Lol, on not being able to use that fly over on occasion. To me it hasn't even been there for a blink of an eye. It opened about sometime in Fall of 08 to Spring of 09 IIRC. So I'm still used to the pre 08/09 intersection in my mind as well as the newer version. But again I don't use it everyday. I don't take 35 to down town area from Woodway. I just use it if traveling to DFW area.

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Lol, on not being able to use that fly over on occasion. To me it hasn't even been there for a blink of an eye. It opened about sometime in Fall of 08 to Spring of 09 IIRC. So I'm still used to the pre 08/09 intersection in my mind as well as the newer version. But again I don't use it everyday. I don't take 35 to down town area from Woodway. I just use it if traveling to DFW area.

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The flyover we're discussing is the old one from Valley Mills Drive. It was originally constructed in the mid to later 1960's. I think it did, however, undergo some repairs during the time period you are discussing.

I think my issue is that my experience with Wacoans in general over a 50 year time period is that they are always reluctant to try new things. They prefer stability over change. The majority of Wacoans want to preserve a window of their life on how they remember Waco best.

Go on a place like Facebook and read the responses to the Hearsay Lounge opening in Waco, and you will see what I'm talking about. One response is, "This is exactly what Waco needed! Another food spot.
yay!". Another laments another chain coming to town. Sorry, but Wacoans like their BBQ from one spot and their CFS from another - and if you try to change it, it frustrates them.

I don't mean that as an insult, either. To each their own. I understand either way. It's just an observation.

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Lol, on not being able to use that fly over on occasion. To me it hasn't even been there for a blink of an eye. It opened about sometime in Fall of 08 to Spring of 09 IIRC. So I'm still used to the pre 08/09 intersection in my mind as well as the newer version. But again I don't use it everyday. I don't take 35 to down town area from Woodway. I just use it if traveling to DFW area.

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The flyover we're discussing is the old one from Valley Mills Drive. It was originally constructed in the mid to later 1960's. I think it did, however, undergo some repairs during the time period you are discussing.

I think my issue is that my experience with Wacoans in general over a 50 year time period is that they are always reluctant to try new things. They prefer stability over change. The majority of Wacoans want to preserve a window of their life on how they remember Waco best.

Go on a place like Facebook and read the responses to the Hearsay Lounge opening in Waco, and you will see what I'm talking about. One response is, "This is exactly what Waco needed! Another food spot.
yay!". Another laments another chain coming to town. Sorry, but Wacoans like their BBQ from one spot and their CFS from another - and if you try to change it, it frustrates them.

I don't mean that as an insult, either. To each their own. I understand either way. It's just an observation.

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The Valley Mills to I-35 north flyover opened in about 1972 IIRC. I think that was when I-35 was finally finished through town. I seem to recall that the last section was from E. Waco Dr to the 77/New Dallas Hwy split in Lacy-Lakeview.

But like most Wacoans, if there's construction on I-35, I'll get on north of it if I'm going to Dallas and south of it if I'm going to Austin. That means driving up to MLK or Univ-Pks to go northbound and driving down to 6 to go southbound.

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Lol, on not being able to use that fly over on occasion. To me it hasn't even been there for a blink of an eye. It opened about sometime in Fall of 08 to Spring of 09 IIRC. So I'm still used to the pre 08/09 intersection in my mind as well as the newer version. But again I don't use it everyday. I don't take 35 to down town area from Woodway. I just use it if traveling to DFW area.

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The flyover we're discussing is the old one from Valley Mills Drive. It was originally constructed in the mid to later 1960's. I think it did, however, undergo some repairs during the time period you are discussing.

I think my issue is that my experience with Wacoans in general over a 50 year time period is that they are always reluctant to try new things. They prefer stability over change. The majority of Wacoans want to preserve a window of their life on how they remember Waco best.

Go on a place like Facebook and read the responses to the Hearsay Lounge opening in Waco, and you will see what I'm talking about. One response is, "This is exactly what Waco needed! Another food spot.
yay!". Another laments another chain coming to town. Sorry, but Wacoans like their BBQ from one spot and their CFS from another - and if you try to change it, it frustrates them.

I don't mean that as an insult, either. To each their own. I understand either way. It's just an observation.

