PartyBear said:They arent even suspended pending a criminal investigation. MSU already knows what it needs to know to determine if they should still be the HCs and I doubt that is exculpatory and exhonerating information. The President and AD are already out.Russell Gym said:PartyBear said:
So far Izzo and Dantonio are still HCs there.
The AG is just beginning an investigation. It's still very early.
PartyBear said:
What do you mean by long term? I would think a suspension should already be warranted.
ColomboLQ said:Possibly. Or it could be someone hiding behind Christianity in defending their actions when supposedly trying to do the "right" thing. Time will tell.Keyser Soze said:
It might occur when someone with a sliver of impathy hears account after account of MSU coeds getting beat or raped
Maybe the MSU BOR is just jealous of successful football and basketball coachesColomboLQ said:Possibly. Or it could be someone hiding behind Christianity in defending their actions when supposedly trying to do the "right" thing. Time will tell.Keyser Soze said:
It might occur when someone with a sliver of impathy hears account after account of MSU coeds getting beat or raped
Except Disney just acquired the Fox networks in a deal with Murdoch. Fox and ESPN are all under the same parent company now. It is why ARod can do Sunday Night Baseball on ESPN and still work as a commentator for FOX during the post-season. They technically aren't "competitors" anymore.OsoCoreyell said:
If you think little Baylor and Big MSU are the only places that have these issues, you are completely crazy. In the long run, Note so far that ESPN's rage (and investigative efforts) have been limited to schools that it does not have a financial interest in propping up (Baylor - FOX, MSU - BIG Network). We'll see if they have the nerve and integrity to go after SEC. You know this stuff is happening there.
You are hitting on a related point I have been making about them having not been fired yet. If they are allowed to survive even with a criminal investigation into their conduct and when even the media has made a point that this situation is tremendously worse than the situation at Baylor, it will be proof positive that Baylor did not need to fire Briles and that other remedies and measures to the problems could have been made other than that one--and that move was not even a remedy to the problem actually. Proof that Baylor really fxcked up and fxcked itself when it fired Briles and then really fxcked Briles when it decided it would smear him to the point he lost his entire career.RealLarryDon said:
Meh. I just saw the AG press conference. Dude had to read what he "says" he's going to do, which means he has to go through a lot of rhetoric to make people think he's actually doing something. Dantonio and Izzo will both be the head coaches of their respective sports 5 years from now. This will be nothing but window dressing by the AG for political purposes.
I think you are wrong on Rhule and MSU, but that's just me.PartyBear said:You are hitting on a related point I have been making about them having not been fired yet. If they are allowed to survive even with a criminal investigation into their conduct and when even the media has made a point that this situation is tremendously worse than the situation at Baylor, it will be proof positive that Baylor did not need to fire Briles and that other remedies and measures to the problems could have been made other than that one. Proof that Baylor really fxcked up and fxcked itself when it fired Briles and then really fxcked Briles when it decided it would smear him to the point he lost his entire career.RealLarryDon said:
Meh. I just saw the AG press conference. Dude had to read what he "says" he's going to do, which means he has to go through a lot of rhetoric to make people think he's actually doing something. Dantonio and Izzo will both be the head coaches of their respective sports 5 years from now. This will be nothing but window dressing by the AG for political purposes.
As to the other question of Gust's. Yes should Mich St fire Dantonio tomorrow I would not be surprised if Rhule is one of the first 2 or 3 coaches who approaches them about the opening. In fact his people may have already inquired of Mich State about being interested in "being approached" should they have an opening. Keep in mind I do not suspect he would be anymore a serious candidate than he was with the Colts but I would not be surprised if he seeks "talks" with them and would bolt in the off chance they offered him.
BrooksBearLives said:
They're getting destroyed for their "internal investigation" and it's only going to get worse.
Hiring Pepper Hamilton and releasing the findings of fact saved our asses.
It doesn't seem like it since they haven't terminated the coaches as of yet. Maybe they don't have as many skeletons in the closet that some of our BOR do?Keyser Soze said:Maybe the MSU BOR is just jealous of successful football and basketball coachesColomboLQ said:Possibly. Or it could be someone hiding behind Christianity in defending their actions when supposedly trying to do the "right" thing. Time will tell.Keyser Soze said:
It might occur when someone with a sliver of impathy hears account after account of MSU coeds getting beat or raped
boognish_bear said:
If MSU fires their coach I don't think CMR would ever entertain an interview there.
