I know it's probably been discussed in the past and I'm way behind the power curve, but I didn't realize that SE has never beaten CB when they faced off. In 2014, 2015 and 2016 Lake Travis thumped Westlake pretty good. 2017 and 2018 BU lost, but SE didn't play or left the game really early. I'm betting that CB works his magic and dominates SE once again Saturday.
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Charlie vs Sam
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Last: 6 yr ago by Mr Tulip
A UT perspective on the matchup: https://hookemheadlines.com/2019/11/20/texas-football-3-reasons-sam-ehlinger-outplays-charlie-brewer/
Dumbest quote in the article, they think SE is just as good as Jalen Hurts:
Dumbest quote in the article, they think SE is just as good as Jalen Hurts:
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Baylor was gashed last week by a powerful dual-threat quarterback in Oklahoma's Jalen Hurts. Ehlinger is a similar power-running style as Hurts.
Exactly - I'm lmao! That's why OU is 9-1, and UT isn't - there is NO comparison. Let them think what they want, I honestly believe they are about to run into a pack of very angry bears...
Six weeks ago the same people looking at the world through burnt orange colored glasses were complaining that Ehlinger wasn't getting enough Heisman mention. At least they stopped with that tripe.
Sam Ehlinger is a much better all around QB than Jalen Hurts. That hasn't been Texas' problem.
For a large part of this season, Texas has been without four, sometimes 5 starters on defense. Going into the season, they were going to be young. After the oSu game, even the youngsters were largely out. At the critical end of the TCU game, superstar TCU receiver Jalen Reagor was matched up on a summer enrollee. A predictable TD was the result.
The Texas defense is largely healed now, although some players are still experiencing nagging injuries. I feel this game will largely turn on the offensive side.
Texas has been without starting RG Junior Angilou for the last two games with a sprained MCL. He should return for this game, but I don't know how effective he'll be. The larger problem is the injury to TE Cade Brewer. He was the only TE Texas could count on to block as well as catch passes. Texas moved to a largely 4WR set in the 2nd half of ISU and had success. It remains to be seen if Tom Herman adapts his offense to run with those players, or still insists his offense can run power at will.
For a large part of this season, Texas has been without four, sometimes 5 starters on defense. Going into the season, they were going to be young. After the oSu game, even the youngsters were largely out. At the critical end of the TCU game, superstar TCU receiver Jalen Reagor was matched up on a summer enrollee. A predictable TD was the result.
The Texas defense is largely healed now, although some players are still experiencing nagging injuries. I feel this game will largely turn on the offensive side.
Texas has been without starting RG Junior Angilou for the last two games with a sprained MCL. He should return for this game, but I don't know how effective he'll be. The larger problem is the injury to TE Cade Brewer. He was the only TE Texas could count on to block as well as catch passes. Texas moved to a largely 4WR set in the 2nd half of ISU and had success. It remains to be seen if Tom Herman adapts his offense to run with those players, or still insists his offense can run power at will.
I like our chances. The cows are a dumpster fire and the gasoline keeps dripping on it. Charlie is hands down the better QB, sam is just heavier. Blitz often since tu is sack prone. "We're baaaaaaack......"
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Mr Tulip said:
Sam Ehlinger is a much better all around QB than Jalen Hurts. That hasn't been Texas' problem.
For a large part of this season, Texas has been without four, sometimes 5 starters on defense. Going into the season, they were going to be young. After the oSu game, even the youngsters were largely out. At the critical end of the TCU game, superstar TCU receiver Jalen Reagor was matched up on a summer enrollee. A predictable TD was the result.
The Texas defense is largely healed now, although some players are still experiencing nagging injuries. I feel this game will largely turn on the offensive side.
Texas has been without starting RG Junior Angilou for the last two games with a sprained MCL. He should return for this game, but I don't know how effective he'll be. The larger problem is the injury to TE Cade Brewer. He was the only TE Texas could count on to block as well as catch passes. Texas moved to a largely 4WR set in the 2nd half of ISU and had success. It remains to be seen if Tom Herman adapts his offense to run with those players, or still insists his offense can run power at will.
You think he is a much better QB than Hurts?? I think he is good, I don't think Hurts is worse than him. Just my opinion, I'm not QB guru.
I didn't intend that to sound like a diss on Jalen. He does what he needs to do in that offense.
When CeeDee Lamb is on your team, what you need to do is see if you can throw it to him. If you can't, take off and run.
Frankly, Texas would be better if Sam quit trying to find the perfect play and settled for a violently executed pretty good one. His coaches have him overthinking the problem, and it's costing him his athleticism.
Mack Brown famously showed Vince Young his high school tapes after an ugly Missouri game. He asked Vince what needed to happen to get that type of play out of him. Vince told him, "Coach, you gotta let me play the game my way!". VY wouldn't lose another game at Texas.
This is still a game played by 18-22 year old males. Sometimes, as a coach, you have to let them test their talents.
When CeeDee Lamb is on your team, what you need to do is see if you can throw it to him. If you can't, take off and run.
