The report was what one might expect one to say in the absence of real findings. The news today lacked specificity.
ImABearToo said:
By Mac EngelAugust 11, 2021 01:35 PM
Former Baylor head coach Art Briles was cleared by the NCAA in its ruling on Wednesday regarding its investigation into the school for sexual assault claims during his tenure.
yesAdriacus Peratuun said:
How can he & his lawyer be SOOOOOOOOOOOO stupid.
Sit quietly, let it go away, apply for jobs. Poking the buzzing hornet's nest is beyond idiotic.
coldhardtruth said:
Everyone who has read the report, instead of some carefully chosen blips and blurbs, should be able to agree on two things:
1) Baylor administration and the BoR failed Baylor University.
2) Briles and several members of his staff failed Baylor University.
One would hope that we, as graduates and champions for Baylor, can finally put all the bickering, personal attacks, and devise language aside and continue to support Baylor University and hold those in power accountable.
Sic'em yesterday, Sic'em today, and Sic'em forever!
Not one, single, teeny-tiny thing.CTbruin said:
Every allegation was investigated by the police. Every one. Only 2 had enough evidence to be prosecuted. 1 was convicted.
And that continues to be ignored by many.
What am I missing?
Tevin ElliottCTbruin said:
Every allegation was investigated by the police. Every one. Only 2 had enough evidence to be prosecuted. 1 was convicted.
And that continues to be ignored by many.
What am I missing?
canoso said:Not one, single, teeny-tiny thing.CTbruin said:
Every allegation was investigated by the police. Every one. Only 2 had enough evidence to be prosecuted. 1 was convicted.
And that continues to be ignored by many.
What am I missing?
Dia del DougO said:
And that Chris Peterson called Briles to help Sam transfer to Baylor, but somehow never got any scrutiny by the media, which was in full-on smear mode against Baylor and Briles.
https://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/sam-ukwuachu-suicidal-depressed-boise-state/271283
Brian Ethridge said:Dia del DougO said:
And that Chris Peterson called Briles to help Sam transfer to Baylor, but somehow never got any scrutiny by the media, which was in full-on smear mode against Baylor and Briles.
https://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/sam-ukwuachu-suicidal-depressed-boise-state/271283
Yeah, what he told was never said. He shifted that narrative right off him and onto Art.
boognish_bear said:ImABearToo said:
By Mac EngelAugust 11, 2021 01:35 PM
Former Baylor head coach Art Briles was cleared by the NCAA in its ruling on Wednesday regarding its investigation into the school for sexual assault claims during his tenure.
Have you read the actual COI report?
https://apnews.com/article/sports-college-football-baylor-bears-football-b7d5a7ba4a7b1377dbf373dc41ca97ad
In its 51-page report, the infractions committee didn't hold back on Briles.
"In each instance, when the head coach received information from a staff member regarding potential criminal conduct by a football student-athlete, he did not report the information and did not personally look any further into the matter," the panel said. "His incurious attitude toward potential criminal conduct by his student-athletes was deeply troubling to the panel.
"As one panel member observed at the hearing when questioning the head coach's lack of response to this information, 'a lot of these things that we're talking about, they're not NCAA rules violations . . . (or) university policy violations. They're felonies. (W)e're talking about rapes and physical assaults,'" according to the report. "The head coach failed to meet even the most basic expectations of how a person should react to the kind of conduct at issue in this case. Furthermore, as a campus leader, the head coach is held to an even higher standard. He completely failed to meet this standard."
Baylor3216 said:boognish_bear said:ImABearToo said:
By Mac EngelAugust 11, 2021 01:35 PM
Former Baylor head coach Art Briles was cleared by the NCAA in its ruling on Wednesday regarding its investigation into the school for sexual assault claims during his tenure.
Have you read the actual COI report?
https://apnews.com/article/sports-college-football-baylor-bears-football-b7d5a7ba4a7b1377dbf373dc41ca97ad
In its 51-page report, the infractions committee didn't hold back on Briles.
"In each instance, when the head coach received information from a staff member regarding potential criminal conduct by a football student-athlete, he did not report the information and did not personally look any further into the matter," the panel said. "His incurious attitude toward potential criminal conduct by his student-athletes was deeply troubling to the panel.
