Keyser Soze said:

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Of course no one ever blamed athletics for everything

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Yea right, you and the rest of the HATING Briles group have been blaming everything that has happened at Baylor on the football team and its staff.

Guess what, the rest of the rats are still on the ship. Lets just hope it does not sink our current football staff.

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Of course no one ever blamed athletics for everything

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It's their lazy deflection, the firings they cared about happened in athletics, they would not give one iota about much of this if it hadn't been an aspect of it.

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MilliVanilli said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Good to know you're perfectly comfortable with inaction if it preserves the status quo.

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I think the point is being made that we overreacted to the situation since there has never been any proof that Coach Briles did anything wrong yet we bought out his contract. It was wrong for the school itself to have an inadequate Title 9 office and it was wrong for the BOR to try to blame all problems on Coach Briles. The BOR hoped to blame it all on him to take the attention away from their very poor oversight.

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So because you aren't privy to information then action must not have been warranted...

You really think a popular coach, dynamic fundraising president, an AD, and many lieutenants whose names you'll never know were jettisoned over inadequate Title 9?

Laughable, absolutely laughable.

Maybe one day the extent of the rot will be for public consumption, but frankly, there's a reason it isn't.

And we didn't buy out Briles, we fired him and gave him a severance settlement.

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So if you are privy to information that Coach Briles did anything wrong please serve it up so that we can see it.
You act like you know something that many others here don't know. I don't believe you know anything more than the others here but you want to act like you do. I think that you are simply bloviating.

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It's not fit for public consumption, it's that heinous, there's a reason it isn't available for the world to see in full.

Yeah, totally bloviating, so much to gain from bothering to put down myths about Briles and McCaw martyrdom on a message board...

You'll have to ask people that are in the know in private if you actually want to know because it's in no one's best interests the fully ugly truth be available for a media frenzy.

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Like people are going to be arrested ugly? Or less ugly than that?

Chanceux said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Amarillobear said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Amarillobear said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Good to know you're perfectly comfortable with inaction if it preserves the status quo.

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I think the point is being made that we overreacted to the situation since there has never been any proof that Coach Briles did anything wrong yet we bought out his contract. It was wrong for the school itself to have an inadequate Title 9 office and it was wrong for the BOR to try to blame all problems on Coach Briles. The BOR hoped to blame it all on him to take the attention away from their very poor oversight.

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So because you aren't privy to information then action must not have been warranted...

You really think a popular coach, dynamic fundraising president, an AD, and many lieutenants whose names you'll never know were jettisoned over inadequate Title 9?

Laughable, absolutely laughable.

Maybe one day the extent of the rot will be for public consumption, but frankly, there's a reason it isn't.

And we didn't buy out Briles, we fired him and gave him a severance settlement.

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So if you are privy to information that Coach Briles did anything wrong please serve it up so that we can see it.
You act like you know something that many others here don't know. I don't believe you know anything more than the others here but you want to act like you do. I think that you are simply bloviating.

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It's not fit for public consumption, it's that heinous, there's a reason it isn't available for the world to see in full.

Yeah, totally bloviating, so much to gain from bothering to put down myths about Briles and McCaw martyrdom on a message board...

You'll have to ask people that are in the know in private if you actually want to know because it's in no one's best interests the fully ugly truth be available for a media frenzy.

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Like people are going to be arrested ugly? Or less ugly than that?

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Reach out to people in private, it's not for public viewing.

Keyser Soze said:

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Amarillobear said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Amarillobear said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Good to know you're perfectly comfortable with inaction if it preserves the status quo.

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I think the point is being made that we overreacted to the situation since there has never been any proof that Coach Briles did anything wrong yet we bought out his contract. It was wrong for the school itself to have an inadequate Title 9 office and it was wrong for the BOR to try to blame all problems on Coach Briles. The BOR hoped to blame it all on him to take the attention away from their very poor oversight.

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So because you aren't privy to information then action must not have been warranted...

You really think a popular coach, dynamic fundraising president, an AD, and many lieutenants whose names you'll never know were jettisoned over inadequate Title 9?

