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Instead of 4 day school weeks I wish more districts would go to year round school with the breaks spread out more. It can be done where you still get a long break in summer, maybe the whole month of July, and it doesn't impact sports, college entrance, etc. and improves all aspects of school from discipline, attendance, grades, graduation rates, test scores, teacher burnout, etc.

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I doubt year round school will prevent teacher burnout. Like I'd be willing to bet The King Ranch that year round school will not help with teacher burnout in any form or fashion.

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I think it is something that would help and something that some studies should be done on, if not already done, to see if it helps.

I haven't looked at it a lot but teacher burnout reduction is always one of the pros I have seen for year round school so I would think there is something behind that claim (data, retention, teachers reporting less stress, etc.) for it to be used but it could just be a talking point.

I'd rather look into it to see if it is a solution for many areas posted above then just dismiss it without facts.

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I'm not dismissing it outright without facts. I'm married to a teacher. Her mom was a teacher. Her friends are mostly teachers. From February on during the school year, they are counting down the days until it is over.

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reason number 472983 to home school your kids

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It's not the teachers' fault. You should come sit at the dinner table and listen to the crap I have to hear about her work....every damn day. It's a nightmare what our public school teachers have to put up with these days.

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It's amazing how infallible and omniscient Junior really is as he punches other kids on a daily basis and school district just shrugs and moves on.

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As Trey said that is not the teacher's fault. Sometimes it isn't even the District's fault. It is the state legislature or the court system.

for example did you know there are laws in place that say a child below 3rd grade CANNOT be suspended? Except for very specific drug, weapon, or other serious cases. Assault is in there but the courts have stepped in several times to say a single punch is not assault by a young child. Or the laws in place for special education students. Or any of the many others that have tied schools hands in many cases.

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Sure did, my wife is a 2nd grade teacher and they had a student in a team mate's class that they couldn't do anything about that was beating up on teachers/students until the state institutionalized him for a while on a different matter. It was a sad situation where even with physical violence that district didn't or couldn't do much.

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Like I said, homeschool your kids. The system will never be able to care for your kid like you do.

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Just like you won't be able to properly educate kids like qualified teachers do.

Looking back at COVID lockdown. In 6 months many students fell so far behind because their parents couldn't/ didn't want to spend the time to do the minimum that schools asked.

Keep pushing home school though.

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"qualified teachers" haha, ok

"Since 1995, Texas law has allowed school districts to issue a school district teaching permit (SDTP) to someone who does not hold a teaching certificate (Texas Education Code 21.055). A teacher employed on a school district teaching permit is not certified by the State Board for Educator Certification (SBEC)." -- directly from the TEA website

but whatever makes you feel better about that public school education

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that doesn't mean they're indefinitely hired without a permit. You have to get the permit eventually. I could get hired to teach tomorrow if I wanted to. I don't have a permit, but I have a Master's Degree in a field that works well in teaching quite a few subjects. I'd still have to get a permit eventually, and I wouldn't be paid requisitely until I did.

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But just think of all the little Johnny's and Suzy's that weren't "properly educated" before you became a "qualified teacher"

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But just think about all the awkward, unhireable home taught kids that have zero interpersonal skills and think the David statue is pornographic. Go for it. There are a subset of folks that can properly raise and school kids at home. The vast majority of the country has a hard time doing A, let alone saddling up B.

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Doesn't sound like any home school kids I know.

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Definitely sounds like my cousin's kids. One is in college and in therapy for it and one of her younger brothers is asking for help now as well. Absolutely no social skills for the real world that is producing a lot of anxiety.

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Well, if that "socialization" is teaching girls they might actually be boys, I think I'll pass.

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I am a Texas public educator for 15 years and I have never seen or heard that. It is a unicorn that certain media outlets push to drive outrage which drives ratings.

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False. It is happening in schools in every state. There are multiple threads on here with links to various social media or news with actual teachers talking about how they teach that in their classrooms.

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Well, if that "socialization" is teaching girls they might actually be boys, I think I'll pass.

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I am a Texas public educator for 15 years and I have never seen or heard that. It is a unicorn that certain media outlets push to drive outrage which drives ratings.