"As one panel member observed at the hearing when questioning the head coach's lack of response to this information, 'a lot of these things that we're talking about, they're not NCAA rules violations . . . (or) university policy violations. They're felonies. (W)e're talking about rapes and physical assaults,'" according to the report. "The head coach failed to meet even the most basic expectations of how a person should react to the kind of conduct at issue in this case. Furthermore, as a campus leader, the head coach is held to an even higher standard. He completely failed to meet this standard."
If there were 52 rapes as was said repeatedly to help Oklahoma and Texas once again win football games, and tevin Elliott (?) was one of the 52, we have a **** all legal system that 51 rapes went off Scott free and unaccounted for.
Briles gone. Not a single sexual assault has occurred since that the media cared to defend the victims in nearing a decade now.
It's amazing.
Robert Wilson said:Baylor3216 said:boognish_bear said:ImABearToo said:
By Mac EngelAugust 11, 2021 01:35 PM
Former Baylor head coach Art Briles was cleared by the NCAA in its ruling on Wednesday regarding its investigation into the school for sexual assault claims during his tenure.
Have you read the actual COI report?
https://apnews.com/article/sports-college-football-baylor-bears-football-b7d5a7ba4a7b1377dbf373dc41ca97ad
In its 51-page report, the infractions committee didn't hold back on Briles.
"In each instance, when the head coach received information from a staff member regarding potential criminal conduct by a football student-athlete, he did not report the information and did not personally look any further into the matter," the panel said. "His incurious attitude toward potential criminal conduct by his student-athletes was deeply troubling to the panel.
"As one panel member observed at the hearing when questioning the head coach's lack of response to this information, 'a lot of these things that we're talking about, they're not NCAA rules violations . . . (or) university policy violations. They're felonies. (W)e're talking about rapes and physical assaults,'" according to the report. "The head coach failed to meet even the most basic expectations of how a person should react to the kind of conduct at issue in this case. Furthermore, as a campus leader, the head coach is held to an even higher standard. He completely failed to meet this standard."
If there were 52 rapes as was said repeatedly to help Oklahoma and Texas once again win football games, and tevin Elliott (?) was one of the 52, we have a **** all legal system that 51 rapes went off Scott free and unaccounted for.
Briles gone. Not a single sexual assault has occurred since that the media cared to defend the victims in nearing a decade now.
It's amazing.
Here's the thing. The 52 was bull****, and there have been alleged sexual assaults since then, as there have been at every other D1 school in the country. We're just God awful at telling or defending a narrative.
canoso said:Not one, single, teeny-tiny thing.CTbruin said:
Every allegation was investigated by the police. Every one. Only 2 had enough evidence to be prosecuted. 1 was convicted.
And that continues to be ignored by many.
What am I missing?
He is a football coach, he wants to coach. No matter how much money they have, a football coach is a football coach at heart. Bowden, Spurrier, Holtz, Switzer, Mack Brown, Joe Gibbs and you can name hundreds of others. They don't need the money, the money is a by-product for them.Adriacus Peratuun said:Except I wasn't referencing his settlement. I was referencing his stated desire to get back into coaching CFB.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Art and his lawyers were not that stupid. They left with $17.9 million of Baylor's money. It should have been more. Hornets is not the word I would use to describe Baylor's leadership.Adriacus Peratuun said:
How can he & his lawyer be SOOOOOOOOOOOO stupid.
Sit quietly, let it go away, apply for jobs. Poking the buzzing hornet's nest is beyond idiotic.
The former is done. Current statements don't impact it.
The latter remains a goal. Today's actions clearly impact it.
Hornets.......social media outrage machine, not Baylor. SMH.
Thee University said:
It has now been 1,914 days. Get on with your lives. He ain't coming back and does not deserve to be a head coach at Baylor University.
He could have avoided this entire fiasco had he not ignored a raging fire burning in his own backyard. Of course a decent Athletic Director should have held his hand and guided him through the land mine field that is undisciplined student athletes. A decent university President should have spanked his pencil-necked AD's @$$ to head the known brewing problems off at the pass.
