Method Man said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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All of this works.

These schools will produce really good games against evenly matched schools that will be watched on television.

As of 21-22 that is probably the best basketball conference in the country.

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BU, TT, UCinn, KU, OSU, UHouston, WVU, ISU. It's quite possible to have these 6-8 of these teams in the Tournament or at least be competitive enough to be in the conversation.

The basketball alone will be phenomenal.

HalibutRetro said:

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You can do East-West and keep Texoma together with BYU.

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That seems more forced than just going North-South. When you're stretched from Florida to Utah and concentrated in the middle of the country, nothing's going to make a ton of sense. Just do what preserves the best matchups.

And I'm sure the newcomers know they're going to have to do a lot of traveling. That's the cost of doing business in a league that doesn't make a ton of geographical sense.

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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All of this works.

These schools will produce really good games against evenly matched schools that will be watched on television.

As of 21-22 that is probably the best basketball conference in the country.

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BU, TT, UCinn, KU, OSU, UHouston, WVU, ISU. It's quite possible to have these 6-8 of these teams in the Tournament or at least be competitive enough to be in the conversation.

The basketball alone will be phenomenal.

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It's going to be a really fun league for those involved. Hopefully national viewers will come to agree in time. The competition in this bunch is going to be intense. We may lack the elite programs at the top, but almost everyone is good or committed to being good in both football and basketball.

If we bring in Houston, we essentially elevate them to our level and put them ahead of us in line to play at CFB's top level again. (Howvever, I think it's a group thing and UH has a long way to go before they ascend their current grouping of the CFB's echelon.)

Boise is one of the fastest growing markets in the nation and by taking Boise and BYU in, we essentially keep the PAC-12 out - good or bad-for now.

Honestly, in the long run, I see all the conferences breaking up and 40 to 50 programs leaving to form their own league.

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If we want to play games from 9- midnight central time (not sure why we would I thought the Pac didnt like having that issue) couldnt we just schedule kick offs for 9 pm.

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We don't schedule kickoff times. Our TV partners do. They have to see value in it. And any added value for them is added value for us. That's why creative start times are going to have to be on the table for the Big 12 in the next round of negotiations. We're trying to provide valuable inventory for our TV partners when they need it.

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What I mean is if TV wants XII games kicking off at 10 pm ET/ 9 pm CT, there doesnt have to be a mountain time zone team playing to do that or a team west of the central time zone in the conference to do that.

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Because fans in Texas won't watch it, which is the furthest west we go right now. A Big 12 game in Provo between BYU and Boise St would draw eyeballs. From the west. Where they have fans.

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TV ratings from the past couple of seasons say you are wrong. the boise 9PM games have had solid ratings when they played on ESPN2 in the late night slot.... against other western opponents. Make that opponent one back east and more people will watch.

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Read what I was responding to then re-read my post. We're on the same page.

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CoogMan17 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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All of this works.

These schools will produce really good games against evenly matched schools that will be watched on television.

As of 21-22 that is probably the best basketball conference in the country.

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BU, TT, UCinn, KU, OSU, UHouston, WVU, ISU. It's quite possible to have these 6-8 of these teams in the Tournament or at least be competitive enough to be in the conversation.

The basketball alone will be phenomenal.

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It's going to be a really fun league for those involved. Hopefully national viewers will come to agree in time. The competition in this bunch is going to be intense. We may lack the elite programs at the top, but almost everyone is good or committed to being good in both football and basketball.

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One (possibly 2 or 3) of the remaining 12 WILL become the elite programs at the top.

Might as well be us.

Tim sure has been quiet since yesterday's news. He tweeted himself into a corner lmao.

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bear2be2 said:

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CoogMan17 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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All of this works.

These schools will produce really good games against evenly matched schools that will be watched on television.

As of 21-22 that is probably the best basketball conference in the country.

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BU, TT, UCinn, KU, OSU, UHouston, WVU, ISU. It's quite possible to have these 6-8 of these teams in the Tournament or at least be competitive enough to be in the conversation.

The basketball alone will be phenomenal.

