Statement from Art Briles' attorney, Scott Tompsett

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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saabing bear said:

I've still never understood how the rapes were Brile's responsibility instead of the Waco police.
They weren't.

What was his responsibility was to insure that All complaints were forwarded to Title IX compliance, that his players/staff/coaches cooperated with Title IX compliance, that his team/staff/coaches followed directives, that he fostered a culture of compliance, that he properly vetted anyone added to program, that he and his folks refrained from inserting themselves into Title IX investigations, etc.

In those areas he failed massively.


Ah, yes, the nonexistent title ix compliance that no one on campus was reporting to - thus the non penalty
Incorrect.

Poorly run? Yes.
Ineffective? Yes.
Non-existent? No.

The "no one else was complying with the law, why should I" argument rarely goes well with judges or juries.


That's not the argument

The entire place was non functional and no one was trained

It was nonexistent for part of the time read the report

After that, campus in general wasn't trained to report

Dozens of people knew the volleyball player story and no one was reporting

It was an institutional failure to leave everyone untrained

"Go to the cops" is pretty good advice in that environment

If nothing else, Briles should clearly have been aware that it was not his job to be involved in any way.


Man, you do a much worse job than trying to get people to go to the cops.
If you were a GM at Company X and one employee reported that one of your direct report employees had raped her, would "go to the police" be your only response? Would you not call/text/email/conference with everyone up the chain of command at Company X?


No. You go to the police, then you go to HR/Employee Relations. They are trained to handle those things. Managers are not.
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Ramsower.

Is he still on the payroll at Baylor?
I'm a Bearbacker
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ScottS said:

Our BOI overreacted.
Much easier to blow up and rebuild a football program than it is to keep the mugs of 24 regents off the front page of the New York Times.

Gotta give them credit...they were right. It was easier to blow up and rebuild the program.

Not one of the regents was impacted.
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Stranger said:

Ramsower.

Is he still on the payroll at Baylor?
That's a scary thought, and would be the pinnacle of deceitful mismanagement if this were true.

I am aware of one employee mixed up in the smarmy side of things who still is employed and maintains an office on campus. Not sure what this person is "teaching" but has long since made the case of the need to terminate all relationships between the parties.

Who knows anymore?
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Jacques Strap said:

In September 2016, Alabama hired Sarkisian as an analyst for their football team. Maybe CAB can follow this route with Saban or someone else.
Yah, if Art can somehow develop a drinking problem ... there might just be a path forward after all.
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drahthaar said:

Stranger said:

Ramsower.

Is he still on the payroll at Baylor?
That's a scary thought, and would be the pinnacle of deceitful mismanagement if this were true.

I am aware of one employee mixed up in the smarmy side of things who still is employed and maintains an office on campus. Not sure what this person is "teaching" but has long since made the case of the need to terminate all relationships between the parties.

Who knows anymore?
They say cats have 9 lives. But rats ... they are immortal.

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RightRevBear said:

That is my take on it. Briles and the football team were scapegoats. Admin screwed up and did not have the systems and training in place. Also, I it was a campus wide problem that they blamed on the "thug", black football players to provide cover for the white Sunday School boys at Baylor.

AP is saying that he should have taken it all the way up through management. That is a big no because it causes more harm to the victim. That is what a title IX coordinator is for, but Art took the public fall for Ramsower and his gangs failures.
I detect some blatant racism in your words there Rev.

"So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains And we never even know we have the key"
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Stranger said:

Ramsower.

Is he still on the payroll at Baylor?
HSB Directory (baylor.edu)

drahthaar
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Media Bear said:

drahthaar said:

Stranger said:

Ramsower.

Is he still on the payroll at Baylor?
That's a scary thought, and would be the pinnacle of deceitful mismanagement if this were true.

I am aware of one employee mixed up in the smarmy side of things who still is employed and maintains an office on campus. Not sure what this person is "teaching" but has long since made the case of the need to terminate all relationships between the parties.

Who knows anymore?
They say cats have 9 lives. But rats ... they are immortal.


I am thinking cockroaches.
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Thee University said:

RightRevBear said:

That is my take on it. Briles and the football team were scapegoats. Admin screwed up and did not have the systems and training in place. Also, I it was a campus wide problem that they blamed on the "thug", black football players to provide cover for the white Sunday School boys at Baylor.