Laughable, absolutely laughable.

Maybe one day the extent of the rot will be for public consumption, but frankly, there's a reason it isn't.

And we didn't buy out Briles, we fired him and gave him a severance settlement.

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So if you are privy to information that Coach Briles did anything wrong please serve it up so that we can see it.
You act like you know something that many others here don't know. I don't believe you know anything more than the others here but you want to act like you do. I think that you are simply bloviating.

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You have to be willfully uninformed not to be privy at this point.

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You have lost your mind. Sorry to hear about on this message board.

Malbec said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Amarillobear said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Amarillobear said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Good to know you're perfectly comfortable with inaction if it preserves the status quo.

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I think the point is being made that we overreacted to the situation since there has never been any proof that Coach Briles did anything wrong yet we bought out his contract. It was wrong for the school itself to have an inadequate Title 9 office and it was wrong for the BOR to try to blame all problems on Coach Briles. The BOR hoped to blame it all on him to take the attention away from their very poor oversight.

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So because you aren't privy to information then action must not have been warranted...

You really think a popular coach, dynamic fundraising president, an AD, and many lieutenants whose names you'll never know were jettisoned over inadequate Title 9?

Laughable, absolutely laughable.

Maybe one day the extent of the rot will be for public consumption, but frankly, there's a reason it isn't.

And we didn't buy out Briles, we fired him and gave him a severance settlement.

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So if you are privy to information that Coach Briles did anything wrong please serve it up so that we can see it.
You act like you know something that many others here don't know. I don't believe you know anything more than the others here but you want to act like you do. I think that you are simply bloviating.

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You have to be willfully uninformed not to be privy at this point.

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You have lost your mind. Sorry to hear about on this message board.

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They think that if they say it enough times with confidence then everyone will just believe it.

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Malbec said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Amarillobear said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Amarillobear said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Good to know you're perfectly comfortable with inaction if it preserves the status quo.

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I think the point is being made that we overreacted to the situation since there has never been any proof that Coach Briles did anything wrong yet we bought out his contract. It was wrong for the school itself to have an inadequate Title 9 office and it was wrong for the BOR to try to blame all problems on Coach Briles. The BOR hoped to blame it all on him to take the attention away from their very poor oversight.

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So because you aren't privy to information then action must not have been warranted...

You really think a popular coach, dynamic fundraising president, an AD, and many lieutenants whose names you'll never know were jettisoned over inadequate Title 9?

Laughable, absolutely laughable.

Maybe one day the extent of the rot will be for public consumption, but frankly, there's a reason it isn't.

And we didn't buy out Briles, we fired him and gave him a severance settlement.

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So if you are privy to information that Coach Briles did anything wrong please serve it up so that we can see it.
You act like you know something that many others here don't know. I don't believe you know anything more than the others here but you want to act like you do. I think that you are simply bloviating.

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You have to be willfully uninformed not to be privy at this point.

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You have lost your mind. Sorry to hear about on this message board.

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They think that if they say it enough times with confidence then everyone will just believe it.

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You're either attempting to satirize yourself or so painfully lacking in self-awareness it hurts.

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While I agree you could find poor behavior of 20 year old kids at any program, I don't think you would find the systematic shielding of those players to the extent Briles did.

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Have you been living under a rock, young buck?

Keyser Soze said:

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While I agree you could find poor behavior of 20 year old kids at any program, I don't think you would find the systematic shielding of those players to the extent Briles did.

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May be true. But equivocally, per the findings of the PH report you selectively interpret only one way, testimony under oath from their own interim president, and more...I don't think you would find such systematic failure, mismanagement, conflicts of interest, etc from another leadership BoR (that can go untouched) anywhere in America. Otherwise, They would be just like Briles, they'd never serve in such a position again. No one would touch them.

Briles and others are gone. Only one common component remains. Your bosses. The hypocrisy of your one sided agenda is old. All failed. Not all were held accountable.

Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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While I agree you could find poor behavior of 20 year old kids at any program, I don't think you would find the systematic shielding of those players to the extent Briles did.

