowl.

And if UT was looking into Briles, then I'm sure other programs would have come after him as well, and been willing to write very big checks for his services.

And this includes the NFL.

One needs to look no further than Matt Rhule, who was picked up by a pro team and didn't have near the success as Briles.

At the end of the day, money talks - especially in this day and age.

Now whether Briles could have parlayed that success into a National Championship in the short time he would have remained here at Baylor, we'll never know.

But the chances of Briles sticking around long enough to have a statue like Teaff were slim, imo.

With all the drama going on within the program at that time, he might have pulled a Harbaugh and got out while the gettin' was good - if he'd been able to.

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But turning down Texas (which I'm sure was hard for him to do) was history at that point. All indications were that he was happy at Baylor. Not sure what other school would have interested him as much as Texas.

Thee University said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Only better but the baylor bor san hedrin committed suicide to try to avoid anyone seeing their sins

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We don't have mark cuban writing $30M checks. And we never did.

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Didnt need em then with art briles breaking college football

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Kind of like when he broke that American Athletic Conference powerhouse UCF. Remember them? We let them put 52 points on us when we were favored by 16. Big 12 got bent over a log!

Or maybe you were thinking about a year later in the Cotton Bowl? Again, an 11-1 team gives up 42 points to a Big 10 pansy@$$. 21 in the 4th Q alone.

Boy howdy we were breaking college football all right.

Oh, one other thing, TCU, our CO-Champ brother from the Big 12, upheld their end of representing the Big 12. They drill Ole Miss 42-3 in the Peach Bowl to finish 12-1.

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OkiDOAKie...Stuff" happens. Like Oregon (NIKE $$$$$$$$$$, 4*-5* players, 50 ensembles of uniforms). OR had 56 hung on them. AL vs behlur 30-2. "Stuff" happens when, seriously, you don't expect it regardless of the matchup. It's f'n college football.

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Fre3dombear said:

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Only better but the baylor bor san hedrin committed suicide to try to avoid anyone seeing their sins

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We don't have mark cuban writing $30M checks. And we never did.

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We had Dayton McLane at the time and that was plenty.

I am and always have been convinced that the best was yet to come with CAB at the helm before everything got needlessly blown up.

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Inarguable. Look at his final defensive recruiting class before it got dynamited because we weren't "an institution of football."

There isn't a university in this country that's more respected academically than Indiana.

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I think their all time record is way worse than bu's. But they're a sleeping giant with a huge alumni base.

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IIRC Indiana is second worst all time among P4 schools, ahead of only Wake Forest. Northwestern and Kansas St used to be worse, but they have passed IU over the last 30-35 years.

And will all those alumni, their stadium holds only 53-55K (although it may have increased when they built an endzone facility a few years ago). It really wasn't much more than a glorified Floyd Casey before that.

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LTBear19 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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blackie said:

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I know many of you give Thee a hard time, but his statements above are factual history. Plus, I doubt CAB would have been here long enough for Baylor to be Indiana today. Were Briles committed to Baylor he would have shut down all the UT talk well before we arrived in Tempe for that game against UCF. I was out there. Few were talking about the game. All the talk was about how to keep Briles from leaving. And the team's performance mirrored the distraction. He didn't go then, supposedly because he wouldn't lower himself in his mind for a UT interview, but I think you are dreaming to believe he would have stayed at Baylor another 10 years.

Regardless the landscape has changed. Even with Briles here, would Baylor have been able to keep the players we had with the likes of the money being thrown around today.

It is pointless to bring up these kinds of threads. People are beating a dead horse. We all know the story. Woulda, coulda, shoulda doens't matter now and continuing to bring it up just plants negativity concerning Baylor with people that may not even know the history. And regardless of who is coaching this team in 2026, 2027 or 2028 if the money isn't there to buy players it isn't going to matter.

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Baylor had a couple of crushing bowl losses, but our program was still on an a significant upward trajectory. We were dominating the Big 12 and recruiting better than ever when Baylor sacrificed its football program.

It's hard to say how Baylor would have performed under Briles in the NIL age, but he was without question a coach on par with Cignetti … getting the most out of his talent.

Its pretty useless to play what if, but I still wish Baylor would own up to its mistakes.

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I think Blackie makes an excellent point.

Had we continued to have success, Briles might not have been around for the long haul.

I think our fanbase has been spoiled into thinking that every coach is going to pull a Scott Drew and stay at the same school forever.

