Lol…some of you guys are so pathetically bitter. We went from being so deep in the sh*ter coming off the heels of a widely publicized sexual assault fiasco to a Big 12 title appearance and a New Years six bowl game in two years under his watch. Many of the studs we have in the roster we have today were kids he recruited. So what if he went to the NFL and found out it wasn't for him. He is still in the league longer than Nick Saban chose to be. We are in a great spot now w/ Aranda and Rhule definitely played a huge role in showing the world that the program is bigger than just Art Briles and that you can win at Baylor. Some of you probably still b*tch about your junior high girlfriend leaving you for another dude. Get over it.

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Nothing like bringing up former coaches to make the Baylor fans turn into unhinged, jilted ex-lovers.

I wonder if any other fanbase obsesses over their former coaches like this? Like, does WVU openly pine for the days of RichRod? Or spit vitriol constantly at Holgerson? It's very bizarre.

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A successful Baylor coach no-less. I remember the dark days where alum and fans were BEGGING for a coach with a fraction of his skill to just take us to a bowl game, any bowl game.

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Back when Baylor was the Big 12 leech school. . Expectations changes once someone proves you can win here

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And he continued to prove one can win here. And after a toxic scandal.

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He tanked the first season because our fans were going to give him a Mulligan. I wanted him gone and he moved on. Aranda was an upgrade. We are fine

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He didn't tank on purpose. That has been proven on here over and over. That was not a good team.

We are fine for sure. We are in great hands with Aranda and Staff.

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I don't think you know what "proven" means.

No one has done less with more than Matt Rhule in his first year at Baylor.

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Some have made the argument that Aranda did just that last year with the apparently dysfunctional staff he brought in. Of course, he righted the ship damn quick, to his credit, and has shown he is not what that first year might be interpreted as. While Rhule's flirting with the NFL was at best bad form, he didn't hide the desire to coach there, and if he had decided to stay at BU, folks would have been ecstatic. In short, I don't get the bile toward the guy though it does deserve the skepticism. I figured he would be in the NFL long due to his commitment to developing men with character etc., and that the NFL is not exactly the ideal place for that. When the next college AD hires him, he/she will have a lot of contractual strings to go with the income statements.

Pay Dave and his staff, now.

I don't know why this is getting rehashed but I'll say this about Rhule:

1. He never wanted to be here longer than he had to be (that's a fact, he shopped himself annually).

2. His first season was a disaster and that was 100% his fault. You can't tell me the same team that almost beat OU should lose to Liberty, UTSA, etc. There's simply no excuse for that performance. Defending that is ridiculous. Nobody expected 10 wins but 1 was an absolute failure.

3. He was a great hire if we wanted a transitional coach. That's what he became in hindsight, but it was very helpful. He took over for the most successful coach we've ever had and in terrible circumstances. Him coming, winning in his final year, and leaving served as a good transition from Briles to the next guy (turned out to be Aranda) that entered without the baggage of 2016. Aranda also didn't have to follow the most successful era as directly, helping the fans unite more easily behind him.

Why can't we just agree on the above as the general narrative of him and move on? The details between those parts can be argued but all 3 of those points should be obvious to anyone and everyone. Wish him luck or failure from here it doesn't matter, but that's a fine debate. Let's not pretend he was all good or all bad for Baylor, though. That's just factually incorrect and insulting to our collective intelligence.

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I don't know why this is getting rehashed but I'll say this about Rhule:

1. He never wanted to be here longer than he had to be (that's a fact, he shopped himself annually).

2. His first season was a disaster and that was 100% his fault. You can't tell me the same team that almost beat OU should lose to Liberty, UTSA, etc. There's simply no excuse for that performance. Defending that is ridiculous. Nobody expected 10 wins but 1 was an absolute failure.

3. He was a great hire if we wanted a transitional coach. That's what he became in hindsight, but it was very helpful. He took over for the most successful coach we've ever had and in terrible circumstances. Him coming, winning in his final year, and leaving served as a good transition from Briles to the next guy (turned out to be Aranda) that entered without the baggage of 2016. Aranda also didn't have to follow the most successful era as directly, helping the fans unite more easily behind him.

Why can't we just agree on the above as the general narrative of him and move on? The details between those parts can be argued but all 3 of those points should be obvious to anyone and everyone. Wish him luck or failure from here it doesn't matter, but that's a fine debate. Let's not pretend he was all good or all bad for Baylor, though. That's just factually incorrect and insulting to our collective intelligence.

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Because #2 wasn't 100% on him. bear2be's post shows that. Also there are the very few on here that just like to hate on a successful Baylor coach for whatever reason. He did a lot more good than bad.

https://sicem365.com/forums/2/topics/16111/replies/414600

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I don't know why this is getting rehashed but I'll say this about Rhule:

1. He never wanted to be here longer than he had to be (that's a fact, he shopped himself annually).

2. His first season was a disaster and that was 100% his fault. You can't tell me the same team that almost beat OU should lose to Liberty, UTSA, etc. There's simply no excuse for that performance. Defending that is ridiculous. Nobody expected 10 wins but 1 was an absolute failure.