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May be true. But equivocally, per the findings of the PH report you selectively interpret only one way, testimony under oath from their own interim president, and more...I don't think you would find such systematic failure, mismanagement, conflicts of interest, etc from another leadership BoR (that can go untouched) anywhere in America. Otherwise, They would be just like Briles, unhireable anywhere else in the country. No one would touch them.

Briles and others are gone. Only one common component remains. Your bosses. The hypocrisy of your one sided agenda is old. All failed. Not all were held accountable.

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Exactly. Starr, McCaw, Briles and company are gone. We will repeat this sordid mess on down the road because there has been no culture change on the BOR and the executive veeps still remain employed. Shameful.

YoakDaddy said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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While I agree you could find poor behavior of 20 year old kids at any program, I don't think you would find the systematic shielding of those players to the extent Briles did.

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May be true. But equivocally, per the findings of the PH report you selectively interpret only one way, testimony under oath from their own interim president, and more...I don't think you would find such systematic failure, mismanagement, conflicts of interest, etc from another leadership BoR (that can go untouched) anywhere in America. Otherwise, They would be just like Briles, unhireable anywhere else in the country. No one would touch them.

Briles and others are gone. Only one common component remains. Your bosses. The hypocrisy of your one sided agenda is old. All failed. Not all were held accountable.

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Exactly. Starr, McCaw, Briles and company are gone. We will repeat this sordid mess on down the road because there has been no culture change on the BOR and the executive veeps still remain employed. Shameful.

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So the fired personalities have no accountability for their own demise, a third party board is to blame for their own self-destruction? Interesting.

Fact is any hypothetical BOR future failings and the self-destruction and termination of the former regime are not mutually exclusive.

Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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While I agree you could find poor behavior of 20 year old kids at any program, I don't think you would find the systematic shielding of those players to the extent Briles did.

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May be true. But equivocally, per the findings of the PH report you selectively interpret only one way, testimony under oath from their own interim president, and more...I don't think you would find such systematic failure, mismanagement, conflicts of interest, etc from another leadership BoR (that can go untouched) anywhere in America. Otherwise, They would be just like Briles, they'd never serve in such a position again. No one would touch them.

Briles and others are gone. Only one common component remains. Your bosses. The hypocrisy of your one sided agenda is old. All failed. Not all were held accountable.

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So why is the world ignoring you?

MilliVanilli said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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While I agree you could find poor behavior of 20 year old kids at any program, I don't think you would find the systematic shielding of those players to the extent Briles did.

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May be true. But equivocally, per the findings of the PH report you selectively interpret only one way, testimony under oath from their own interim president, and more...I don't think you would find such systematic failure, mismanagement, conflicts of interest, etc from another leadership BoR (that can go untouched) anywhere in America. Otherwise, They would be just like Briles, unhireable anywhere else in the country. No one would touch them.

Briles and others are gone. Only one common component remains. Your bosses. The hypocrisy of your one sided agenda is old. All failed. Not all were held accountable.

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Exactly. Starr, McCaw, Briles and company are gone. We will repeat this sordid mess on down the road because there has been no culture change on the BOR and the executive veeps still remain employed. Shameful.

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So the fired personalities have no accountability for their own demise, a third party board is to blame for their own self-destruction? Interesting.

Fact is any hypothetical BOR future failings and the self-destruction and termination of the former regime are not mutually exclusive.

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Starr, McCaw, Briles and company have been held accountable for their failures. The BOFR sets the direction and provides oversight based on their culture. Their own vague FoF outlined their failures with 105 fixes. They all, except for Willis quietly slithering out last year, remain in their seats refusing to be accountable for their failures. The culture problem demonstrated by the other 90% will repeat.

YoakDaddy said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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While I agree you could find poor behavior of 20 year old kids at any program, I don't think you would find the systematic shielding of those players to the extent Briles did.

