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I had heard it was a diverging diamond there.

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Changed to dog bone for same concerns I voiced.

https://ftp.txdot.gov/pub/txdot/get-involved/wac/us84-spur298/041823-presentation-script.pdf

Coming to 84 and 340. Waco loses 1 flyover ramp but due to pick up 2 more.

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FirmBear24 said:

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I had heard it was a diverging diamond there.

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Changed to dog bone for same concerns I voiced.

https://ftp.txdot.gov/pub/txdot/get-involved/wac/us84-spur298/041823-presentation-script.pdf

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How does that even work? If traveling from left to right and you want to go straight do you get the right of way or does the car coming from the bottom traveling up? (Picture directions)

Seems like it would just create massive back ups during even moderate traffic let alone rush hours.

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Coming to 84 and 340. Waco loses 1 flyover ramp but due to pick up 2 more.

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That intersection has needed them for a long time.

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Coming to 84 and 340. Waco loses 1 flyover ramp but due to pick up 2 more.

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That intersection has needed them for a long time.

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yup, way over due

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Coming to 84 and 340. Waco loses 1 flyover ramp but due to pick up 2 more.

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That intersection has needed them for a long time.

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yup, way over due

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Going to be even longer past due by the time this thing actually happens (if it ever does).

The Highway 84 work, now a separate $215 million project, remains in the state's long-range plan, though it is not expected to go out for construction bids until 2030-35, according to the plan.

Not sure if this has been mentioned lately in this thread, but the much-needed overpass at Franklin and New Road is set to start construction in 2027.



Waco Tribune-Herald link

Work to add an overpass at Franklin Avenue and New Road remains a year and a half away, but the project received an extra $8 million allocation under the state's recently approved 10-year Unified Transportation Program.

The budget for the project, which will also do away with service roads and add additional main lanes between Valley Mills Drive and Franklin's split with Highway 84, now stands at $44.7 million, funded by the Waco Metropolitan Planning Organization's locally controlled allocation of state transportation funding. The Texas Department of Transportation is now expected to take bids from contractors late next year, with work starting by early 2027 and continuing an estimated 12 to 15 months.

The $8 million bump in the cost estimate primarily accounts for rising costs of materials, equipment and labor, TxDOT spokesperson Jake Smith said.

The work will unfold in the middle of the ongoing Interstate 35 reconstruction between 12th Street and South Loop 340, leaving two major routes from the Hewitt and Woodway area to downtown Waco disrupted at the same time. The I-35 work is expected to continue into 2029. All businesses along Franklin will remain accessible during the work, Smith said.

Many of the timing decisions on these types of large projects are driven in part by the availability of state funding and statewide contracting schedules, Waco MPO Director Mukesh Kumar said.

The I-35 "project was much larger and most critical of all projects and it had to be scheduled as soon as funding became available," Kumar said. "The MPO Policy board is closely monitoring the timing and management of other projects to keep construction related disruptions to the minimum."

Local transportation officials for decades have been considering changes to the intersection at Franklin and New Road, including a short-lived proposal in 2019 for a "Michigan left" setup, which would have done away with left turns from New Road, instead requiring drivers to turn right on Franklin then make a U-turn.

TxDOT first presented the project in its current form during public meetings in 2022, though at the time it was linked with a larger overhaul of Highway 84 between Woodway and Waco. The Highway 84 work, now a separate $215 million project, remains in the state's long-range plan, though it is not expected to go out for construction bids until 2030-35, according to the plan.

For most of the length of the Franklin project, the service roads will be reconstructed into main lanes, with three or four lanes leading toward Woodway and four or five lanes leading toward downtown Waco, Smith said.

A portion of the current main lanes will be rebuilt for the overpass over New Road, while most of the rest of the current main lanes will be turned into median after the new main lanes are complete, Smith said. Businesses' driveway access in some places will be consolidated to meet current state design standards, he said.

With the removal of the service roads, every cross street in the project area will be affected.

This is government brilliance at its best. Let's tear up I-35 and the best alternative for city traffic at the same time. This will mean that Waco Drive will become a parking lot too, so we will have no good roadway to go into Waco from the south.

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This is government brilliance at its best. Let's tear up I-35 and the best alternative for city traffic at the same time. This will mean that Waco Drive will become a parking lot too, so we will have no good roadway to go into Waco from the south.

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well all 3 of them are being worked on right now, so there's precedent

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For those not knowing what a diverging diamond is, but you want to study up on it to hate it in advance, here ya go.

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Oh my God. That looks psychotic. Put me in the expat old Waconian that hates it column. I'm one of those people yogi talks about. When I come into town, I still just drive around and look at shells of places I remember as a kid. Molitors. Holzes, Sears, 25th Steet. Sort of sad.