AP is saying that he should have taken it all the way up through management. That is a big no because it causes more harm to the victim. That is what a title IX coordinator is for, but Art took the public fall for Ramsower and his gangs failures.
I detect some blatant racism in your words there Rev.




I am a white Baptist minister. The board and Pepper Hamilton were the racists in this situation. Standing up for people, who are mostly black, that were thrown under the bus by Baylor in an attempt to deflect attention from a campus wide problem is not racist.
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What is the alleged victim's responsibility to report their SA to the police and offer evidence and proof? Wouldn't it be a lot? We'll never know who the 31 players were and if the 52 rapes ever occurred because no proof has ever been required, only allegations, except for 1 guy, Elliot.
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RightRevBear said:

Thee University said:

RightRevBear said:

That is my take on it. Briles and the football team were scapegoats. Admin screwed up and did not have the systems and training in place. Also, I it was a campus wide problem that they blamed on the "thug", black football players to provide cover for the white Sunday School boys at Baylor.

AP is saying that he should have taken it all the way up through management. That is a big no because it causes more harm to the victim. That is what a title IX coordinator is for, but Art took the public fall for Ramsower and his gangs failures.
I detect some blatant racism in your words there Rev.




I am a white Baptist minister. The board and Pepper Hamilton were the racists in this situation. Standing up for people, who are mostly black, that were thrown under the bus by Baylor in an attempt to deflect attention from a campus wide problem is not racist.
Some day people will realize race was very much at the heart of what happened in 2015-2016. An affluent, white and east-coast law firm questioning our coaches about our black football players dating white women. A white board of regents scapegoating a predominantly black football team for a campus-wide plague dating back decades at a predominantly white university. College football fans around America, especially in the likes of Austin, Fort Worth, College Station, and Lubbock being given carte blanche to call our predominantly black football team, made of innocent leftovers trying to make chicken salad out of chicken ****, rapists and thugs.
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Timbear said:

What is the alleged victim's responsibility to report their SA to the police and offer evidence and proof? Wouldn't it be a lot? We'll never know who the 31 players were and if the 52 rapes ever occurred because no proof has ever been required, only allegations, except for 1 guy, Elliot.


I think you answered your own question. When the "scandal" broke, most of the allegations were baseless. The police dismissed them for lack of evidence. I don't know how many there were or how many new accusations emerged after the Austin media starting their smear campaign. But everything I've read about the mess from the beginning demonstrated that there was little to no evidence for any of it. I sometimes wonder if the 52 number was just made up. The crazy part is how the BOR helped drag Baylor's name through the mud. And they still have faced no consequence for their incompetence & dereliction of duty.

To this day, my #1 wish is true justice for everyone involved. I doubt we will ever see it.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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DST said:

RightRevBear said:

Thee University said:

RightRevBear said:

That is my take on it. Briles and the football team were scapegoats. Admin screwed up and did not have the systems and training in place. Also, I it was a campus wide problem that they blamed on the "thug", black football players to provide cover for the white Sunday School boys at Baylor.

AP is saying that he should have taken it all the way up through management. That is a big no because it causes more harm to the victim. That is what a title IX coordinator is for, but Art took the public fall for Ramsower and his gangs failures.
I detect some blatant racism in your words there Rev.




I am a white Baptist minister. The board and Pepper Hamilton were the racists in this situation. Standing up for people, who are mostly black, that were thrown under the bus by Baylor in an attempt to deflect attention from a campus wide problem is not racist.
Some day people will realize race was very much at the heart of what happened in 2015-2016. An affluent, white and east-coast law firm questioning our coaches about our black football players dating white women. A white board of regents scapegoating a predominantly black football team for a campus-wide plague dating back decades at a predominantly white university. College football fans around America, especially in the likes of Austin, Fort Worth, College Station, and Lubbock being given carte blanche to call our predominantly black football team, made of innocent leftovers trying to make chicken salad out of chicken ****, rapists and thugs.


