He'll shut up and find a job like USC.

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A west coast NFL job or college? I can't think of a PAC school on the coast that will have an opening.

Also if true. His own alma mater may be open within a year or so from now

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College. I guess USC is considering dumping Helton. I thought the same thing about K. St. but if he wants a legit shot at a title only USC could give him that.

He has a legitimate shot winning it at TCU (not this particular season) but he like Briles have both shown you have a legit shot winning it at TCU or Baylor. Hence he would have a legit shot at KSU as well as Snyder has already been in contention for it there 2 or 3 times.

I guess Sic On can tell us more about USC. But with the condemnation of Briles from her I doubt she would be high on hiring Patterson if he ends up leaving under a player domestic violence scandal at TCU, assuming this really is a scandal.

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He has a legitimate shot winning it at TCU (not this particular season) but he like Briles have both shown you have a legit shot winning it at TCU or Baylor. Hence he would have a legit shot at KSU as well as Snyder has already been in contention for it there 2 or 3 times.

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I'll just agree to disagree. As much as I'd like to see Baylor in the playoffs, not sure it's going to happen.

Had we not lost that game in 14 to OSU we would have been in the very first play off. As it stands had Ohio State not had the game it did against Wisconsin, the night before play off selection day, we may still have made it. Likewise had TCU beat Baylor in that 14 showdown, they would have been in.

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Had we not lost that game in 14 to OSU we would have been in the very first play off. As it stands had Ohio State not had the game it did against Wisconsin, the night before play off selection day, we may still have made it. Likewise had TCU beat Baylor in that 14 showdown, they would have been in.

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You mean WVU. The killer loss to OSU was in '13 when we would've played FSU for the Natty that season had we won that game (and Petty would've at least gotten a trip to NYC for the Heisman presentation if he hadn't had that infamous "self tacklization" play enroute to an otherwise easy TD).

Helton btw is only in his third full season at USC he was 10-3 and 11-3 in the first two full seasons. I doubt they fire him anytime real soon. Too bad for him Herman is having a great year. Del Conte may have brought him to Austin if he wasnt.

Oh and thanks for the correction on the Baylor loss in 14. I got the losses mixed up with which season it went to.

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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There are people inside the TCU camp that want Fatass fired.
Right now, they don't have the funds to pull it off nor a majority.

But give it time, anything can happen.

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This is true. Heard from someone yesterday that said Patterson will almost certainly be putting his name in the running for a certain west coast job after the season is over.

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Would be quite the whimper of an exit for the man that made TCU football relevant for a window of time.

If they can't afford to get rid of him but want to then they can't afford to court a top-tier replacement either.

Agree Milli. Barring an actual bad scandal, meaning not what has been revealed so far if that is all there is, it would be assinine for TCU to fire Patterson or encourage him to get another job lined up to be announced after the season.

Everyone seems to be forgetting the player lawsuits against him this summer.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Everyone seems to be forgetting the player lawsuits against him this summer.

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Yep.

people forget Patterson does shady **** that I'm not sure any coach does, which is show up at the clinic where the player is being rehabbed, tell em to tape it up or they'll be kicked off the team. Listenbee was hardly the sole plaintiff. Players were pissed about that and they should be.

I'm not sure it's as asinine as people think. Patterson was a good coach, but remember, even Franchione wouldn't give him a recommendation.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Everyone seems to be forgetting the player lawsuits against him this summer.

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That's true. I'm just pondering aloud if a buyout is a non-starter for TCU, how do they expect to fire the most successful (albeit unethical) coach they've had since Bob Lilly was a player and replace him with a competitive alternative.

It would be noble to run him off given what he is, but we know nobility isn't part of the equation here, only politics and legal liabilities.

So perhaps enough ruffled feathers and legal liabilities do exist to force TCU to part ways with him, but they don't seem to have the resources to go after anyone to make the program their own.

Patterson is TCU football, he takes the program with him when he leaves.

I did forget about the lawsuits apparently. What were those about? Are they resolved? (Doubtful they would be if filed just a few months ago).

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Helton btw is only in his third full season at USC he was 10-3 and 11-3 in the first two full seasons. I doubt they fire him anytime real soon. Too bad for him Herman is having a great year. Del Conte may have brought him to Austin if he wasnt.

Oh and thanks for the correction on the Baylor loss in 14. I got the losses mixed up with which season it went to.

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Yeah it's more of an "if it's available" deal. There's some bad blood between Patterson and people at TCU.

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Everyone seems to be forgetting the player lawsuits against him this summer.

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That's true. I'm just pondering aloud if a buyout is a non-starter for TCU, how do they expect to fire the most successful (albeit unethical) coach they've had since Bob Lilly was a player and replace him with a competitive alternative.

It would be noble to run him off given what he is, but we know nobility isn't part of the equation here, only politics and legal liabilities.

So perhaps enough ruffled feathers and legal liabilities do exist to force TCU to part ways with him, but they don't seem to have the resources to go after anyone to make the program their own.

Patterson is TCU football, he takes the program with him when he leaves.