Obviously it pissed a lot of people off that he appeared open to looking at the Colts job... but at least there could be some understanding since it was an NFL gig. That would not be the case here.
If he were to take a swing at the MSU job he better hit a homerun....because if he swings and misses he will really be in bad shape here.
Well this is complete crap. He flirted with the Colts and was willing to completely abandon our job for that. The Big 10 is one of his ultimate dreams. If he was pursued....I'm sure he would listen...just like he did with Indianapolis.HuMcK said:
Absolutely no way in hell Rhule would entertain going to MSU (if they even fire Dantonio, I'm not convinced they will yet), and especially not this offseason. That would be prematurely abandoning one tough rebuild for another, and it looks like MSU athletics and admin are in more jeopardy than Baylor ever was. Besides that, with Franklin entrenched at PSU Rhule is committed to Baylor for the next few years unless an NFL HC job is on the table imo.
But, in BBall they are an elite program. What if they fire Izzo then look around for a coach that fits their situation, and zero in on Scott Drew? Drew has been at Baylor for a good while now and his name has been mentioned for jobs in the last few offseasons. I hate to even think it, but if he decides he's reached his ceiling at Baylor then MSU could get a long look from Drew.
Edit: I forgot about the Drayton McLane connection between the 2 schools, idk if that works in our favor or theirs, but I imagine he would have a say on the matter of Scott Drew.
The only reason for you to continue to beat this drum is just to stir the pot. I, for one, say cut it out.Gust Avrakotos said:Well this is complete crap. He flirted with the Colts and was willing to completely abandon our job for that. The Big 10 is one of his ultimate dreams. If he was pursued....I'm sure he would listen...just like he did with Indianapolis.HuMcK said:
Absolutely no way in hell Rhule would entertain going to MSU (if they even fire Dantonio, I'm not convinced they will yet), and especially not this offseason. That would be prematurely abandoning one tough rebuild for another, and it looks like MSU athletics and admin are in more jeopardy than Baylor ever was. Besides that, with Franklin entrenched at PSU Rhule is committed to Baylor for the next few years unless an NFL HC job is on the table imo.
But, in BBall they are an elite program. What if they fire Izzo then look around for a coach that fits their situation, and zero in on Scott Drew? Drew has been at Baylor for a good while now and his name has been mentioned for jobs in the last few offseasons. I hate to even think it, but if he decides he's reached his ceiling at Baylor then MSU could get a long look from Drew.
Edit: I forgot about the Drayton McLane connection between the 2 schools, idk if that works in our favor or theirs, but I imagine he would have a say on the matter of Scott Drew.
His offense would work well in the Big XII and his goals of controlling TOP would be shared amongst other conference members.
Huck as ludicrous and long shot as seeking an NFL HC job was after a 1-11 first year at Baylor was, Rhule did that just two weeks ago. It is clear he wants this to be as brief a stepping stone as he can get away with. He will try to get a new HC job after every season he is here. He has already shown that. His entire goal is an NFL job or a BiG blue blood job. Getting into the BiG at MSU is a good key to that interms of the BiG blue blood aspect of his dreams. I will not be shocked at all if he seeks to talk to MSU tomorrow if they were to announce in the morning or late tonight that Dantonio is out. Again I wouldnt be shocked to learn his people put out feelers in East Lansing on Thursday or Friday of last week as this was breaking. The only thing that might give him pause on MSU is if he knows we share a BMD with MSU and sees how this could completely screw him over with both places even though I think his seat if pretty warm if not out right hot after the Colt's fiasco.HuMcK said:
Absolutely no way in hell Rhule would entertain going to MSU (if they even fire Dantonio, I'm not convinced they will yet), and especially not this offseason. That would be prematurely abandoning one tough rebuild for another, and it looks like MSU athletics and admin are in more jeopardy than Baylor ever was. Besides that, with Franklin entrenched at PSU Rhule is committed to Baylor for the next few years unless an NFL HC job is on the table imo.
But, in BBall they are an elite program. What if they fire Izzo then look around for a coach that fits their situation, and zero in on Scott Drew? Drew has been at Baylor for a good while now and his name has been mentioned for jobs in the last few offseasons. I hate to even think it, but if he decides he's reached his ceiling at Baylor then MSU could get a long look from Drew.
Edit: I forgot about the Drayton McLane connection between the 2 schools, idk if that works in our favor or theirs, but I imagine he would have a say on the matter of Scott Drew.
Gust Avrakotos said:
More crap BuBB. He's a better fit at MSU. For all the reasons I listed. Some, like you, just won't admit it.