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the issue is people like that are what holds back an area. Change is usually good. People should be happy to see new business coming to town regardless of what it is. Way better than empty lots. Increased tax revenue. Tourism is great thing for Waco. If people want to live in a tiny town with nothing to do, move somewhere smaller.

The interchange itself is something everybody can argue about tho because it is just a stupid design in most people's opinion. But the baseline argument against any change is that of someone who simply refuses to accept that it is 2025, not 1965, and Waco needs to grow and needs to do it yesterday.

I was responding to someone who made the post right before mine. He was clearly saying the fly over at 340 and 35 being closed on occasion is big pain.

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Lol, on not being able to use that fly over on occasion. To me it hasn't even been there for a blink of an eye. It opened about sometime in Fall of 08 to Spring of 09 IIRC. So I'm still used to the pre 08/09 intersection in my mind as well as the newer version. But again I don't use it everyday. I don't take 35 to down town area from Woodway. I just use it if traveling to DFW area.

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The flyover we're discussing is the old one from Valley Mills Drive. It was originally constructed in the mid to later 1960's. I think it did, however, undergo some repairs during the time period you are discussing.

I think my issue is that my experience with Wacoans in general over a 50 year time period is that they are always reluctant to try new things. They prefer stability over change. The majority of Wacoans want to preserve a window of their life on how they remember Waco best.

Go on a place like Facebook and read the responses to the Hearsay Lounge opening in Waco, and you will see what I'm talking about. One response is, "This is exactly what Waco needed! Another food spot.
yay!". Another laments another chain coming to town. Sorry, but Wacoans like their BBQ from one spot and their CFS from another - and if you try to change it, it frustrates them.

I don't mean that as an insult, either. To each their own. I understand either way. It's just an observation.

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the issue is people like that are what holds back an area. Change is usually good. People should be happy to see new business coming to town regardless of what it is. Way better than empty lots. Increased tax revenue. Tourism is great thing for Waco. If people want to live in a tiny town with nothing to do, move somewhere smaller.

The interchange itself is something everybody can argue about tho because it is just a stupid design in most people's opinion. But the baseline argument against any change is that of someone who simply refuses to accept that it is 2025, not 1965, and Waco needs to grow and needs to do it yesterday.

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I agree completely I have lived a couple of places that are dying due to this attitude. One was a suburb where the old guard didn't want growth. They purposely made a sign ordinance to keep chain restaurants out. Outback and Cracker Barrel unsuccessfully applied for a one foot exception. They went from being a most desired suburb with the best schools to a mid range in 25 years.

The other one is Jackson, MS. All the sides get in the way of progress that it is a dying city. Waco is now larger than Jackson.

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I was responding to someone who made the post right before mine. He was clearly saying the fly over at 340 and 35 being closed on occasion is big pain.

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Amen,

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Lol, on not being able to use that fly over on occasion. To me it hasn't even been there for a blink of an eye. It opened about sometime in Fall of 08 to Spring of 09 IIRC. So I'm still used to the pre 08/09 intersection in my mind as well as the newer version. But again I don't use it everyday. I don't take 35 to down town area from Woodway. I just use it if traveling to DFW area.

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The flyover we're discussing is the old one from Valley Mills Drive. It was originally constructed in the mid to later 1960's. I think it did, however, undergo some repairs during the time period you are discussing.

I think my issue is that my experience with Wacoans in general over a 50 year time period is that they are always reluctant to try new things. They prefer stability over change. The majority of Wacoans want to preserve a window of their life on how they remember Waco best.

Go on a place like Facebook and read the responses to the Hearsay Lounge opening in Waco, and you will see what I'm talking about. One response is, "This is exactly what Waco needed! Another food spot.
yay!". Another laments another chain coming to town. Sorry, but Wacoans like their BBQ from one spot and their CFS from another - and if you try to change it, it frustrates them.

I don't mean that as an insult, either. To each their own. I understand either way. It's just an observation.

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the issue is people like that are what holds back an area. Change is usually good. People should be happy to see new business coming to town regardless of what it is. Way better than empty lots. Increased tax revenue. Tourism is great thing for Waco. If people want to live in a tiny town with nothing to do, move somewhere smaller.