Strong.
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historian said:

Timbear said:

What is the alleged victim's responsibility to report their SA to the police and offer evidence and proof? Wouldn't it be a lot? We'll never know who the 31 players were and if the 52 rapes ever occurred because no proof has ever been required, only allegations, except for 1 guy, Elliot.


I think you answered your own question. When the "scandal" broke, most of the allegations were baseless. The police dismissed them for lack of evidence. I don't know how many there were or how many new accusations emerged after the Austin media starting their smear campaign. But everything I've read about the mess from the beginning demonstrated that there was little to no evidence for any of it. I sometimes wonder if the 52 number was just made up. The crazy part is how the BOR helped drag Baylor's name through the mud. And they still have faced no consequence for their incompetence & dereliction of duty.

To this day, my #1 wish is true justice for everyone involved. I doubt we will ever see it.

I believe that number came from the lawsuit filed by Elizabeth Doe's lawyer:
- January 2017: A former Baylor student identified anonymously as ''Elizabeth Doe'' files a lawsuit claiming she was raped by two football players in 2013 and alleging more than 50 others by more than 30 players over a four-year period . Her lawsuit describes a ''culture of sexual violence'' throughout the program.
Key dates and allegations in the Baylor sex assault scandal - Sports Illustrated

Three regents who participated are still Regents.
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Wasn't that debunked at about that time?
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
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historian said:

Wasn't that debunked at about that time?
I believe that it came from the lawyer handling the lawsuit with no supporting detail - just a number with no support.
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57Bear said:

historian said:

Wasn't that debunked at about that time?
I believe that it came from the lawyer handling the lawsuit with no supporting detail - just a number with no support.

Then it has been debunked, like so much else in the entire sordid affair of the fake scandal.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
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historian said:

Timbear said:

What is the alleged victim's responsibility to report their SA to the police and offer evidence and proof? Wouldn't it be a lot? We'll never know who the 31 players were and if the 52 rapes ever occurred because no proof has ever been required, only allegations, except for 1 guy, Elliot.


I think you answered your own question. When the "scandal" broke, most of the allegations were baseless. The police dismissed them for lack of evidence. I don't know how many there were or how many new accusations emerged after the Austin media starting their smear campaign. But everything I've read about the mess from the beginning demonstrated that there was little to no evidence for any of it. I sometimes wonder if the 52 number was just made up. The crazy part is how the BOR helped drag Baylor's name through the mud. And they still have faced no consequence for their incompetence & dereliction of duty.

To this day, my #1 wish is true justice for everyone involved. I doubt we will ever see it.
Watch out there. You might not like TRUE justice.

1,916 days and counting!

Hooty Hoo!
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Some really strong posts on this thread.

Bruin92 said:

ScottS said:

Our BOI overreacted.
Much easier to blow up and rebuild a football program than it is to keep the mugs of 24 regents off the front page of the New York Times.

Gotta give them credit...they were right. It was easier to blow up and rebuild the program.

Not one of the regents was impacted.


They did overreact. And they did save themselves in a sense. But the football program will likely never be what it was and what it was becoming. 28-33 since at this point.
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Robert Wilson said:

Some really strong posts on this thread.

Bruin92 said:

ScottS said:

Our BOI overreacted.
Much easier to blow up and rebuild a football program than it is to keep the mugs of 24 regents off the front page of the New York Times.

Gotta give them credit...they were right. It was easier to blow up and rebuild the program.

Not one of the regents was impacted.


They did overreact. And they did save themselves in a sense. But the football program will likely never be what it was and what it was becoming. 28-33 since at this point.
Art's first 4 seasons he went 25-25

The first 4 seasons since Art burned our program down, got himself fired and left us to rebuild we went 26-26.


I did not count Aranda's 1st season due to only playing 9 games during a Covid.

I'm not saying we are going to go 11-2, 11-2, 11-2 and 10-3 because Aranda is only on board now about about 19 ,months.

None of you yahoos want to admit we went 11-3 and into the Sugar after 1-11 and 7-6 seasons. Snap out of the funk!

Great times are on the horizon.
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Which Baylor coaches led us to 11 win seasons?
Only 2: Briles & Rhule.

Which Baylor coaches led us to s conference championship?
I only know of 2: Teaff & Briles.

