Mothra said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Briles strength and conditioning program got better results on the field that any program in Baylor history. I know you're a bitter dolt, but those are the facts pervert, which you claim to deal in. Even your little buddy gold mine recognized that it Callahan had done his job we wouldn't be having this conversation. The strength and conditioning was fine and won us tons of games. We can only hope that CMR can come close to that success.

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Correlation is not causation.

Bill Winnington has three NBA Championship rings with the Bulls.

Not trying to put down Kaz, but you need more evidence to call him the straw that stirs the drink - that was Briles. IMO Briles would have had success with any number of S&C guys.

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I agree that Briles could have succeeded anywhere but those around the program k ow how important Kaz was to our success. He wasn't merely along for the ride. It was an integral part of our program.

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Honest question. Is S&C not integral in other successful programs?

Don't get me wrong, he is good at the job, I just don't get the mystical properties some seem to attribute to him.

So, what happened on the defensive side of the ball? Andrew Billings showed up with work class strength, speed and athletism. He shouldn't be attributed towards our S & C program.
Strength coach hype.
Kaz was a good one. However, genes play a big part.

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So, what happened on the defensive side of the ball? Andrew Billings showed up with work class strength, speed and athletism. He shouldn't be attributed towards our S & C program.
Strength coach hype.
Kaz was a good one. However, genes play a big part.

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Billings disappointed at the NFL combine with his bench press reps. Not his fault, because it was a byproduct of the S&C program that Briles preferred, which yielded incredible regular season results so no complaints there.

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Briles strength and conditioning program got better results on the field that any program in Baylor history. I know you're a bitter dolt, but those are the facts pervert, which you claim to deal in. Even your little buddy gold mine recognized that it Callahan had done his job we wouldn't be having this conversation. The strength and conditioning was fine and won us tons of games. We can only hope that CMR can come close to that success.

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Goodness, it continues to amaze me how you really struggle to understand simple concepts presented in a post. Perhaps I'm using too many big words. I'll try to do better.

Kaz was great. Loved him. Briles was great. Loved him, too. They won a lot of regular season games (sorry for using some polysyllabic words). Loved that also. Would their system of preferring conditioning over strength and mass have won at the highest level? We don't know, but indications are it would not because in their two tests, it failed, and one test was against a G5 team.

Will Rhule's system work? We don't know. I hope it does.

I tried to use simple words hoping they will penetrate your simple mind. Hope that helps.

Mystical? Hmm. Can't say I've seen those posts. What I have seen is awards for best S&C coach in the country and players that were some of the most well conditioned in college football. I've heard former players say he was integral to their success.

I think maybe your disdain for all things Briles has got the better of you on this issue.

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Some forget Coach Kaz was the strength coach at South Florida before Baylor, where he helped USF become the #2 ranked team in the county his last year. USF, number 2, nationally.

Kaz left USF for a downtrodden Baylor program, where he helped Baylor reach #1 nationally. Repeating the success from USF at Baylor wasn't luck.

SMU coaches are telling parkies they hired the top college strength coach in the county. I agree with them.

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We've never been ranked number 1. #3 was the highest. Just FYI

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When the Baylor football team takes the field Saturday against West Virginia, it will do so in a way the Bears never have before as the No. 2 team in the nation.
In both major polls released this week (the AP and Coaches Poll), head coach Art Briles' squad is ranked No. 2 the highest ranking in the program's 113-year history. The Bears had previously reached No. 3 in the rankings twice, in 1953 and 2013.
More than 20% of the Associated Press writers who voted in the AP poll put the Bears at No. 1 on their ballots, as Baylor received 13 first-place votes believed to be the most in program history.
What has propelled the Bears to such record heights? Well, there's the offense, of course, which again leads the nation in both points per game and yards per game (after having paced the country in both categories in 2013 and 2014, too). Baylor is the only program to be among the nation's top 10 in both passing (8th) and rushing (2nd) yards per game. Quarterback Seth Russell leads the country in five categories, including passing efficiency and passing touchdowns, while wide receiver Corey Coleman tops the nation in touchdown catches (13 one shy of the Baylor single-season record) and scoring, and ranks 4th in receiving yards per game.

Oct. 13, 2015

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Still not number 1

You didn't answer my question. Is S&C not integral in other successful programs?

It is not a slight to Kaz to think there are other very well qualified S&C people out there. When I say "mystical" I am referring to those who think there is no where to go but down without Kaz - don't believe that at all myself. Don't think SMU is on the verge of new heights.

FWIW - My disdain is for assault of women. You don't have to filled with disdain to think Briles rightfully fired. Rhule replicating Brile's production is appreciably harder than any new S&C coach replacing Kaz's .... not meant to slight anyone, that is just the way it is.