3. He was a great hire if we wanted a transitional coach. That's what he became in hindsight, but it was very helpful. He took over for the most successful coach we've ever had and in terrible circumstances. Him coming, winning in his final year, and leaving served as a good transition from Briles to the next guy (turned out to be Aranda) that entered without the baggage of 2016. Aranda also didn't have to follow the most successful era as directly, helping the fans unite more easily behind him.

Why can't we just agree on the above as the general narrative of him and move on? The details between those parts can be argued but all 3 of those points should be obvious to anyone and everyone. Wish him luck or failure from here it doesn't matter, but that's a fine debate. Let's not pretend he was all good or all bad for Baylor, though. That's just factually incorrect and insulting to our collective intelligence.

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Agree with this analysis.

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Krieg said:

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I don't know why this is getting rehashed but I'll say this about Rhule:

1. He never wanted to be here longer than he had to be (that's a fact, he shopped himself annually).

2. His first season was a disaster and that was 100% his fault. You can't tell me the same team that almost beat OU should lose to Liberty, UTSA, etc. There's simply no excuse for that performance. Defending that is ridiculous. Nobody expected 10 wins but 1 was an absolute failure.

3. He was a great hire if we wanted a transitional coach. That's what he became in hindsight, but it was very helpful. He took over for the most successful coach we've ever had and in terrible circumstances. Him coming, winning in his final year, and leaving served as a good transition from Briles to the next guy (turned out to be Aranda) that entered without the baggage of 2016. Aranda also didn't have to follow the most successful era as directly, helping the fans unite more easily behind him.

Why can't we just agree on the above as the general narrative of him and move on? The details between those parts can be argued but all 3 of those points should be obvious to anyone and everyone. Wish him luck or failure from here it doesn't matter, but that's a fine debate. Let's not pretend he was all good or all bad for Baylor, though. That's just factually incorrect and insulting to our collective intelligence.

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Because #2 wasn't 100% on him. bear2be's post shows that. Also there are the very few on here that just like to hate on a successful Baylor coach for whatever reason. He did a lot more good than bad.

https://sicem365.com/forums/2/topics/16111/replies/414600

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Basically this.

And while I think pretty much everyone agrees that we underachieved in his first year, I think there was a purpose being served in that season that many haters won't acknowledge.

You don't go from where Briles was schematically and philosophically to where Rhule was (and Aranda is) without some serious growing pains. Rhule basically ripped off the band-aid (and a good chunk of skin with it) so that the area could heal back stronger.

There was always a method to the madness. You guys were just too busy mocking the process to see it working. And even after it took us from the outhouse to the penthouse in three years, the usual suspects were still ****ting on him and his staff.

Many of you guys were just dead ass wrong about Matt Rhule and it was easier to attack him than admit that.

And the irony of all ironies is that there's a good chance we'll have kept Rhule longer than we did Aranda when all is said and done.

Just going to copy and paste this every time the bitter ex-girlfriend crowd pipes up:



I mean, it's really simple why some to this day bag on Rhule. Shallow, one might say.

They hated Rhule from the day he was hired because they wanted Art Briles to still be the coach, and they were angry at the University and BOR. To make matters worse, Rhule was the opposite of Briles: a Yankee whose teams at Temple were known to be blue-collar and defense-oriented.

So when Rhule inherited the dumpster fire that the University and Briles' old staff left behind and proceeded to do even worse than expected in his first year (no one is excusing 1-11--that team should have won at least four games), they used that as evidence to burn the entire University to the ground, claim Baylor Football as dead, and say that Rhule was the second coming of Kevin Steele. Baylor was back to the wilderness forever and ever thanks to the BOR, and they were going to put that down on paper to seem like the smartest people in the room and have "I Told You So" rights for years to come.

Well, then Rhule started to turn things around and win just as he did at Temple, mirroring the results almost exactly. By year three, Rhule won 11 regular-season games, tying the single-season best for the program set by Briles previously--the coach they claimed could never be replaced and whose success could never be replicated. Rhule had proven these people wrong, and now their peers were starting to let them hear it. They were embarrassed and took their shame out on nitpicking everything that still wasn't right about Baylor Football in 2019. We weren't consistent on offense. We were barely getting by some teams with weak records. Our offensive line played abysmally at times. We blew a big lead against Oklahoma. We didn't finish in the Big 12 title game, thus Rhule didn't win a Big 12 Championship in his 11-win season, making him forever inferior to Briles. We lost to a much more talented, though depleted Georgia team in the Sugar Bowl.