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It's going to be a really fun league for those involved. Hopefully national viewers will come to agree in time. The competition in this bunch is going to be intense. We may lack the elite programs at the top, but almost everyone is good or committed to being good in both football and basketball.

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One (possibly 2 or 3) of the remaining 12 WILL become the elite programs at the top.

Might as well be us.

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There can be elite teams, but elite programs take decades to build, and there are only a couple of cases we can point to of non-bluebloods crashing that party.

I think more than likely you'll see some really good teams in the Big 12, but it will be on a rotating basis.

Admitting UH will send Tech, BU, and Ok State to permanent mediocrity. Ok State has already felt the blow of losing Houston recruiting battles to A&M and other SEC schools. They currently have 4 players from Houston. Their 2011 conference championship team had 13.

Do not give UH a level playing field to recruit the few players that are still going to Big XII schools. We owe UH nothing.

Echoing reports I believe started with @max_olson (don’t pancake me, Staples) I know that Cincy and Houston are expected to receive and accept invites to the Big 12. Almost every person I’ve spoken with has said “think about basketball” at least once

— Steven Godfrey (@38Godfrey) September 3, 2021

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Admitting UH will send Tech, BU, and Ok State to permanent mediocrity. Ok State has already felt the blow of losing Houston recruiting battles to A&M and other SEC schools. They currently have 4 players from Houston. Their 2011 conference championship team had 13.

Do not give UH a level playing field to recruit the few players that are still going to Big XII schools. We owe UH nothing.

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Baylor is still an attractive school with UH on board. There's a lot of talent in Houston, for sure, but not every good recruit from Houston wants to stay home. BU has lots to offer that UH doesn't and the recruiting pitches won't be hard to make.

Yes, you and the other schools may lose recruits to UH. But it's not as bad as you make it seem. BU's brand is unique and I can continue to see Houston kids wanting to get out of a busy place like Houston and be a part of a more scenic/traditional college experience like you'd find at BU.

You need to give your school more credit.

Asked one connected industry source about Big 12 completing expansion sometime during the academic year and was told: "Why wait to do it?" Expansion process clearly with momentum. Just remember, this is the Big 12 we're talking about here.

— Chuck Carlton (@ChuckCarltonDMN) September 3, 2021

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Admitting UH will send Tech, BU, and Ok State to permanent mediocrity. Ok State has already felt the blow of losing Houston recruiting battles to A&M and other SEC schools. They currently have 4 players from Houston. Their 2011 conference championship team had 13.

Do not give UH a level playing field to recruit the few players that are still going to Big XII schools. We owe UH nothing.

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Baylor is still an attractive school with UH on board. There's a lot of talent in Houston, for sure, but not every good recruit from Houston wants to stay home. BU has lots to offer that UH doesn't and the recruiting pitches won't be hard to make.

Yes, you and the other schools may lose recruits to UH. But it's not as bad as you make it seem. BU's brand is unique and I can continue to see Houston kids wanting to get out of a busy place like Houston and be a part of a more scenic/traditional college experience like you'd find at BU.

You need to give your school more credit.

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No sir. I have tremendous respect for what UH has accomplished as the step child school in Texas. Just like we saw in the 70's and some of the 80's, this is going to vault UH past the other Big XII schools in Texas.

The school has been growing rapidly over the past 10+ years, academics have improved significantly, but the alumni remain dormant. This is finally going to wake them up and give them an advantage. Just an absolutely killer move - I don't understand how they can't see what UH might become. Our only hope is that Holgorsen will still find a way to screw it up. I wonder if Herman would be up for round 2.

I mean, ODB just had a perfect paragraph describing what UH does last week in this article. I don't see how Mack, Kirby and the new guy at OSU would let this even be brought up as a discussion topic.

https://www.ourdailybears.com/2021/8/26/22643627/pac-12-wont-expand-now-big-12-exploring-expansion

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Admitting UH will send Tech, BU, and Ok State to permanent mediocrity. Ok State has already felt the blow of losing Houston recruiting battles to A&M and other SEC schools. They currently have 4 players from Houston. Their 2011 conference championship team had 13.