The last decade is still one of the best ever for Baylor, including bowl games 7 years in a row. The previous record of consecutive ball games was two. That stretch was all under Briles.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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A mans life and legacy was ruined.he was lied about and had his career ruined by an employer that didn't have the guts or character to fight for him or his staff.

I believe that's the point of this thread which you keep trying to make about wins and losses.
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Golden Helmet said:

A mans life and legacy was ruined.he was lied about and had his career ruined by an employer that didn't have the guts or character to fight for him or his staff.

I believe that's the point of this thread which you keep trying to make about wins and losses.


He's been a broken record for years.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
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historian said:

Which Baylor coaches led us to 11 win seasons?
Only 2: Briles & Rhule.

Which Baylor coaches led us to s conference championship?
I only know of 2: Teaff & Briles.

The last decade is still one of the best ever for Baylor, including bowl games 7 years in a row. The previous record of consecutive ball games was two. That stretch was all under Briles.
Only Big 12 championships. Only Baylor coach to ever beat Oklahoma (and did it 3 times). Only Baylor coach to ever finish without a losing record vs UT. Only coach to make us truly nationally relevant for a meaningful run of time. And it was on the upswing. I mean it's not even close.

When we ran off Briles, I figured we would revert to about Teaff levels. We have not, and are unlikely to because it's going to be tough to get someone who is as good as Teaff or Briles to stay. In retrospect, what Teaff did was way underappreciated. He came into a horrible situation. We never gave him adequate resources. The SWC was a real meat grinder back in the day - best teams A&M ever had, mediocre to good UT, really tough UH teams, pony express at SMU, Ken Hatfield's Arky teams, some good Tech teams, even TCU had some moments - then we scheduled some very tough out of conference games on a regular basis.

At 25-33 with soft out of conference and a mushy Big 12, we aren't at Teaff level, and if a coach does what Teaff or Briles did, it's going to be very tough to keep him. Briles was basically stuck here after having turned down Tech and UT (however that went down) and talked so much trash about A&M - he wasn't going to leave the state. Now, if we have someone really raise our level, keeping him will be tough unless he is a Teaff or a Drew, which as we've seen are extremely difficult to come by.
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Golden Helmet said:

A mans life and legacy was ruined.he was lied about and had his career ruined by an employer that didn't have the guts or character to fight for him or his staff.

I believe that's the point of this thread which you keep trying to make about wins and losses.
Not to mention his argument is terrible even on its own merits. Anyone trying to argue Briles wasn't far and away the most successful on the field coach we have had is smoking crack.
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An allegation is an unproven claim. Nothing erases an unproven claim, because it doesn't have to be erased. It's Unproven.The Ncaa confirmed no proven Ncaa violations by Art.
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Timbear said:

An allegation is an unproven claim. Nothing erases an unproven claim, because it doesn't have to be erased. It's Unproven.The Ncaa confirmed no proven Ncaa violations by Art.


That's true. Art's lawyers hurt him PR-wise. He'd have been better off saying absolutely nothing to the public press. Later remorse and apology would have preserved much in terms of profession and legacy, even if it did not preserve his job at Baylor. This current comment from "counsel" don't help much.

All that is past and needs to be left there. Our arguing over it resolves nothing and maintains our divisions, an existential threat that can only be overcome by wise leadership on the part of every Bear, not just those in Pat Neff or the Regents' meeting room. We gotta move on, even if multiple responsible persons remain on 5th street.
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Golden Helmet said:

A mans life and legacy was ruined.he was lied about and had his career ruined by an employer that didn't have the guts or character to fight for him or his staff.

I believe that's the point of this thread which you keep trying to make about wins and losses.
All that matters are Ws & Ls. Hell, I wish he would have saved himself. He could have saved himself and us had he played the Baylor Game. I loved the Ws just as much as anybody.

Art managed Baylor like he was still coaching at Cougar High. You could see the implosion coming around 2012. A good AD would have brought Art and his entire staff in and sat them down for a day or two to review Baylor and her Mission Statement prior to the start of each season. A competent AD would have held each coach accountable for their kids because those coaches, spending countless hours each season with their chosen position, knew the players that should have been on double secret probation. A good President would have gone with the AD to back him up.