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I don't think TCU would dismiss him. I think he'd get another gig before the axe fell.

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I did forget about the lawsuits apparently. What were those about? Are they resolved? (Doubtful they would be if filed just a few months ago).

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Patterson told a player that he had to play regardless of his injury status. If he didn't, Patterson threatened (although verbally) to kick the player off the team, and rescind his scholarship. All things Patterson denies ever saying. Listenbee claims that decision cost him in the NFL combine and damaged his career.

Problem is, Patterson
-demanded the team doctor be terminated.(my understanding, other dispute this)
-had a shouting match with a trainer on the sideline regarding a player who reportedly had suffered a concussion.
-has several players alleging the same charges as Listenbee.

The case is still ongoing.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Everyone seems to be forgetting the player lawsuits against him this summer.

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That's true. I'm just pondering aloud if a buyout is a non-starter for TCU, how do they expect to fire the most successful (albeit unethical) coach they've had since Bob Lilly was a player and replace him with a competitive alternative.

It would be noble to run him off given what he is, but we know nobility isn't part of the equation here, only politics and legal liabilities.

So perhaps enough ruffled feathers and legal liabilities do exist to force TCU to part ways with him, but they don't seem to have the resources to go after anyone to make the program their own.

Patterson is TCU football, he takes the program with him when he leaves.

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I don't think TCU would dismiss him. I think he'd get another gig before the axe fell.

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Was told he had a contract from Kansas State in his lap at one point, told them verbally he would mull it over and never signed it.

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Had we not lost that game in 14 to OSU we would have been in the very first play off. As it stands had Ohio State not had the game it did against Wisconsin, the night before play off selection day, we may still have made it. Likewise had TCU beat Baylor in that 14 showdown, they would have been in.

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You mean WVU. The killer loss to OSU was in '13 when we would've played FSU for the Natty that season had we won that game (and Petty would've at least gotten a trip to NYC for the Heisman presentation if he hadn't had that infamous "self tacklization" play enroute to an otherwise easy TD).

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Correct. Despite Ohio State's win over Wisky, Baylor still had a better resume. OSU lost to Virginia Tech at home and played 2 ranked opponents that year. Baylor lost on the road and played 3 ranked opponents. The argument was that the Big 12 didn't have a conference championship game. I knew then Baylor wasn't going to ever get a fair shake.

there is a reason Fatterson has not left for another job. no one wants him, as he is a total introverted jackass. That is from a friend of mine who played for Gary.

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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PartyBear said:

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I did forget about the lawsuits apparently. What were those about? Are they resolved? (Doubtful they would be if filed just a few months ago).

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Patterson told a player that he had to play regardless of his injury status. If he didn't, Patterson threatened (although verbally) to kick the player off the team, and rescind his scholarship. All things Patterson denies ever saying. Listenbee claims that decision cost him in the NFL combine and damaged his career.

Problem is, Patterson
-demanded the team doctor be terminated.(my understanding, other dispute this)
-had a shouting match with a trainer on the sideline regarding a player who reportedly had suffered a concussion.
-has several players alleging the same charges as Listenbee.

The case is still ongoing.

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Listenbee ran a 4.39 40-yard dash at the combine (good for 2nd best among WRs in 2016) and tied Corey Coleman for the 4th best broad jump. He passed physicals for three NFL teams. As we have seen with KD and Corey, sometimes solid college WRs just don't pan out.

Was Charlie's brother the QB for VaTech when they beat Ohio State?

BarleyMcDougal said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Had we not lost that game in 14 to OSU we would have been in the very first play off. As it stands had Ohio State not had the game it did against Wisconsin, the night before play off selection day, we may still have made it. Likewise had TCU beat Baylor in that 14 showdown, they would have been in.

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You mean WVU. The killer loss to OSU was in '13 when we would've played FSU for the Natty that season had we won that game (and Petty would've at least gotten a trip to NYC for the Heisman presentation if he hadn't had that infamous "self tacklization" play enroute to an otherwise easy TD).

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Correct. Despite Ohio State's win over Wisky, Baylor still had a better resume. OSU lost to Virginia Tech at home and played 2 ranked opponents that year. Baylor lost on the road and played 3 ranked opponents. The argument was that the Big 12 didn't have a conference championship game. I knew then Baylor wasn't going to ever get a fair shake.

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I think both Baylor or TCU would have done well in the playoff, but TCU was playing off the charts at the end of that season. If we had a rematch in a championship game, I think we would have been underdogs.

Would anything be different about what has happened to Fatty the past couple of seasons off the field if TCU had gotten into the playoff and won a Natty?

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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PartyBear said:

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Had we not lost that game in 14 to OSU we would have been in the very first play off. As it stands had Ohio State not had the game it did against Wisconsin, the night before play off selection day, we may still have made it. Likewise had TCU beat Baylor in that 14 showdown, they would have been in.

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You mean WVU. The killer loss to OSU was in '13 when we would've played FSU for the Natty that season had we won that game (and Petty would've at least gotten a trip to NYC for the Heisman presentation if he hadn't had that infamous "self tacklization" play enroute to an otherwise easy TD).