Do not give UH a level playing field to recruit the few players that are still going to Big XII schools. We owe UH nothing.

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Baylor is still an attractive school with UH on board. There's a lot of talent in Houston, for sure, but not every good recruit from Houston wants to stay home. BU has lots to offer that UH doesn't and the recruiting pitches won't be hard to make.

Yes, you and the other schools may lose recruits to UH. But it's not as bad as you make it seem. BU's brand is unique and I can continue to see Houston kids wanting to get out of a busy place like Houston and be a part of a more scenic/traditional college experience like you'd find at BU.

You need to give your school more credit.

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No sir. I have tremendous respect for what UH has accomplished as the step child school in Texas. Just like we saw in the 70's and some of the 80's, this is going to vault UH past the other Big XII schools in Texas.

The school has been growing rapidly over the past 10+ years, academics have improved significantly, but the alumni remain dormant. This is finally going to wake them up and give them an advantage. Just an absolutely killer move - I don't understand how they can't see what UH might become. Our only hope is that Holgorsen will still find a way to screw it up. I wonder if Herman would be up for round 2.

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Funny you mention Herman. He was arguably the best coach we had in the last 20 years. And that's saying a lot considering we had Briles, and Sumlin during that period.

I might be in the minority, but I'd LOVE to have Herman back.

The problem with him is that he was super emotional and shady.

Rumor had it that before UT offered him the coaching job, he sat down with two of our biggest boosters. They asked Herman that if they were to match whatever school (UT and LSU rumored at the time) had to offer, would he stay at UH. He said yes. He gave us his word. When the UT contract figures came out. The boosters matched it. But he left for UT and the rest is history. Personally, I don't blame him for leaving, but why lie to us about staying?

So, over on the UH board, there's plenty of vitriol aimed at him. Plus, the way he left was pretty crappy too.

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Admitting UH will send Tech, BU, and Ok State to permanent mediocrity. Ok State has already felt the blow of losing Houston recruiting battles to A&M and other SEC schools. They currently have 4 players from Houston. Their 2011 conference championship team had 13.

Do not give UH a level playing field to recruit the few players that are still going to Big XII schools. We owe UH nothing.

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Big boy football programs don't have to stand on the corner with their hand out. If OK State or Baylor want better recruits, those are obtained by consistently defeating tough competition. That just seems like too much for a whole lot of Baylor Nation to expect. Why? Nobody's going to give us handouts.

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We don't need to have 2 different Cougar schools anyway

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I agree but I'm not sure it matters. The SEC has 3 tiger teams.

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It could be two tigers and one war eagle, or maybe a plainsman

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Auburn calls themselves the tigers.

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You can do East-West and keep Texoma together with BYU.

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That was my thinking. That way no one had to travel more than one time zone most of the time.

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If we want to play games from 9- midnight central time (not sure why we would I thought the Pac didnt like having that issue) couldnt we just schedule kick offs for 9 pm.

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We don't schedule kickoff times. Our TV partners do. They have to see value in it. And any added value for them is added value for us. That's why creative start times are going to have to be on the table for the Big 12 in the next round of negotiations. We're trying to provide valuable inventory for our TV partners when they need it.

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What I mean is if TV wants XII games kicking off at 10 pm ET/ 9 pm CT, there doesnt have to be a mountain time zone team playing to do that or a team west of the central time zone in the conference to do that.

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Because fans in Texas won't watch it, which is the furthest west we go right now. A Big 12 game in Provo between BYU and Boise St would draw eyeballs. From the west. Where they have fans.

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TV ratings from the past couple of seasons say you are wrong. the boise 9PM games have had solid ratings when they played on ESPN2 in the late night slot.... against other western opponents. Make that opponent one back east and more people will watch.

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Read what I was responding to then re-read my post. We're on the same page.

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I think we are different pages. You are saying that people in TX won't watch it. I am saying the TV ratings disagree with you. When Boise plays an opponent that is a western opponent they have good nationwide ratings. When it is an eastern opponent/ ranked their ratings are even higher.

So yes people in TX will watch it.

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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CoogMan17 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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All of this works.