The interchange itself is something everybody can argue about tho because it is just a stupid design in most people's opinion. But the baseline argument against any change is that of someone who simply refuses to accept that it is 2025, not 1965, and Waco needs to grow and needs to do it yesterday.

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I agree completely I have lived a couple of places that are dying due to this attitude. One was a suburb where the old guard didn't want growth. They purposely made a sign ordinance to keep chain restaurants out. Outback and Cracker Barrel unsuccessfully applied for a one foot exception. They went from being a most desired suburb with the best schools to a mid range in 25 years.

The other one is Jackson, MS. All the sides get in the way of progress that it is a dying city. Waco is now larger than Jackson.

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Yeah, but Waco is about to be the smallest metro in Central Texas. It has too many competitive markets outgrowing it in its own shadow. The Temple-Killeen metro just passed 510,000. Temple is going to pass 100,000 in the next couple of years, and Killeen will have over 200,000 in the next 10 to 15 years.

Meanwhile. Bryan-College Station is sitting at 287,000, just 20,000 short of the Waco MSA and would be much closer had Bosque and Falls counties had not been added to the Waco MSA.

College Station is now the third largest city in Central Texas not counting Austin at 120,000 and growing at a much faster clip than Waco.

I think Waco's days being a Central Texas hub have past it. Back in the old days, everything was located in Waco: the majority of local television stations, entertainment venues, etc. As Austin grows further toward Bell County and the two other local metros continue to grow, I just see more and more of those types of entities stretching out toward the larger, younger populations in Central Texas.

Thank goodness Waco has Baylor and Magnolia, or it probably would be headed toward a much smaller city with far less influence and lack access to state and federal dollars. Though, I do know some Wacoans who wouldn't mind things being that way.

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Lol, on not being able to use that fly over on occasion. To me it hasn't even been there for a blink of an eye. It opened about sometime in Fall of 08 to Spring of 09 IIRC. So I'm still used to the pre 08/09 intersection in my mind as well as the newer version. But again I don't use it everyday. I don't take 35 to down town area from Woodway. I just use it if traveling to DFW area.

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The flyover we're discussing is the old one from Valley Mills Drive. It was originally constructed in the mid to later 1960's. I think it did, however, undergo some repairs during the time period you are discussing.

I think my issue is that my experience with Wacoans in general over a 50 year time period is that they are always reluctant to try new things. They prefer stability over change. The majority of Wacoans want to preserve a window of their life on how they remember Waco best.

Go on a place like Facebook and read the responses to the Hearsay Lounge opening in Waco, and you will see what I'm talking about. One response is, "This is exactly what Waco needed! Another food spot.
yay!". Another laments another chain coming to town. Sorry, but Wacoans like their BBQ from one spot and their CFS from another - and if you try to change it, it frustrates them.

I don't mean that as an insult, either. To each their own. I understand either way. It's just an observation.

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the issue is people like that are what holds back an area. Change is usually good. People should be happy to see new business coming to town regardless of what it is. Way better than empty lots. Increased tax revenue. Tourism is great thing for Waco. If people want to live in a tiny town with nothing to do, move somewhere smaller.

The interchange itself is something everybody can argue about tho because it is just a stupid design in most people's opinion. But the baseline argument against any change is that of someone who simply refuses to accept that it is 2025, not 1965, and Waco needs to grow and needs to do it yesterday.

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I agree completely I have lived a couple of places that are dying due to this attitude. One was a suburb where the old guard didn't want growth. They purposely made a sign ordinance to keep chain restaurants out. Outback and Cracker Barrel unsuccessfully applied for a one foot exception. They went from being a most desired suburb with the best schools to a mid range in 25 years.

The other one is Jackson, MS. All the sides get in the way of progress that it is a dying city. Waco is now larger than Jackson.

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Yeah, but Waco is about to be the smallest metro in Central Texas. It has too many competitive markets outgrowing it in its own shadow. The Temple-Killeen metro just passed 510,000. Temple is going to pass 100,000 in the next couple of years, and Killeen will have over 200,000 in the next 10 to 15 years.

Meanwhile. Bryan-College Station is sitting at 287,000, just 20,000 short of the Waco MSA and would be much closer had Bosque and Falls counties had not been added to the Waco MSA.

