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Gameday Thread: Baylor vs. Kansas

November 4, 2017
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BAYLOR (0-8) at Kansas (1-7)

Memorial Stadium | 11 a.m. CT | Fox Sports

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Charlie Brewer's first start can signal the future

A quick look around the Big 12, there's precedent for freshmen gunslingers taking the team by storm after that first start. Some like Texas Tech's Davis Webb shoved their competition off campus. Webb received the same treatment from Pat Mahomes a couple years later. Mason Rudolph lost his first start in a trip to Waco but battled enough to show he was the future of Oklahoma State- he's now a Heisman contender.

Closer to home, Baylor's relied on freshmen QBs to take the reigns the past two seasons with Jarrett Stidham and Zach Smith in light of injuries. Now it's Brewer's moment to take over for Smith. He's flashed greatness with performances like the 23-point fourth quarter to nearly down West Virginia. But a stellar outing against Kansas could shake up the system that was already hesitant to name a starter before the season.

If Baylor escapes with a win on Brewer's back, a decision to push Smith back under center would definitely come with pushback. It's a catch-22. Does the true freshman take the job indefinitely and keep Smith sidelined, presumably into next season? Matt Rhule has kept the job an open competition since arriving and that won't change no matter the week, it seems. But it's hard to imagine Smith, one season Brewer's elder, holding a significant role if Brewer continues to shine. It's not like the OSU situation that kept J.W. Walsh as a Wildcat QB with Rudolph starting or Texas' similar situation with Tyrone Swoopes and Jerrod Heard. The future could be shown Saturday.


SIDENOTE STORYLINE

Weak Kansas offensive line sets up Baylor defense for big day

Like Baylor's season, there isn't just one point of weakness with Kansas. But if there's an area to exploit, it's the Jayhawks' inexperience at offensive line.

Kansas starters and backups are virtually entirely underclassmen. Transfer senior Jayson Rhodes and junior Larry Hughes are the only available upperclassmen but are just as inexperienced as their younger counterparts. In total, Kansas has allowed 59 tackles for loss this season, only Baylor has allowed more. Though, Kansas has struggled the most since October allowing a conference-worst 34 TFLs along with nine sacks.

Baylor's defense hasn't achieved the most pressure but will be a perfect time to change that narrative even without leading tackler Clay Johnston. The focus should stay on Ira Lewis whose 7.5 TFLs already ties his mark last season. He'll face Kansas' top blocker, redshirt sophomore center Mesa Ribordy whose teammates have praised as the offense's most important player. He returned from injury last week and proved to be a true test for Kansas State's interior defenders.

But Baylor still has freshman standout James Lynch to send pressure along with Lewis. His two sacks through the last two weeks are tied for the most among Big 12 freshmen. More pressure should come off the edge with Brian Nance and Eric Ogor who's quickly working into a larger role on the strong side. Unless Kansas has found a quick fix, it's the edge defenders that should produce the biggest bruises.

Kansas State's Jayd Kirby forced three fumbles on four tackles for loss, taking advantage of Kansas' weak edge protection last week. That bodes well for Baylor and gives a chance for other rushers like Greg Roberts to shine beyond special teams work (he leads the Big 12 with two blocked kicks).


MATT RHULE QUOTE OF THE WEEK

On finding success in the form of a victory...

“I definitely want them to win. I want them to win for them. I want them to be rewarded for all the effort and progress and everything that they’ve done. But you also have to understand what it takes to win. I know we want it to be easy, and when you’re way more talented than a team, you can do some fun things and win the game. But when you’re here or slightly below the other team, you have to play really well. You can’t have a pick-six and then a fumble and then a penalty and then two penalties and then a missed assignment. You just can’t do that. You can’t be down 7-0 and get a punt return at the 20 and then hit a guy in the back five seconds later. You can do that when you’re way better than the other team, but you can’t do that when you’re even. It’s just trying to get our guys to understand that, in order to win, we can’t beat ourselves. I use the word “process,” and people say it and kids say it. I listen to Matt Campbell talk to his team after beating the number four team and the number three team, and all he did was talk about the process and how they went from 3-9 to a top-15 program because the kids are tough and they believe and they do what’s right. So that’s what our kids are doing. They’re trying it and working through it. They get in the games sometimes and freak out a little bit, but if we can just keep pushing forward, eventually they’ll win, and it’ll be a true victory. They will have earned that victory. They’ve done it right off the field and they’ve done it right on the field. That’s what I want for them.”


PLAYERS TO WATCH

Jim Black
Charlie Brewer

With Zach Smith nursing a sore shoulder, freshman Charlie Brewer will get the first start of his career against Kansas on Saturday morning. Limited with an injury himself, Brewer will need to use his athletic ability to help open up running lanes for the running backs against a Kansas defense that has struggled defending the run the last four weeks, giving up 220 yards per game over the last five games and 16 total touchdowns on the ground.