But worst of all, they so desperately wanted the coach that they spurned and hated for over two years to now put a metaphorical ring on his finger and be married to their beloved Baylor until death do them part. He was a winner now. He beat Texas and TCU. He got us back in the top ten and just a few bounces away from qualifying from the College Football Playoff--something they never thought would be possible again in their lifetimes after Briles was fired and the program was gutted. Because at the end of the day, who cares where you're from or how you talk or what brand of football you play as long as you win? Rhule had proven to be a winner and a wanted commodity.

Though Rhule clearly had other aspirations. I'd wager that long before the 2019 season ended, he knew he wouldn't be coaching at Baylor in 2020 one way or another. That's a large part of why our recruiting for his final class stalled out despite winning a bowl game the year prior and being in the middle of a fantastic season. I don't hold much against Rhule, but that I do. His staff could have had the courtesy to recruit a little harder in 2019.

Rhule flirting with and eventually leaving for the NFL is pretty much the biggest insult imaginable to the people who to this day curse his name. They had rejected him the day he was hired, but now that he proved them wrong and was a winner, he was the one doing the rejecting. He was the one too good for them. And that was humiliating to these people.

"Fine! I never wanted you anyway!"

So rather than looking at Rhule's time at Baylor objectively and acknowledging what he accomplished, navigating us through the worst scandal in our program's history and leaving us far better than when he found us...

...they would rather focus on failures of his tenure, no matter how unimportant they may be. They'd rather remind you Rhule suffered an upset to a Liberty team in its last year as an FCS program just before joining the FBS and having multiple winning years, bowl games, and even a top 25 finish last year. Mind you, this was Rhule's first game and inconsequential to what became a lost season, not to mention in no way being indicative of the times to come under his tenure. A bad loss that shouldn't have happened to be sure, but in the long run, meaningless.

They would rather use Dave Aranda's success in his second year as a way to tear Rhule down and prove that we never needed Rhule after all. (Don't remind these people that if Aranda becomes the next Baylor coach to win at a high level that it would make Mack Rhodes 2/2 in football hires and seem like a pretty good athletic director. They wouldn't like that.)

They would rather do anything than acknowledge that every critical decision Baylor made in 2016 may not have been the death knell for our football program, that Baylor may once again win multiple championships in their lifetimes, and that Baylor may just find itself in the hunt for a national title in the 21st century with a coach not named Arthur Briles.

Because there's too much personal pride at stake and no one likes to admit they're wrong. Which is sad, because we all want the same thing: for the Bears to score more points than the bad guys every autumn Saturday.

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I don't know why this is getting rehashed but I'll say this about Rhule:

1. He never wanted to be here longer than he had to be (that's a fact, he shopped himself annually).

2. His first season was a disaster and that was 100% his fault. You can't tell me the same team that almost beat OU should lose to Liberty, UTSA, etc. There's simply no excuse for that performance. Defending that is ridiculous. Nobody expected 10 wins but 1 was an absolute failure.

3. He was a great hire if we wanted a transitional coach. That's what he became in hindsight, but it was very helpful. He took over for the most successful coach we've ever had and in terrible circumstances. Him coming, winning in his final year, and leaving served as a good transition from Briles to the next guy (turned out to be Aranda) that entered without the baggage of 2016. Aranda also didn't have to follow the most successful era as directly, helping the fans unite more easily behind him.

Why can't we just agree on the above as the general narrative of him and move on? The details between those parts can be argued but all 3 of those points should be obvious to anyone and everyone. Wish him luck or failure from here it doesn't matter, but that's a fine debate. Let's not pretend he was all good or all bad for Baylor, though. That's just factually incorrect and insulting to our collective intelligence.

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Because #2 wasn't 100% on him. bear2be's post shows that. Also there are the very few on here that just like to hate on a successful Baylor coach for whatever reason. He did a lot more good than bad.

https://sicem365.com/forums/2/topics/16111/replies/414600

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Losing to Liberty and UTSA was 100% on him. We could've let the players make it up as they went and won those games. They were bad football teams in lower leagues that had never beaten an FBS team before, ever. The rest is irrelevant. Those games are on him. If you can't admit that then I don't know what else to tell you other than you're dead wrong.

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I don't know why this is getting rehashed but I'll say this about Rhule:

1. He never wanted to be here longer than he had to be (that's a fact, he shopped himself annually).

2. His first season was a disaster and that was 100% his fault. You can't tell me the same team that almost beat OU should lose to Liberty, UTSA, etc. There's simply no excuse for that performance. Defending that is ridiculous. Nobody expected 10 wins but 1 was an absolute failure.

3. He was a great hire if we wanted a transitional coach. That's what he became in hindsight, but it was very helpful. He took over for the most successful coach we've ever had and in terrible circumstances. Him coming, winning in his final year, and leaving served as a good transition from Briles to the next guy (turned out to be Aranda) that entered without the baggage of 2016. Aranda also didn't have to follow the most successful era as directly, helping the fans unite more easily behind him.