Plenty of blame to go around. This clown show did this to themselves. Nobody to blame but themselves.
Don't let 1,915 days come and find yourself STILL curled up in a pansy-@$$ fetal position ball sucking on your thumbs! Good grief. Be a grown @$$ man for the first time in over 5 years. You guys are embarrassing yourselves!
Adriacus Peratuun said:Tevin ElliottCTbruin said:
Every allegation was investigated by the police. Every one. Only 2 had enough evidence to be prosecuted. 1 was convicted.
And that continues to be ignored by many.
What am I missing?
Sam Ukwuachu
Both were convicted. Not a big difference, but a difference.
ImABearToo said:
I don't have the facts to support it but this minimal number of arrests and convictions seems far less than the numbers I recall hearing coming out of Austin during Browns era, OU under Stoops and others, TCU, aggy, et al
we got busted for A dude cheating on a test and a bunch of hot "welcome" gals and it'll cost us 5 grand.
A couple years ago a frat boy was accused of rape (non athlete) & got off lightly.Robert Wilson said:Here's the thing. The 52 was bull****, and there have been alleged sexual assaults since then, as there have been at every other D1 school in the country. We're just God awful at telling or defending a narrative.Baylor3216 said:If there were 52 rapes as was said repeatedly to help Oklahoma and Texas once again win football games, and tevin Elliott (?) was one of the 52, we have a **** all legal system that 51 rapes went off Scott free and unaccounted for.boognish_bear said:Have you read the actual COI report?ImABearToo said:
By Mac EngelAugust 11, 2021 01:35 PM
Former Baylor head coach Art Briles was cleared by the NCAA in its ruling on Wednesday regarding its investigation into the school for sexual assault claims during his tenure.
https://apnews.com/article/sports-college-football-baylor-bears-football-b7d5a7ba4a7b1377dbf373dc41ca97ad
In its 51-page report, the infractions committee didn't hold back on Briles.
"In each instance, when the head coach received information from a staff member regarding potential criminal conduct by a football student-athlete, he did not report the information and did not personally look any further into the matter," the panel said. "His incurious attitude toward potential criminal conduct by his student-athletes was deeply troubling to the panel.
"As one panel member observed at the hearing when questioning the head coach's lack of response to this information, 'a lot of these things that we're talking about, they're not NCAA rules violations . . . (or) university policy violations. They're felonies. (W)e're talking about rapes and physical assaults,'" according to the report. "The head coach failed to meet even the most basic expectations of how a person should react to the kind of conduct at issue in this case. Furthermore, as a campus leader, the head coach is held to an even higher standard. He completely failed to meet this standard."
Briles gone. Not a single sexual assault has occurred since that the media cared to defend the victims in nearing a decade now.
It's amazing.
All you need to know about that one. McLennan County jury gave him 6 months and there were a ton of problems with that case. Thing was a total mess. There was also nothing there to hang on the football program - just a messy set of facts of the type that plays out on college campus all over the country all the time, sadly enough. The fact that we let that fact pattern be the bell cow that blew this whole thing up speaks to what an absolutely Grade A disaster our PR and crisis management was.historian said:Sam's conviction was overturned on appeal. Twice. The reinstated twice. All this happened after he served his full term of 6 months.Adriacus Peratuun said:Tevin ElliottCTbruin said:
Every allegation was investigated by the police. Every one. Only 2 had enough evidence to be prosecuted. 1 was convicted.
And that continues to be ignored by many.
What am I missing?
Sam Ukwuachu
Both were convicted. Not a big difference, but a difference.
Baylor3216 said:boognish_bear said:
For whatever reason Mac Engel over the last few years has taken an interest in seeing CAB in a different light than most in the mediaArt Briles via text:
— Mac Engel (@MacEngelProf) August 11, 2021
"Small window of hope, feels Large."
And more ..#Baylor #SicEm #NCAA
https://t.co/PnNZb1Frdt
Ex-Baylor coach Art Briles: "NCAA found no wrongdoing or violations for a reason."
By Mac EngelAugust 11, 2021 01:35 PM
Former Baylor head coach Art Briles was cleared by the NCAA in its ruling on Wednesday regarding its investigation into the school for sexual assault claims during his tenure. The school received a light punishment from the NCAA.