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Forest Bueller said:

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GoldMind said:

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Some forget Coach Kaz was the strength coach at South Florida before Baylor, where he helped USF become the #2 ranked team in the county his last year. USF, number 2, nationally.

Kaz left USF for a downtrodden Baylor program, where he helped Baylor reach #1 nationally. Repeating the success from USF at Baylor wasn't luck.

SMU coaches are telling parkies they hired the top college strength coach in the county. I agree with them.

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We've never been ranked number 1. #3 was the highest. Just FYI

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When the Baylor football team takes the field Saturday against West Virginia, it will do so in a way the Bears never have before as the No. 2 team in the nation.
In both major polls released this week (the AP and Coaches Poll), head coach Art Briles' squad is ranked No. 2 the highest ranking in the program's 113-year history. The Bears had previously reached No. 3 in the rankings twice, in 1953 and 2013.
More than 20% of the Associated Press writers who voted in the AP poll put the Bears at No. 1 on their ballots, as Baylor received 13 first-place votes believed to be the most in program history.
What has propelled the Bears to such record heights? Well, there's the offense, of course, which again leads the nation in both points per game and yards per game (after having paced the country in both categories in 2013 and 2014, too). Baylor is the only program to be among the nation's top 10 in both passing (8th) and rushing (2nd) yards per game. Quarterback Seth Russell leads the country in five categories, including passing efficiency and passing touchdowns, while wide receiver Corey Coleman tops the nation in touchdown catches (13 one shy of the Baylor single-season record) and scoring, and ranks 4th in receiving yards per game.

Oct. 13, 2015

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Still not number 1

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Not #3. Didn't say it was #1 FYI.

You didn't. Dnicknames did.

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As sad as it is to accept, Kaz WAS part of the problem that this program's culture had. Accept it and move one. It's only a S&C coach for Pete's sake...........

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Hyuuupp!

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You didn't. Dnicknames did.

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Point was their best rating was #2, not #3 like you stated.

You seem to be a stickler for details, figured you would want to know they reached #2 in both polls, instead of the #3 mentioned.

Yes, typical classless TCU fan. But watch Kaz.

(and of course, for you TCU trollers on here, these dumbasses like you claim "they harassed us" toward the end. Their mommas must be proud.......)

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To say that Kaz was part of an alleged sexual assault problem at Baylor is crazy.

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Not at all what I said. Just as I suspect that you are not saying the football program was full of rapists....right?

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You didn't. Dnicknames did.

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Point was their best rating was #2, not #3 like you stated.

You seem to be a stickler for details, figured you would want to know they reached #2 in both polls, instead of the #3 mentioned.

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Oh yea **** me.

Still never ranked number 1.

GoldMind said:

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Forest Bueller said:

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GoldMind said:

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You didn't. Dnicknames did.

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Point was their best rating was #2, not #3 like you stated.

You seem to be a stickler for details, figured you would want to know they reached #2 in both polls, instead of the #3 mentioned.

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Oh yea **** me.

Still never ranked number 1.

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Again, never said they reached #1, they reached #2, not #3 like you incorrectly stated.

If you wanted to be the authority, at least get it right next time.

Congrats on your childish comeback.

My mistake - I was thinking of men's basketball when we reached #1.

Football was indeed 'only' #2 nationally with 20% of all 1st place votes. So Kaz only helped take both USF and Baylor to #2....

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18436704/baylor-bears-ranked-no-1-ap-top-25-poll-1st

https://www2.baylor.edu/baylorproud/2015/10/at-no-2-in-the-nation-baylor-football-earns-highest-ranking-ever/

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You didn't answer my question. Is S&C not integral in other successful programs?

It is not a slight to Kaz to think there are other very well qualified S&C people out there. When I say "mystical" I am referring to those who think there is no where to go but down without Kaz - don't believe that at all myself. Don't think SMU is on the verge of new heights.

FWIW - My disdain is for assault of women. You don't have to filled with disdain to think Briles rightfully fired. Rhule replicating Brile's production is appreciably harder than any new S&C coach replacing Kaz's .... not meant to slight anyone, that is just the way it is.

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I'm sorry I'm not sure what your point was. To answer your question, yes I do. Again not l sure of your point or the relevance of your question, but the answer is yes. And some strength and conditioning coaches are better than others, would you agree? Kaz was one of them. You don't hear what former players say about him or receive national S&C coach of the year if you're not very good at what you do.

And again, no one has suggested there aren't other good strength and conditioning coaches out there. You seem to be reading a different thread if that's what your reading. I think what some have suggested is that Kaz's teams never appeared winded or out of shape - like our team did at times last year.

And I think we can all agree that assaulting women is terrible. That doesn't mean every coach on CAB's staff however was a part of that or a rape enabler. Perhaps we disagree on that, but I don't believe in guilt by association.