These schools will produce really good games against evenly matched schools that will be watched on television.

As of 21-22 that is probably the best basketball conference in the country.

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BU, TT, UCinn, KU, OSU, UHouston, WVU, ISU. It's quite possible to have these 6-8 of these teams in the Tournament or at least be competitive enough to be in the conversation.

The basketball alone will be phenomenal.

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It's going to be a really fun league for those involved. Hopefully national viewers will come to agree in time. The competition in this bunch is going to be intense. We may lack the elite programs at the top, but almost everyone is good or committed to being good in both football and basketball.

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One (possibly 2 or 3) of the remaining 12 WILL become the elite programs at the top.

Might as well be us.

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There can be elite teams, but elite programs take decades to build, and there are only a couple of cases we can point to of non-bluebloods crashing that party.

I think more than likely you'll see some really good teams in the Big 12, but it will be on a rotating basis.

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In basketball Baylor is clearly there: one of the most successful in the nation, especially if you include both MBB & WBB. In football, we're not there yet & may never be. The world of cfb is so lopsided & becoming more so, thanks to ESPN's monopolizing efforts.

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Admitting UH will send Tech, BU, and Ok State to permanent mediocrity. Ok State has already felt the blow of losing Houston recruiting battles to A&M and other SEC schools. They currently have 4 players from Houston. Their 2011 conference championship team had 13.

Do not give UH a level playing field to recruit the few players that are still going to Big XII schools. We owe UH nothing.

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I tend to agree. The Big 12 doesn't need another school from Texas & Houston has no upsides athletically, academically, financially, in terms if recruiting, or anything else. In fact, arguably, they are a downside in each of these.

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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All of this works.

These schools will produce really good games against evenly matched schools that will be watched on television.

As of 21-22 that is probably the best basketball conference in the country.

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BU, TT, UCinn, KU, OSU, UHouston, WVU, ISU. It's quite possible to have these 6-8 of these teams in the Tournament or at least be competitive enough to be in the conversation.

The basketball alone will be phenomenal.

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It's going to be a really fun league for those involved. Hopefully national viewers will come to agree in time. The competition in this bunch is going to be intense. We may lack the elite programs at the top, but almost everyone is good or committed to being good in both football and basketball.

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One (possibly 2 or 3) of the remaining 12 WILL become the elite programs at the top.

Might as well be us.

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There can be elite teams, but elite programs take decades to build, and there are only a couple of cases we can point to of non-bluebloods crashing that party.

I think more than likely you'll see some really good teams in the Big 12, but it will be on a rotating basis.

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In basketball Baylor is clearly there: one of the most successful in the nation, especially if you include both MBB & WBB. In football, we're not there yet & may never be. The world of cfb is so lopsided & becoming more so, thanks to ESPN's monopolizing efforts.

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Basketball's a different animal entirely. Tradition doesn't matter nearly as much because of the tournament's inclusivity. I'm talking strictly about football.

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Admitting UH will send Tech, BU, and Ok State to permanent mediocrity. Ok State has already felt the blow of losing Houston recruiting battles to A&M and other SEC schools. They currently have 4 players from Houston. Their 2011 conference championship team had 13.

Do not give UH a level playing field to recruit the few players that are still going to Big XII schools. We owe UH nothing.

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Baylor is still an attractive school with UH on board. There's a lot of talent in Houston, for sure, but not every good recruit from Houston wants to stay home. BU has lots to offer that UH doesn't and the recruiting pitches won't be hard to make.

Yes, you and the other schools may lose recruits to UH. But it's not as bad as you make it seem. BU's brand is unique and I can continue to see Houston kids wanting to get out of a busy place like Houston and be a part of a more scenic/traditional college experience like you'd find at BU.

You need to give your school more credit.

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I've known most of the online personalities on this board for over 20 years.

A lot of Baylor fans are still scarred by 1996-2010, Kevin Steele and Guy Morriss, and don't realize that the Baylor University of today is not your fathers Baylor Bears.

A kid that was born when Kevin Steele was our coach has grown up with Baylor being a school that competes and wins Conference Titles, and National Title in major sports and country club sports. That certainly was not the case in the 90's.