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For those not knowing what a diverging diamond is, but you want to study up on it to hate it in advance, here ya go.

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Oh my God. That looks psychotic. Put me in the expat old Waconian that hates it column. I'm one of those people yogi talks about. When I come into town, I still just drive around and look at shells of places I remember as a kid. Molitors. Holzes, Sears, 25th Steet. Sort of sad.

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Heck add valley mills to that list.

It used to be most everything seemed to be off that road. Lots of restaurants, stores, car dealers, etc.

Now all but the Chevy dealer has moved to highway 6 or just closed completely in Waco, the stores are all along 35 as well as the restaurants and only the small stores along VM remain. The movie theater there is trash and has been for a long time.

I am honestly surprised target hasn't built a second store or moved the other one.

Target is probably trying to get overflow traffic from For Keeps. I am constantly amazed how packed that place is given its location. Especially with Baylor students.

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Target is probably trying to get overflow traffic from For Keeps. I am constantly amazed how packed that place is given its location. Especially with Baylor students.

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When your other options are the Bellmead and/or Franklin Walmart, Target sounds mighty appealing in comparison.

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For those not knowing what a diverging diamond is, but you want to study up on it to hate it in advance, here ya go.

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Oh my God. That looks psychotic. Put me in the expat old Waconian that hates it column. I'm one of those people yogi talks about. When I come into town, I still just drive around and look at shells of places I remember as a kid. Molitors. Holzes, Sears, 25th Steet. Sort of sad.

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This is much ado about nothing. This exists in Norman and the times I have exited there, I didn't notice it was that much different.

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For those not knowing what a diverging diamond is, but you want to study up on it to hate it in advance, here ya go.

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Oh my God. That looks psychotic. Put me in the expat old Waconian that hates it column. I'm one of those people yogi talks about. When I come into town, I still just drive around and look at shells of places I remember as a kid. Molitors. Holzes, Sears, 25th Steet. Sort of sad.

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This is much ado about nothing. This exists in Norman and the times I have exited there, I didn't notice it was that much different.

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I mean, If the simple people in Norman can deal with, surely the simple folk of McLennan County can…….

The amount of input on this thread for a school that didn't even offer engineering degrees until the 21st century is stunning

We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.


And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Lol! I totally agree! This comment brought a little nostalgia to me. Your comment here reminded me of an old thread on BFans from literally about 20 years ago, 2005 or so. It was a humorous look at how bad drivers are in Waco. This green light means go but only after 15 seconds concept was one of the points mentioned in that OP.

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

cowboycwr said:

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

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ok, but that's not what I said.

Funky Town Bear said:

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

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ok, but that's not what I said.

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Again you didn't read what I posted. I posted that people are getting upset and doing all the things from my first post long before the last instant. They are merging with a mile left of road. They are driving for over 1/4 of a mile of road trying to block both lanes.

And they are flipping off, honking and yelling at those that try to pass and merge closer to the barriers. Not the last instant but within the last few hundred yards as it is designed to be.

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The amount of input on this thread for a school that didn't even offer engineering degrees until the 21st century is stunning

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for all their chest pounding, the aggy engineers get us a lot of hullabaloo, and not very much connect connect.

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That is pretty damn clever. Well done! Unfortunately, it looks like this thread has moved on to a topic that generates more heat than a fresh dog turd in July --- the zipper merge.

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

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ok, but that's not what I said.

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Again you didn't read what I posted. I posted that people are getting upset and doing all the things from my first post lol before the last instant. They are merging with a mile left of road. They are driving for over 1/4 of a mile of road trying to block both lanes.

And they are flipping off, honking and yelling at those that try to pass and merge closer to the barriers. Not the last instant but within the last few hundred yards as it is designed to be.

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I completely understood what you typed the first time. lol

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

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ok, but that's not what I said.

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Again you didn't read what I posted. I posted that people are getting upset and doing all the things from my first post lol before the last instant. They are merging with a mile left of road. They are driving for over 1/4 of a mile of road trying to block both lanes.

And they are flipping off, honking and yelling at those that try to pass and merge closer to the barriers. Not the last instant but within the last few hundred yards as it is designed to be.

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I completely understood what you typed the first time. lol

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Clearly you didn't because you made some comment about waiting to the last second/millimeter of road when that was not what I was talking about.

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

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ok, but that's not what I said.

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Again you didn't read what I posted. I posted that people are getting upset and doing all the things from my first post lol before the last instant. They are merging with a mile left of road. They are driving for over 1/4 of a mile of road trying to block both lanes.