Frankly, Texas would be better if Sam quit trying to find the perfect play and settled for a violently executed pretty good one. His coaches have him overthinking the problem, and it's costing him his athleticism.
Mack Brown famously showed Vince Young his high school tapes after an ugly Missouri game. He asked Vince what needed to happen to get that type of play out of him. Vince told him, "Coach, you gotta let me play the game my way!". VY wouldn't lose another game at Texas.
This is still a game played by 18-22 year old males. Sometimes, as a coach, you have to let them test their talents.
Baylor has also been playing without starters. Poor excuse.Mr Tulip said:
Sam Ehlinger is a much better all around QB than Jalen Hurts. That hasn't been Texas' problem.
For a large part of this season, Texas has been without four, sometimes 5 starters on defense. Going into the season, they were going to be young. After the oSu game, even the youngsters were largely out. At the critical end of the TCU game, superstar TCU receiver Jalen Reagor was matched up on a summer enrollee. A predictable TD was the result.
The Texas defense is largely healed now, although some players are still experiencing nagging injuries. I feel this game will largely turn on the offensive side.
Texas has been without starting RG Junior Angilou for the last two games with a sprained MCL. He should return for this game, but I don't know how effective he'll be. The larger problem is the injury to TE Cade Brewer. He was the only TE Texas could count on to block as well as catch passes. Texas moved to a largely 4WR set in the 2nd half of ISU and had success. It remains to be seen if Tom Herman adapts his offense to run with those players, or still insists his offense can run power at will.
Mr Tulip said:
Sam Ehlinger is a much better all around QB than Jalen Hurts.
Mr Tulip said:
Sam Ehlinger is a much better all around QB than Jalen Hurts.
Who is Baylor's 3rd team QB? I apologize for not knowing the answer.
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Jacob ZenoRD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Who is Baylor's 3rd team QB? I apologize for not knowing the answer.
I'm not quite as dumb as I seem
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Who is Baylor's 3rd team QB? I apologize for not knowing the answer.
Jacob Zeno, I would expect.
Be honest - how many quarters of football have you watched SE play?
He's not flashy but he's very effective. Really good player.
He's not flashy but he's very effective. Really good player.
adambear said:
Be honest - how many quarters of football have you watched SE play?
He's not flashy but he's very effective. Really good player.
I've probably watched 8 quarters total...I think he is a good player. Reminds me of Tim Tebow but a much better thrower.
People laughing at this clearly haven't watched many games of either player this year. Hurts is a fantastic runner, but a very inconsistent passer with below average awareness. He flashed some of that against Baylor. Without his legs and CeeDee, OU would have been a very average team this year. SE has comparable skill as a runner and is a much more consistent and accurate passer. Don't just look at box scores, folks.Mr Tulip said:
Sam Ehlinger is a much better all around QB than Jalen Hurts.
Saying that someone is the same "style" QB as someone else doesn't mean they are on the same level. Both Sam and Jalen are power style runners. There is no doubting that statement. They have different skill levels but a similar style.
Sorry Tulip, but I found your post hilarious.Mr Tulip said:
Sam Ehlinger is a much better all around QB than Jalen Hurts. That hasn't been Texas' problem.
For a large part of this season, Texas has been without four, sometimes 5 starters on defense. Going into the season, they were going to be young. After the oSu game, even the youngsters were largely out. At the critical end of the TCU game, superstar TCU receiver Jalen Reagor was matched up on a summer enrollee. A predictable TD was the result.
The Texas defense is largely healed now, although some players are still experiencing nagging injuries. I feel this game will largely turn on the offensive side.
Texas has been without starting RG Junior Angilou for the last two games with a sprained MCL. He should return for this game, but I don't know how effective he'll be. The larger problem is the injury to TE Cade Brewer. He was the only TE Texas could count on to block as well as catch passes. Texas moved to a largely 4WR set in the 2nd half of ISU and had success. It remains to be seen if Tom Herman adapts his offense to run with those players, or still insists his offense can run power at will.
How can you have a top 10 recruiting class each year, yet have no depth anywhere (according to UT fans)?
Yes, Baylor is very young, also. Despite being #1 in the Big 12 in Defense, we lost our co-best player (#4 LB Johnston) over a month ago. We survived on 3 star true Juniors & sophmores.
Don't be sorry. It's a football forum. Hilarity is what we do.
You can have a coach that signs 9 defensive tackles, and keeps 2 on the roster, for one thing. A lot of the guys Charlie recruited really liked him, but weren't all that hot at playing football. When Herman demanded they work, they packed up.
No one's actually sympathetic toward the Texas roster, and I'm not asking them to be. Just as thought experiment, though, remove the top 5 defensive backs from Baylor's roster, and then see how you'd game plan a defense.
College football can't prevent roster turnover. It's built into the description, and with the portal and other rules, it's only going to increase. The best programs, though, feature a lot of coaching stability. That's one thing Texas lacked over the last decade. To hear Texas fans tell it, we really should just dig the whole thing up, plant marigolds, and forget we ever even tried to play football. I'm suggesting there are both internal and external factors for why things aren't championship caliber right now, but there's decent chance it will be quickly.
