So UT and OU already know they will make a boatload of money in the SEC. The other 8 schools don't know where they stand in potential realignment talks with respect to what they could bring to another conference. This toothless order keeps those 8 from determining where they stand and could potentially set them back a little in the negotiations for a potential landing spot when the B12 dissolves.
The Big 12 has sent a "cease and desist" letter to ESPN
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He is referring to ESPN talking mainly to AAC about trying to get other B12 members to leave so the conference will disband & OU/UT will not have to pay.
He is referring to ESPN talking mainly to AAC about trying to get other B12 members to leave so the conference will disband & OU/UT will not have to pay.
You could not be more wrong.contrario said:
So UT and OU already know they will make a boatload of money in the SEC. The other 8 schools don't know where they stand in potential realignment talks with respect to what they could bring to another conference. This toothless order keeps those 8 from determining where they stand and could potentially set them back a little in the negotiations for a potential landing spot when the B12 dissolves.
The Big 12 has "hard evidence" that the cows, OU and ESPN conspired to dissolve the Big 12 to their benefit. This is a lawyers dream. Somebody blew the whistle and it will cost ESPN and the cows a bunch of money. Much more than the $80 million they will owe trying to leave before 2025.
Today's developments are HUGE!!
Evidence is also out there that ESPN talking to the ACC and SEC. Very interesting.Sallred said:
He is referring to ESPN talking mainly to AAC about trying to get other B12 members to leave so the conference will disband & OU/UT will not have to pay.
A lawsuit could force ESPN to guarantee money to the BIG12 since what they did threatened future revenues and violated their contract with the the BIG12. You could have something like the remaining BIG12 schools get 80% or some such figure on per school basis of whatever ESPN gives the SEC. this gives the remaining 8 schools lots of leverage and since nothing can go down until 2025, we have time for lawsuits.
In other news, SEC’s 16-team league to be split into 4 pods & will be called:
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) July 28, 2021
E, S, P, N
IowaBear said:
Explain please, I'm not exactly full of knowledge when it comes to legal issues
Explain what exactly? Why hopefully the school or schools involved in this latest allegation recorded these conversations and turned them into the XII?
I suppose Espn promised the aac a juicy tv contract if the pick up said b12 members
Of course no where near what they will pay the sec.
Of course no where near what they will pay the sec.
I saw Corsicana Bear's reply and he is correct but you are too. The Lawyers got RICH! I hope the Big 12 lawyers get even more rich if they can wipe Herbstreits face off ESPN.oldbear69 said:
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gobears20 said:Bob Bowlsby in a phone interview on the cease-and-desist letter to ESPN: “It is absolutely obvious that ESPN has been in contact with at least one conference about destabilization of the Big 12 by taking three to five of our members to another conference." (more)
— Chuck Carlton (@ChuckCarltonDMN) July 28, 2021"I’m absolutely certain it has occurred. I have every belief that they were similarly involved in the UT and OU move to the SEC.”
— Chuck Carlton (@ChuckCarltonDMN) July 28, 2021
Chuck is exactly right - we need a lawsuit with discovery and people under oath and documents acquired by subpoena.
ESPN ringleader, SEC a co-conspirator, UT, and OU also co-conspirators. It's a civil conspiracy and collusion. There is A LOT of money that can be made here. IMO, the B12 has a big hammer, and should take nothing less than the $150mm. They would get more in a lawsuit because of their intentional conduct. The ONLY negotiation should be how fast we can get them out, but NOT the money.
What about the economic impact in each of the cities represented by each of the schools. Gonna have to be over a billion to make up for that loss.BUbackerinET said:gobears20 said:Bob Bowlsby in a phone interview on the cease-and-desist letter to ESPN: “It is absolutely obvious that ESPN has been in contact with at least one conference about destabilization of the Big 12 by taking three to five of our members to another conference." (more)
— Chuck Carlton (@ChuckCarltonDMN) July 28, 2021"I’m absolutely certain it has occurred. I have every belief that they were similarly involved in the UT and OU move to the SEC.”
— Chuck Carlton (@ChuckCarltonDMN) July 28, 2021
Chuck is exactly right - we need a lawsuit with discovery and people under oath and documents acquired by subpoena.