Why can't we just agree on the above as the general narrative of him and move on? The details between those parts can be argued but all 3 of those points should be obvious to anyone and everyone. Wish him luck or failure from here it doesn't matter, but that's a fine debate. Let's not pretend he was all good or all bad for Baylor, though. That's just factually incorrect and insulting to our collective intelligence.

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Because #2 wasn't 100% on him. bear2be's post shows that. Also there are the very few on here that just like to hate on a successful Baylor coach for whatever reason. He did a lot more good than bad.

https://sicem365.com/forums/2/topics/16111/replies/414600

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Basically this.

And while I think pretty much everyone agrees that we underachieved in his first year, I think there was a purpose being served in that season that many haters won't acknowledge.

You don't go from where Briles was schematically and philosophically to where Rhule was (and Aranda is) without some serious growing pains. Rhule basically ripped off the band-aid (and a good chunk of skin with it) so that the area could heal back stronger.

There was always a method to the madness. You guys were just too busy mocking the process to see it working. And even after it took us from the outhouse to the penthouse in three years, the usual suspects were still ****ting on him and his staff.

Many of you guys were just dead ass wrong about Matt Rhule and it was easier to attack him than admit that.

And the irony of all ironies is that there's a good chance we'll have kept Rhule longer than we did Aranda when all is said and done.

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I agree with the first year being largely on purpose. Who knows if it worked or not as we can't go back and have him do it differently, but we still should've won those 2 games. It would've been great for the fan base, too.

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I don't know why this is getting rehashed but I'll say this about Rhule:

1. He never wanted to be here longer than he had to be (that's a fact, he shopped himself annually).

2. His first season was a disaster and that was 100% his fault. You can't tell me the same team that almost beat OU should lose to Liberty, UTSA, etc. There's simply no excuse for that performance. Defending that is ridiculous. Nobody expected 10 wins but 1 was an absolute failure.

3. He was a great hire if we wanted a transitional coach. That's what he became in hindsight, but it was very helpful. He took over for the most successful coach we've ever had and in terrible circumstances. Him coming, winning in his final year, and leaving served as a good transition from Briles to the next guy (turned out to be Aranda) that entered without the baggage of 2016. Aranda also didn't have to follow the most successful era as directly, helping the fans unite more easily behind him.

Why can't we just agree on the above as the general narrative of him and move on? The details between those parts can be argued but all 3 of those points should be obvious to anyone and everyone. Wish him luck or failure from here it doesn't matter, but that's a fine debate. Let's not pretend he was all good or all bad for Baylor, though. That's just factually incorrect and insulting to our collective intelligence.

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Because #2 wasn't 100% on him. bear2be's post shows that. Also there are the very few on here that just like to hate on a successful Baylor coach for whatever reason. He did a lot more good than bad.

https://sicem365.com/forums/2/topics/16111/replies/414600

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Losing to Liberty and UTSA was 100% on him. We could've let the players make it up as they went and won those games. They were bad football teams in lower leagues that had never beaten an FBS team before, ever. The rest is irrelevant. Those games are on him. If you can't admit that then I don't know what else to tell you other than you're dead wrong.

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But it wasn't. You should see the link. That was a decimated team he inherited with a toxic scandal to boot.

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I don't know why this is getting rehashed but I'll say this about Rhule:

1. He never wanted to be here longer than he had to be (that's a fact, he shopped himself annually).

2. His first season was a disaster and that was 100% his fault. You can't tell me the same team that almost beat OU should lose to Liberty, UTSA, etc. There's simply no excuse for that performance. Defending that is ridiculous. Nobody expected 10 wins but 1 was an absolute failure.

3. He was a great hire if we wanted a transitional coach. That's what he became in hindsight, but it was very helpful. He took over for the most successful coach we've ever had and in terrible circumstances. Him coming, winning in his final year, and leaving served as a good transition from Briles to the next guy (turned out to be Aranda) that entered without the baggage of 2016. Aranda also didn't have to follow the most successful era as directly, helping the fans unite more easily behind him.

Why can't we just agree on the above as the general narrative of him and move on? The details between those parts can be argued but all 3 of those points should be obvious to anyone and everyone. Wish him luck or failure from here it doesn't matter, but that's a fine debate. Let's not pretend he was all good or all bad for Baylor, though. That's just factually incorrect and insulting to our collective intelligence.

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Because #2 wasn't 100% on him. bear2be's post shows that. Also there are the very few on here that just like to hate on a successful Baylor coach for whatever reason. He did a lot more good than bad.

https://sicem365.com/forums/2/topics/16111/replies/414600

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Basically this.

And while I think pretty much everyone agrees that we underachieved in his first year, I think there was a purpose being served in that season that many haters won't acknowledge.

You don't go from where Briles was schematically and philosophically to where Rhule was (and Aranda is) without some serious growing pains. Rhule basically ripped off the band-aid (and a good chunk of skin with it) so that the area could heal back stronger.

There was always a method to the madness. You guys were just too busy mocking the process to see it working. And even after it took us from the outhouse to the penthouse in three years, the usual suspects were still ****ting on him and his staff.