And even Drew was reportedly entertaining Kentucky's offer when they came sniffing around.

The UT talk was definitely a distraction leading up to the Fiesta Bowl.

And if UT was looking into Briles, then I'm sure other programs would have come after him as well, and been willing to write very big checks for his services.

And this includes the NFL.

One needs to look no further than Matt Rhule, who was picked up by a pro team and didn't have near the success as Briles.

At the end of the day, money talks - especially in this day and age.

Now whether Briles could have parlayed that success into a National Championship in the short time he would have remained here at Baylor, we'll never know.

But the chances of Briles sticking around long enough to have a statue like Teaff were slim, imo.

With all the drama going on within the program at that time, he might have pulled a Harbaugh and got out while the gettin' was good - if he'd been able to.

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But turning down Texas (which I'm sure was hard for him to do) was history at that point. All indications were that he was happy at Baylor. Not sure what other school would have interested him as much as Texas.

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no coincidence that all the allegations broke only after Briles turned Texas down.

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Chuckroast said:

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LTBear19 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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blackie said:

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I know many of you give Thee a hard time, but his statements above are factual history. Plus, I doubt CAB would have been here long enough for Baylor to be Indiana today. Were Briles committed to Baylor he would have shut down all the UT talk well before we arrived in Tempe for that game against UCF. I was out there. Few were talking about the game. All the talk was about how to keep Briles from leaving. And the team's performance mirrored the distraction. He didn't go then, supposedly because he wouldn't lower himself in his mind for a UT interview, but I think you are dreaming to believe he would have stayed at Baylor another 10 years.

Regardless the landscape has changed. Even with Briles here, would Baylor have been able to keep the players we had with the likes of the money being thrown around today.

It is pointless to bring up these kinds of threads. People are beating a dead horse. We all know the story. Woulda, coulda, shoulda doens't matter now and continuing to bring it up just plants negativity concerning Baylor with people that may not even know the history. And regardless of who is coaching this team in 2026, 2027 or 2028 if the money isn't there to buy players it isn't going to matter.

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Baylor had a couple of crushing bowl losses, but our program was still on an a significant upward trajectory. We were dominating the Big 12 and recruiting better than ever when Baylor sacrificed its football program.

It's hard to say how Baylor would have performed under Briles in the NIL age, but he was without question a coach on par with Cignetti … getting the most out of his talent.

Its pretty useless to play what if, but I still wish Baylor would own up to its mistakes.

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I think Blackie makes an excellent point.

Had we continued to have success, Briles might not have been around for the long haul.

I think our fanbase has been spoiled into thinking that every coach is going to pull a Scott Drew and stay at the same school forever.

And even Drew was reportedly entertaining Kentucky's offer when they came sniffing around.

The UT talk was definitely a distraction leading up to the Fiesta Bowl.

And if UT was looking into Briles, then I'm sure other programs would have come after him as well, and been willing to write very big checks for his services.

And this includes the NFL.

One needs to look no further than Matt Rhule, who was picked up by a pro team and didn't have near the success as Briles.

At the end of the day, money talks - especially in this day and age.

Now whether Briles could have parlayed that success into a National Championship in the short time he would have remained here at Baylor, we'll never know.

But the chances of Briles sticking around long enough to have a statue like Teaff were slim, imo.

With all the drama going on within the program at that time, he might have pulled a Harbaugh and got out while the gettin' was good - if he'd been able to.

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But turning down Texas (which I'm sure was hard for him to do) was history at that point. All indications were that he was happy at Baylor. Not sure what other school would have interested him as much as Texas.

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no coincidence that all the allegations broke only after Briles turned Texas down.

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Hell hath no fury........

Art was very good and would have contended for titles. Not close to Cignetti. Smarter, even better eye for talent, more structured and disciplined. This years Indiana team is one of the best coached Cfb I've ever seen.

Cignetti is generational.

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Art was very good and would have contended for titles. Not close to Cignetti. Smarter, even better eye for talent, more structured and disciplined. This years Indiana team is one of the best coached Cfb I've ever seen.

Cignetti is generational.

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Can't argue with you. Maybe the best thing BU athletics can do is ID another successful coach from Saban's tree, whatever level he's currently at, and get him to BU asap.

