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What am I missing here? Everything in that audio involved football coaches being put on notice about sexual assaults in the late 90s-early 00s. Dantonio wasnt at Mich St until 2007. This would be like firing Briles because some of Steele's assistants were told things and Steele did nothing about it.

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There's more info in the article. It's quite lengthy.

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That's what she said.



Too soon???

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Notice how BT hopes there is a "massive list of people being fired" rather than hoping that any wrongdoing is confined to as few people as possible.

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***** is crazy.

Does Liberty need an assistant AD?

After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.

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What am I missing here? Everything in that audio involved football coaches being put on notice about sexual assaults in the late 90s-early 00s. Dantonio wasnt at Mich St until 2007. This would be like firing Briles because some of Steele's assistants were told things and Steele did nothing about it.

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Head coach at MSU from 1995-99: Nick Saban

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After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.

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Crazy thing is all of this would have probably stayed swept under the rug forever if it had not been for the Larry Nassar bomb going off

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ColomboLQ said:

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After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.

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Crazy thing is all of this would have probably stayed swept under the rug forever if it had not been for the Larry Nassar bomb going off

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That is so unbelievably true. I know we say that stuff in Waco happens everywhere, but man, I hope stuff like this isn't happening everywhere like this. It's really scary to think about it.

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ColomboLQ said:

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After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.

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Crazy thing is all of this would have probably stayed swept under the rug forever if it had not been for the Larry Nassar bomb going off

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That is so unbelievably true. I know we say that stuff in Waco happens everywhere, but man, I hope stuff like this isn't happening everywhere like this. It's really scary to think about it.

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Make no mistake, Bob Stoops stepped down pre-emptively because this type of time bomb is waiting in Norman too, and with he and Boren exiting ahead of it they can pretend they already cleaned house and leave the program otherwise unscathed.

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/22214566/pattern-denial-inaction-information-suppression-michigan-state-goes-larry-nassar-case-espn

There are so many incidents mentioned here it is just overwhelming.

Baylor was a drip here, and a drop there. Each time a new piece of information came out, like the Sam U case, it was analyzed repeatedly for every nuance. Each new detailed from a Baylor incident launched weeks upon weeks of rehashing the same story by the twitter mob. And a handful of incidents (not counting the many baseless accusations) took up nearly two years of internet rage.

With MSU, we have an absolute deluge of allegations. And I'm not even talking about the Nassar gymnastics incidents, which is truly horrific. I'm just speaking about the basketball and football allegations. Maybe most of this has been out there for a long time and this is just a recap, but it was the first time for me going through a lot of this, and I only made it partially through the article. It is just so overwhelming it doesn't really even begin to sink in. Not sure people will really grasp the magnitude of what is going on here because the volume of incidents is just mind-numbing.

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http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/22214566/pattern-denial-inaction-information-suppression-michigan-state-goes-larry-nassar-case-espn

There are so many incidents mentioned here it is just overwhelming.

Baylor was a drip here, and a drop there. Each time a new piece of information came out, like the Sam U case, it was analyzed repeatedly for every nuance. Each new detailed from a Baylor incident launched weeks upon weeks of rehashing the same story by the twitter mob. And a handful of incidents (not counting the many baseless accusations) took up nearly two years of internet rage.

With MSU, we have an absolute deluge of allegations. And I'm not even talking about the Nassar gymnastics incidents, which is truly horrific. I'm just speaking about the basketball and football allegations. Maybe most of this has been out there for a long time and this is just a recap, but it was the first time for me going through a lot of this, and I only made it partially through the article. It is just so overwhelming it doesn't really even begin to sink in. Not sure people will really grasp the magnitude of what is going on here because the volume of incidents is just mind-numbing.

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Maybe MSU is taking the Stalin approach: one incident is a tragedy; a million is a statistic.

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ColomboLQ said:

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After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.

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Crazy thing is all of this would have probably stayed swept under the rug forever if it had not been for the Larry Nassar bomb going off

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That is so unbelievably true. I know we say that stuff in Waco happens everywhere, but man, I hope stuff like this isn't happening everywhere like this. It's really scary to think about it.

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Make no mistake, Bob Stoops stepped down pre-emptively because this type of time bomb is waiting in Norman too, and with he and Boren exiting ahead of it they can pretend they already cleaned house and leave the program otherwise unscathed.

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I know that is the rumor, but the human being inside of me really hopes that isn't the case. I mean, if this is really happening like this on all of these college campuses, how can anyone feel safe sending their daughter anywhere?

It's about to get real.

ColomboLQ said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.

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Crazy thing is all of this would have probably stayed swept under the rug forever if it had not been for the Larry Nassar bomb going off

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That is so unbelievably true. I know we say that stuff in Waco happens everywhere, but man, I hope stuff like this isn't happening everywhere like this. It's really scary to think about it.

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Make no mistake, Bob Stoops stepped down pre-emptively because this type of time bomb is waiting in Norman too, and with he and Boren exiting ahead of it they can pretend they already cleaned house and leave the program otherwise unscathed.

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I know that is the rumor, but the human being inside of me really hopes that isn't the case. I mean, if this is really happening like this on all of these college campuses, how can anyone feel safe sending their daughter anywhere?

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I agree. It's why we need to mind our own house first, that's what we can control.

And why I've been so insistent that people not be flippant about what had to be done.

It was ugly and horrid, and we weren't the first, the last or only program with problems, but we seem to have been the first to say integrity matters, and I'm not saying we should pat ourselves on the back for that, but it is hopeful sign that our standards are higher and that when we fail we admit it.

Yikes.

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Yikes.

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That's out of line unless the player in question has been charged.

MilliVanilli said:

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Tommy_Lou_Ramsower said:

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Yikes.