College Station is now the third largest city in Central Texas not counting Austin at 120,000 and growing at a much faster clip than Waco.

I think Waco's days being a Central Texas hub have past it. Back in the old days, everything was located in Waco: the majority of local television stations, entertainment venues, etc. As Austin grows further toward Bell County and the two other local metros continue to grow, I just see more and more of those types of entities stretching out toward the larger, younger populations in Central Texas.

Thank goodness Waco has Baylor and Magnolia, or it probably would be headed toward a much smaller city with far less influence and lack access to state and federal dollars. Though, I do know some Wacoans who wouldn't mind things being that way.

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College station just seems like an extension of Houston, which is not a good thing IMO. #keepwacounique

I giggled to myself as I navigated divergent diamonds multiple times this weekend. They were very efficient as we drove through them. Having three lanes making turns all at the same time moves a lot of traffic.

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I giggled to myself as I navigated divergent diamonds multiple times this weekend. They were very efficient as we drove through them. Having three lanes making turns all at the same time moves a lot of traffic.

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That's your experience.

Imagine you are the average person from the Waco area who is deeply set in their ways and still maybe gets 5 channels on their television.

And, the issue isn't even so much as a divergent diamond, but a divergent diamond going into the circle. I canvassed that area this past weekend and the area of land between Interstate 35 and the Circle is essentially a parking lot.

Third, there are no direct connections to IH-35 north anymore. Drivers will be forced to go around the circle and either use Circle Drive or LaSalle Avenue to access NB 35 from S. Valley Mills Dr.

Not good.

Is getting through Waco already a mess driving south on 35? Any routes around it?

Thank you, in advance!

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Is getting through Waco already a mess driving south on 35? Any routes around it?

Thank you, in advance!

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its a disaster. The loop is a bigger disaster. Plan accordingly

Oh no. No way to circumnavigate it? Just have to patiently fight through it?

Correction: looks like you will be able to turn north on the access road, but the next on ramp is up past 18th Street.

It's not faster but is easier than solid traffic, if you know Waco, there are some options. Take Lake Shore exit & go west. Lake Shore becomes Valley Mills Dr. & then go west on Bosque to Hwy 6. Join I-35 south of the construction. Another option is Waco Dr thru town to Hwy 6. BIL did that several weeks ago & it was pretty quick option. Good luck!

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It's not faster but is easier than solid traffic, if you know Waco, there are some options. Take Lake Shore exit & go west. Lake Shore becomes Valley Mills Dr. & then go west on Bosque to Hwy 6. Join I-35 south of the construction. Another option is Waco Dr thru town to Hwy 6. BIL did that several weeks ago & it was pretty quick option. Good luck!

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Waco Dr is under construction from Valley Mills almost to the old Hwy 77 interchange in East Waco (where the Chicken Shack used to be). Intermittently down to one lane in stretches that vary day to day. This morning it was one lane inbound from 32nd to about 26th; when they are working between 38th and Valley Mills it will often back up all the way from one light to the next.

Thanks for the update. Haven't gone that way for several weeks & Will stay away now.

The flyover from Hwy 6 to go north on 35 has been closed all week and has seriously, seriously impacted my morning commute. Its all Loop 340 for me now, which, to get to Baylor, is much less of a straight shot.

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The flyover from Hwy 6 to go north on 35 has been closed all week and has seriously, seriously impacted my morning commute. Its all Loop 340 for me now, which, to get to Baylor, is much less of a straight shot.

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Don't think it's reopening anytime soon.

I hate TxDOT almost as much as the MSM.

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The flyover from Hwy 6 to go north on 35 has been closed all week and has seriously, seriously impacted my morning commute. Its all Loop 340 for me now, which, to get to Baylor, is much less of a straight shot.

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Don't think it's reopening anytime soon.

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It's not faster but is easier than solid traffic, if you know Waco, there are some options. Take Lake Shore exit & go west. Lake Shore becomes Valley Mills Dr. & then go west on Bosque to Hwy 6. Join I-35 south of the construction. Another option is Waco Dr thru town to Hwy 6. BIL did that several weeks ago & it was pretty quick option. Good luck!