Maybe somebody tried to tell Art the Baylor Way. Maybe not. I cannot imagine him not realizing this was not Texas Tech or U of H leadership he was dealing with.

1,916 days. It's over. Pissed away.

Aranda is at the helm and I believe his balance will yield equal or better results soon. Get on board or go ahead and shoot for 2,000 days sucking on your thumbs.
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Thee University said:

You guys are embarrassing yourselves!


Congrats. You've been embarrassing yourself on Baylor football boards for longer than anyone else in history.

That you never outgrew your junior high "pencil neck" phase tells you all anyone needs to know.
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Golden Helmet said:

A mans life and legacy was ruined.he was lied about and had his career ruined by an employer that didn't have the guts or character to fight for him or his staff.

I believe that's the point of this thread which you keep trying to make about wins and losses.
This is the issue in a nutshell. No shame for those of us who still want this wrong to be righted after 1,916 days.
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Glad someone understands that point..

If good old Christian Baylor can stand at a press conference - with Art present - issue a formal apology and eat their cold crow - I'll stand at the podium sucking my thumb for the duration.
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Robert Wilson said:

historian said:

Which Baylor coaches led us to 11 win seasons?
Only 2: Briles & Rhule.

Which Baylor coaches led us to s conference championship?
I only know of 2: Teaff & Briles.

The last decade is still one of the best ever for Baylor, including bowl games 7 years in a row. The previous record of consecutive ball games was two. That stretch was all under Briles.
Only Big 12 championships. Only Baylor coach to ever beat Oklahoma (and did it 3 times). Only Baylor coach to ever finish without a losing record vs UT. Only coach to make us truly nationally relevant for a meaningful run of time. And it was on the upswing. I mean it's not even close.

When we ran off Briles, I figured we would revert to about Teaff levels. We have not, and are unlikely to because it's going to be tough to get someone who is as good as Teaff or Briles to stay. In retrospect, what Teaff did was way underappreciated. He came into a horrible situation. We never gave him adequate resources. The SWC was a real meat grinder back in the day - best teams A&M ever had, mediocre to good UT, really tough UH teams, pony express at SMU, Ken Hatfield's Arky teams, some good Tech teams, even TCU had some moments - then we scheduled some very tough out of conference games on a regular basis.

At 25-33 with soft out of conference and a mushy Big 12, we aren't at Teaff level, and if a coach does what Teaff or Briles did, it's going to be very tough to keep him. Briles was basically stuck here after having turned down Tech and UT (however that went down) and talked so much trash about A&M - he wasn't going to leave the state. Now, if we have someone really raise our level, keeping him will be tough unless he is a Teaff or a Drew, which as we've seen are extremely difficult to come by.

All excellent points.
We didn't even mention our first ever win in Manhattan, only win in Norman (you did mention that one), first win in Stillwater in almost 80 years, Baylor's only Heisman & Belitnikov, & many more accolades.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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Thee University said:

Golden Helmet said:

A mans life and legacy was ruined.he was lied about and had his career ruined by an employer that didn't have the guts or character to fight for him or his staff.

I believe that's the point of this thread which you keep trying to make about wins and losses.
All that matters are Ws & Ls. Hell, I wish he would have saved himself. He could have saved himself and us had he played the Baylor Game. I loved the Ws just as much as anybody.

Art managed Baylor like he was still coaching at Cougar High. You could see the implosion coming around 2012. A good AD would have brought Art and his entire staff in and sat them down for a day or two to review Baylor and her Mission Statement prior to the start of each season. A competent AD would have held each coach accountable for their kids because those coaches, spending countless hours each season with their chosen position, knew the players that should have been on double secret probation. A good President would have gone with the AD to back him up.

Maybe somebody tried to tell Art the Baylor Way. Maybe not. I cannot imagine him not realizing this was not Texas Tech or U of H leadership he was dealing with.

1,916 days. It's over. Pissed away.

Aranda is at the helm and I believe his balance will yield equal or better results soon. Get on board or go ahead and shoot for 2,000 days sucking on your thumbs.

There are many things in life far more important than winning football games. Even in the realm of football one could make a strong case that there are more important things.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
 
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