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False. It is happening in schools in every state. There are multiple threads on here with links to various social media or news with actual teachers talking about how they teach that in their classrooms.

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And people win the lottery and lightning hits some people. It happens, but not often. The right wing media outrage machine is designed to stoke outrage for ratings. But in reality what you fear is isolated. I would bet teacher sexual misconduct is much more prevalent and something to worry about.

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Lol. This is happening much more than people winning the lottery or lightning strikes. But keep your head in the sand.

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wonder if taxes decrease 20%

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They still have to teach the same number of hours as they did previously unless they are going beyond the state minimum currently.

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buildings closed, less AC and other utilities, no bus service or cafeteria staff, cleaning crew, etc. Should be a lot of savings. Just don't think kids will learn well in it.

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Instead of 4 day school weeks I wish more districts would go to year round school with the breaks spread out more. It can be done where you still get a long break in summer, maybe the whole month of July, and it doesn't impact sports, college entrance, etc. and improves all aspects of school from discipline, attendance, grades, graduation rates, test scores, teacher burnout, etc.

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I doubt year round school will prevent teacher burnout. Like I'd be willing to bet The King Ranch that year round school will not help with teacher burnout in any form or fashion.

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I think it is something that would help and something that some studies should be done on, if not already done, to see if it helps.

I haven't looked at it a lot but teacher burnout reduction is always one of the pros I have seen for year round school so I would think there is something behind that claim (data, retention, teachers reporting less stress, etc.) for it to be used but it could just be a talking point.

I'd rather look into it to see if it is a solution for many areas posted above then just dismiss it without facts.

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I'm not dismissing it outright without facts. I'm married to a teacher. Her mom was a teacher. Her friends are mostly teachers. From February on during the school year, they are counting down the days until it is over.

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reason number 472983 to home school your kids

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It's not the teachers' fault. You should come sit at the dinner table and listen to the crap I have to hear about her work....every damn day. It's a nightmare what our public school teachers have to put up with these days.

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Agreed, but politicians tend to believe not only is our education system entirely broken, but we need to just keep what we are doing and throw even more taxpayer money at the industry while it accomplishes less and less for these kids and for society as a whole.

And, I get it: the teachers have to follow the instructions and curriculum that is coerced on them by the industry.

But, as a society, public education is ultimately creating an American workforce that cannot compete with China and other developing countries.

It just creates a bunch of socially indoctrinated idiots who are worthy of nothing except their potential to be controlled according to their needs.

And maybe that's what our government really wants out of its people: not a people who have hand a in government but government that has its hands in everything.

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wonder if taxes decrease 20%

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They still have to teach the same number of hours as they did previously unless they are going beyond the state minimum currently.

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buildings closed, less AC and other utilities, no bus service or cafeteria staff, cleaning crew, etc. Should be a lot of savings. Just don't think kids will learn well in it.

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Not as much as you would think.

You are going to cut the pay of hourly staff because you go to a four day week? Then you have no staff. Their pay will stay the same. Buildings won't be closed as the teachers will still be in their rooms two Fridays a month for planning, grading and parent teacher conferences which they squeeze into normal days now.

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wonder if taxes decrease 20%

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They still have to teach the same number of hours as they did previously unless they are going beyond the state minimum currently.

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buildings closed, less AC and other utilities, no bus service or cafeteria staff, cleaning crew, etc. Should be a lot of savings. Just don't think kids will learn well in it.

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As pointed out in the post above the teachers will still be there some Fridays.

Also, basically every Friday of the year from August until May there will be some sort of sport going on so you will have coaches there, players there, etc. so lights and AC will be on.

For the AC/heat it also depends on if it is centrally controlled or individual rooms/areas and any goes by to check the thermostat every Thursday to make sure it is set at a lower level for the 3 days it is closed.

The big issue will be the hourly staff and if they are only working 4 days at the same pay rate and thus getting less money or if they work Fridays to do things that are hard to do when kids are there- like waxing floors, buffing, deep cleaning, maintenance, etc.

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wonder if taxes decrease 20%

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They still have to teach the same number of hours as they did previously unless they are going beyond the state minimum currently.

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buildings closed, less AC and other utilities, no bus service or cafeteria staff, cleaning crew, etc. Should be a lot of savings. Just don't think kids will learn well in it.