And they are flipping off, honking and yelling at those that try to pass and merge closer to the barriers. Not the last instant but within the last few hundred yards as it is designed to be.

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I completely understood what you typed the first time. lol

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Clearly you didn't because you made some comment about waiting to the last second/millimeter of road when that was not what I was talking about.

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

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ok, but that's not what I said.

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Again you didn't read what I posted. I posted that people are getting upset and doing all the things from my first post lol before the last instant. They are merging with a mile left of road. They are driving for over 1/4 of a mile of road trying to block both lanes.

And they are flipping off, honking and yelling at those that try to pass and merge closer to the barriers. Not the last instant but within the last few hundred yards as it is designed to be.

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I completely understood what you typed the first time. lol

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Clearly you didn't because you made some comment about waiting to the last second/millimeter of road when that was not what I was talking about.

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Don't question Cowboy. He knows Evette in g about everything. Even tried to tell me how restaurants operate and how stock markets work before. All hail Solomon.

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

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ok, but that's not what I said.

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Again you didn't read what I posted. I posted that people are getting upset and doing all the things from my first post lol before the last instant. They are merging with a mile left of road. They are driving for over 1/4 of a mile of road trying to block both lanes.

And they are flipping off, honking and yelling at those that try to pass and merge closer to the barriers. Not the last instant but within the last few hundred yards as it is designed to be.

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I completely understood what you typed the first time. lol

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Clearly you didn't because you made some comment about waiting to the last second/millimeter of road when that was not what I was talking about.

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Don't question Cowboy. He knows Evette in g about everything. Even tried to tell me how restaurants operate and how stock markets work before. All hail Solomon.

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Go read what I posted and you will see that his reply was the opposite of what I said.

Same thing when we talked about restaurants and the stock market. Neither of which I "told you how they operate"

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

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ok, but that's not what I said.

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Again you didn't read what I posted. I posted that people are getting upset and doing all the things from my first post lol before the last instant. They are merging with a mile left of road. They are driving for over 1/4 of a mile of road trying to block both lanes.

And they are flipping off, honking and yelling at those that try to pass and merge closer to the barriers. Not the last instant but within the last few hundred yards as it is designed to be.

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I completely understood what you typed the first time. lol

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Clearly you didn't because you made some comment about waiting to the last second/millimeter of road when that was not what I was talking about.

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Don't question Cowboy. He knows Evette in g about everything. Even tried to tell me how restaurants operate and how stock markets work before. All hail Solomon.

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I had to look it up to see what you were even talking about on the restaurants and found it. It was when you claimed a restaurant in Waco would be too close to the temple location and I pointed out that it probably wouldn't be because the vast majority of people from those two cities are not driving back and forth to restaurants frequently enough to discourage a new location of a restaurant in either city.

You disagreed and said people do it all the time.

I again said that some do but the vast majority of the population of either city does not. This can be easily proven by the fact that lines at restaurants in either city are not constantly out the door given the size of both cities. Or the fact that there are multiple chains with locations in both cities that seem to do well.

But instead of trying to provide any sort of facts, discuss it or explain why those chains can succeed but Texas Roadhouse (who we were discussing) could not move from their current location and have two Waco locations (one north and one south) given how busy they always are, could not succeed doing so you simply dismissed it as me "knowing so much about restaurants and markets" when I have never made any such claim. We went from a discussion to you ending by acting offended that anyone would dare question anything about restaurants to you and decided to throw something in I never claimed or said.

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

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ok, but that's not what I said.

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Again you didn't read what I posted. I posted that people are getting upset and doing all the things from my first post long before the last instant. They are merging with a mile left of road. They are driving for over 1/4 of a mile of road trying to block both lanes.

And they are flipping off, honking and yelling at those that try to pass and merge closer to the barriers. Not the last instant but within the last few hundred yards as it is designed to be.

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The problem with the zipper merge in a that you have a**holes that wait to the last second trying to maximize getting ahead of the line. I am usually pretty laidback. If a person is trying to merge at a reasonable point, I will let a car or two in the lane. What kills me is you have aggressive drivers who will get into the lane that is merging, so they can fly past everyone to get in front of others. I see all the time when traffic backs up at I35 and HWY 6. What really pisses me off is when people are bypassing traffic in the exit only lane for the HWY 6 flyover to get further up in the lane that is closing and then have to merge two lanes. This behavior pisses everyone off who is driving responsibly and merged at a reasonable point.

RightRevBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Funky Town Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Funky Town Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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BearCPA said:

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

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ok, but that's not what I said.

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Again you didn't read what I posted. I posted that people are getting upset and doing all the things from my first post long before the last instant. They are merging with a mile left of road. They are driving for over 1/4 of a mile of road trying to block both lanes.