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May be true. But equivocally, per the findings of the PH report you selectively interpret only one way, testimony under oath from their own interim president, and more...I don't think you would find such systematic failure, mismanagement, conflicts of interest, etc from another leadership BoR (that can go untouched) anywhere in America. Otherwise, They would be just like Briles, unhireable anywhere else in the country. No one would touch them.

Briles and others are gone. Only one common component remains. Your bosses. The hypocrisy of your one sided agenda is old. All failed. Not all were held accountable.

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Exactly. Starr, McCaw, Briles and company are gone. We will repeat this sordid mess on down the road because there has been no culture change on the BOR and the executive veeps still remain employed. Shameful.

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So the fired personalities have no accountability for their own demise, a third party board is to blame for their own self-destruction? Interesting.

Fact is any hypothetical BOR future failings and the self-destruction and termination of the former regime are not mutually exclusive.

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Starr, McCaw, Briles and company have been held accountable for their failures. The BOFR sets the direction and provides oversight based on their culture. Their own vague FoF outlined their failures with 105 fixes. They all, except for Willis quietly slithering out last year, remain in their seats refusing to be accountable for their failures. The culture problem demonstrated by the other 90% will repeat.

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Let's get real, you don't care about a thing other than the fact they fired Briles. Had that not happened you'd be indifferent to anything else they've done post PH.

Keyser Soze said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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While I agree you could find poor behavior of 20 year old kids at any program, I don't think you would find the systematic shielding of those players to the extent Briles did.

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May be true. But equivocally, per the findings of the PH report you selectively interpret only one way, testimony under oath from their own interim president, and more...I don't think you would find such systematic failure, mismanagement, conflicts of interest, etc from another leadership BoR (that can go untouched) anywhere in America. Otherwise, They would be just like Briles, they'd never serve in such a position again. No one would touch them.

Briles and others are gone. Only one common component remains. Your bosses. The hypocrisy of your one sided agenda is old. All failed. Not all were held accountable.

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So why is the world ignoring you?

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Another deflection. I don't blame you.

A simple question Keyser.

Are you saying this BoR, after all its failings, findings of mismanagement, meddling, and conflicts of interest, would still be in place if "the world", alum, or ANY governing body had oversight authority?

This simple question/answer will reveal if there's any small amount of intellectual honesty anywhere within your agenda.

MilliVanilli said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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While I agree you could find poor behavior of 20 year old kids at any program, I don't think you would find the systematic shielding of those players to the extent Briles did.

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May be true. But equivocally, per the findings of the PH report you selectively interpret only one way, testimony under oath from their own interim president, and more...I don't think you would find such systematic failure, mismanagement, conflicts of interest, etc from another leadership BoR (that can go untouched) anywhere in America. Otherwise, They would be just like Briles, unhireable anywhere else in the country. No one would touch them.

Briles and others are gone. Only one common component remains. Your bosses. The hypocrisy of your one sided agenda is old. All failed. Not all were held accountable.

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Exactly. Starr, McCaw, Briles and company are gone. We will repeat this sordid mess on down the road because there has been no culture change on the BOR and the executive veeps still remain employed. Shameful.

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So the fired personalities have no accountability for their own demise, a third party board is to blame for their own self-destruction? Interesting.

Fact is any hypothetical BOR future failings and the self-destruction and termination of the former regime are not mutually exclusive.

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Starr, McCaw, Briles and company have been held accountable for their failures. The BOFR sets the direction and provides oversight based on their culture. Their own vague FoF outlined their failures with 105 fixes. They all, except for Willis quietly slithering out last year, remain in their seats refusing to be accountable for their failures. The culture problem demonstrated by the other 90% will repeat.

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Let's get real, you don't care about a thing other than the fact they fired Briles. Had that not happened you'd be indifferent to anything else they've done post PH.

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Lets get real, you don't care about a thing besides covering the BOR's poor management, and incompetent oversight. If they had kept Briles you would sing their praises as the right thing to do, being a Christian institution is about redemption and reconciliation.

They would have never gone scorched earth either had that been the direction, and you would be just fine with it. You don't stand on principal, you stand for the BOR no matter what they do. Right or wrong.