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Not as much as you would think.

You are going to cut the pay of hourly staff because you go to a four day week? Then you have no staff. Their pay will stay the same. Buildings won't be closed as the teachers will still be in their rooms two Fridays a month for planning, grading and parent teacher conferences which they squeeze into normal days now.

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. Naw. When government is closed the buildings close as well.

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wonder if taxes decrease 20%

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They still have to teach the same number of hours as they did previously unless they are going beyond the state minimum currently.

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buildings closed, less AC and other utilities, no bus service or cafeteria staff, cleaning crew, etc. Should be a lot of savings. Just don't think kids will learn well in it.

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Not as much as you would think.

You are going to cut the pay of hourly staff because you go to a four day week? Then you have no staff. Their pay will stay the same. Buildings won't be closed as the teachers will still be in their rooms two Fridays a month for planning, grading and parent teacher conferences which they squeeze into normal days now.

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. Naw. When government is closed the buildings close as well.

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Are you arguing the principle or the facts?

Neither. Just arguing to argue. Time well spent.

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Neither. Just arguing to argue. Time well spent.

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pot meet kettle.

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baylrballa said:

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wonder if taxes decrease 20%

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They still have to teach the same number of hours as they did previously unless they are going beyond the state minimum currently.

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buildings closed, less AC and other utilities, no bus service or cafeteria staff, cleaning crew, etc. Should be a lot of savings. Just don't think kids will learn well in it.

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Not as much as you would think.

You are going to cut the pay of hourly staff because you go to a four day week? Then you have no staff. Their pay will stay the same. Buildings won't be closed as the teachers will still be in their rooms two Fridays a month for planning, grading and parent teacher conferences which they squeeze into normal days now.

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. Naw. When government is closed the buildings close as well.

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Except that China Spring has announced that they are not closed on Fridays... just no students. Staff will still work. So the building will not be empty.

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Ghostrider said:

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wonder if taxes decrease 20%

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They still have to teach the same number of hours as they did previously unless they are going beyond the state minimum currently.

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buildings closed, less AC and other utilities, no bus service or cafeteria staff, cleaning crew, etc. Should be a lot of savings. Just don't think kids will learn well in it.

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Not as much as you would think.

You are going to cut the pay of hourly staff because you go to a four day week? Then you have no staff. Their pay will stay the same. Buildings won't be closed as the teachers will still be in their rooms two Fridays a month for planning, grading and parent teacher conferences which they squeeze into normal days now.

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. Naw. When government is closed the buildings close as well.

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Except that China Spring has announced that they are not closed on Fridays... just no students. Staff will still work. So the building will not be empty.

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Looks like savings will be a meager 5.06%

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wonder if taxes decrease 20%

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They still have to teach the same number of hours as they did previously unless they are going beyond the state minimum currently.

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buildings closed, less AC and other utilities, no bus service or cafeteria staff, cleaning crew, etc. Should be a lot of savings. Just don't think kids will learn well in it.

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Not as much as you would think.

You are going to cut the pay of hourly staff because you go to a four day week? Then you have no staff. Their pay will stay the same. Buildings won't be closed as the teachers will still be in their rooms two Fridays a month for planning, grading and parent teacher conferences which they squeeze into normal days now.

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. Naw. When government is closed the buildings close as well.

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Except that China Spring has announced that they are not closed on Fridays... just no students. Staff will still work. So the building will not be empty.

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Looks like savings will be a meager 5.06%

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You know what 5% savings on a $25mm budget does???

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cowboycwr said:

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sipembeers said:

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baylrballa said:

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wonder if taxes decrease 20%

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They still have to teach the same number of hours as they did previously unless they are going beyond the state minimum currently.

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buildings closed, less AC and other utilities, no bus service or cafeteria staff, cleaning crew, etc. Should be a lot of savings. Just don't think kids will learn well in it.

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Not as much as you would think.

You are going to cut the pay of hourly staff because you go to a four day week? Then you have no staff. Their pay will stay the same. Buildings won't be closed as the teachers will still be in their rooms two Fridays a month for planning, grading and parent teacher conferences which they squeeze into normal days now.

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. Naw. When government is closed the buildings close as well.