LTBear19 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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blackie said:

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I know many of you give Thee a hard time, but his statements above are factual history. Plus, I doubt CAB would have been here long enough for Baylor to be Indiana today. Were Briles committed to Baylor he would have shut down all the UT talk well before we arrived in Tempe for that game against UCF. I was out there. Few were talking about the game. All the talk was about how to keep Briles from leaving. And the team's performance mirrored the distraction. He didn't go then, supposedly because he wouldn't lower himself in his mind for a UT interview, but I think you are dreaming to believe he would have stayed at Baylor another 10 years.

Regardless the landscape has changed. Even with Briles here, would Baylor have been able to keep the players we had with the likes of the money being thrown around today.

It is pointless to bring up these kinds of threads. People are beating a dead horse. We all know the story. Woulda, coulda, shoulda doens't matter now and continuing to bring it up just plants negativity concerning Baylor with people that may not even know the history. And regardless of who is coaching this team in 2026, 2027 or 2028 if the money isn't there to buy players it isn't going to matter.

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Baylor had a couple of crushing bowl losses, but our program was still on an a significant upward trajectory. We were dominating the Big 12 and recruiting better than ever when Baylor sacrificed its football program.

It's hard to say how Baylor would have performed under Briles in the NIL age, but he was without question a coach on par with Cignetti … getting the most out of his talent.

Its pretty useless to play what if, but I still wish Baylor would own up to its mistakes.

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I think Blackie makes an excellent point.

Had we continued to have success, Briles might not have been around for the long haul.

I think our fanbase has been spoiled into thinking that every coach is going to pull a Scott Drew and stay at the same school forever.

And even Drew was reportedly entertaining Kentucky's offer when they came sniffing around.

The UT talk was definitely a distraction leading up to the Fiesta Bowl.

And if UT was looking into Briles, then I'm sure other programs would have come after him as well, and been willing to write very big checks for his services.

And this includes the NFL.

One needs to look no further than Matt Rhule, who was picked up by a pro team and didn't have near the success as Briles.

At the end of the day, money talks - especially in this day and age.

Now whether Briles could have parlayed that success into a National Championship in the short time he would have remained here at Baylor, we'll never know.

But the chances of Briles sticking around long enough to have a statue like Teaff were slim, imo.

With all the drama going on within the program at that time, he might have pulled a Harbaugh and got out while the gettin' was good - if he'd been able to.

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Briles was in Waco for a HOF event not too long ago and was asked that question about the UT job. He said... (paraphrasing) "Yes, I probably would have taken the job if offered. Because we lost the UCF game as we did I took responsibility and felt I would be letting the kids down so I didn't leave."

It takes nothing more than logic to know Baylor is NEVER a long-term commitment or destination job. Teaff was an anomaly and an average record to boot.

All I know is when CAB was the coach I could wake up each morning feeling proud and confident for the ONLY time of my 70+ years as a follower of BU. Confident on game day, etc. Teaff never provided that... never really confident going into most games, "hoping" for a victory.

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IBleedGreenandGold said:

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I think their all time record is way worse than bu's. But they're a sleeping giant with a huge alumni base.

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IIRC Indiana is second worst all time among P4 schools, ahead of only Wake Forest. Northwestern and Kansas St used to be worse, but they have passed IU over the last 30-35 years.

And will all those alumni, their stadium holds only 53-55K (although it may have increased when they built an endzone facility a few years ago). It really wasn't much more than a glorified Floyd Casey before that.

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That is what makes Cignetti so special

Indiana football was a joke

But give Indiana some time…they are already talking football stadium expansion and the fan base it all in now that they have Cignetti…the school has a lot of upsides and advantages (it's not Kansas State or Wake Forest)

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whitetrash said:

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IBleedGreenandGold said:

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I think their all time record is way worse than bu's. But they're a sleeping giant with a huge alumni base.

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IIRC Indiana is second worst all time among P4 schools, ahead of only Wake Forest. Northwestern and Kansas St used to be worse, but they have passed IU over the last 30-35 years.

And will all those alumni, their stadium holds only 53-55K (although it may have increased when they built an endzone facility a few years ago). It really wasn't much more than a glorified Floyd Casey before that.

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That is what makes Cignetti so special

Indiana football was a joke

But give Indiana some time…they are already talking football stadium expansion and the fan base it all in now that they have Cignetti…the school has a lot of upsides and advantages (it's not Kansas State or Wake Forest)

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Funny, I thought Cignetti's secret sauce was his ability to evaluate players and then develop them to beat "better players". Guess I need to find another excuse.