The level of self doubt and downright vaginess (yes I just made that word up) of some our fans is sickening.

If you all are scared of the Houston Cougars surpassing us than we need to be playing Division 2 ball. We don't need to be in the BIGXII.

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TeamPlayer said:

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Admitting UH will send Tech, BU, and Ok State to permanent mediocrity. Ok State has already felt the blow of losing Houston recruiting battles to A&M and other SEC schools. They currently have 4 players from Houston. Their 2011 conference championship team had 13.

Do not give UH a level playing field to recruit the few players that are still going to Big XII schools. We owe UH nothing.

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I tend to agree. The Big 12 doesn't need another school from Texas & Houston has no upsides athletically, academically, financially, in terms if recruiting, or anything else. In fact, arguably, they are a downside in each of these.

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yes we do.

You all that think that TCU, TECH, Baylor and Okie St can carry the state of Texas are being silly.

The SEC works because of the rivalry aspect of a lot of the games.

Method Man said:

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CoogMan17 said:

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TeamPlayer said:

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Admitting UH will send Tech, BU, and Ok State to permanent mediocrity. Ok State has already felt the blow of losing Houston recruiting battles to A&M and other SEC schools. They currently have 4 players from Houston. Their 2011 conference championship team had 13.

Do not give UH a level playing field to recruit the few players that are still going to Big XII schools. We owe UH nothing.

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Baylor is still an attractive school with UH on board. There's a lot of talent in Houston, for sure, but not every good recruit from Houston wants to stay home. BU has lots to offer that UH doesn't and the recruiting pitches won't be hard to make.

Yes, you and the other schools may lose recruits to UH. But it's not as bad as you make it seem. BU's brand is unique and I can continue to see Houston kids wanting to get out of a busy place like Houston and be a part of a more scenic/traditional college experience like you'd find at BU.

You need to give your school more credit.

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I've known most of the online personalities on this board for over 20 years.

A lot of Baylor fans are still scarred by 1996-2010, Kevin Steele and Guy Morriss, and don't realize that the Baylor University of today is not your fathers Baylor Bears.

A kid that was born when Kevin Steele was our coach has grown up with Baylor being a school that competes and wins Conference Titles, and National Title in major sports and country club sports. That certainly was not the case in the 90's.

The level of self doubt and downright vaginess (yes I just made that word up) of some our fans is sickening.

If you all are scared of the Houston Cougars surpassing us than we need to be playing Division 2 ball. We don't need to be in the BIGXII.

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Thanks for clearing this up Method. I was wondering why I, a UH alum, had more faith in your athletics program than a few of the posters on here. One poster practically created a meltdown thread about how it's over, and yet, BU is still one of the best universities in the nation, has an awesome athletics program, and a recent Bball championship to boot, AND you're located in one of the chillest towns in Texas.

I'm really looking forward to road tripping up there.

It's been so long since we were in a conference with Houston, that most convenience store managers don't realize how much food these Cougar fans can devour. Game days will be good for business.

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Method Man said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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All of this works.

These schools will produce really good games against evenly matched schools that will be watched on television.

As of 21-22 that is probably the best basketball conference in the country.

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BU, TT, UCinn, KU, OSU, UHouston, WVU, ISU. It's quite possible to have these 6-8 of these teams in the Tournament or at least be competitive enough to be in the conversation.

The basketball alone will be phenomenal.

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It's going to be a really fun league for those involved. Hopefully national viewers will come to agree in time. The competition in this bunch is going to be intense. We may lack the elite programs at the top, but almost everyone is good or committed to being good in both football and basketball.

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One (possibly 2 or 3) of the remaining 12 WILL become the elite programs at the top.

Might as well be us.

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There can be elite teams, but elite programs take decades to build, and there are only a couple of cases we can point to of non-bluebloods crashing that party.

I think more than likely you'll see some really good teams in the Big 12, but it will be on a rotating basis.

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What if we win the next 10 BIGXII conference titles and win a Natty or two?

Would we now be considered an elite program? I think our basketball program is already on that trajectory, and Drew now has the Natty to legitimize the program.

