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Fruhmorgen, Valentin big pieces to Baylor's potential in 2018

January 16, 2018
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If it was Mo Porter's bad ankle, a complex scheme that had yet to fall into place or relying on former tight ends and true freshmen on the left side of the offensive line, the Bears couldn't find a consistent push on opposing defenses in 2017.

In little over a year, Matt Rhule's staff has addressed those OL issues in an abrupt way that gives a positive outlook for his second season, but it wasn't prior to some rough sledding.

It started 18 months ago when Baylor's 2016 class saw itself stripped of potential 2017 starters and contributors Branton Autry, Patrick Hudson and JP Urquidez. Those blank spaces left on the roster occurred all prior to the arrival of Rhule in Waco, but he would personally see plenty additional attrition after his arrival in December of 2017.

The first year head coach saw his roster endure the retirement of starting left tackle Dom Desouza and potential starting center Sean Muir before the Bears even stepped foot on the field for spring drills. He then saw two additional offensive linemen, Josh Pelzel and Tanner Thrift, exit the program for medical concerns at the conclusion of the spring.

That left the Bears a total of five returning scholarship offensive linemen on the roster as the summer months approached with six true freshmen headed to campus. Tight ends Sam Tecklenburg and Josh Malin then made the move to the line to help bolster the depth and two of the six freshmen, Xavier Newman and Ryan Miller, would eventually play and start during their first year on campus.

By season's end, Rhule saw senior guard Ishmael Wilson exit the program while former junior college lineman Tyrae Simmons was relegated to being a special teams contributor only, leaving the Bears with only three of their original five to match with their newly acquired linemen.


Baylor's lack of depth wasn't for a lack of trying to find the right pieces to the puzzle to help them immediately.

The Bears pursued multiple immediately eligible transfers including highly regarded prospects Sunny Odogwu (Miami grad transfer) and George Moore (junior college) to no avail. Odogwu, despite his connection to the staff, landed at UCLA while Moore, despite a very good official visit, landed at Oregon.

The next best option? Begin preparing for the future.

Prior to the start of 2017, the Bears added a name familiar to locals, former Midway and Central Florida offensive lineman Christian Beard. Beard was added to the roster as a walk-on with the hopes of earning a scholarship as he attempted to prove his full recovery from a knee injury. Beard remains on the roster today as a redshirt junior and Rhule stated recently that the 6-foot-3, 300-pound interior lineman would have been a valuable piece to last season's unit. 

But the big coup was the addition of former Clemson offensive lineman Jake Fruhmorgen. Fruhmorgen, a former U.S. Army All-American and four-star prospect, started eight games for Clemson's 2016 National Championship team prior to being injured. Fruhmorgen eventually left Clemson and was set to return closer to home and attend the University of Florida, but another change of mind and a connection to George DeLeone brought him to Waco.

Fruhmorgen set out the 2017 season due to NCAA rules and will be eligible to compete in 2018 as a redshirt junior.

Despite losing Porter, Simmons and Wilson following the season, the Bears are looking at a net positive in terms of depth with the redshirt freshmen being ready for action and an additional five high school linemen in the 2018 class December.

However, one more experienced and physically mature piece would provide a luxury of flexibility and experienced depth, not to mention balance and stability to a unit that needed it in the worst way.

Meet Baylor's most recent commit, junior college prospect Johncarlo Valentin‍ (ASA College). Valentin, a prospect originally from Philidelphia, was familiar with Matt Rhule and the majority of his staff from their time at Temple. A 2016 Oklahoma signee, Valentin (6-4, 330) chose Baylor over offers from Arkansas, Texas, Missouri, Tennessee and others.


Like any other position on the field, the value of an individual offensive lineman can't easily be measured. That is until something goes wrong such as a missed block or a blown assignment. More often than not in 2017, the offensive line had moments that were noticed by even the most casual observer.

At times it was being physically overwhelmed, at others it was players being new to their position. As an entire group the scheme was new and complex, creating confusion on many occasions. So how is that fixed? Finding size and maturity to go along with those already in place with hopes of finding the right combination.

In 12 games last fall, Baylor ranked No. 9 in third-down conversions in Big 12 play, No. 9 in red zone offense and No. 8 in rushing offense. The biggest correlation between the three? The inability to run the football when the opposing team knew they were going to run the football or their inability to win individual matchups in short-yardage situations.

The Bears finished as the No. 6 overall offense in the Big 12 in 2017, but it was their passing offense finishing the season ranked No. 24 in the nation that carried the overall total. Pass protection was consistently inconsistent throughout the season, primarily for reasons that have already been discussed, but when given time, the efficiency through the air proved to be among the best in the country. It just didn't happen often enough.

The combination of Fruhmorgen, who will have an entire calendar year under George Deleone's scheme after two years at Clemson, and Valentin, a true junior that will provide size and physical strength unlike everyone not named Blake Blackmar on the roster, will greatly supplement in many areas.

