Yes, Cab's teams were undisciplined and played no defense. They were always capable like their coach of making odd mistakes.

BearTruth13 said:

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2013

TCU - Similar to this year, beat a bad TCU team (4-8) by 3 points.
OSU - Got blown by 32 on the road after the turf monster tackled Petty and the offense stalled.
UCF - Bortles picked apart our defense and we gave up 52 points.

2014

TCU - Great game but we did give up 58 points
WV - Gave up 41 points and offense stalled with penalties
Tech - Gave up 46 points and won by 2 against freshman Mahomes and 4-8 Tech; still think this game kept us out of the playoff
MSU - Gave up 42 points (21 in basically the 4th quarter)

Those teams had some amazing games but would put up 3 or so stinkers a year. And they would give up around 30 ppg.

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Actually, in the 2014 TCU game our D only gave up 44 points: 7 were on ST & 7 were their D. More importantly, their D gave up 61 points--including 24 answered in the last 11:38 of the game.

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clubhi said:

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Some of you guys need to go look at the 2013/2014 schedule again. It is simply incredible. You'd be surprised to see how many games our defense showed up to as well. For a recent comparison, we shut out Texas until they got a final 4th quarter TD

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That's a pretty special hot take, talk about a troll fail.

2013 UT was quarterbacked by Case McCoy and the game was played in freezing rain and sleet, no one could throw.

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McCoy threw for 54 yards on 34 attempts, but Petty threw for 287 yards and two TDs on 37 attempts in the 2013 game. Don't blame the weather.

Also, it was the 2014 game in Austin that Texas scored late to pull within 28-7. It was a defensive game that day and the weather was fine.

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it was case McCoy in sleet, he sucked and the weather made him completely impotent

2014 was Tyrone Swoopes, also an incompetent passer.

Neither of those teams remotely stack up with a Herman team, despite how underwhelming they are, they're better and have the best qb they've had since Colt McCoy.

Hey, to all you name callers , are you happy with Rhule's O scoring 3 TD's in the last 6 1/2 Q's ?

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Hey, to all you name callers , are you happy with Rhule's O scoring 3 TD's in the last 6 1/2 Q's ?

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We're happy with 10-1 and a spot to play for a Big 12 Championship.

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Hey, to all you name callers , are you happy with Rhule's O scoring 3 TD's in the last 6 1/2 Q's ?

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what a boring troll you are.

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clubhi said:

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Some of you guys need to go look at the 2013/2014 schedule again. It is simply incredible. You'd be surprised to see how many games our defense showed up to as well. For a recent comparison, we shut out Texas until they got a final 4th quarter TD

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2013

TCU - Similar to this year, beat a bad TCU team (4-8) by 3 points.
OSU - Got blown by 32 on the road after the turf monster tackled Petty and the offense stalled.
UCF - Bortles picked apart our defense and we gave up 52 points.

2014

TCU - Great game but we did give up 58 points
WV - Gave up 41 points and offense stalled with penalties
Tech - Gave up 46 points and won by 2 against freshman Mahomes and 4-8 Tech; still think this game kept us out of the playoff
MSU - Gave up 42 points (21 in basically the 4th quarter)

Those teams had some amazing games but would put up 3 or so stinkers a year. And they would give up around 30 ppg.

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PPG is not a good way to compare as those teams played extremely fast. Efficiencies are a much better statistic to look at. Overall efficiency rank for 2013/2014 was 3rd and 6th and this year's team is 16th. The offense is what is holding this team back.

That 2014 MSU game I feel was similar in some ways to this year's Oklahoma game. We tried to grind it out instead keeping the pedal on the gas. We should have went uptempo at least once in the 2nd half but then again we never really were able to get anything going.

Briles teams lived and died by the big play. This CMR team does not give up the big play. 2019 d-line vs 2013 or 2015 o-line would be epic. I suspect 2019 would lead in a low-scoring game at the end of the 3rd. 2019 D would tire in the 4th and lose by 3. 2019 offense is still too inconsistent.

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BearTruth13 said:

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clubhi said:

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Some of you guys need to go look at the 2013/2014 schedule again. It is simply incredible. You'd be surprised to see how many games our defense showed up to as well. For a recent comparison, we shut out Texas until they got a final 4th quarter TD

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2013

TCU - Similar to this year, beat a bad TCU team (4-8) by 3 points.
OSU - Got blown by 32 on the road after the turf monster tackled Petty and the offense stalled.
UCF - Bortles picked apart our defense and we gave up 52 points.