Quit looking at the past, and look towards the future. This conference is going to be much easier to win than the SEC, or even the past BIGXII.

Part of the reason Miami and Florida St became blue bloods in the 80's and 90's was they dominated a weaker conference.

Houston isn't a rival. Rice isn't a rival. Arkansas isn't a rival.

They are schools that used to be in the same conference with Baylor.

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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CoogMan17 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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All of this works.

These schools will produce really good games against evenly matched schools that will be watched on television.

As of 21-22 that is probably the best basketball conference in the country.

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BU, TT, UCinn, KU, OSU, UHouston, WVU, ISU. It's quite possible to have these 6-8 of these teams in the Tournament or at least be competitive enough to be in the conversation.

The basketball alone will be phenomenal.

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It's going to be a really fun league for those involved. Hopefully national viewers will come to agree in time. The competition in this bunch is going to be intense. We may lack the elite programs at the top, but almost everyone is good or committed to being good in both football and basketball.

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One (possibly 2 or 3) of the remaining 12 WILL become the elite programs at the top.

Might as well be us.

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There can be elite teams, but elite programs take decades to build, and there are only a couple of cases we can point to of non-bluebloods crashing that party.

I think more than likely you'll see some really good teams in the Big 12, but it will be on a rotating basis.

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What if we win the next 10 BIGXII conference titles and win a Natty or two?

Would we now be considered an elite program? I think our basketball program is already on that trajectory, and Drew now has the Natty to legitimize the program.

Quit looking at the past, and look towards the future. This conference is going to be much easier to win than the SEC, or even the past BIGXII.

Part of the reason Miami and Florida St became blue bloods in the 80's and 90's was they dominated a weaker conference.

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Such a good point. Teams can become elite as well as lose elite status.

Army was once elite. Syracuse, Pitt, Georgia Tech, and several others. Looking at a list of national Champs shows a bunch of schools that are no longer FBS(a bunch of Ivy league), no longer elite, and some in the last few decades that have become elite. Then there are the ones now that their name keeps them "elite" but fans know they aren't anymore (UT, Notre Dame, Tenn, Nebraska) in terms of product on the field.

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Admitting UH will send Tech, BU, and Ok State to permanent mediocrity. Ok State has already felt the blow of losing Houston recruiting battles to A&M and other SEC schools. They currently have 4 players from Houston. Their 2011 conference championship team had 13.

Do not give UH a level playing field to recruit the few players that are still going to Big XII schools. We owe UH nothing.

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I tend to agree. The Big 12 doesn't need another school from Texas & Houston has no upsides athletically, academically, financially, in terms if recruiting, or anything else. In fact, arguably, they are a downside in each of these.

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yes we do.

You all that think that TCU, TECH, Baylor and Okie St can carry the state of Texas are being silly.

The SEC works because of the rivalry aspect of a lot of the games.

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Yeah, I don't get the idea of not wanting another in-state rival to play annual games against. That's what makes college football fun.

If you're worried about Houston taking your spot, do what you need to do keep them from doing that. Trying to hold them down because you're afraid of what they might do with your resources is chicken *****

Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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CoogMan17 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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All of this works.

These schools will produce really good games against evenly matched schools that will be watched on television.

As of 21-22 that is probably the best basketball conference in the country.

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BU, TT, UCinn, KU, OSU, UHouston, WVU, ISU. It's quite possible to have these 6-8 of these teams in the Tournament or at least be competitive enough to be in the conversation.

The basketball alone will be phenomenal.

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It's going to be a really fun league for those involved. Hopefully national viewers will come to agree in time. The competition in this bunch is going to be intense. We may lack the elite programs at the top, but almost everyone is good or committed to being good in both football and basketball.

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One (possibly 2 or 3) of the remaining 12 WILL become the elite programs at the top.

Might as well be us.

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There can be elite teams, but elite programs take decades to build, and there are only a couple of cases we can point to of non-bluebloods crashing that party.

I think more than likely you'll see some really good teams in the Big 12, but it will be on a rotating basis.

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What if we win the next 10 BIGXII conference titles and win a Natty or two?