Fruhmorgen is likely slated for the left tackle position to replace Porter while Valentin provides a flexibility that can loosen up rotations and allow the best unit to be on the field at all times. The 6-foot-4, 330-pound prospect could play center, guard or tackle, allowing players like Xavier Newman, Sam Tecklenburg and even senior Patrick Lawrence to find their best overall position.

Make no mistake, while absorbing the scheme and development of strength and mass can be done during the offseason, depth issues of the magnitude between 2016 and 2017 aren't fixed overnight. But as the Bears move from one senior, two juniors, a sophomore and a freshman starting to the possibility of two seniors and three juniors, things should progress naturally.

How much? We should begin to see some answers this spring as to just how much the scheme has been implemented and how much maturity and stability comes with the new depth.

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Fruhmorgen, Valentin big pieces to Baylor's success in 2018

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chorne68
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I am really looking forward to having an offensive line again. Last year when we had a yard to go and the quarterback got under center, it usually meant we would lose two or three yards.
GRIZZLY79ER
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There are three critical elements (IMO) toward creating a potentially championship caliber collegiate football team.

1) solid to dominate defensive front with an ability to pressure passer.
2) dominate offensive line--with an ability to be consistently successful in converting short yardage run situations.
3) difference maker QB with RPO ability -- see RGIII and Cam Newton as prototypes

Otherwise, all will fall into place with even just above average talent everywhere else (that Baylor is recruiting at a high talent level currently).

The Bears are on their way...
ArlingtonFarm Fingercuffs
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I like your jive but it also takes intelligent use of these assets. Or even average use.
Doc Holliday
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Baylor's success has nothing to do with recruiting and everything to do with fixing our piss poor play calling and coaching.

I swear if I see our lines soft and pudgy again I will call this season a flop before the first snap.
bearlyafarmer
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Quick question re the article: Who stripped Baylor of all its 2016 OL recruits?

Wait...I know the answer.

Mr. Nobody
BobbyPop
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Don't forget we also had the kid who got dismissed from the team for harassment, the transfer from Texas, Rami Hammad who would have contributed as well. We were bare bones in the OL last year. It would have been nice to redshirt Xavier and Ryan, instead of having to play them as true freshman. There is rarely a time when a true freshman is ready to start on the offensive or defensive lines.
BellCountyBear
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I am no Rhule apologist and I don't know if he'll succeed at Baylor. But he did get a crappy hand dealt to him especially with the Oline. I expected 2017 to be bad, just not quite as bad as it turned out.
Pale Rider
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All of the above.

Profound I know!
Stretch
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No doubt there is a lot of o-line help needed. On the subject of the 2016 class, The 2016 " Recruits were Allowed to Leave" was actually the BOR secondary purging of the football program after the Briles firing. Let that sink in. Make no mistake it was intentional. Coaches get fire all the time and the schools make the players honor their signing. My opinion it was the second step securing there would be no more "Bad Dudes" from football. Throwing the Liberty and UTSA games guaranteed no bowl and ensured a low profile and out of the media. How many 7 years contracts are given to non proven P5 coaches? I do not know of any which makes me believe Baylor gave Rhule 7 years to coach 5 years by with an understanding agreement to purge anymore Bad Dudes or potential ones. I do though really wonder the feelings of Rhoades and company after Rhule sniffed an interview with the Colts. Baylor made a large commitment to him with a sizeable long term contract to a coach which is unproven in the P5 arena. I'd bet they are not real happy. Just saying.
Russell Gym
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Throwing games is a pretty big accusation. Who exactly threw the games? Maybe you are using the term differently than its standard usage: intentionally losing games.
Stretch
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Playing two deep safeties 20 to 25 yds off the ball basically every play causing 9 on 11 play the whole game against Liberty makes it hard to deny something wasn't up. In no way did Libertey out athlete us. Three games later this same team almost beat Oklahoma, a final four team. Sorry ain't buying it. And I'd still like someone to tell me "Who" has given a 7 year contract to a coach that's never coached a down of P5 ball. Baylor is the only situation I know of. Put the pieces together. as a fan and long time season ticket holder I feel I was asked to unknowingly invest in a product at that had no intentions at first of winning as the objective was to rid the roster of Bad Dudes and keep Baylor off the news. Yes it's a bold statement but make different since of it. Look back at what transpired throughout the ordeal from Briles firing on. And for the record I could care less of the Briles firing. Water under the bridge. There were to many suspicious descisions made that indicated this may been "Process" discussion to rectify Baylors image behind closed doors. Call it the grassy knoll but this is what I've felt. I'm not saying they were wrong either other than if fans invested in a product of no intention at the first if the season as part of collateral damage as well, well yes it extreemly angers me. Just saying.
Russell Gym
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Ok, so I get you think the games were lost intentionally. Who was in on it? A select few, or everyone? As you say, grassy knoll stuff.
Stretch
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Part of the condition of employment along with eliminating everything related to Briles including Bad Dude players. My belief it's why he received a 7 year contract instead of 5 year deal. Rhule is not the only one who would have taken this job if offered for 5 years. The Liberty game stands for itself. In my 45 years of football I have never saw safeties play 20 to 25 yds off the ball an entire game. They are rendered useless to the game except for the deep ball. What fear was a walk on QB from Liberty? We didn't line up against Oklahoma like that. Freshmen or not at some point if your giving up 10 to 15 yds a play go single high and man up. Send a extra pass rusher and jam there routes off the ball. Force them to beat you. Never happened. Heck our corners were in 8 yd drops. I'm not a novice to the game. I saw us lose to Lamar in 81. The difference then was we came off a conference title and thought we were better in 81 than we were. Didn't show up. As a player with a new head coach there are too many reasons to play your best game first game out to impress him. I saw the effort but someone has to prove the reasoning for the defensive alignment. The reality is ANY coach would question it. I sat with one that night also. He was beside himself.
Pale Rider
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I can't believe what I'm reading. And somehow I thought this Premium board would be more sane. Sheesh!
Ludwig von Missi
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Pale Rider said:

I can't believe what I'm reading. And somehow I thought this Premium board would be more sane. Sheesh!
For the record, these comments aren't on the premium board. This article is linked to both boards and this particular thread is the free version.
http://files.libertyfund.org/files/112/Read_0202_EBk_v6.0.pdf
Pale Rider
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Crash Davis said:

Pale Rider said:

I can't believe what I'm reading. And somehow I thought this Premium board would be more sane. Sheesh!
For the record, these comments aren't on the premium board. This article is linked to both boards and this particular thread is the free version.

Oops. Thanks CD. They're still stupid anyway.
Russell Gym
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IMO, there's a big difference between questioning alignment and saying the game was lost intentionally.
Pale Rider
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Russell Gym said:

IMO, there's a big difference between questioning alignment and saying the game was lost internationally.
Night and day; one is dumb and the other is fraudulent.
ColomboLQ
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Russell Gym said:

IMO, there's a big difference between questioning alignment and saying the game was lost internationally.
Someone's accusing Baylor of losing games in another country???
Russell Gym
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ColomboLQ said:

Russell Gym said:

IMO, there's a big difference between questioning alignment and saying the game was lost internationally.
Someone's accusing Baylor of losing games in another country???

Funny! Damned auto-correct! Those games in Japan got us again.
RioRata
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ColomboLQ said:

Russell Gym said:

IMO, there's a big difference between questioning alignment and saying the game was lost internationally.
Someone's accusing Baylor of losing games in another country???

Heck, it's intergalactic. Can't picture anywhere that Rhule could beat Turner Gill.
chorne68
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I hope we read shirt all the offensive linemen that we played last year and give them a chance to really be great their last two years. It is time and strength that makes NFL lineman.
Pale Rider
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chorne68 said:

I hope we read shirt all the offensive linemen that we played last year and give them a chance to really be great their last two years. It is time and strength that makes NFL lineman.

I'm afraid we simply don't have the luxury.
BaylorRocks
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Doc Holliday said:

Baylor's success has nothing to do with recruiting and everything to do with fixing our piss poor play calling and coaching.

I swear if I see our lines soft and pudgy again I will call this season a flop before the first snap.
You obviously know nothing about football. Quit embarrassing yourself with ridiculous, hater posts like this.
BaylorRocks
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Stretch said:

Part of the condition of employment along with eliminating everything related to Briles including Bad Dude players. My belief it's why he received a 7 year contract instead of 5 year deal. Rhule is not the only one who would have taken this job if offered for 5 years. The Liberty game stands for itself. In my 45 years of football I have never saw safeties play 20 to 25 yds off the ball an entire game. They are rendered useless to the game except for the deep ball. What fear was a walk on QB from Liberty? We didn't line up against Oklahoma like that. Freshmen or not at some point if your giving up 10 to 15 yds a play go single high and man up. Send a extra pass rusher and jam there routes off the ball. Force them to beat you. Never happened. Heck our corners were in 8 yd drops. I'm not a novice to the game. I saw us lose to Lamar in 81. The difference then was we came off a conference title and thought we were better in 81 than we were. Didn't show up. As a player with a new head coach there are too many reasons to play your best game first game out to impress him. I saw the effort but someone has to prove the reasoning for the defensive alignment. The reality is ANY coach would question it. I sat with one that night also. He was beside himself.
Cannot believe you spent so much effort to post your diatribe. Are all of your "opinions" and "beliefs" out of your system now? Good. Now just go back to being a fan please. You'd sound more sane that way. Thanks.

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