2014

TCU - Great game but we did give up 58 points
WV - Gave up 41 points and offense stalled with penalties
Tech - Gave up 46 points and won by 2 against freshman Mahomes and 4-8 Tech; still think this game kept us out of the playoff
MSU - Gave up 42 points (21 in basically the 4th quarter)

Those teams had some amazing games but would put up 3 or so stinkers a year. And they would give up around 30 ppg.

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PPG is not a good way to compare as those teams played extremely fast. Efficiencies are a much better statistic to look at. Overall efficiency rank for 2013/2014 was 3rd and 6th and this year's team is 16th. The offense is what is holding this team back.

That 2014 MSU game I feel was similar in some ways to this year's Oklahoma game. We tried to grind it out instead keeping the pedal on the gas. We should have went uptempo at least once in the 2nd half but then again we never really were able to get anything going.

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we came out in the 2nd half with a tempo look and promptly went 3 and out 2 times in a row, after fumbling on the first play the possession before that.

When I first noticed the thread title, I had no doubt the content would definitely be something that would draw our fan base closer together and united as One. And, it definitely lived up to its billing.

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Briles teams lived and died by the big play. This CMR team does not give up the big play. 2019 d-line vs 2013 or 2015 o-line would be epic. I suspect 2019 would lead in a low-scoring game at the end of the 3rd. 2019 D would tire in the 4th and lose by 3. 2019 offense is still too inconsistent.

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Yeah that's true not many big plays at all given up this year. I would love to see the stats on that comparing this year to last year. I think Oklahoma is the only team that is similar to what Baylor was. So your scenario is close to that game.

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OldBurlyBear86 said:

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no.

The 13/14 teams were the best we ever had.

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I'd have to say the first half of 15 was the best we ever had, but possibly the first half of 13 could have given them a run for their money. Injuries killed our chances for National glory.

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1/2 a season??????

Injuries?????

Oh, I forgot. Baylor did not start playing football until 2012 or 2013. My bad.

ImABearToo said:

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Baylor in those days was one or two QB injuries away from the title. I think this team would slow down Briles offense but the 2019 offense couldn't keep trading scores for a whole game with those teams.

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That Jethro Bodine staff thought we could get through a season with only 2 QBs while other B12 teams had as many as 6 active QBs. Brilliant.

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rckt24 said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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clubhi said:

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Some of you guys need to go look at the 2013/2014 schedule again. It is simply incredible. You'd be surprised to see how many games our defense showed up to as well. For a recent comparison, we shut out Texas until they got a final 4th quarter TD

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2013

TCU - Similar to this year, beat a bad TCU team (4-8) by 3 points.
OSU - Got blown by 32 on the road after the turf monster tackled Petty and the offense stalled.
UCF - Bortles picked apart our defense and we gave up 52 points.

2014

TCU - Great game but we did give up 58 points
WV - Gave up 41 points and offense stalled with penalties
Tech - Gave up 46 points and won by 2 against freshman Mahomes and 4-8 Tech; still think this game kept us out of the playoff
MSU - Gave up 42 points (21 in basically the 4th quarter)

Those teams had some amazing games but would put up 3 or so stinkers a year. And they would give up around 30 ppg.

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PPG is not a good way to compare as those teams played extremely fast. Efficiencies are a much better statistic to look at. Overall efficiency rank for 2013/2014 was 3rd and 6th and this year's team is 16th. The offense is what is holding this team back.

That 2014 MSU game I feel was similar in some ways to this year's Oklahoma game. We tried to grind it out instead keeping the pedal on the gas. We should have went uptempo at least once in the 2nd half but then again we never really were able to get anything going.

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we came out in the 2nd half with a tempo look and promptly went 3 and out 2 times in a row, after fumbling on the first play the possession before that.

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Ah ok I couldn't really remember.

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hodedofome said:

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OldBurlyBear86 said:

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no.

The 13/14 teams were the best we ever had.

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I'd have to say the first half of 15 was the best we ever had, but possibly the first half of 13 could have given them a run for their money. Injuries killed our chances for National glory.

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If Seth Russell didn't crack his neck..I think he would have gone to New York for Heisman ceremony. He had like what? 36 total tds in 7 games?

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Right.

If Robert Strait would have stayed straight and narrow he would have been Baylor's first Heisman.

If Kevin Steele had not lied on his resume he would still be coaching Baylor to National Championships.

If Art Briles would have introduced discipline and DEFENSE to any of his teams we would have won National Championships.