Wasn't Kaz selected as the #1 S&C coach in the nation one year?

Strength coach hype.
Everyone wants to give out awards these days.
Do they give awards for disloyalty and dishonesty?

#1 was at Arkansas State last year and is at SMU this year. So, those rankings might be off and utter bull**** if common sense is used.

X, I don't think Kaz selected himself , did he?

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X, I don't think Kaz selected himself , did he?

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It's like the national gang cop of the year. How do you measure it?
Beauty pageants are all based on connections and members.
Like above. "Number one" was at Arkansas State last season and SMU this coming season. Let that sink in for those ranking strength coaches.
The guy who had 3-9 Baylor players pulling around 18 wheelers was "ranked" when he was at Texas. The team building exercise proved our team could pull around their buses if broken down.

X, #1 means something. You can't explain that away. Give the man his props.

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Being unprepared, out of shape, and beaten by 3 at home to a team we were supposed to beat by 35 did indeed feel like the Steele years at that time, not only to me, but also to those sitting around me. Indeed, it did.

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Huh. Everyone around me chalked it up to an anomaly and reminded each other that we were coming of a grotesque rape scandal and that it would take a minute to get back.

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Sure that played a part in it. Coaching did as well.

But I was discussing what it felt like, not the reasons we sucked ass.

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Felt like the time my little sister beat me at connect 4. Shook it off, won't happen again.

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I will own absolutely everyone on this board at Connect 4.

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tommie said:

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PervertedLittleTarts said:

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tommie said:

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Can you really blame Rhule though for letting Kaz go when Baylor essentially did nothing but sh*t on the guy and his coworkers?

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Yes. That's an easy one. He hasn't replaced him with better and he doesn't seem to understand August climate in Texas.

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Two questions:

1) How do you know he hasn't replaced him with better?

2) He doesn't understand Texas' August climate? What do you mean by that?

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Our team was gased against Liberty. (And other teams) Reminded me of the Guy Morriss teams that needed "pickle juice".

Briles teams played faster, more plays and more go routes.

Didn't seem gased. That tells me, current S&G coach didn't properly prepare the team for the Texas heat (which means he wasn't better).

Maybe they focused on the strength side of S&C.

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So you think when they were here throughout the entire Texas summer prior to the season, they didn't notice that it was hot? Or could it be that the other teams that were playing primarily 20-23 year olds were pushing around our 18-19 year olds?

Yes, Rhule has made no bones about the fact that the focus of S&C is primarily on strength and mass moreso than conditioning. And during the Cotton Bowl, we got to see firsthand what can happen when facing a bigger, stronger team.

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To the first question, yes. The team wasn't conditioned as usual.

As for MSU. I recall a block in the back and a blocked field goal because the holder moved up one yard. Neither has to do with strength or "toughness". We score the TD on the interception if we do nothing.

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I agree that there's no doubt we those were huge and unnecessary errors, but what you saw that day was a team with superior skill players (Baylor) get manhandled by a team with superior strength and mass. We couldn't run the football on them to save our lives, and so when we got up by three scores, we couldn't burn clock and put the game away because their defense was punching our offense in the mouth, which kept MSU in the game. And on the flip side, their offense was taking advantage of our defense who had worn down and suddenly couldn't stop them.

So I don't know how you missed it, but strength and toughness won the game that day.

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Holy hell that is some serious revisionist history. Milli Vanilli would be proud of this post.

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Is that a fact? Feel free to dispute.

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Timbear said:

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To say that Kaz was part of an alleged sexual assault problem at Baylor is crazy.

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Not at all what I said. Just as I suspect that you are not saying the football program was full of rapists....right?

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So what exactly did you mean when you said "Kaz WAS part of the problem that this program's culture had"?

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PervertedLittleTarts said:

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tommie said:

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PervertedLittleTarts said:

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tommie said:

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tommie said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Can you really blame Rhule though for letting Kaz go when Baylor essentially did nothing but sh*t on the guy and his coworkers?

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Yes. That's an easy one. He hasn't replaced him with better and he doesn't seem to understand August climate in Texas.

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Two questions:

1) How do you know he hasn't replaced him with better?

2) He doesn't understand Texas' August climate? What do you mean by that?

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Our team was gased against Liberty. (And other teams) Reminded me of the Guy Morriss teams that needed "pickle juice".

Briles teams played faster, more plays and more go routes.

Didn't seem gased. That tells me, current S&G coach didn't properly prepare the team for the Texas heat (which means he wasn't better).

Maybe they focused on the strength side of S&C.

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So you think when they were here throughout the entire Texas summer prior to the season, they didn't notice that it was hot? Or could it be that the other teams that were playing primarily 20-23 year olds were pushing around our 18-19 year olds?