Briles and Ian should have gone. The BOR should have been completely restructured, new oversight, accountable to the institution, not just God, those are the words of creepers.. Even the bible tells we are subject to God and.........they chose to be subject to nothing. Still a dysfunctional group as before.

But, you have your talking points and walking papers.

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MilliVanilli said:

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Good to know you're perfectly comfortable with inaction if it preserves the status quo.

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I don't think anybody is comfortable with that. It's the double standard that's troubling. I don't like knowing that other schools can get away this while Baylor has to self administer a flogging. I don't like knowing that journalists in Austin or Norman or Baton Rouge or Tuscaloosa, etc will never in a million years file FOIA requests to uncover the truth about the local athletic programs. Baylor needs to demand fairness as an institution and go after these other programs. There's nothing to lose anyway. Realignment won't be kind.

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Exactly. A self-administered flogging...for what?!? We still don't know.

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Keyser Soze said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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While I agree you could find poor behavior of 20 year old kids at any program, I don't think you would find the systematic shielding of those players to the extent Briles did.

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May be true. But equivocally, per the findings of the PH report you selectively interpret only one way, testimony under oath from their own interim president, and more...I don't think you would find such systematic failure, mismanagement, conflicts of interest, etc from another leadership BoR (that can go untouched) anywhere in America. Otherwise, They would be just like Briles, they'd never serve in such a position again. No one would touch them.

Briles and others are gone. Only one common component remains. Your bosses. The hypocrisy of your one sided agenda is old. All failed. Not all were held accountable.

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So why is the world ignoring you?

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Another deflection. I don't blame you.

A simple question Keyser.

Are you saying this BoR, after all its failings, findings of mismanagement, meddling, and conflicts of interest, would still be in place if "the world", alum, or ANY governing body had oversight authority?

This simple question/answer will reveal if there's any small amount of intellectual honesty anywhere within your agenda.

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Agree with me or you are not honest. Milli is right, you a child throwing a tantrum. You are not going to get you way.

.... and I have answered your questions about a dozen time, read some old threads if you don't remember

Keyser Soze said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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While I agree you could find poor behavior of 20 year old kids at any program, I don't think you would find the systematic shielding of those players to the extent Briles did.

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May be true. But equivocally, per the findings of the PH report you selectively interpret only one way, testimony under oath from their own interim president, and more...I don't think you would find such systematic failure, mismanagement, conflicts of interest, etc from another leadership BoR (that can go untouched) anywhere in America. Otherwise, They would be just like Briles, they'd never serve in such a position again. No one would touch them.

Briles and others are gone. Only one common component remains. Your bosses. The hypocrisy of your one sided agenda is old. All failed. Not all were held accountable.

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So why is the world ignoring you?

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Another deflection. I don't blame you.

A simple question Keyser.

Are you saying this BoR, after all its failings, findings of mismanagement, meddling, and conflicts of interest, would still be in place if "the world", alum, or ANY governing body had oversight authority?

This simple question/answer will reveal if there's any small amount of intellectual honesty anywhere within your agenda.

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Agree with me or you are not honest. Milli is right, you a child throwing a tantrum. You are not going to get you way.

.... and I have answered your questions about a dozen time, read some old threads if you don't remember

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Wow. New low even for you. Using Milli to validate your position? Noted.

I answered your question regarding "the world". I realize you hate being exposed, so ill ask the simple question again:

Are you saying this BoR, after all its failings, findings of mismanagement, meddling, and conflicts of interest, would still be in place if "the world", alum, or ANY governing body had oversight authority?

Yes or No will do

Another simple question (knowing you will avoid the other).

Would you be in favor, in the future after your current friends/family/bosses or no longer serving, for a stipulation that the BOR is subjected to an outside hiring/oversight process? Say for an extreme hypothetical example, if Baylor ever experienced the largest public scandal in school history, costing hundreds of millions of dollars, on a very public stage, in which they were found to have been part of the problem.....then there would be independent body in which they answered too? Or you good with them just determining their own fate?

No need to make it complicated. Yes or No. Is checks and balances good or bad?