Jim Black
Blake Lynch

After being called to the defensive side of the ball to start the year when the Bears were thin because of injuries, Blake Lynch will very likely be called back to the offensive side of the ball this week as the Bears are down to three scholarship receivers who are healthy enough to play. Lynch's permanent home is on defense, but he is familiar with the offense enough after playing there in the spring and summer. 

Jim Black
Lenoy Jones Jr.

Sophomore Clay Johnston is out the remainder of the season with a foot injury, leaving a starting position to fellow sophomore Lenoy Jones Jr. Jone, who missed time earlier in the season with an injury of his own, has received plenty of experience in recent weeks as well as last fall. Jones will need to help replace the playmaking ability left behind by Johnston by being steady.

Jim Black
Defensive Line

When Kansas begins to find their way on offense it typically starts the ball rolling. If the Bears want their shot to win the game, the defensive front must not allow the Jayhawks to find a rhythm early and get to the quarterback when needed. The unit has shown flashes on occasion but will need to help an offense that is trying to find its way once again.

 

Discussion from...

Gameday Thread: Baylor vs. Kansas

59,461 Views | 352 Replies | Last: 7 yr ago by Yogi
JusHappy2BeHere
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BellCountyBear said:

We are going to shock 100 people!

corrected for accuracy
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

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BaylorProud77
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GoldenBear007 said:

Wait, ***?? We actually bring the little basketball goal for road games too?!?!?
omg, no
Doc Holliday
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Brewer is twice the QB Smith is.

KajunKarlsdad
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Damned kickers
BaylorProud77
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missed the stinking kick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yogi
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Should've gone for it.
"Smarter than the Average Bear."
Dia del DougO
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Atkinson had 44 career yards receiving in his career before today. He has 25 yards passing today.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
BaylorProud77
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Yogi said:

Should've gone for it.
yes!
Dia del DougO
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Baylor already has nine different receivers with a catch today. Amazing.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
BellCountyBear
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Geez, Martin is usually money.
303Bear
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I retract my derogatory comments about the helmets, clearly a big part of our success toady.
Yogi
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There may be more people at the first Kansas basketball game than there are at this game.
"Smarter than the Average Bear."
Mr. Sippi
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Holy crap! Does anyone talk faster than CMR?!
Baylor grad, 'Bama dad
BaylorProud77
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303Bear said:

I retract my derogatory comments about the helmets, clearly a big part of our success toady.
lol
Yogi
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Ok. I will take one Dallas Stars Baylor ballcap.
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Dia del DougO
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BEAR RAMMAGE said:

Brewer is twice the QB Smith is.


I'd like to see a healthy Zach vs Kansas.

Zach is great when he has protection and open receivers. No so much when he has to buy time and find third and fourth options.

Brewer is a better jailbreak guy, really an ideal type for a backup, and for the shambles that the Baylor O-line is right now.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
JusHappy2BeHere
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does anyone watching this game believe that any male nadmed Briles wouldn't have this team in a Bowl this year?
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

Mahatma Gandhi
LavacaBear
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Zach is a system qb, get rid of it quick, coach make the read guy, with a cannon.

Brewer is a playmaker
timetraveler
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JusHappy2BeHere said:

does anyone watching this game believe that any male nadmed Briles wouldn't have this team in a Bowl this year?
pretty sure Art's wife would be a huge upgrade....actually, I have an idea
BellCountyBear
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I wonder what Art does on saturdays now?
Assassin
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BellCountyBear said:

I wonder what Art does on saturdays now?
Count the millions we gave him?
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Osodecentx
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BellCountyBear said:

I wonder what Art does on saturdays now?
Regrets accepting Baylor job
timetraveler
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Our defense was designed for a team like Kansas

*edit: nevermind
BearKamp
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May only be **** Kansas but sure feels good to actually be winning a game.
Friscobear
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Pretty sure I saw Sauron's eye on the top of that tower.
3ptSpecialist
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great tackle by McVeigh on kickoff followed by piss poor tackling on 1st down.
Yogi
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BellCountyBear said:

I wonder what Art does on saturdays now?
Count his Cash.
"Smarter than the Average Bear."
timetraveler
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this game thread is as pathetic as the Kansas gameday crowd (no offense guys)
BellCountyBear
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timetraveler said:

this game thread is as pathetic as the Kansas gameday crowd (no offense guys)
What do you expect?! It's part of The Process.
timetraveler
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Nice fake hand off there
CSIBear
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there are more people in this game thread than actually at the game.
3ptSpecialist
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Roberts has to make that tackle on the 4th and 1. Smh.
Doc Holliday
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Damn that kicker is pretty good lol
Tommy_Lou_Ramsower
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It's still a two possession ball game! Is 3ptSpecialist Stork?
BaylorOkie
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I love how the Kansas quarterback got mad at his receiver for not coming back to the ball when he threw it in the dirt right at the first down line on third-and-long.
 
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