Many of you guys were just dead ass wrong about Matt Rhule and it was easier to attack him than admit that.

And the irony of all ironies is that there's a good chance we'll have kept Rhule longer than we did Aranda when all is said and done.

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I agree with the first year being largely on purpose. Who knows if it worked or not as we can't go back and have him do it differently, but we still should've won those 2 games. It would've been great for the fan base, too.

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Don't think he is saying it was completely on purpose either. And saying that maybe his style worked or not is ignoring the success that came after and we continue to benefit from.

It appears that Bear8084 and Bear2be2 might be the same person

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It appears that Bear8084 and Bear2b2 might be the same person

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Or not. But nice try though.

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Some of you probably still b*tch about your junior high girlfriend leaving you for another dude. Get over it.

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Are YOU the one who stole her away!?? I've been looking for you!!

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It appears that Bear8084 and Bear2be2 might be the same person

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If everyone who disagrees with your bull**** was the same person, there would be only be about three unique profiles on this site.

As a Panthers fan, I am absolutely rooting my hardest for Matt Rhule at Carolina. As a Baylor alum, Rhule along with other Baylor coaches and players joining the Panthers has made it even easier to root for them.

That being said, I think Rhule left at the best time for himself. The 2019 team had some extremely close wins, and we very easily could have been 9-3 or 8-4 instead of 11-1. I personally don't think the Big 12 was that great that year. I'm still iffy on whether I think Oklahoma was that great or not either. They didn't play anyone in non-conference that year. I think the 11-1 (then becoming 11-3) looked better than reality was.

I hope he can prove it in the NFL. 2019 was awesome, but Rhule did a great job selling himself high.

If his next bigger paycheck comes from LSU...then CMR will be singing Geaux Tigers!

His hypocrisies know no bounds.....

You people are so lame. I love my job but I would entertain each and every option that I felt was a better professional fit for me and a better personal fit for my family. End of story.

The reality is that so many of you saw CMR as Baylor's new girlfriend after a nasty divorce with Art Briles and you're still harboring resentment 4 years later. He inherited a tattered program and turned it around. Get over it. Go see a therapist. Just quit incessantly whining on this board anytime his name comes up.

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Nothing like bringing up former coaches to make the Baylor fans turn into unhinged, jilted ex-lovers.

I wonder if any other fanbase obsesses over their former coaches like this? Like, does WVU openly pine for the days of RichRod? Or spit vitriol constantly at Holgerson? It's very bizarre.

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A successful Baylor coach no-less. I remember the dark days where alum and fans were BEGGING for a coach with a fraction of his skill to just take us to a bowl game, any bowl game.

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Back when Baylor was the Big 12 leech school. . Expectations changes once someone proves you can win here

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And he continued to prove one can win here. And after a toxic scandal.

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He tanked the first season because our fans were going to give him a Mulligan. I wanted him gone and he moved on. Aranda was an upgrade. We are fine

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He didn't tank on purpose. That has been proven on here over and over. That was not a good team.

We are fine for sure. We are in great hands with Aranda and Staff.

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I don't think you know what "proven" means.

No one has done less with more than Matt Rhule in his first year at Baylor.

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Some have made the argument that Aranda did just that last year with the apparently dysfunctional staff he brought in. Of course, he righted the ship damn quick, to his credit, and has shown he is not what that first year might be interpreted as. While Rhule's flirting with the NFL was at best bad form, he didn't hide the desire to coach there, and if he had decided to stay at BU, folks would have been ecstatic. In short, I don't get the bile toward the guy though it does deserve the skepticism. I figured he would be in the NFL long due to his commitment to developing men with character etc., and that the NFL is not exactly the ideal place for that. When the next college AD hires him, he/she will have a lot of contractual strings to go with the income statements.

Pay Dave and his staff, now.

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Aranda's first year being the Covid year should be mentioned. At the time, there was no way to know he was a great coach who could get us back in shape, but in retrospect, a new coach trying to install new schemes and plays had the hardest time during covid, due to fewer team practices.

Rhule doesn't get the benefit of that excuse though. Rhule's first year was one of the worst of all Baylor seasons. We are seeing that Baylor can compete in the major sports every year.

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Nothing like bringing up former coaches to make the Baylor fans turn into unhinged, jilted ex-lovers.

I wonder if any other fanbase obsesses over their former coaches like this? Like, does WVU openly pine for the days of RichRod? Or spit vitriol constantly at Holgerson? It's very bizarre.

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A successful Baylor coach no-less. I remember the dark days where alum and fans were BEGGING for a coach with a fraction of his skill to just take us to a bowl game, any bowl game.

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Back when Baylor was the Big 12 leech school. . Expectations changes once someone proves you can win here

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And he continued to prove one can win here. And after a toxic scandal.