You see, it's easy to expose hypocrisy and agendas.

False binary

You have constantly attributed the duties of the chief executive, Ken Starr, to them. Your whole premise is wrong. Buddy Jones abused his position, but that is an individual not the BOR. The biggest failing was they did not fire Starr soon enough.

They are not appreciably different than any other board of a school that had problems, PSU, NC, OSU, Miss St, USC ... Like I said before, the world does not operate they way think it should.

Now go read the old threads if you want more.

Well Buddy was the only one stupid enough to put his stuff on a University email server.

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False binary

You have constantly attributed the duties of the chief executive, Ken Starr, to them. Your whole premise is wrong. Buddy Jones abused his position, but that is an individual not the BOR. The biggest failing was they did not fire Starr soon enough.

They are not appreciably different than any other board of a school that had problems, PSU, NC, OSU, Miss St, USC ... Like I said before, the world does not operate they way think it should.

Now go read the old threads if you want more.

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Thank you for proving my point...yet again. Spin, excuse, and avoid. And no, My premise is not wrong. Again, the PH report and Testimony under oath showed mismanagement, conflicts of interest, and significant lack of institutional oversight. All related to the BORs function. In the real world, after hundreds of millions of dollars, that's not accepted.

An no, many of those other BORs at the schools you mentioned are subject to outside accountability, and in fact were turned over. Why do you accept such low standards of accountability for Baylor? As Baylor, aren't we better? Your position literally remains indefensible and agenda driven.

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Well Buddy was the only one stupid enough to put his stuff on a University email server.

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So what other stuff are you talking about?

Keyser Soze said:

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Forest Bueller said:

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Well Buddy was the only one stupid enough to put his stuff on a University email server.

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So what other stuff are you talking about?

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The email was the only glimpse we were allowed to see into what some regents did. Looking at the Pepper Hamilton report I would have to imagine that was not "the single incident" of BOR interference.

To believe that was "the single incident" would be incredibly naive, or agenda driven, one or the other.

Forest Bueller said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Forest Bueller said:

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Well Buddy was the only one stupid enough to put his stuff on a University email server.

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So what other stuff are you talking about?

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The email was the only glimpse we were allowed to see into what some regents did. Looking at the Pepper Hamilton report I would have to imagine that was not "the single incident" of BOR interference.

To believe that was "the single incident" would be incredibly naive, or agenda driven, one or the other.

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Not really disagreeing with you, asking what what you have besides suspicions.

The "conflicts of interest" red herring was about the athletics committee which was eliminated so athletics would function like all the other departments in the school. This was a needed change, but nothing nefarious at all. It does not stop people from wildly repeating the words "conflict of interest" over and over with little significance.

We have heard bits and pieces in regards to Faulk's dismissal. Certainly that can be called meddling, but I that can be somewhat understood by the circumstances of 2016. Would like to know more here, yet this can not be the cornerstone of scandal.

Many legit oversight failures. Few private schools would grab the pitch fork and torches for that, especially with being behind on 9T so prevalent everywhere. You just need a lot more to justify the blood lust the CABers have.

MilliVanilli said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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Dman said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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While I agree you could find poor behavior of 20 year old kids at any program, I don't think you would find the systematic shielding of those players to the extent Briles did.

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May be true. But equivocally, per the findings of the PH report you selectively interpret only one way, testimony under oath from their own interim president, and more...I don't think you would find such systematic failure, mismanagement, conflicts of interest, etc from another leadership BoR (that can go untouched) anywhere in America. Otherwise, They would be just like Briles, unhireable anywhere else in the country. No one would touch them.

Briles and others are gone. Only one common component remains. Your bosses. The hypocrisy of your one sided agenda is old. All failed. Not all were held accountable.

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Exactly. Starr, McCaw, Briles and company are gone. We will repeat this sordid mess on down the road because there has been no culture change on the BOR and the executive veeps still remain employed. Shameful.

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So the fired personalities have no accountability for their own demise, a third party board is to blame for their own self-destruction? Interesting.