And they are flipping off, honking and yelling at those that try to pass and merge closer to the barriers. Not the last instant but within the last few hundred yards as it is designed to be.

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The problem with the zipper merge in a that you have a**holes that wait to the last second trying to maximize getting ahead of the line. I am usually pretty laidback. If a person is trying to merge at a reasonable point, I will let a car or two in the lane. What kills me is you have aggressive drivers who will get into the lane that is merging, so they can fly past everyone to get in front of others. I see all the time when traffic backs up at I35 and HWY 6. What really pisses me off is when people are bypassing traffic in the exit only lane for the HWY 6 flyover to get further up in the lane that is closing and then have to merge two lanes. This behavior pisses everyone off who is driving responsibly and merged at a reasonable point.

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its a combo of lack of common courtesy, overly aggressive driving, and passive agressive response to the aggressive drivers.

It actually slows down the process and makes the merge system less effecient

4th and Inches said:

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RightRevBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Funky Town Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Funky Town Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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BearCPA said:

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

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ok, but that's not what I said.

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Again you didn't read what I posted. I posted that people are getting upset and doing all the things from my first post long before the last instant. They are merging with a mile left of road. They are driving for over 1/4 of a mile of road trying to block both lanes.

And they are flipping off, honking and yelling at those that try to pass and merge closer to the barriers. Not the last instant but within the last few hundred yards as it is designed to be.

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The problem with the zipper merge in a that you have a**holes that wait to the last second trying to maximize getting ahead of the line. I am usually pretty laidback. If a person is trying to merge at a reasonable point, I will let a car or two in the lane. What kills me is you have aggressive drivers who will get into the lane that is merging, so they can fly past everyone to get in front of others. I see all the time when traffic backs up at I35 and HWY 6. What really pisses me off is when people are bypassing traffic in the exit only lane for the HWY 6 flyover to get further up in the lane that is closing and then have to merge two lanes. This behavior pisses everyone off who is driving responsibly and merged at a reasonable point.

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its a combo of lack of common courtesy, overly aggressive driving, and passive agressive response to the aggressive drivers.

It actually slows down the process and makes the merge system less effecient

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We should design systems assuming that there are no a-holes or people valuing themselves over others.

Edmond Bear said:

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4th and Inches said:

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RightRevBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Funky Town Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Funky Town Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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BearCPA said:

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We would have much better traffic flow if we had better drivers. It irritates me to no end with how few cars can get through a green light because of the delay in taking off. These same people will have a one car length gap at 75 MPH but let the car in front get a three or four car length head start at a green light.

And if we would teach the zipper method for merging lanes or closed lanes it would help tremendously!

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Very few seem to understand the zipper merge. They see that a lane closes in a mile and all want to get over, give dirty looks to those that do it right and wait to the final moments to merge, flip them off, not let them merge at all or worse drive for a 1/4 mile in both lanes trying to prevent people from passing.

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It helps if you don't wait to merge as the barrier is about to implode your car. The zipper works best prior to the last instant. That's why people get pissed.

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You clearly did not read my post and just wanted to argue.

They are not getting pissed because one is waiting until the very last instant. I drive a merge everyday home from work and can tell you there are always people driving in both lanes trying to force everyone to merge sometimes as far back as a mile. That is not how a zipper works.

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ok, but that's not what I said.

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Again you didn't read what I posted. I posted that people are getting upset and doing all the things from my first post long before the last instant. They are merging with a mile left of road. They are driving for over 1/4 of a mile of road trying to block both lanes.

And they are flipping off, honking and yelling at those that try to pass and merge closer to the barriers. Not the last instant but within the last few hundred yards as it is designed to be.

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The problem with the zipper merge in a that you have a**holes that wait to the last second trying to maximize getting ahead of the line. I am usually pretty laidback. If a person is trying to merge at a reasonable point, I will let a car or two in the lane. What kills me is you have aggressive drivers who will get into the lane that is merging, so they can fly past everyone to get in front of others. I see all the time when traffic backs up at I35 and HWY 6. What really pisses me off is when people are bypassing traffic in the exit only lane for the HWY 6 flyover to get further up in the lane that is closing and then have to merge two lanes. This behavior pisses everyone off who is driving responsibly and merged at a reasonable point.

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its a combo of lack of common courtesy, overly aggressive driving, and passive agressive response to the aggressive drivers.

It actually slows down the process and makes the merge system less effecient

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We should design systems assuming that there are no a-holes or people valuing themselves over others.

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ithink they did design it assuming the best in people, we should design them assuning there are not

This is what toyota did, they designed a car that required maintenance but knew the owners are not gonna do most of it.