Would we now be considered an elite program? I think our basketball program is already on that trajectory, and Drew now has the Natty to legitimize the program.

Quit looking at the past, and look towards the future. This conference is going to be much easier to win than the SEC, or even the past BIGXII.

Part of the reason Miami and Florida St became blue bloods in the 80's and 90's was they dominated a weaker conference.

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Sure. That's what Florida State, Miami and Oregon (minus the national titles) did to get where they are. But it's really hard to attain that level of national respect as a non-traditional power, which is important in a sport where perception is reality.

And I don't know why you would take that post to be negative about this conference. I was the first on here to advocate for a rebuilt Big 12 with exactly the types of programs we're adding. I'm pumped.

But there's nothing wrong with accepting the reality of our situation. We're likely to play fourth or fifth fiddle nationally because of our lack of traditional powers. And that's fine with me as long as we have access to an expanded playoff and a better TV contract that we would get as a member of the AAC. We have the opportunity to change the narrative where it really matters: On the field.

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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CoogMan17 said:

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Method Man said:

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bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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All of this works.

These schools will produce really good games against evenly matched schools that will be watched on television.

As of 21-22 that is probably the best basketball conference in the country.

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BU, TT, UCinn, KU, OSU, UHouston, WVU, ISU. It's quite possible to have these 6-8 of these teams in the Tournament or at least be competitive enough to be in the conversation.

The basketball alone will be phenomenal.

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It's going to be a really fun league for those involved. Hopefully national viewers will come to agree in time. The competition in this bunch is going to be intense. We may lack the elite programs at the top, but almost everyone is good or committed to being good in both football and basketball.

---

One (possibly 2 or 3) of the remaining 12 WILL become the elite programs at the top.

Might as well be us.

---

There can be elite teams, but elite programs take decades to build, and there are only a couple of cases we can point to of non-bluebloods crashing that party.

I think more than likely you'll see some really good teams in the Big 12, but it will be on a rotating basis.

---

What if we win the next 10 BIGXII conference titles and win a Natty or two?

Would we now be considered an elite program? I think our basketball program is already on that trajectory, and Drew now has the Natty to legitimize the program.

Quit looking at the past, and look towards the future. This conference is going to be much easier to win than the SEC, or even the past BIGXII.

Part of the reason Miami and Florida St became blue bloods in the 80's and 90's was they dominated a weaker conference.

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Such a good point. Teams can become elite as well as lose elite status.

Army was once elite. Syracuse, Pitt, Georgia Tech, and several others. Looking at a list of national Champs shows a bunch of schools that are no longer FBS(a bunch of Ivy league), no longer elite, and some in the last few decades that have become elite. Then there are the ones now that their name keeps them "elite" but fans know they aren't anymore (UT, Notre Dame, Tenn, Nebraska) in terms of product on the field.

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They can. My point was that it takes decades of success to do that. And I think there's going to be way too much parity (a.k.a. quality) in our rebuilt Big 12 for any team to dominate it for that long. That's not a bad thing. That will make for a super fun conference where literally every game (not involving Kansas) will be a toss-up.

It's amazing how quickly the reputation of a conference can change though. If you remember, an undefeated Auburn got left out of the 2004 national championship game. That seems unfathomable now, but it happened less than 20 years ago.

As a conference, go out an win your non conference and bowl games and suddenly you get taken seriously. This conference (minus KU) has teams that are capable of doing that.

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It's amazing how quickly the reputation of a conference can change though. If you remember, an undefeated Auburn got left out of the 2004 national championship game. That seems unfathomable now, but it happened less than 20 years ago.

As a conference, go out an win your non conference and bowl games and suddenly you get taken seriously. This conference (minus KU) has teams that are capable of doing that.

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Exactly. This is the Big 12's path to future relevancy. Not TV markets and attendance numbers. Beat the big boys on the field enough and you become a big boy yourself.

bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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Another possibility for divisions:

SOUTHWEST -- Baylor, BYU, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech
BIG SIX -- Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, UCF, West Virginia

This eliminates the cross country travel, and the name pays homage to the founding programs' history.