ESPN ringleader, SEC a co-conspirator, UT, and OU also co-conspirators. It's a civil conspiracy and collusion. There is A LOT of money that can be made here. IMO, the B12 has a big hammer, and should take nothing less than the $150mm. They would get more in a lawsuit because of their intentional conduct. The ONLY negotiation should be how fast we can get them out, but NOT the money.
gobears20 said:Source tells @Stadium Big 12 has advantage in legal dealings w/Texas & OU because "last thing (UT/OU) wants is to have a (university) president, AD or Board or Regents member testifying on stand with their right hand raised"
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) July 29, 2021
Big 12 May own ESPN after all of this
Tuesday night aggy and whorn games only!
I saw an interesting conspiracy theory from a UCF fan on Twitter. He was wondering if it might have been one of the schools that potentially heading in the other direction (from the AAC to the Big 12) that tipped off the Bowlsby. I'm not sure I buy that, but stranger things have happened.PartyBear said:The the XII school/s involved were hopefully recording these conversations and acted as full blown informants.IowaBear said:
I hope for the B12's sake Bowlsby and co get the absolute best of the best lawyers because ESPN/SEC are going to deny this to no end
I'm going with the idea it was an eggy!bear2be2 said:I saw an interesting conspiracy theory from a UCF fan on Twitter. He was wondering if it might have been one of the schools that potentially heading in the other direction (from the AAC to the Big 12) that tipped off the Bowlsby. I'm not sure I buy that, but stranger things have happened.PartyBear said:The the XII school/s involved were hopefully recording these conversations and acted as full blown informants.IowaBear said:
I hope for the B12's sake Bowlsby and co get the absolute best of the best lawyers because ESPN/SEC are going to deny this to no end
Google Pennzoil v Texaco. Tortious interference can be devastating. Hire Nix Patterson or Umphrey's law firm or some other big time plaintiff's firm in West Virginia. Get venue in West Virginia and file in a good plaintiffs friendly federal court there. Don't file in Texas. We don't want to go the the 5th Circuit on appeal.
If the facts justify, this could be more fun than 61-58.
Abner McCall must be rolling over in his grave and laughing out loud.
Horns Down!
If the facts justify, this could be more fun than 61-58.
Abner McCall must be rolling over in his grave and laughing out loud.
Horns Down!
ESPN are the dirtbags we've always known they are.
BearFan33 said:
I suppose Espn promised the aac a juicy tv contract if the pick up said b12 members
Of course no where near what they will pay the sec.
Or what they pay the Big 12 now.
It might also crater at expiration when they're merely paying for the product instead paying to get the SEC deal done.
And they work on many levels. The motivation for the remaining 8 schools to close ranks and preserve the Big Whatever It Turns Out To Be is mounting, and that's nothing but good.CTbruin said:You could not be more wrong.contrario said:
So UT and OU already know they will make a boatload of money in the SEC. The other 8 schools don't know where they stand in potential realignment talks with respect to what they could bring to another conference. This toothless order keeps those 8 from determining where they stand and could potentially set them back a little in the negotiations for a potential landing spot when the B12 dissolves.
The Big 12 has "hard evidence" that the cows, OU and ESPN conspired to dissolve the Big 12 to their benefit. This is a lawyers dream. Somebody blew the whistle and it will cost ESPN and the cows a bunch of money. Much more than the $80 million they will owe trying to leave before 2025.
Today's developments are HUGE!!
The evil forces were counting on the remaining eight to be selfish cowards and break ranks like they would faced with a similar prisoner's dilemma. If the eight stay strong and stay together it will benefit them and foil the evil plot.
Three-vil alliance. Ou Texas ESPN.
bear2be2 said:I saw an interesting conspiracy theory from a UCF fan on Twitter. He was wondering if it might have been one of the schools that potentially heading in the other direction (from the AAC to the Big 12) that tipped off the Bowlsby. I'm not sure I buy that, but stranger things have happened.PartyBear said:The the XII school/s involved were hopefully recording these conversations and acted as full blown informants.IowaBear said:
I hope for the B12's sake Bowlsby and co get the absolute best of the best lawyers because ESPN/SEC are going to deny this to no end
The XII adding teams wouldn't be destroying the conf and helping Texas and OU out of the GOR. It would also seem the AAC would have the suit if it was ESPN recruiting members to seek XII membership.
