historian said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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CTbruin said:

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Every allegation was investigated by the police. Every one. Only 2 had enough evidence to be prosecuted. 1 was convicted.

And that continues to be ignored by many.

What am I missing?

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Tevin Elliott
Sam Ukwuachu

Both were convicted. Not a big difference, but a difference.

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Sam's conviction was overturned on appeal. Twice. The reinstated twice. All this happened after he served his full term of 6 months.

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saabing bear said:

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I've still never understood how the rapes were Brile's responsibility instead of the Waco police.

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saabing bear said:

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I've still never understood how the rapes were Brile's responsibility instead of the Waco police.

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Ghostrider said:

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boognish_bear said:

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ImABearToo said:

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Remind me again the number of arrests and convictions of football players during Art's stint at Baylor?

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When someone says that today's news did not exonerate Briles from the allegations of mishandling sexual assaults that does not necessarily mean that person thinks Art covered up 52 rapes. It's just simply stating that nothing about the NCAA news today exonerated him of those allegations.

Something substantive may come out later fully clearing him of any mishandling, but the news today did not do that.

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SO far Baylor has paid him $16mm and they wrote a letter stating that they found no evidence of wrongdoing by Art......how much evidence do you need?

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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saabing bear said:

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I've still never understood how the rapes were Brile's responsibility instead of the Waco police.

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They weren't.

What was his responsibility was to insure that All complaints were forwarded to Title IX compliance, that his players/staff/coaches cooperated with Title IX compliance, that his team/staff/coaches followed directives, that he fostered a culture of compliance, that he properly vetted anyone added to program, that he and his folks refrained from inserting themselves into Title IX investigations, etc.

In those areas he failed massively.

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Ah, yes, the nonexistent title ix compliance that no one on campus was reporting to - thus the non penalty

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Bone Squad said:

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Non-existent - yes.

From page 5 of the report:

"The same month Margolis Healy released its report, Baylor launched a search to hire its first fulltime Title IX coordinator and conducted its first Title IX training for the athletics staff. Prior to this, Baylor had no Title IX office, no Title IX coordinator, no Title IX education and no policies or procedures on reporting sexual and interpersonal violence. Title IX matters were handled through the Office of Judicial Affairs. In November 2014, Baylor completed its hiring search and welcomed a full-time Title IX coordinator to campus."

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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saabing bear said:

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I've still never understood how the rapes were Brile's responsibility instead of the Waco police.

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They weren't.

What was his responsibility was to insure that All complaints were forwarded to Title IX compliance, that his players/staff/coaches cooperated with Title IX compliance, that his team/staff/coaches followed directives, that he fostered a culture of compliance, that he properly vetted anyone added to program, that he and his folks refrained from inserting themselves into Title IX investigations, etc.

In those areas he failed massively.

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Ah, yes, the nonexistent title ix compliance that no one on campus was reporting to - thus the non penalty

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Incorrect.

Poorly run? Yes.
Ineffective? Yes.
Non-existent? No.

The "no one else was complying with the law, why should I" argument rarely goes well with judges or juries.

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That's not the argument

The entire place was non functional and no one was trained

It was nonexistent for part of the time read the report

After that, campus in general wasn't trained to report

Dozens of people knew the volleyball player story and no one was reporting

It was an institutional failure to leave everyone untrained

"Go to the cops" is pretty good advice in that environment

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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saabing bear said:

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I've still never understood how the rapes were Brile's responsibility instead of the Waco police.

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They weren't.

What was his responsibility was to insure that All complaints were forwarded to Title IX compliance, that his players/staff/coaches cooperated with Title IX compliance, that his team/staff/coaches followed directives, that he fostered a culture of compliance, that he properly vetted anyone added to program, that he and his folks refrained from inserting themselves into Title IX investigations, etc.

In those areas he failed massively.

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Ah, yes, the nonexistent title ix compliance that no one on campus was reporting to - thus the non penalty

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Incorrect.