Chuckroast said:

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LTBear19 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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blackie said:

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I know many of you give Thee a hard time, but his statements above are factual history. Plus, I doubt CAB would have been here long enough for Baylor to be Indiana today. Were Briles committed to Baylor he would have shut down all the UT talk well before we arrived in Tempe for that game against UCF. I was out there. Few were talking about the game. All the talk was about how to keep Briles from leaving. And the team's performance mirrored the distraction. He didn't go then, supposedly because he wouldn't lower himself in his mind for a UT interview, but I think you are dreaming to believe he would have stayed at Baylor another 10 years.

Regardless the landscape has changed. Even with Briles here, would Baylor have been able to keep the players we had with the likes of the money being thrown around today.

It is pointless to bring up these kinds of threads. People are beating a dead horse. We all know the story. Woulda, coulda, shoulda doens't matter now and continuing to bring it up just plants negativity concerning Baylor with people that may not even know the history. And regardless of who is coaching this team in 2026, 2027 or 2028 if the money isn't there to buy players it isn't going to matter.

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Baylor had a couple of crushing bowl losses, but our program was still on an a significant upward trajectory. We were dominating the Big 12 and recruiting better than ever when Baylor sacrificed its football program.

It's hard to say how Baylor would have performed under Briles in the NIL age, but he was without question a coach on par with Cignetti … getting the most out of his talent.

Its pretty useless to play what if, but I still wish Baylor would own up to its mistakes.

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I think Blackie makes an excellent point.

Had we continued to have success, Briles might not have been around for the long haul.

I think our fanbase has been spoiled into thinking that every coach is going to pull a Scott Drew and stay at the same school forever.

And even Drew was reportedly entertaining Kentucky's offer when they came sniffing around.

The UT talk was definitely a distraction leading up to the Fiesta Bowl.

And if UT was looking into Briles, then I'm sure other programs would have come after him as well, and been willing to write very big checks for his services.

And this includes the NFL.

One needs to look no further than Matt Rhule, who was picked up by a pro team and didn't have near the success as Briles.

At the end of the day, money talks - especially in this day and age.

Now whether Briles could have parlayed that success into a National Championship in the short time he would have remained here at Baylor, we'll never know.

But the chances of Briles sticking around long enough to have a statue like Teaff were slim, imo.

With all the drama going on within the program at that time, he might have pulled a Harbaugh and got out while the gettin' was good - if he'd been able to.

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But turning down Texas (which I'm sure was hard for him to do) was history at that point. All indications were that he was happy at Baylor. Not sure what other school would have interested him as much as Texas.

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If no scandal had happened, Texas would have come right back to him a few years after their next coaching stumble. And they wouldn't have interviewed. They would have offered. And he would have taken it. Or A&M would have come calling. He wouldn't have stayed at Baylor for the long haul.

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Chuckroast said:

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LTBear19 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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blackie said:

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I know many of you give Thee a hard time, but his statements above are factual history. Plus, I doubt CAB would have been here long enough for Baylor to be Indiana today. Were Briles committed to Baylor he would have shut down all the UT talk well before we arrived in Tempe for that game against UCF. I was out there. Few were talking about the game. All the talk was about how to keep Briles from leaving. And the team's performance mirrored the distraction. He didn't go then, supposedly because he wouldn't lower himself in his mind for a UT interview, but I think you are dreaming to believe he would have stayed at Baylor another 10 years.

Regardless the landscape has changed. Even with Briles here, would Baylor have been able to keep the players we had with the likes of the money being thrown around today.

It is pointless to bring up these kinds of threads. People are beating a dead horse. We all know the story. Woulda, coulda, shoulda doens't matter now and continuing to bring it up just plants negativity concerning Baylor with people that may not even know the history. And regardless of who is coaching this team in 2026, 2027 or 2028 if the money isn't there to buy players it isn't going to matter.

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Baylor had a couple of crushing bowl losses, but our program was still on an a significant upward trajectory. We were dominating the Big 12 and recruiting better than ever when Baylor sacrificed its football program.

It's hard to say how Baylor would have performed under Briles in the NIL age, but he was without question a coach on par with Cignetti … getting the most out of his talent.

Its pretty useless to play what if, but I still wish Baylor would own up to its mistakes.

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I think Blackie makes an excellent point.

Had we continued to have success, Briles might not have been around for the long haul.

I think our fanbase has been spoiled into thinking that every coach is going to pull a Scott Drew and stay at the same school forever.

And even Drew was reportedly entertaining Kentucky's offer when they came sniffing around.