Absolutely nothing surprises me anymore, and neither would this.BrooksBearLives said:Gust Avrakotos said:
More crap BuBB. He's a better fit at MSU. For all the reasons I listed. Some, like you, just won't admit it.
Honest question: is there ANY basis in fact for you to be casting aspersions about Rhule to MSU?
Or is this just more of the completely baseless verbal masturbation we've come to expect from you?
Its not just athletes doing this, there is a portion of the student body that is involved as well. Considering the music and entertainment this generation listens to, it is a wonder that more of this type of behavior does not happen.bear2be2 said:Couldn't agree more. But it won't as long as administrators -- and fans -- are willing to support bad-acting players over those they victimize and enable win-at-all-cost coaches to bring these types of guys on campus with impunity.ColomboLQ said:If that's the case, there needs to be independent investigations (by lawyers or investigators or journalists all of which can have no connection to the school or area whatsoever) occurring at every single D1 university, especially the P5 schools. This **** needs to stop.Chanceux said:Well then I have bad news for ya. Our missteps probably don't hold a candle to Oklahoma during Stoops and Texas during Mack Brown. There ain't no telling how much crap those programs have buried over the years. Gary Patterson basically crapped all over a rape victim at TCU. Kansas, KSU, Ok St, all have and had problems. Heck Ok St. is patient zero for Title IX and rape.ColomboLQ said:No, what I mean is that I really hope that it isn't true that all these universities are purposefully treating victims in such a malicious and callous way. But if it is true, then yes, I want them punished to kingdom come.Chanceux said:You hope OU doesn't get punished for sweeping stuff under the rug? I'm bout at the point where I wanna see every school burn. The piling on and hyperbolic bullmess that Baylor and its alums had to endure for what happened here is more than enough to gleefully watch other schools get the same ball peen hammer treatment.ColomboLQ said:I know that is the rumor, but the human being inside of me really hopes that isn't the case. I mean, if this is really happening like this on all of these college campuses, how can anyone feel safe sending their daughter anywhere?MilliVanilli said:Make no mistake, Bob Stoops stepped down pre-emptively because this type of time bomb is waiting in Norman too, and with he and Boren exiting ahead of it they can pretend they already cleaned house and leave the program otherwise unscathed.ColomboLQ said:That is so unbelievably true. I know we say that stuff in Waco happens everywhere, but man, I hope stuff like this isn't happening everywhere like this. It's really scary to think about it.boognish_bear said:ColomboLQ said:
After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.
Crazy thing is all of this would have probably stayed swept under the rug forever if it had not been for the Larry Nassar bomb going off
There's just not a journalist with any integrity in Texas or Oklahoma to go after them.
I think you could solve some of this pretty quickly by taking player discipline out of coaches' hands for off-field issues and holding athletes to the exact same academic and conduct standards you do the general student population -- and that starts with entrance requirements. But I can't see that happening any time soon.
It is possible, but I think CMR will stay here for a few years. Once he has gotten Baylor to a bowl game, which I think will happen in 2019, he might start looking at other offers. But until then, I doubt he can leverage a large enough pay raise to make the jump.Gust Avrakotos said:
When Dantoni is ousted, is there any chance that Rhule could be a candidate for that job? Hear me out here. Think about his background before you answer.
Rhule is Big 10 blood
He's coached at a school that is coming off a scandal
He has a process
Strong recruiter
NFL pedigree
Good reputation with ESPN
Thoughts?
Gust
EvilTroyAndAbed said:Absolutely nothing surprises me anymore, and neither would this.BrooksBearLives said:Gust Avrakotos said:
More crap BuBB. He's a better fit at MSU. For all the reasons I listed. Some, like you, just won't admit it.
Honest question: is there ANY basis in fact for you to be casting aspersions about Rhule to MSU?
Or is this just more of the completely baseless verbal masturbation we've come to expect from you?
But if you want to know if WAC/Gust ever actually has facts or inside sources, the answer is no. The man doesn't even know how to use Google.
BrooksBearLives said:Gust Avrakotos said:
More crap BuBB. He's a better fit at MSU. For all the reasons I listed. Some, like you, just won't admit it.
Honest question: is there ANY basis in fact for you to be casting aspersions about Rhule to MSU?
Or is this just more of the completely baseless verbal masturbation we've come to expect from you?
Gust Avrakotos said:
More crap BuBB. He's a better fit at MSU. For all the reasons I listed. Some, like you, just won't admit it.