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He tanked the first season because our fans were going to give him a Mulligan. I wanted him gone and he moved on. Aranda was an upgrade. We are fine

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He didn't tank on purpose. That has been proven on here over and over. That was not a good team.

We are fine for sure. We are in great hands with Aranda and Staff.

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I don't think you know what "proven" means.

No one has done less with more than Matt Rhule in his first year at Baylor.

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Some have made the argument that Aranda did just that last year with the apparently dysfunctional staff he brought in. Of course, he righted the ship damn quick, to his credit, and has shown he is not what that first year might be interpreted as. While Rhule's flirting with the NFL was at best bad form, he didn't hide the desire to coach there, and if he had decided to stay at BU, folks would have been ecstatic. In short, I don't get the bile toward the guy though it does deserve the skepticism. I figured he would be in the NFL long due to his commitment to developing men with character etc., and that the NFL is not exactly the ideal place for that. When the next college AD hires him, he/she will have a lot of contractual strings to go with the income statements.

Pay Dave and his staff, now.

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Aranda's first year being the Covid year should be mentioned. At the time, there was no way to know he was a great coach who could get us back in shape, but in retrospect, a new coach trying to install new schemes and plays had the hardest time during covid, due to fewer team practices.

Rhule doesn't get the benefit of that excuse though. Rhule's first year was one of the worst of all Baylor seasons. We are seeing that Baylor can compete in the major sports every year.

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Rhule inherited a fractured program off a major scandal. To suggest there weren't extenuating circumstances in his first year is absurd.

Rhule did a great job and I don't resent him for moving to the NFL. Some of y'all need to chill tf out

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Porteroso said:

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drahthaar said:

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JP1037 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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Bear8084 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Nothing like bringing up former coaches to make the Baylor fans turn into unhinged, jilted ex-lovers.

I wonder if any other fanbase obsesses over their former coaches like this? Like, does WVU openly pine for the days of RichRod? Or spit vitriol constantly at Holgerson? It's very bizarre.

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A successful Baylor coach no-less. I remember the dark days where alum and fans were BEGGING for a coach with a fraction of his skill to just take us to a bowl game, any bowl game.

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Back when Baylor was the Big 12 leech school. . Expectations changes once someone proves you can win here

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And he continued to prove one can win here. And after a toxic scandal.

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He tanked the first season because our fans were going to give him a Mulligan. I wanted him gone and he moved on. Aranda was an upgrade. We are fine

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He didn't tank on purpose. That has been proven on here over and over. That was not a good team.

We are fine for sure. We are in great hands with Aranda and Staff.

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I don't think you know what "proven" means.

No one has done less with more than Matt Rhule in his first year at Baylor.

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Some have made the argument that Aranda did just that last year with the apparently dysfunctional staff he brought in. Of course, he righted the ship damn quick, to his credit, and has shown he is not what that first year might be interpreted as. While Rhule's flirting with the NFL was at best bad form, he didn't hide the desire to coach there, and if he had decided to stay at BU, folks would have been ecstatic. In short, I don't get the bile toward the guy though it does deserve the skepticism. I figured he would be in the NFL long due to his commitment to developing men with character etc., and that the NFL is not exactly the ideal place for that. When the next college AD hires him, he/she will have a lot of contractual strings to go with the income statements.

Pay Dave and his staff, now.

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Aranda's first year being the Covid year should be mentioned. At the time, there was no way to know he was a great coach who could get us back in shape, but in retrospect, a new coach trying to install new schemes and plays had the hardest time during covid, due to fewer team practices.

Rhule doesn't get the benefit of that excuse though. Rhule's first year was one of the worst of all Baylor seasons. We are seeing that Baylor can compete in the major sports every year.

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Rhule inherited a fractured program off a major scandal. To suggest there weren't extenuating circumstances in his first year is absurd.

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I appreciate his later success, but I'd say Grobe inherited a more fractured program, and won more than 1 game. People love to pretend it wasn't as bad as it was, I get it, but that season was a horrible time to be a Baylor fan. The scandal, then just getting trashed on the field.

PartyBear said:

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I would be wary as an AD. He spends no time being loyal to the employer (administration--including the AD) and is a high maintenance employee and the results aren't really good enough to warrant dealing with that drama.

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Well, nowadays, employers (P5 schools) aren't loyal their employees, so it all evens out.

Krieg said:

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I don't know why this is getting rehashed but I'll say this about Rhule:

1. He never wanted to be here longer than he had to be (that's a fact, he shopped himself annually).

2. His first season was a disaster and that was 100% his fault. You can't tell me the same team that almost beat OU should lose to Liberty, UTSA, etc. There's simply no excuse for that performance. Defending that is ridiculous. Nobody expected 10 wins but 1 was an absolute failure.

3. He was a great hire if we wanted a transitional coach. That's what he became in hindsight, but it was very helpful. He took over for the most successful coach we've ever had and in terrible circumstances. Him coming, winning in his final year, and leaving served as a good transition from Briles to the next guy (turned out to be Aranda) that entered without the baggage of 2016. Aranda also didn't have to follow the most successful era as directly, helping the fans unite more easily behind him.