Poorly run? Yes.
Ineffective? Yes.
Non-existent? No.

The "no one else was complying with the law, why should I" argument rarely goes well with judges or juries.

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That's not the argument

The entire place was non functional and no one was trained

It was nonexistent for part of the time read the report

After that, campus in general wasn't trained to report

Dozens of people knew the volleyball player story and no one was reporting

It was an institutional failure to leave everyone untrained

"Go to the cops" is pretty good advice in that environment

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If nothing else, Briles should clearly have been aware that it was not his job to be involved in any way.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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saabing bear said:

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I've still never understood how the rapes were Brile's responsibility instead of the Waco police.

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They weren't.

What was his responsibility was to insure that All complaints were forwarded to Title IX compliance, that his players/staff/coaches cooperated with Title IX compliance, that his team/staff/coaches followed directives, that he fostered a culture of compliance, that he properly vetted anyone added to program, that he and his folks refrained from inserting themselves into Title IX investigations, etc.

In those areas he failed massively.

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Ah, yes, the nonexistent title ix compliance that no one on campus was reporting to - thus the non penalty

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Incorrect.

Poorly run? Yes.
Ineffective? Yes.
Non-existent? No.

The "no one else was complying with the law, why should I" argument rarely goes well with judges or juries.

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That's not the argument

The entire place was non functional and no one was trained

It was nonexistent for part of the time read the report

After that, campus in general wasn't trained to report

Dozens of people knew the volleyball player story and no one was reporting

It was an institutional failure to leave everyone untrained

"Go to the cops" is pretty good advice in that environment

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If nothing else, Briles should clearly have been aware that it was not his job to be involved in any way.

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Man, you do a much worse job than trying to get people to go to the cops.

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Bone Squad said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Bone Squad said:

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Non-existent - yes.

From page 5 of the report:

"The same month Margolis Healy released its report, Baylor launched a search to hire its first fulltime Title IX coordinator and conducted its first Title IX training for the athletics staff. Prior to this, Baylor had no Title IX office, no Title IX coordinator, no Title IX education and no policies or procedures on reporting sexual and interpersonal violence. Title IX matters were handled through the Office of Judicial Affairs. In November 2014, Baylor completed its hiring search and welcomed a full-time Title IX coordinator to campus."

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Someone held the job duty if not the "standardized title".

Using that exact quote: "Title IX matters were handled through the Office of Judicial Affairs".

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But looks what it says immediately before that sentence. There was neither any education to employees nor policies or procedures.

I do have criticism for Briles about some things, but I can't in good faith fault him for failing to report to the right person or follow the right procedure when it is undisputed fact that there were none. To hold that over his head, I would have to believe he were either a psychic or an attorney with specific legal training in Title IX issues.

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BUGWBBear said:

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Noted was how they skipped Thee's latest rants, fortunately. If only they knew he's capable of posting while wearing his helmet backwards

He should take it on the road for AGT. Living proof that some creatures can exist in a zero oxygen environment.

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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How can he & his lawyer be SOOOOOOOOOOOO stupid.

Sit quietly, let it go away, apply for jobs. Poking the buzzing hornet's nest is beyond idiotic.

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Art and his lawyers were not that stupid. They left with $17.9 million of Baylor's money. It should have been more. Hornets is not the word I would use to describe Baylor's leadership.

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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saabing bear said:

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I've still never understood how the rapes were Brile's responsibility instead of the Waco police.

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They weren't.

What was his responsibility was to insure that All complaints were forwarded to Title IX compliance, that his players/staff/coaches cooperated with Title IX compliance, that his team/staff/coaches followed directives, that he fostered a culture of compliance, that he properly vetted anyone added to program, that he and his folks refrained from inserting themselves into Title IX investigations, etc.

In those areas he failed massively.

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Ah, yes, the nonexistent title ix compliance that no one on campus was reporting to - thus the non penalty

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Incorrect.