Yes, Rhule has made no bones about the fact that the focus of S&C is primarily on strength and mass moreso than conditioning. And during the Cotton Bowl, we got to see firsthand what can happen when facing a bigger, stronger team.

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To the first question, yes. The team wasn't conditioned as usual.

As for MSU. I recall a block in the back and a blocked field goal because the holder moved up one yard. Neither has to do with strength or "toughness". We score the TD on the interception if we do nothing.

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I agree that there's no doubt we those were huge and unnecessary errors, but what you saw that day was a team with superior skill players (Baylor) get manhandled by a team with superior strength and mass. We couldn't run the football on them to save our lives, and so when we got up by three scores, we couldn't burn clock and put the game away because their defense was punching our offense in the mouth, which kept MSU in the game. And on the flip side, their offense was taking advantage of our defense who had worn down and suddenly couldn't stop them.

So I don't know how you missed it, but strength and toughness won the game that day.

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Holy hell that is some serious revisionist history. Milli Vanilli would be proud of this post.

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Is that a fact? Feel free to dispute.

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Baylor did not run the ball that day because MSU overloaded the box (with 8-9 guys) to stop the run. Hence why Bryce Petty set an ALL TIME bowl game record for passing yards that day. Baylor lost because of a series of freak plays that all had to go MSU's way for them to win the game. If just 1 of those plays goes Baylor's way, we would still be celebrating that Cotton Bowl win today. I honestly thought you were trolling with your post (because I didn't think anyone could have actually watched that game and drawn these conclusions) but maybe you were being serious? I really hope not though.

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MSU had 7 in the box the majority of the game. Talk about revisionist history. Strike one. So why weren't we able to run the ball, at all?

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tommie said:

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PervertedLittleTarts said:

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tommie said:

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tommie said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Can you really blame Rhule though for letting Kaz go when Baylor essentially did nothing but sh*t on the guy and his coworkers?

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Yes. That's an easy one. He hasn't replaced him with better and he doesn't seem to understand August climate in Texas.

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Two questions:

1) How do you know he hasn't replaced him with better?

2) He doesn't understand Texas' August climate? What do you mean by that?

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Our team was gased against Liberty. (And other teams) Reminded me of the Guy Morriss teams that needed "pickle juice".

Briles teams played faster, more plays and more go routes.

Didn't seem gased. That tells me, current S&G coach didn't properly prepare the team for the Texas heat (which means he wasn't better).

Maybe they focused on the strength side of S&C.

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So you think when they were here throughout the entire Texas summer prior to the season, they didn't notice that it was hot? Or could it be that the other teams that were playing primarily 20-23 year olds were pushing around our 18-19 year olds?

Yes, Rhule has made no bones about the fact that the focus of S&C is primarily on strength and mass moreso than conditioning. And during the Cotton Bowl, we got to see firsthand what can happen when facing a bigger, stronger team.

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To the first question, yes. The team wasn't conditioned as usual.

As for MSU. I recall a block in the back and a blocked field goal because the holder moved up one yard. Neither has to do with strength or "toughness". We score the TD on the interception if we do nothing.

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I agree that there's no doubt we those were huge and unnecessary errors, but what you saw that day was a team with superior skill players (Baylor) get manhandled by a team with superior strength and mass. We couldn't run the football on them to save our lives, and so when we got up by three scores, we couldn't burn clock and put the game away because their defense was punching our offense in the mouth, which kept MSU in the game. And on the flip side, their offense was taking advantage of our defense who had worn down and suddenly couldn't stop them.

So I don't know how you missed it, but strength and toughness won the game that day.

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Holy hell that is some serious revisionist history. Milli Vanilli would be proud of this post.

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Is that a fact? Feel free to dispute.

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Baylor did not run the ball that day because MSU overloaded the box (with 8-9 guys) to stop the run. Hence why Bryce Petty set an ALL TIME bowl game record for passing yards that day. Baylor lost because of a series of freak plays that all had to go MSU's way for them to win the game. If just 1 of those plays goes Baylor's way, we would still be celebrating that Cotton Bowl win today. I honestly thought you were trolling with your post (because I didn't think anyone could have actually watched that game and drawn these conclusions) but maybe you were being serious? I really hope not though.

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Memo to all football coaches at all levels: Try, throughout every game your team ever plays, taking what the defense isn't giving you.

ColomboLQ said:

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zunooreo said:

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Timbear said:

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To say that Kaz was part of an alleged sexual assault problem at Baylor is crazy.

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Not at all what I said. Just as I suspect that you are not saying the football program was full of rapists....right?

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So what exactly did you mean when you said "Kaz WAS part of the problem that this program's culture had"?

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Kaz WAS part of the problem that this program's culture had.