Why can't we just agree on the above as the general narrative of him and move on? The details between those parts can be argued but all 3 of those points should be obvious to anyone and everyone. Wish him luck or failure from here it doesn't matter, but that's a fine debate. Let's not pretend he was all good or all bad for Baylor, though. That's just factually incorrect and insulting to our collective intelligence.

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This is a great post. Agree with all of it. Some here (mostly guys with bear in their name) are unable to agree to #2 because it takes the heat off Briles a bit and they hate him so much and drank so much green BOR PR firm kool-aid they can't look at this as it truly is. So be it. He did some horrific coaching with over 70 3* or 4* players in year one (admittedly scandal made it harder) and some great coaching (luck aided) in year 3. We could have done worse. But he gone. Next guy is doing pretty good and none of our wins are lucky and his offense isn't sad to watch.

Disagree all you want. My opinion is informed but still just an opinion. Take or leave it.

I agree with you and Krieg.

I have a hard time believing all of our football team was rotten. There were some good kids, they graduated, were active in the community, etc. I do feel like 5 to ten players needed to go, but even then it wasn't every player.

Rhule was as much a self promoting mercenary as any coach. The real value IMO was Phil Snow.

bear2be2 said:

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Porteroso said:

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drahthaar said:

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JP1037 said:

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Bear8084 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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Bear8084 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Nothing like bringing up former coaches to make the Baylor fans turn into unhinged, jilted ex-lovers.

I wonder if any other fanbase obsesses over their former coaches like this? Like, does WVU openly pine for the days of RichRod? Or spit vitriol constantly at Holgerson? It's very bizarre.

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A successful Baylor coach no-less. I remember the dark days where alum and fans were BEGGING for a coach with a fraction of his skill to just take us to a bowl game, any bowl game.

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Back when Baylor was the Big 12 leech school. . Expectations changes once someone proves you can win here

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And he continued to prove one can win here. And after a toxic scandal.

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He tanked the first season because our fans were going to give him a Mulligan. I wanted him gone and he moved on. Aranda was an upgrade. We are fine

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He didn't tank on purpose. That has been proven on here over and over. That was not a good team.

We are fine for sure. We are in great hands with Aranda and Staff.

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I don't think you know what "proven" means.

No one has done less with more than Matt Rhule in his first year at Baylor.

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Some have made the argument that Aranda did just that last year with the apparently dysfunctional staff he brought in. Of course, he righted the ship damn quick, to his credit, and has shown he is not what that first year might be interpreted as. While Rhule's flirting with the NFL was at best bad form, he didn't hide the desire to coach there, and if he had decided to stay at BU, folks would have been ecstatic. In short, I don't get the bile toward the guy though it does deserve the skepticism. I figured he would be in the NFL long due to his commitment to developing men with character etc., and that the NFL is not exactly the ideal place for that. When the next college AD hires him, he/she will have a lot of contractual strings to go with the income statements.

Pay Dave and his staff, now.

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Aranda's first year being the Covid year should be mentioned. At the time, there was no way to know he was a great coach who could get us back in shape, but in retrospect, a new coach trying to install new schemes and plays had the hardest time during covid, due to fewer team practices.

Rhule doesn't get the benefit of that excuse though. Rhule's first year was one of the worst of all Baylor seasons. We are seeing that Baylor can compete in the major sports every year.

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Rhule inherited a fractured program off a major scandal. To suggest there weren't extenuating circumstances in his first year is absurd.

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Reasons for a step back but not losing to Liberty and UTSA. I don't think you realize how bad they were that year but they were awful. Defending that is ridiculous. Liberty is still our only FCS loss EVER despite a lot of bad years of Baylor football. Taking a bowl winning team to that low and then winning a bowl the next season proves it was a coaching failure. We were starting most of the same guys.

Krieg said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Porteroso said:

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drahthaar said:

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JP1037 said:

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Bear8084 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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Bear8084 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Nothing like bringing up former coaches to make the Baylor fans turn into unhinged, jilted ex-lovers.

I wonder if any other fanbase obsesses over their former coaches like this? Like, does WVU openly pine for the days of RichRod? Or spit vitriol constantly at Holgerson? It's very bizarre.

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A successful Baylor coach no-less. I remember the dark days where alum and fans were BEGGING for a coach with a fraction of his skill to just take us to a bowl game, any bowl game.

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Back when Baylor was the Big 12 leech school. . Expectations changes once someone proves you can win here

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And he continued to prove one can win here. And after a toxic scandal.

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He tanked the first season because our fans were going to give him a Mulligan. I wanted him gone and he moved on. Aranda was an upgrade. We are fine

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He didn't tank on purpose. That has been proven on here over and over. That was not a good team.

We are fine for sure. We are in great hands with Aranda and Staff.

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I don't think you know what "proven" means.