How about making your QB slide when you only have 2 QBs on the roster?

Thee University said:

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Oh, I forgot. Baylor did not start playing football until 2012 or 2013. My bad.

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Actually, it was 2011. Ever heard of RGIII?

hodedofome said:

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RedBear05 said:

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The real comparison would be, will CMR's 6th and 7th year at Baylor teams be better than CABs 13 & 14 teams?

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In Briles' defense he was starting from nothing. Horrid facilities, 15 years of failure and a fan base that had left. Although the scandal was a nuclear bomb of sorts, we still had the name, several 4* recruits and facilities to build from.

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CABers STILL lurk around in the dark corners of Waco.

Day 1,278 and still self flagellating?

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Thee University said:

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Oh, I forgot. Baylor did not start playing football until 2012 or 2013. My bad.

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Actually, it was 2011. Ever heard of RGIII?

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Some on here don't count 2011 because we lost 3 conference games.

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hodedofome said:

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OldBurlyBear86 said:

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no.

The 13/14 teams were the best we ever had.

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I'd have to say the first half of 15 was the best we ever had, but possibly the first half of 13 could have given them a run for their money. Injuries killed our chances for National glory.

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If Seth Russell didn't crack his neck..I think he would have gone to New York for Heisman ceremony. He had like what? 36 total tds in 7 games?

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I remain convinced that if Seth were healthy all of 2015, Baylor would have finished the season undefeated national champions and Seth would have won the Heisman.

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RedBear05 said:

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The real comparison would be, will CMR's 6th and 7th year at Baylor teams be better than CABs 13 & 14 teams?

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In Briles' defense he was starting from nothing. Horrid facilities, 15 years of failure and a fan base that had left. Although the scandal was a nuclear bomb of sorts, we still had the name, several 4* recruits and facilities to build from.

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BS. He had 3 or 4 1st rounders to build with.

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Michigan State was only the 4th quarter. If the game had ended after the 3rd, we would have had a huge win.

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You guys should have orgaized a climate change protest during the Cotton Bowl at halftime!!!!!!

Thee University said:

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historian said:

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Thee University said:

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Oh, I forgot. Baylor did not start playing football until 2012 or 2013. My bad.

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Actually, it was 2011. Ever heard of RGIII?

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Some on here don't count 2011 because we lost 3 conference games.

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We also had our first 10 win season since 1980 and our only ever Heisman. On top of that, there were 2 first rounders on that team. Compared to what Baylor had been since the great CGT, it was a stellar year.

Besides, I was just yanking your chain.

Thee University said:

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hodedofome said:

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RedBear05 said:

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The real comparison would be, will CMR's 6th and 7th year at Baylor teams be better than CABs 13 & 14 teams?

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In Briles' defense he was starting from nothing. Horrid facilities, 15 years of failure and a fan base that had left. Although the scandal was a nuclear bomb of sorts, we still had the name, several 4* recruits and facilities to build from.

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CABers STILL lurk around in the dark corners of Waco.

Day 1,278 and still self flagellating?

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You know we really don't want to see clips of the webcam in your office.

D. C. Bear said:

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ImABearToo said:

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Baylor in those days was one or two QB injuries away from the title. I think this team would slow down Briles offense but the 2019 offense couldn't keep trading scores for a whole game with those teams.

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This. Rhule has built a solid team, but not a conference champion or national championship contender. That's where the Baylor program was when the BOR flushed it.

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Rhule is one win away from a conference championship.

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Baylor isn't beating OU in the title game. They couldn't pull it off at home after being spotted a 24 point lead and multiple turnovers with their #1 receiver out.

applemacg4 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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applemacg4 said:

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ImABearToo said:

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Baylor in those days was one or two QB injuries away from the title. I think this team would slow down Briles offense but the 2019 offense couldn't keep trading scores for a whole game with those teams.

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This. Rhule has built a solid team, but not a conference champion or national championship contender. That's where the Baylor program was when the BOR flushed it.

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Rhule is one win away from a conference championship.

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Baylor isn't beating OU in the title game. They couldn't pull it off at home after being spotted a 24 point lead and multiple turnovers with their #1 receiver out.

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With your track record of bad hot takes, I'll take this because it almost guarantees a win.

applemacg4 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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applemacg4 said:

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ImABearToo said:

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Baylor in those days was one or two QB injuries away from the title. I think this team would slow down Briles offense but the 2019 offense couldn't keep trading scores for a whole game with those teams.