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Except that China Spring has announced that they are not closed on Fridays... just no students. Staff will still work. So the building will not be empty.

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Looks like savings will be a meager 5.06%

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Just curious where you got the number from? I had not seen that in any article.

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baylrballa said:

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wonder if taxes decrease 20%

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They still have to teach the same number of hours as they did previously unless they are going beyond the state minimum currently.

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buildings closed, less AC and other utilities, no bus service or cafeteria staff, cleaning crew, etc. Should be a lot of savings. Just don't think kids will learn well in it.

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Not as much as you would think.

You are going to cut the pay of hourly staff because you go to a four day week? Then you have no staff. Their pay will stay the same. Buildings won't be closed as the teachers will still be in their rooms two Fridays a month for planning, grading and parent teacher conferences which they squeeze into normal days now.

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. Naw. When government is closed the buildings close as well.

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Except that China Spring has announced that they are not closed on Fridays... just no students. Staff will still work. So the building will not be empty.

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Looks like savings will be a meager 5.06%

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You know what 5% savings on a $25mm budget does???

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actually, it's a 32mm budget. He doesn't care though.

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baylrballa said:

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wonder if taxes decrease 20%

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They still have to teach the same number of hours as they did previously unless they are going beyond the state minimum currently.

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buildings closed, less AC and other utilities, no bus service or cafeteria staff, cleaning crew, etc. Should be a lot of savings. Just don't think kids will learn well in it.

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Not as much as you would think.

You are going to cut the pay of hourly staff because you go to a four day week? Then you have no staff. Their pay will stay the same. Buildings won't be closed as the teachers will still be in their rooms two Fridays a month for planning, grading and parent teacher conferences which they squeeze into normal days now.

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. Naw. When government is closed the buildings close as well.

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Except that China Spring has announced that they are not closed on Fridays... just no students. Staff will still work. So the building will not be empty.

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Looks like savings will be a meager 5.06%

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Just curious where you got the number from? I had not seen that in any article.

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It was a study I read.....Here is another one that is close "A RAND study that surveyed families and staff at districts in Colorado, Idaho, Missouri, Montana, New Mexico, Oklahoma and South Dakota found that schools that change to a four-day schedule save some money, but not much less than 5% of their operating costs and have similar student attendance as schools with longer weeks. Shortened school weeks have also created childcare problems for some families, especially those with lower incomes."

and another
Four-Day School Week Overview (ncsl.org)

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Marlin ISD moving to 4 day week as well

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I'm sure this will help their piss poor school system lol

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https://www.kwtx.com/2022/08/15/marlin-isd-receives-their-best-tea-score-ten-years-with-an-increase-30-points-2019/

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But they still aren't accredited by TEa, correct?

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As of 2022, they are accredited. It's a rare pandemic-era success story in Texas education.

https://tea4avcastro.tea.state.tx.us/accountability/accreditation/2022_2023_accreditation_statuses.html

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Not so fast my friend.....

https://www.kwtx.com/2023/05/24/marlin-isd-considers-delaying-graduation-after-only-five-seniors-found-eligible-graduate/?fbclid=IwAR3slhaW7i30cj1I_JR5n4-xNUEKocjqAawxB5xoufmSeXggAr88bFXrtjY

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UrsinusInfction said:

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UrsinusInfction said:

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1outawayBear said:

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Mike E said:

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Marlin ISD moving to 4 day week as well

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I'm sure this will help their piss poor school system lol

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https://www.kwtx.com/2022/08/15/marlin-isd-receives-their-best-tea-score-ten-years-with-an-increase-30-points-2019/

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But they still aren't accredited by TEa, correct?

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As of 2022, they are accredited. It's a rare pandemic-era success story in Texas education.

https://tea4avcastro.tea.state.tx.us/accountability/accreditation/2022_2023_accreditation_statuses.html

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Not so fast my friend.....

https://www.kwtx.com/2023/05/24/marlin-isd-considers-delaying-graduation-after-only-five-seniors-found-eligible-graduate/?fbclid=IwAR3slhaW7i30cj1I_JR5n4-xNUEKocjqAawxB5xoufmSeXggAr88bFXrtjY

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As I said earlier in the thread... The state messed up scores so badly last year by just not counting any category that was failing and thus inflating so many schools or districts scores and now that the protection of not counting those categories is gone many schools will see big drops in their ratings.

https://www.kwtx.com/2023/05/24/marlin-isd-considers-delaying-graduation-after-only-five-seniors-found-eligible-graduate/?outputType=amp

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Marlin High School on Wednesday announced its high school graduation will be rescheduled for June to give more than two dozen seniors more time to meet requirements to graduate.

