FLBear5630 said:
Youre a clown said:
FLBear5630 said:
Youre a clown said:
FLBear5630 said:
BigGameBaylorBear said:
VaeBear said:
I saw this posted on a Baylor sports group on Facebook in regards to firing Aranda....
"I want Dave Aranda to be the coach until he doesn't want the job anymore.
What he teaches those young men is a lot more valuable than W's and L's. They will be better men, citizens, husbands, fathers, employers, and employees because of him.
Winning is fun, sure, but the things I just described are what the world needs.
Okay, everyone can pile on now."
That's gotta be trolling. But if it's not, I think people forget winning coaches can teach all of those same things
Just curious, you guys really believe that BU is getting someone better and that will "win"?
Next curiosity, where do you think BU is in the College Athletic world? Based on BU's history and the current environment you think BU should be winning? To put in perspective.
Aranda is the 50th highest paid coach. And BU is 49th or so in NIL, 8th in B12.
Final question, how has he underperformed with that level of investment.
Are these real questions? They are all kind of self-explanatory, but here goes
Yes, I believe that Baylor can find a better coach than Dave. Dave is not a winner, and if the new coach doesn't work out, hey, we tried. Again, we are talking about replacing a coach that lost to Air Force and Texas State after having weeks/an entire off-season to prepare for both. Another way of saying this is how hard is it to replace a coach that doesn't win games? Not that hard
It's more difficult to answer your second question, because you didn't proofread what you wrote, and it's difficult to understand. No one on here expects Baylor to turn into Georgia. Nobody on here expects Baylor to routinely compete for the big 12 championship every year or heck, most years. I DO expect Baylor to make a bowl game every year and compete for the big 12 championship every three or four years. I DO expect not to get blown out. I DO expect us to not lose to clearly inferior programs as stated above. I also expect a coach at Baylor to be a force multiplier and not simply a CEO that blows through coordinators like hotcakes and hopes and prays that this year's iteration of potential scapegoats works out
I would want to see concrete figures posted for all these assertions that he's 49th of this and 50-whatever that. Baylor does not publish those numbers, and I doubt you are privy to that info, no offense.
I think you're really caught up on this idea that winning is purely a function of money. reality is more nuanced than that. Coaches that punch above their weight by coaching their team to be better than the sum of their individual talent is very much a thing. The Navy coach comes to mind, and's that's just one example. Briles was winning with two and three star guys because of his scheme and coaching. The list could go on and on. Frankly, I think this idea that little old Baylor can't do better than Dave is a coping mechanism
Damn right they are. You get what you invest. BU invests average money and gets average returns. Some would say we out performed our investment with the B12 Championship, Sugar Bowl win. But, that was long ago under a different system.
You believe you can get a "winner" today. A winning coach that wins year in and year out for the 49th highest salary? Investing #40 level NIL? You invest average, you get average. We are very average, in an average to bad location, at a highly religious school... I am sure the next Sabans are lined up...
Ok wow. There's a lot of strawman here. I didn't realize that being in the camp that wants to get rid of Dave somehow means that you are under the impression that your school is going to hire the next Nick Saban.
Unless you're willing to post some sort of reliable source (ie not anESPN article or some supposed premium board insider) for this NIL data, it's worthless for the sake of this argument. The ball is in your court to prove:
1. These NIL numbers you're quoting as fact,
2. The underlying argument that coaching doesn't matter and that winning is merely a function of investment
3. That we couldn't hire a coach that loses lots of games to replace a coach that loses lots of games. If coaching does matter, why wouldn't a new coach bring improvement, and if coaching doesn't matter, why does coaching not matter? How would you explain our program under Art Briles, or programs like Air Force and Texas State that are able to beat bad coaches like Dave Aranda with less talent and resources?
I'll hang up and listen
Look it up yourself if you question. If you dont know those percentages sre in the right ball park you have a lot of learning to do to get in the conversation.
Briles again? That was a decade ago, that system is gone several times over. If you want to talk replacing, you have to understand todays structure. Not pine for a decade ago.
Talent wins. Today talent cost money. You spend cheap, you get cheap. We spend at Alamo Bowl level.
Fix the money before firing and hiring. Yes money wins, always has. There is no super HC that wins with the little engine that could. We are right where we should be based on spending.
Real easy to find...
https://nil-ncaa.com/big12/
So you basically dodged every question I asked, lol
Have any of y'all noticed a trend with the most fanatical Dave Aranda supporters that they tend to be the kind of people that believe anything they read on the Internet? That website you posted literally admits that they do not have the real numbers. Very few if any schools are giving out those figures.
Again, since you are arguing that coaching doesn't really matter, why don't we get rid of Dave and hire a coach that makes 100K/year and then invest all of that extra money into NIL? Based on your own reasoning, you should be all for that. Also, based on your logic, A&M should've won multiple SEC championships under Jimbo. Oh, but they didn't because….wait for it….coaching matters. Whoada thunk?
Until you can actually answer some of these questions (you've answered none so far), the ball is still very much in your court to prove why Aranda deserves to keep his job.