Fact is any hypothetical BOR future failings and the self-destruction and termination of the former regime are not mutually exclusive.

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Starr, McCaw, Briles and company have been held accountable for their failures. The BOFR sets the direction and provides oversight based on their culture. Their own vague FoF outlined their failures with 105 fixes. They all, except for Willis quietly slithering out last year, remain in their seats refusing to be accountable for their failures. The culture problem demonstrated by the other 90% will repeat.

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Let's get real, you don't care about a thing other than the fact they fired Briles. Had that not happened you'd be indifferent to anything else they've done post PH.

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Briles, Briles, Briles. That's all you've got? From the beginning many of us have been concerned about the other 90%. His lax discipline was symptomatic of the perverse culture from the top. He made his bed. How ****ed up our BOR is has been well documented. I won't repeat the details again here. Keep on being a cuck for the BOR tho.

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Well Buddy was the only one stupid enough to put his stuff on a University email server.

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So what other stuff are you talking about?

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The email was the only glimpse we were allowed to see into what some regents did. Looking at the Pepper Hamilton report I would have to imagine that was not "the single incident" of BOR interference.

To believe that was "the single incident" would be incredibly naive, or agenda driven, one or the other.

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Many legit oversight failures. Few private schools would grab the pitch fork and torches for that, especially with being behind on 9T so prevalent everywhere. You just need a lot more to justify the blood lust the CABers have.

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"MANY LEGITIMATE OVERSIGHT FAILURES". Let's tackle this ONE issue you actually admit to, versus all the others you sadely justify and spin away.

Please name one other private or public school that would not grab pitchforks and torches for a university wide systematic failure (not just football) that cost their university over a quarter of a billion dollars? And please stop...This has nothing to do with Cab...quit trying to rationalize the indefensible.

Your premise is flat out false and again intellectually dishonest. Any other school rocked by their biggest scandal and payout, because of "many legitimate oversight failures" would have sent that BoR packing.

Serious question...just how big of a scandal do you need before you point at the BoR and say..your lack of institutional oversight is unacceptable?

Using your pathetic logic, no BoR could ever be termed. You're wrong, you know it, you just keep shilling.

Keyser, still waiting: simple question.

Are you saying this BoR, after all the findings of mismanagement, meddling, and conflicts of interest, lack of institutional control/oversight would still be in place if "the world", alum, or ANY governing body had oversight authority?

You think ANYONE else gives them a vote of confidence to just "keep up the good work"?

Yes?
No?

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Keyser, still waiting: simple question.

Are you saying this BoR, after all its failings, findings of mismanagement, meddling, and conflicts of interest, lack of institutional control/oversight would still be in place if "the world", alum, or ANY governing body had oversight authority? You think ANYONE else gives them a vote of confidence?

Yes?
No?

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The executive veeps are still in place with year long vacations and retirement packages upon return. That tells us all we need to know.

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Keyser, still waiting: simple question.

Are you saying this BoR, after all its failings, findings of mismanagement, meddling, and conflicts of interest, lack of institutional control/oversight would still be in place if "the world", alum, or ANY governing body had oversight authority? You think ANYONE else gives them a vote of confidence?

Yes?
No?

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The BOR is not management - that was Starr, he was fired. There is a reason they call the top employee Chief Executive.

Give me examples of meddling and conflicts of interest -

Yes they would still be in place just about anywhere - only possible exception would be a public institution where one individual, a Governor, made such a decision all by himself.

MSU people have applauded our BOR for having the stones to fire everyone. They are obviously fallible and an easy targets, but there is a reason the calling for there heads does not extend much beyond bulletin boards and butt hurt CAB supporters.

If not mistaken a regent's kid was on the football team and pressured Briles to play him. Although I don't recall the details there were vetting and qualification issues associated with the conflict of interest accusation.

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Keyser, still waiting: simple question.

Are you saying this BoR, after all its failings, findings of mismanagement, meddling, and conflicts of interest, lack of institutional control/oversight would still be in place if "the world", alum, or ANY governing body had oversight authority? You think ANYONE else gives them a vote of confidence?