You can have a coach that signs 9 defensive tackles, and keeps 2 on the roster, for one thing. A lot of the guys Charlie recruited really liked him, but weren't all that hot at playing football. When Herman demanded they work, they packed up.
No one's actually sympathetic toward the Texas roster, and I'm not asking them to be. Just as thought experiment, though, remove the top 5 defensive backs from Baylor's roster, and then see how you'd game plan a defense.
College football can't prevent roster turnover. It's built into the description, and with the portal and other rules, it's only going to increase. The best programs, though, feature a lot of coaching stability. That's one thing Texas lacked over the last decade. To hear Texas fans tell it, we really should just dig the whole thing up, plant marigolds, and forget we ever even tried to play football. I'm suggesting there are both internal and external factors for why things aren't championship caliber right now, but there's decent chance it will be quickly.
This excerpt made me laugh:
"Texas football tends to get the best of Brewer and the Bears under the direction of Herman. The career record for Herman against Baylor is 2-0. And those two wins came by a margin of more than four scores."
Dude, it's a two game sample size. And saying those "two wins came from a margin of more than four scores" is a misleading way to say it. There was a blowout by 4+ scores in 2017 when we were 0-8. Last year was a one possession game with multiple shots to the endzone at the end of the 4th for Baylor.
I like Ehlinger, and think him vs Brewer will be exciting but this guys "3 points" are laughable.
"Texas football tends to get the best of Brewer and the Bears under the direction of Herman. The career record for Herman against Baylor is 2-0. And those two wins came by a margin of more than four scores."
Dude, it's a two game sample size. And saying those "two wins came from a margin of more than four scores" is a misleading way to say it. There was a blowout by 4+ scores in 2017 when we were 0-8. Last year was a one possession game with multiple shots to the endzone at the end of the 4th for Baylor.
I like Ehlinger, and think him vs Brewer will be exciting but this guys "3 points" are laughable.
Offensive:
1. Causing someone to feel deeply hurt, upset, or angry
2. Actively aggressive, attacking.
I hope our OFFENSE is #2, and not the #1. We met both of those definitions in the OU game. I hope our OCs (or whatever we have) don't cause my eyes to bleed again like they did that second half of the OU game. Texas is bottom of the Big 12 in both run and pass D, I believe. This shouldn't be that complicated. When OU took Charlie's running game out, we crumbled. I imagine Texas will try to do the same. I have faith in Charlie's arm and accuracy. Our D will be fine against SE unless they get put in the same exhausted position as the OU game. Cause I agree with Mr.Tulip, SE is probably more dangerous than Hurts. I hope our D is wore out because we are scoring so fast they cant rest. Cause if we revert to our 3&Out offense then the fighting Sams will make this closer than it should be.
1. Causing someone to feel deeply hurt, upset, or angry
2. Actively aggressive, attacking.
I hope our OFFENSE is #2, and not the #1. We met both of those definitions in the OU game. I hope our OCs (or whatever we have) don't cause my eyes to bleed again like they did that second half of the OU game. Texas is bottom of the Big 12 in both run and pass D, I believe. This shouldn't be that complicated. When OU took Charlie's running game out, we crumbled. I imagine Texas will try to do the same. I have faith in Charlie's arm and accuracy. Our D will be fine against SE unless they get put in the same exhausted position as the OU game. Cause I agree with Mr.Tulip, SE is probably more dangerous than Hurts. I hope our D is wore out because we are scoring so fast they cant rest. Cause if we revert to our 3&Out offense then the fighting Sams will make this closer than it should be.
Texas' defensive woes have largely come from a revolving door in the secondary leading to the infirmary. While it became a talent issue after a while, it was also a consistency issue. That is, a static defense in the Big 12 is a dead defense. In order to play dynamically (move around and disguise), players have to know their role and their buddy's role, too. Texas' defenders only had practice enough to master the basics, if that.
A lot of the talent is back. It remains to be seen how much this will improve consistency.
Texas hasn't typically had an issue with the run game, except when the lack of pass defense causes a light box due to prioritizing the secondary. On occasion, overeager blitzers will lose edge contain and allow the Big 12's dynamic QBs to spill into the open field.
Really, the Texas defense should look fairly familiar to Bears fans. They employ many of the same concepts with QB pressure developed largely through either sheer numbers or usually an attempt to disguise the initial pressure package.
A lot of the talent is back. It remains to be seen how much this will improve consistency.
Texas hasn't typically had an issue with the run game, except when the lack of pass defense causes a light box due to prioritizing the secondary. On occasion, overeager blitzers will lose edge contain and allow the Big 12's dynamic QBs to spill into the open field.
Really, the Texas defense should look fairly familiar to Bears fans. They employ many of the same concepts with QB pressure developed largely through either sheer numbers or usually an attempt to disguise the initial pressure package.
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