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Correct. Despite Ohio State's win over Wisky, Baylor still had a better resume. OSU lost to Virginia Tech at home and played 2 ranked opponents that year. Baylor lost on the road and played 3 ranked opponents. The argument was that the Big 12 didn't have a conference championship game. I knew then Baylor wasn't going to ever get a fair shake.

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I think both Baylor or TCU would have done well in the playoff, but TCU was playing off the charts at the end of that season. If we had a rematch in a championship game, I think we would have been underdogs.

Would anything be different about what has happened to Fatty the past couple of seasons off the field if TCU had gotten into the playoff and won a Natty?

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Maybe. Maybe not. But it's not really relevant to any comparison of Ohio State and Baylor. The facts are Baylor had the better schedule and "better" loss. Ohio State was picked because they brought more viewers and more money.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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PartyBear said:

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Had we not lost that game in 14 to OSU we would have been in the very first play off. As it stands had Ohio State not had the game it did against Wisconsin, the night before play off selection day, we may still have made it. Likewise had TCU beat Baylor in that 14 showdown, they would have been in.

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You mean WVU. The killer loss to OSU was in '13 when we would've played FSU for the Natty that season had we won that game (and Petty would've at least gotten a trip to NYC for the Heisman presentation if he hadn't had that infamous "self tacklization" play enroute to an otherwise easy TD).

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Correct. Despite Ohio State's win over Wisky, Baylor still had a better resume. OSU lost to Virginia Tech at home and played 2 ranked opponents that year. Baylor lost on the road and played 3 ranked opponents. The argument was that the Big 12 didn't have a conference championship game. I knew then Baylor wasn't going to ever get a fair shake.

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I think both Baylor or TCU would have done well in the playoff, but TCU was playing off the charts at the end of that season. If we had a rematch in a championship game, I think we would have been underdogs.

Would anything be different about what has happened to Fatty the past couple of seasons off the field if TCU had gotten into the playoff and won a Natty?

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We destroyed TCU in just about every category when we played them. The score shouldn't have been as close as it was. We would have beaten them by much more if we had got to play them again.

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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PartyBear said:

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I did forget about the lawsuits apparently. What were those about? Are they resolved? (Doubtful they would be if filed just a few months ago).

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Patterson told a player that he had to play regardless of his injury status. If he didn't, Patterson threatened (although verbally) to kick the player off the team, and rescind his scholarship. All things Patterson denies ever saying. Listenbee claims that decision cost him in the NFL combine and damaged his career.

Problem is, Patterson
-demanded the team doctor be terminated.(my understanding, other dispute this)
-had a shouting match with a trainer on the sideline regarding a player who reportedly had suffered a concussion.
-has several players alleging the same charges as Listenbee.

The case is still ongoing.

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Listenbee ran a 4.39 40-yard dash at the combine (good for 2nd best among WRs in 2016) and tied Corey Coleman for the 4th best broad jump. He passed physicals for three NFL teams. As we have seen with KD and Corey, sometimes solid college WRs just don't pan out.

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You know that's interesting. It almost sounds like you're contradicting the story that ran in SI. Can you share any other details? Here is the Si story: https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/02/01/kolby-listenbee-lawsuit-tcu-gary-patterson-legal-analysis

In his case, he presented an x ray showing the three pins in his groin that were inserted so that he could play.

I'd say playing with pins in your groin is questionable, do many players do that?

PartyBear said:

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Was Charlie's brother the QB for VaTech when they beat Ohio State?

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I believe so.

ColomboLQ said:

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PartyBear said:

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Was Charlie's brother the QB for VaTech when they beat Ohio State?

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I believe so.

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Yep. http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400547826

2 days later still no attention from ESPN, BT, OTL

Wonder how long the local guys will stay on it....or are they already moving along?

So did this whole story just fade away once GP waved that sheet of paper no one could see and say they got bad advice from their go-to source....a second hand internet site?

No one is looking into this....ok.

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Assaulted a family member? Isn't he from Monroe, Louisiana?

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Assault with family violence often (almost always) refers to physically abusing a girlfriend. Or since he is from TCU, probably a boyfriend.

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Ah yes. The classic "make fun of a person at the expense of the gay community." Very funny and classy. Been hanging around middle school locker rooms lately?

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yes we must never make fun of the sodomites.

All must genuflect to them and never make fun of their sexual practices.

suck it bud.....no one has the right not to be make fun of on the internet.

What a break for the Bears.
Glad he hurt his team.

Bears2Canes said:

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Grizz Air said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Assaulted a family member? Isn't he from Monroe, Louisiana?

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Assault with family violence often (almost always) refers to physically abusing a girlfriend. Or since he is from TCU, probably a boyfriend.

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Ah yes. The classic "make fun of a person at the expense of the gay community." Very funny and classy. Been hanging around middle school locker rooms lately?

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I don't know if this was intentional or ironic. Call someone out (rightly) for homophobic remarks....imply that he socializes with middle school boys while they are changing their clothes...