Poorly run? Yes.
Ineffective? Yes.
Non-existent? No.

The "no one else was complying with the law, why should I" argument rarely goes well with judges or juries.

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That's not the argument

The entire place was non functional and no one was trained

It was nonexistent for part of the time read the report

After that, campus in general wasn't trained to report

Dozens of people knew the volleyball player story and no one was reporting

It was an institutional failure to leave everyone untrained

"Go to the cops" is pretty good advice in that environment

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Flawed argument.

You are asserting that because Baylor had a flawed system, Briles cannot also have individual responsibility.

Some items are so important that when a person becomes aware and it isn't clear about the notification protocol, the person should ask all notify everyone at high management level.

If nothing else, Briles should clearly have been aware that it was not his job to be involved in any way.

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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saabing bear said:

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I've still never understood how the rapes were Brile's responsibility instead of the Waco police.

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They weren't.

What was his responsibility was to insure that All complaints were forwarded to Title IX compliance, that his players/staff/coaches cooperated with Title IX compliance, that his team/staff/coaches followed directives, that he fostered a culture of compliance, that he properly vetted anyone added to program, that he and his folks refrained from inserting themselves into Title IX investigations, etc.

In those areas he failed massively.

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Ah, yes, the nonexistent title ix compliance that no one on campus was reporting to - thus the non penalty

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Incorrect.

Poorly run? Yes.
Ineffective? Yes.
Non-existent? No.

The "no one else was complying with the law, why should I" argument rarely goes well with judges or juries.

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That's not the argument

The entire place was non functional and no one was trained

It was nonexistent for part of the time read the report

After that, campus in general wasn't trained to report

Dozens of people knew the volleyball player story and no one was reporting

It was an institutional failure to leave everyone untrained

"Go to the cops" is pretty good advice in that environment

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If nothing else, Briles should clearly have been aware that it was not his job to be involved in any way.

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Man, you do a much worse job than trying to get people to go to the cops.

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If you were a GM at Company X and one employee reported that one of your direct report employees had raped her, would "go to the police" be your only response? Would you not call/text/email/conference with everyone up the chain of command at Company X?

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boognish_bear said:

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Ghostrider said:

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boognish_bear said:

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ImABearToo said:

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Remind me again the number of arrests and convictions of football players during Art's stint at Baylor?

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When someone says that today's news did not exonerate Briles from the allegations of mishandling sexual assaults that does not necessarily mean that person thinks Art covered up 52 rapes. It's just simply stating that nothing about the NCAA news today exonerated him of those allegations.

Something substantive may come out later fully clearing him of any mishandling, but the news today did not do that.

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SO far Baylor has paid him $16mm and they wrote a letter stating that they found no evidence of wrongdoing by Art......how much evidence do you need?

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If you believe that letter from Baylor fully cleared him how do you explain him not having an FBS or even an FCS job after putting up a 65-37 record at what was previously the B12 basement dwelling Baylor?

If that letter cleared his name satisfactorily he would have had job offers the next day.

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drahthaar said:

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From personal experience I can tell you that during the years leading up to this mess, the administration did NOT want to know about an assault or rape, and when advised with the request for help for the student, ducked for cover of this being a matter for the police. Long history of ostrich behavior.

We've all got some "inside information" from some source. What has never been made clear is what exactly Briles was instructed to do in these situations, either from Pat Neff, "Title 9 office", or McCaw. What I do know is that when this first began to become public knowledge, I was told from one in the Admin, quote: "I don't know how this is going to play out, but I want you to remember this: Art did exactly what he was told to do."

That exonerates no one but lends more credence for the institutional failure, the brunt of which rests on those far above a football coach in the pecking order. Art's failures have taken on far greater significance than is appropriate, largely because he has no defenders and nothing or no one to hide behind. Briles was playing checkers and his employers were moving chess pieces. And the players were experienced at playing that type of game.

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