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This. Rhule has built a solid team, but not a conference champion or national championship contender. That's where the Baylor program was when the BOR flushed it.

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Rhule is one win away from a conference championship.

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Baylor isn't beating OU in the title game. They couldn't pull it off at home after being spotted a 24 point lead and multiple turnovers with their #1 receiver out.

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Another troll that thinks football began in 2011 and ended in 2015, you guys look beyond ridiculous at this point.

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The fact that we beat UNC with a completely new offense and basically w/out a QB, makes it one of the most impressive bowl victories in NCAA history.

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If my Burnet Junior High School 7th grade coach would have been coaching the Bears we would have beaten TCU and Texas and played in the Sugar Bowl that season. He would have made the "genious" move prior to the TCU game. TCU started a number of freshmen on defense that game, the monsoon winds and cold weather yet our genious had us throwing downfield and into the wind with a converted WR that played QB in high school????
The the mall fight when yet another WR was asked to do what he could not do????

Very impressive!

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Now if the question is whether this team is better than our 2013 or 2014...that is an entirely different question.

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TEAM means you have offense, defense and special teams.

applemacg4 said:

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ImABearToo said:

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Baylor in those days was one or two QB injuries away from the title. I think this team would slow down Briles offense but the 2019 offense couldn't keep trading scores for a whole game with those teams.

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This. Rhule has built a solid team, but not a conference champion or national championship contender. That's where the Baylor program was when the BOR flushed it.

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Briles and his gangbangers flushed it. Better yet, they managed to clog the toilet to where it backed up and overflowed all over Baylor alumni nationwide.

applemacg4 said:

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ImABearToo said:

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Baylor in those days was one or two QB injuries away from the title. I think this team would slow down Briles offense but the 2019 offense couldn't keep trading scores for a whole game with those teams.

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This. Rhule has built a solid team, but not a conference champion or national championship contender. That's where the Baylor program was when the BOR flushed it.

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you say that, but this team he has built will be playing for the conference title in 12 days, against a team that we can and should have beaten 9 days ago. Yes, they'll be getting their #1 receiver back, but I still think we have a team that very well could win that game. Win the next 2 and we have a 12-1 football team that can compete and beat any team in the country on a given day, except tOSU.

applemacg4 said:

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Baylor isn't beating OU in the title game. They couldn't pull it off at home after being spotted a 24 point lead and multiple turnovers with their #1 receiver out.

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Actually, Baylor had a 25 point lead.

It does not matter. December 7 will be a different game and another opportunity. I fully expect the team to take full advantage. Baylor has a better chance of winning this time.

I don't know why people described the 2015 TCU game weather as a monsoon--then or now. It was nothing of the kind. It was very cold and an extremely light but steady wind the entire time. The wind was almost like a mist it was so light but it did not let up and made the freezing temperatures that much worse.

historian said:

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applemacg4 said:

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Baylor isn't beating OU in the title game. They couldn't pull it off at home after being spotted a 24 point lead and multiple turnovers with their #1 receiver out.

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Actually, Baylor had a 25 point lead.

It does not matter. December 7 will be a different game and another opportunity. I fully expect the team to take full advantage. Baylor has a better chance of winning this time.

I don't know why people described the 2015 TCU game weather as a monsoon--then or now. It was nothing of the kind. It was very cold and an extremely light but steady wind the entire time. The wind was almost like a mist it was so light but it did not let up and made the freezing temperatures that much worse.

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Well, that and the fact that we had a 2 hour lightning delay and it rained almost 5 inches during the game. It was absolutely dreadful weather

Tough call. I love Rhule and Briles.

Feels as if B12 is weaker this year and I do wonder if that is part of our 10-1.

Briles' defense got much improved in the end stages. I think Briles wins.

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Besides, I was just yanking your chain.

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I like it when you do that!

hodedofome said:

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Thee University said:

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hodedofome said:

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RedBear05 said:

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The real comparison would be, will CMR's 6th and 7th year at Baylor teams be better than CABs 13 & 14 teams?

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In Briles' defense he was starting from nothing. Horrid facilities, 15 years of failure and a fan base that had left. Although the scandal was a nuclear bomb of sorts, we still had the name, several 4* recruits and facilities to build from.

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CABers STILL lurk around in the dark corners of Waco.

Day 1,278 and still self flagellating?

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You know we really don't want to see clips of the webcam in your office.

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Wait. My bad. That is a clip of the Mount Vernon ISD meeting.