The UT talk was definitely a distraction leading up to the Fiesta Bowl.

And if UT was looking into Briles, then I'm sure other programs would have come after him as well, and been willing to write very big checks for his services.

And this includes the NFL.

One needs to look no further than Matt Rhule, who was picked up by a pro team and didn't have near the success as Briles.

At the end of the day, money talks - especially in this day and age.

Now whether Briles could have parlayed that success into a National Championship in the short time he would have remained here at Baylor, we'll never know.

But the chances of Briles sticking around long enough to have a statue like Teaff were slim, imo.

With all the drama going on within the program at that time, he might have pulled a Harbaugh and got out while the gettin' was good - if he'd been able to.

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But turning down Texas (which I'm sure was hard for him to do) was history at that point. All indications were that he was happy at Baylor. Not sure what other school would have interested him as much as Texas.

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If no scandal had happened, Texas would have come right back to him a few years after their next coaching stumble. And they wouldn't have interviewed. They would have offered. And he would have taken it. Or A&M would have come calling. He wouldn't have stayed at Baylor for the long haul.

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I think you are right about that with ut-Austin

I don't think he would have left Baylor for a&m

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Art was very good and would have contended for titles. Not close to Cignetti. Smarter, even better eye for talent, more structured and disciplined. This years Indiana team is one of the best coached Cfb I've ever seen.

Cignetti is generational.

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Can't argue with you. Maybe the best thing BU athletics can do is ID another successful coach from Saban's tree, whatever level he's currently at, and get him to BU asap.

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Funny thing is he seems to have been an afterthought to Saban. Sometimes guys are in the shadows and have "it" but just need their opportunity. You can't always predict it but they just rise to the occasion when given the spotlight.

There was a guy with similar trajectory that would have come to BU if we wanted him in 2023. Fritz has a track record that looks like Cignetti (before Indiana). Won everywhere, pigeonholed to the lower ranks of CFB.

Nowhere close to the talent of Cignetti, but still a proven guy through multiple lower level programs. Same architype. Teams play with max effort, good eye for undervalued talent, extremely organized.

Older guys that still have some juice are a market inefficiency in college sports hiring. Indiana and Houston have exploited it. You also don't have to overpay those guys and they aren't in crazy demand (until now probably with copycats). The risk is obviously a guy that is winding down that doesn't have that fire anymore, which is why many have historically avoided looking that way.

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Quinton said:

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Art was very good and would have contended for titles. Not close to Cignetti. Smarter, even better eye for talent, more structured and disciplined. This years Indiana team is one of the best coached Cfb I've ever seen.

Cignetti is generational.

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Can't argue with you. Maybe the best thing BU athletics can do is ID another successful coach from Saban's tree, whatever level he's currently at, and get him to BU asap.

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We should do that. Look at all the Coaches from the Saban tree that made it to the playoffs this year. Direct branch only though...not some distant cousin.

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Only better but the baylor bor san hedrin committed suicide to try to avoid anyone seeing their sins

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Living in the past isn't gonna make your future better.

It's been 10? years now since the BOI dumped the program on its ear.

Whats the plan - to bemoan things for another decade?

Maybe pass the moaning down to children and grand children so that it becomes an oral history of sorts?


As far as your assumption of "Only better" - that's a poor assumption at best.

canoso said:

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Quinton said:

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Art was very good and would have contended for titles. Not close to Cignetti. Smarter, even better eye for talent, more structured and disciplined. This years Indiana team is one of the best coached Cfb I've ever seen.

Cignetti is generational.

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Can't argue with you. Maybe the best thing BU athletics can do is ID another successful coach from Saban's tree, whatever level he's currently at, and get him to BU asap.

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Why not just see if Saban wants to get back on the sidelines? One last rebuild.

It is someone ironic. Baylor fans get upset when basketball announcers bring up the Bliss scandal for them not letting it go, but just another opportunity to keep it in the news to spout something bad about Baylor. Likely many people hearing it had never heard it before. But the same Baylor fans have no problem constantly churning up what happened 10 years ago in football so we can interject as much negativity into the program as possible. I suspect some HS recruits are not even aware of it till they read about it on a Baylor message board.

The past isn't going to change. The entire football environment has morphed into something no one even thought about 10 years ago. It may morph again and Indiana becomes the next Michigan, players no longer can just flit from one place to another....or it just gets worse. Things cycle.....that is also not going to change.

Outside of all speculation is that rehashing the past does nothing to provide anything with which to move forward.