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They held a parent meeting last night and apparently it is now up to 17 that will graduate.


https://www.kwtx.com/2023/05/25/parents-demand-answers-after-marlin-high-seniors-found-ineligible-graduate-days-before-ceremony/

Some of the parents sound like they were not very involved saying they didn't know their child had absences or failing grades that could impact graduation.

Others sound like they don't understand how school works that grades and attendance count right up to the end of school and that their claim of "not getting a phone call until a few days ago" makes it sound like they expected their child should be cleared for graduation or not months ago or something.

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They held a parent meeting last night and apparently it is now up to 17 that will graduate.


https://www.kwtx.com/2023/05/25/parents-demand-answers-after-marlin-high-seniors-found-ineligible-graduate-days-before-ceremony/

Some of the parents sound like they were not very involved saying they didn't know their child had absences or failing grades that could impact graduation.

Others sound like they don't understand how school works that grades and attendance count right up to the end of school and that their claim of "not getting a phone call until a few days ago" makes it sound like they expected their child should be cleared for graduation or not months ago or something.

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I don't know what's true or false in their stories, but I do know that parents are contacted every which to Sunday about absences and failing grades in Lorena (my wife teaches there) and in China Spring (daughter teaches there).

They most likely knew about their absences and failing grades. They were most likely told the severity (not graduating) when the counselor was trying to certify the seniors.

I would guess that Marlin has policies in place to deal with these issues. The students and parents failed to comply. Now they're trying to due back flips to fix it.

They'll get there degree at the end of summer school.

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They held a parent meeting last night and apparently it is now up to 17 that will graduate.


https://www.kwtx.com/2023/05/25/parents-demand-answers-after-marlin-high-seniors-found-ineligible-graduate-days-before-ceremony/

Some of the parents sound like they were not very involved saying they didn't know their child had absences or failing grades that could impact graduation.

Others sound like they don't understand how school works that grades and attendance count right up to the end of school and that their claim of "not getting a phone call until a few days ago" makes it sound like they expected their child should be cleared for graduation or not months ago or something.

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[The racial makeup of the city was 41.84% White, 44.48% African American, 11.62% from other races, and 1.58% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino people of any race were 18.30% of the population.
There were 2,415 households... 22.5% had a female householder with no husband present, and 37.5% were non-families.
The median income for a household in the city was $21,443, and the median income for a family was $26,861. Males had a median income of $25,220 versus $18,111 for females. The per capita income for the city was $13,555. About 27.9% of families and 31.3% of the population were below the poverty line, including 40.8% of those under age 18 and 16.8% of those age 65 or over.]

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They held a parent meeting last night and apparently it is now up to 17 that will graduate.


https://www.kwtx.com/2023/05/25/parents-demand-answers-after-marlin-high-seniors-found-ineligible-graduate-days-before-ceremony/

Some of the parents sound like they were not very involved saying they didn't know their child had absences or failing grades that could impact graduation.

Others sound like they don't understand how school works that grades and attendance count right up to the end of school and that their claim of "not getting a phone call until a few days ago" makes it sound like they expected their child should be cleared for graduation or not months ago or something.

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I don't know what's true or false in their stories, but I do know that parents are contacted every which to Sunday about absences and failing grades in Lorena (my wife teaches there) and in China Spring (daughter teaches there).

They most likely knew about their absences and failing grades. They were most likely told the severity (not graduating) when the counselor was trying to certify the seniors.

I would guess that Marlin has policies in place to deal with these issues. The students and parents failed to comply. Now they're trying to due back flips to fix it.

They'll get there degree at the end of summer school.

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I agree. I am sure the district has an automated system to call parents about absences (like just about every other district in TX), has had multiple meetings with the parents about grades/attendance (or attempted to), sent letters home, had many of them in the truancy process, etc.