No one has done less with more than Matt Rhule in his first year at Baylor.

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Some have made the argument that Aranda did just that last year with the apparently dysfunctional staff he brought in. Of course, he righted the ship damn quick, to his credit, and has shown he is not what that first year might be interpreted as. While Rhule's flirting with the NFL was at best bad form, he didn't hide the desire to coach there, and if he had decided to stay at BU, folks would have been ecstatic. In short, I don't get the bile toward the guy though it does deserve the skepticism. I figured he would be in the NFL long due to his commitment to developing men with character etc., and that the NFL is not exactly the ideal place for that. When the next college AD hires him, he/she will have a lot of contractual strings to go with the income statements.

Pay Dave and his staff, now.

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Aranda's first year being the Covid year should be mentioned. At the time, there was no way to know he was a great coach who could get us back in shape, but in retrospect, a new coach trying to install new schemes and plays had the hardest time during covid, due to fewer team practices.

Rhule doesn't get the benefit of that excuse though. Rhule's first year was one of the worst of all Baylor seasons. We are seeing that Baylor can compete in the major sports every year.

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Rhule inherited a fractured program off a major scandal. To suggest there weren't extenuating circumstances in his first year is absurd.

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Reasons for a step back but not losing to Liberty and UTSA. I don't think you realize how bad they were that year but they were awful. Defending that is ridiculous. Liberty is still our only FCS loss EVER despite a lot of bad years of Baylor football. Taking a bowl winning team to that low and then winning a bowl the next season proves it was a coaching failure. We were starting most of the same guys.

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No one is defending those losses. That Baylor team shouldn't have lost to Liberty or UTSA, and I've seen no one argue otherwise.

But Matt Rhule and Co. didn't forget how to coach on the plane ride from Philly to Waco or remember how to in 2018. They sacrificed wins that first year to get their players on board with the vision that made the next two seasons possible. And given that that 2017 team had about a four-win ceiling, I'm not going to get bent out of shape over a transition year that meant absolutely nothing in the long run.

Panthers really needed a win against 4-7 Dolphins today to keep playoff hopes alive.

Not looking good right now down 30-10 with 6 minutes left. Natives starting to get a little restless.

Playoffs remain a possibility for the Panthers. The Saints have already lost. That helps. But Matt Rhule's team has to start taking care of its own business. A seven-step to ending the Panthers' 3-year playoff drought:https://t.co/FY7fgtcwVP

— Joe Person (@josephperson) November 28, 2021

If I hear Matt Rhule talk about "the brand" one more time I may vomit.

— Jeremy Igo (@CarolinaHuddle) November 28, 2021

So, do you fire Matt Rhule after two years of his seven-year deal?

— Jason Huber (@_JasonHuber) November 28, 2021

Panthers lost at home to 5-7 Atlanta today. That makes 5 straight losses at home.

CMC out again….that guy hasn't been able to stay on the field the last 2 years. They've got bad QB play from Cam and PJ Walker. They are a mess on offense. Tough sledding in this league without a decent QB.

Rhule made it in this one.

Ask yourself. If Aranda took another job would you feel the same way as you feel about Rhule? I wouldn't. Rhule was a carpetbagger and a snake oil salesman from the word go.

And let's be clear about what the scandal was really about. The scandal was a function of a lame duck board of directors that were too busy taking selfies with the team rather than fulfilling their responsibilities as board members and managing the leadership of the university. That's why most of these board members aren't being asked to serve on other boards,

Our largest BMD called the scandal preventable. I'll take his word over everyone else's.

Matt Rhule certainly took it on the chin for our program and endured a lot of bad press.

But the board was responsible first and foremost for the scandal.

CMC has been out….he's playing a recycled Cam at QB…. And today he loses his place kicker to injury just before the game starts. Been snake bit this year.

The loss guarantees the Panthers will finish with a losing record for the fourth consecutive season and leaves Matt Rhule with a 10-20 record through 30 games.

— Joe Person (@josephperson) December 19, 2021

boognish_bear said:

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CMC has been out….he's playing a recycled Cam at QB…. And today he loses his place kicker to injury just before the game starts. Been snake bit this year.

The loss guarantees the Panthers will finish with a losing record for the fourth consecutive season and leaves Matt Rhule with a 10-20 record through 30 games.

— Joe Person (@josephperson) December 19, 2021

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Wouldn't be shocked if Rhule got fired this off-season.

BearTruth13 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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CMC has been out….he's playing a recycled Cam at QB…. And today he loses his place kicker to injury just before the game starts. Been snake bit this year.

The loss guarantees the Panthers will finish with a losing record for the fourth consecutive season and leaves Matt Rhule with a 10-20 record through 30 games.

— Joe Person (@josephperson) December 19, 2021

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Wouldn't be shocked if Rhule got fired this off-season.

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I hope they give him one more year and he finds a half decent quarterback… But the NFL is not very patient and they are paying him a ton