Yes?
No?

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The BOR is not management - that was Starr, he was fired. There is a reason they call the top employee Chief Executive.

Give me examples of meddling and conflicts of interest -

Yes they would still be in place just about anywhere - only possible exception would be a public institution where one individual, a Governor, made such a decision all by himself.

MSU people have applauded our BOR for having the stones to fire everyone. They are obviously fallible and an easy targets, but there is a reason the calling for there heads does not extend much beyond bulletin boards and butt hurt CAB supporters.

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The BoR is oversight! They knew Star was thumbing his nose at T9 adoption, hell they hired him. That comes with no accountability?! Yet they did nothing! They had the responsibility to ensure our university was not ripe for this scandal you fool! To tell Star to get his **** together or get out...BEFORE it cost our university a quarter of a billion

Save me the "they fired everyone praise." They fired everyone but stopped short of their own failures. Thats your problem, you're actually praising their hypocrisy. It's inexplicable. You don't get to cleanup the mess you helped create and say "do over" and keep your position. Why keep bringing up Cab? He's gone. He should be. It's your hypocrisy that's still here.

You know not one of them would still be in place if their positions were subject to a vote or external oversight body. Your lying out of your teeth otherwise.

What in God's name has to happen that would meet your pathetic standards for a "no-vote" of confidence?! Baylor literally shuts down?

Keyser

The irony..is you ARE what you proclaim to hate. YOU ARE A CAB'er. They explain away every accusation as someone else's fault. They grasp to technicalities and spin. You are the same exact apologist. Nothing was the BORs fault. Despite the Ph reports, despite depositions under oath. It was always someone else's fault or responsibility. You throw around the worst accusations against Cab, yet dismiss any and all against the BOR. Are you that blind to your own absurdity? It defines why you have NO credibility.

All were at fault. All FAILED our university in some form. Horribly. All were not held accountable. No amount of spin will change that.

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Keyser Soze said:

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Well Buddy was the only one stupid enough to put his stuff on a University email server.

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So what other stuff are you talking about?

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The email was the only glimpse we were allowed to see into what some regents did. Looking at the Pepper Hamilton report I would have to imagine that was not "the single incident" of BOR interference.

To believe that was "the single incident" would be incredibly naive, or agenda driven, one or the other.

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Not really disagreeing with you, asking what what you have besides suspicions.

The "conflicts of interest" red herring was about the athletics committee which was eliminated so athletics would function like all the other departments in the school. This was a needed change, but nothing nefarious at all. It does not stop people from wildly repeating the words "conflict of interest" over and over with little significance.

We have heard bits and pieces in regards to Faulk's dismissal. Certainly that can be called meddling, but I that can be somewhat understood by the circumstances of 2016. Would like to know more here, yet this can not be the cornerstone of scandal.

Many legit oversight failures. Few private schools would grab the pitch fork and torches for that, especially with being behind on 9T so prevalent everywhere. You just need a lot more to justify the blood lust the CABers have.





It is really something how people of great competency in one arena, can be a complete incompetent in another.

It is more like this to me. I could see once the panic set in, that it was amateur hour as far as management crisis was involved. They seemed to be in panic mode.

I used to play tennis, well, won a State TAAF championship in the open division one year, my manager, with multiple advanced degrees had taken up tennis several years back, was able to beat several of the sales guys easily, heard I was really good and wanted the challenge. I didn't want to play him but what can you do. I gave away points every once in a while, but had a personal rule to never give away a game, someone had to take that.

After his 6-0, 6-0 beating, he wasn't much interested in another challenge. His area of competency didn't involve high level tennis, though he was starting to think it did.

That is what I have seen with some of the BOR members, you may can Pastor a 2000 member church and be a total dorkish failure as a school administrator. Once competency, does not guarantee another.

That is actually what I saw in Briles, a great coach, a nice man, who got in over his head having to try handling his teams incidents. Didn't have the support he needed #1, didn't have the competence to handle it #2. As would be with most coaches.

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