Baylor's great year continues with a title in men's basketball, and a satin pillow slap from the NCAA in an investigation that should have ended years ago.
On Wednesday, the NCAA finally announced its ruling from its investigation into the Baylor athletic department and former football coach Art Briles that began back in 2018 regarding sexual assault claims, and a failure to comply with Title IX laws.
In case you are wondering, it's now August of 2021.
Baylor always figured the best way around all of this was to fire Art Briles. In the end, they were right, but their callus methods cost them millions, and the best football coach they ever had.
Baylor needed to update its attitude towards sexual assault claims, which it has done, but how the school arrived to this point would provide a semester's worth of material for a college PR class.
The "penalties" for Baylor include four years of probation, recruiting restrictions, a vacation of records and a five-year show-cause order limiting all athletically related duties for the former assistant director of football operations.
The best part, a $5,000 fine. For Baylor.
If you are doing the math at home, both Baylor University and now the NCAA have admitted that Briles did nothing wrong in this case.
He has not had a major coaching job since he was fired in May of 2016.
"I'm no doubt, the most scrutinized and investigated college head Coach in last 25 years," Briles said via text message. "NCAA found no wrongdoing or violations for a reason.
"Small window of hope, feels large. Mom (and) Dad smiling today in Heaven."
Baylor always had hoped it could rely on the North Carolina model to escape major penalty, which is exactly how this played out.
North Carolina escaped any NCAA penalties in its academic fraud case back in 2017 because there was nothing the athletic department did that technically violated the rule book.
There are no exact rules in the large NCAA rule book that Baylor technically violated.
The closest rule Baylor violated would have been the vague "lack of institutional control." In this case, the behavior of certain members of the Baylor board was in question.
To penalize a school for the behavior of its board members would have potentially set a precedent, and start a legal fight the NCAA does not want.
The NCAA wrote about its findings, "Baylor admitted to moral and ethical failings in its handling of sexual and interpersonal violence on campus but argued those failings, however egregious, did not constitute violations of NCAA rules.
"Ultimately, and with tremendous reluctance, this panel agrees. To arrive at a different outcome would require the (committee) to ignore the rules the Association's membership has adopted -- rules under which the (committee) is required to adjudicate. Such an outcome would be antithetical to the integrity of the infractions process."
Baylor's case may have been aided, immeasurably, by the fact that current BU president Linda Livingstone was recently named to the NCAA's 23-member Constitution Committee.
Former Baylor athletic director Ian McCaw, who is now the AD at Liberty, resigned from his position at BU amid the fallout from this.
He said via text message, "It is tragic that Baylor's decades-long, campus-wide sexual assault scandal arose due to systemic failings in campus safety and institutional adjudicatory processes as outlined in the 2014 Margolis Healy report."
The Margolis Healy report detailed many of the problems Baylor either denied, and have since tried to deal with, regarding sexual assault claims from its students.
Briles' lawyer, Scott Tompsett, said in a statement, "Art Briles has been completely exonerated and cleared of all NCAA violations alleged against him. As the NCAA Committee on Infractions explained, the conduct at issue was pervasive and widespread throughout the Baylor campus, and it was condoned or ignored by the highest levels of Baylor's leadership.
"The NCAA's decision today clears the way for Mr. Briles to return to coaching college football."
The NCAA's decision is also the biggest win for Baylor in a year where it won a national title.
In case y'all don't recall, this ****** was the loudest voice in DFW screaming "crucify him" about Art Briles in 2016
#Baylor fans are celebrating what they believe to be a total exoneration of Art Briles. #SicEm pic.twitter.com/01Ywb5ByKL
— Message Board Geniuses (@BoardGeniuses) August 12, 2021
DanaDane said:#Baylor fans are celebrating what they believe to be a total exoneration of Art Briles. #SicEm pic.twitter.com/01Ywb5ByKL
— Message Board Geniuses (@BoardGeniuses) August 12, 2021
Scott S - OMG! You are a celebrity now! Can I get an autograph if we run into each other at a game this year or at Kincaid's in Southlake?