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That's out of line unless the player in question has been charged.

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Well...seeing as our basketball players had to listen to "no means no" chants...I don't expect MSU's rival fans will let facts get in the way of their taunts.

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ColomboLQ said:

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After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.

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Crazy thing is all of this would have probably stayed swept under the rug forever if it had not been for the Larry Nassar bomb going off

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That is so unbelievably true. I know we say that stuff in Waco happens everywhere, but man, I hope stuff like this isn't happening everywhere like this. It's really scary to think about it.

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Make no mistake, Bob Stoops stepped down pre-emptively because this type of time bomb is waiting in Norman too, and with he and Boren exiting ahead of it they can pretend they already cleaned house and leave the program otherwise unscathed.

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I know that is the rumor, but the human being inside of me really hopes that isn't the case. I mean, if this is really happening like this on all of these college campuses, how can anyone feel safe sending their daughter anywhere?

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I agree. It's why we need to mind our own house first, that's what we can control.

And why I've been so insistent that people not be flippant about what had to be done.

It was ugly and horrid, and we weren't the first, the last or only program with problems, but we seem to have been the first to say integrity matters, and I'm not saying we should pat ourselves on the back for that, but it is hopeful sign that our standards are higher and that when we fail we admit it.

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I think you will find everyone will agree with you on the first highlighted part. But there simply is no way you are going to get agreement from everyone on the second.

MSU's next HC?

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It's ugly ugly stuff, hope they get deep-sixed by media scrutiny.

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Why? I saw what the media did to baylor
They are now on MSU

Just another frenzy

I promise you texas and Michigan and SEC schools just as bad

ColomboLQ said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.

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Crazy thing is all of this would have probably stayed swept under the rug forever if it had not been for the Larry Nassar bomb going off

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That is so unbelievably true. I know we say that stuff in Waco happens everywhere, but man, I hope stuff like this isn't happening everywhere like this. It's really scary to think about it.

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Make no mistake, Bob Stoops stepped down pre-emptively because this type of time bomb is waiting in Norman too, and with he and Boren exiting ahead of it they can pretend they already cleaned house and leave the program otherwise unscathed.

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I know that is the rumor, but the human being inside of me really hopes that isn't the case. I mean, if this is really happening like this on all of these college campuses, how can anyone feel safe sending their daughter anywhere?

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You hope OU doesn't get punished for sweeping stuff under the rug? I'm bout at the point where I wanna see every school burn. The piling on and hyperbolic bullmess that Baylor and its alums had to endure for what happened here is more than enough to gleefully watch other schools get the same ball peen hammer treatment.

So...when does the B1G announce withholding 25% of MSU's revenue?

Guaranteed that was written for her, as has everything else.

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Is their BOR as bad as Baylors?

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Their BOR is tiny in comparison...I think only 8 members.

After all the Nassar stuff blew up they stood up for their Pres when the media first started calling for her head. So...they are definitely taking a different type of stance...we'll see how it goes.

Curious to see what their public comments about their basketball and football coach will be

There has been a lot of ink spilled talking about the "culture" inside universities that covers this stuff up. That is an appropriate line of questioning.

But at what point do we start to seriously look at the moral culture of the athletes. After all, it isn't as if the coaches are making them do this stuff. They're just trying to cover it up afterwards or shield their players from the consequences. How have these kids been raised such that they view women as disposable sexual objects?

Where are the inflammatory columns and tweets from Pat Forde, Pete Thamel, Thayer Evans, Barrett Sallee, Dan Woken, Greg Doyel and Dennis Dodd calling for the firings of Dantonio and his staff, and Izzo and his staff the way they did Briles?

Who knew what lied ahead...

This pic is eerily similar to the CAB " coaching in the rain" pic the media loved to use in their scandal stories

Well I can't believe these things go on anywhere else besides Baylor! Little low life Baylor. The school targeted and talked about endlessly. What do you think should happen to MSU Paul Finnbaumn? ESPN is just shocked! Can't believe it!

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There has been a lot of ink spilled talking about the "culture" inside universities that covers this stuff up. That is an appropriate line of questioning.

But at what point do we start to seriously look at the moral culture of the athletes. After all, it isn't as if the coaches are making them do this stuff. They're just trying to cover it up afterwards or shield their players from the consequences. How have these kids been raised such that they view women as disposable sexual objects?

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Unfortunately, athletes might only be a reflection of the much larger student body across universities in the country and perhaps around the world. Athletes simply have a lot more of a spotlight on them most of the time. I unfortunately know plenty of women (and men!) who have felt like they were used as disposable sexual objects in their late teens and early twenties.

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Who knew what lied ahead...

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Tommy_Lou_Ramsower said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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There has been a lot of ink spilled talking about the "culture" inside universities that covers this stuff up. That is an appropriate line of questioning.

But at what point do we start to seriously look at the moral culture of the athletes. After all, it isn't as if the coaches are making them do this stuff. They're just trying to cover it up afterwards or shield their players from the consequences. How have these kids been raised such that they view women as disposable sexual objects?

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Unfortunately, athletes might only be a reflection of the much larger student body across universities in the country and perhaps around the world. Athletes simply have a lot more of a spotlight on them most of the time. I unfortunately know plenty of women (and men!) who have felt like they were used as disposable sexual objects in their late teens and early twenties.

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Probably true. Is it that everyone is misbehaving sexually in this way and that college athletics just presents a unique circumstance where there are adults who are so strongly financially incentivized to shield the students from the consequences of their conduct? I think that may be part of it, but I also think that many athletes have had people protecting their bad behavior for a long time. As a result, they are relatively uninhibited in doing whatever the hell they want and figuring someone will fix it for them later. Same attitude about classes, inanu cases.