PartyBear said:bear2be2 said:I saw an interesting conspiracy theory from a UCF fan on Twitter. He was wondering if it might have been one of the schools that potentially heading in the other direction (from the AAC to the Big 12) that tipped off the Bowlsby. I'm not sure I buy that, but stranger things have happened.PartyBear said:The the XII school/s involved were hopefully recording these conversations and acted as full blown informants.IowaBear said:
I hope for the B12's sake Bowlsby and co get the absolute best of the best lawyers because ESPN/SEC are going to deny this to no end
The XII adding teams wouldn't be destroying the conf and helping Texas and OU out of the GOR. It would also seem the AAC would have the suit if it was ESPN recruiting members to seek XII membership.
UCF would be heading here and trying to help the Big 12 by telling us what ESPN was doing by trying to give the AAC a raise to help kill our conference.
Assuming all of that is true.
Multiple sources confirmed to @TheAthletic the AAC has attempted to engage with three to five Big 12 members.
— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) July 29, 2021
@max_olson spoke with Bob Bowlsby about ESPN’s role. https://t.co/VpsRLB5U8s
Bob Bowlsby on when Texas and Oklahoma will exit the Big 12:
— Max Olson (@max_olson) July 29, 2021
“They’re gonna do everything they can to get out before 2025. It’ll be interesting to see what they try."https://t.co/QLylePVQ9w
There ain't no way to hold them back until 2025, but it would be hilarious if we could. They would be so miserable and salty.
That wasn't what he was trying to say. He was suggesting a team being invited from the AAC tipped off the Big 12 to ESPN's plan.PartyBear said:bear2be2 said:I saw an interesting conspiracy theory from a UCF fan on Twitter. He was wondering if it might have been one of the schools that potentially heading in the other direction (from the AAC to the Big 12) that tipped off the Bowlsby. I'm not sure I buy that, but stranger things have happened.PartyBear said:The the XII school/s involved were hopefully recording these conversations and acted as full blown informants.IowaBear said:
I hope for the B12's sake Bowlsby and co get the absolute best of the best lawyers because ESPN/SEC are going to deny this to no end
The XII adding teams wouldn't be destroying the conf and helping Texas and OU out of the GOR. It would also seem the AAC would have the suit if it was ESPN recruiting members to seek XII membership.
It's unlikely, but an interesting idea nonetheless.
Nevermind. Fake news.
It's clear now the @Big12Conference is going to fight to the death. This could be a long, drawn out process.
— Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) July 29, 2021
Aliceinbubbleland said:MAJOR #BREAKING NEWS…@espn in hot water, likely tortious interference with contract litigation with #Big12 over efforts of #ESPN to break it up. Sources in Bristol, CT confirm that the school contacted was #OklahomaState, who has almost finalized negotiations with the #Pac12.
— Jim Howington (@jim_howington) July 29, 2021
Is this guy a real reporter?
It's being now reported this was fake.
always check follower count and no. blue check mark a step above tooboognish_bear said:Aliceinbubbleland said:MAJOR #BREAKING NEWS…@espn in hot water, likely tortious interference with contract litigation with #Big12 over efforts of #ESPN to break it up. Sources in Bristol, CT confirm that the school contacted was #OklahomaState, who has almost finalized negotiations with the #Pac12.
— Jim Howington (@jim_howington) July 29, 2021
Is this guy a real reporter?
BylrFan said:always check follower count and no. blue check mark a step above tooboognish_bear said:Aliceinbubbleland said:MAJOR #BREAKING NEWS…@espn in hot water, likely tortious interference with contract litigation with #Big12 over efforts of #ESPN to break it up. Sources in Bristol, CT confirm that the school contacted was #OklahomaState, who has almost finalized negotiations with the #Pac12.
— Jim Howington (@jim_howington) July 29, 2021
Is this guy a real reporter?
Yep. All kinds of stuff being thrown out by unverified accounts
I’ve been told by sources close to the situation that #TexasTech athletic director Kirby Hocutt has had private conversations with #Pac12 officials about the #RedRaiders leaving the #Big12 to join the Pacific 12 by 2024-2025. More to come soon. @kirbyhocutt #BreakingNews #NCAA pic.twitter.com/JxxdHvqW4a
— W. Keith Friedman (@WalterKFriedman) July 27, 2021
Oklahoma & Texas Presidents to SEC: pic.twitter.com/7AzFHlyqlK
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) July 29, 2021
Now that's funny.
Very familiar with the family in that legal case too... their lawyer was a Jamail.
Would love to see ESPN/UT get taken to the woodshed.
Would love to see ESPN/UT get taken to the woodshed.
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