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Waco Dr is under construction from Valley Mills almost to the old Hwy 77 interchange in East Waco (where the Chicken Shack used to be). Intermittently down to one lane in stretches that vary day to day. This morning it was one lane inbound from 32nd to about 26th; when they are working between 38th and Valley Mills it will often back up all the way from one light to the next.

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loop 340 to U Parks. About as straight as it gets

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I just drove in to Waco from the south and I am eating at Health Camp. My burger and milk shake are very good.

It was also easy to get here taking Loop 340/6 east and heading north on 77.

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I think your experience in the middle of July will prove different than what it will be like on gamedays this fall.

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I hate TxDOT almost as much as the MSM.

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I did not know that the MSM hated TxDOT. Learn something new every day on the internet.

I don't understand why they are going to a divergent diamond instead of just straight bridges across. Is the DD supposed to be faster? Seems like more lights so that would slow it down in my mind. Currently it is two. Now it will be 3?

GameDay tomorrow. BOHICA

Confirmed that Trujillo's is concerned about the DD combined with the circle as well - plus given the amount of space.

My guess is that TXDOT will install this folly and already be spending the money to reolacr or substantially redesign and recobstruct that intersection within 10 years.

And all this was probably just to go cheap on Waco's infrastructure since more money is needed for faster growing, more populated, and more politically powerful areas than Waco.

Imbeciles.

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The divergent diamond is awful.

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Here's one in Georgetown - without a giant roundabout at the end of it...

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They are all awful. It makes zero sense to not be able to go straight at a light at an intersection.

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I get that they take some adjustment, but man, I could not disagree with this more. I live right near two of them, and they can clear an absolutely insane amount of traffic from really busy intersections.

I don't know if that intersection is enough to justify it, but once you realize how much faster they are at peak times, they become entirely worth it.

There's a reason they're becoming the norm everywhere at really busy intersections. They make less "intuitive" sense in some cases, but they are just wildly better.

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The divergent diamond is awful.

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Here's one in Georgetown - without a giant roundabout at the end of it...

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They are all awful. It makes zero sense to not be able to go straight at a light at an intersection.

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I get that they take some adjustment, but man, I could not disagree with this more. I live right near two of them, and they can clear an absolutely insane amount of traffic from really busy intersections.

I don't know if that intersection is enough to justify it, but once you realize how much faster they are at peak times, they become entirely worth it.

There's a reason they're becoming the norm everywhere at really busy intersections. They make less "intuitive" sense in some cases, but they are just wildly better.

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Good to have the perspective of a person that lives near them. I've heard that as the justification, but it's maddening to me. For example, let's say I pull out of ikea shopping center and want to go north on 35. I can't go straight, I have to right or left and u-turn. If you don't want to do a u-turn, you have to go to the other exit and wait at a long light to turn left to be able to then turn right at the light.

They have talked about doing it in Woodway across Hewitt Dr near HEB. I go to Shipley's to get donuts for the kids. I can't go through the light, I have to go right to turn across traffic to get there.

They might be great for clearing traffic, but they are nuisance for getting to commercial spots. That's what I find to be so annoying.

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The divergent diamond is awful.

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Here's one in Georgetown - without a giant roundabout at the end of it...

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They are all awful. It makes zero sense to not be able to go straight at a light at an intersection.

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I get that they take some adjustment, but man, I could not disagree with this more. I live right near two of them, and they can clear an absolutely insane amount of traffic from really busy intersections.

I don't know if that intersection is enough to justify it, but once you realize how much faster they are at peak times, they become entirely worth it.

There's a reason they're becoming the norm everywhere at really busy intersections. They make less "intuitive" sense in some cases, but they are just wildly better.

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Good to have the perspective of a person that lives near them. I've heard that as the justification, but it's maddening to me. For example, let's say I pull out of ikea shopping center and want to go north on 35. I can't go straight, I have to right or left and u-turn. If you don't want to do a u-turn, you have to go to the other exit and wait at a long light to turn left to be able to then turn right at the light.

They have talked about doing it in Woodway across Hewitt Dr near HEB. I go to Shipley's to get donuts for the kids. I can't go through the light, I have to go right to turn across traffic to get there.

They might be great for clearing traffic, but they are nuisance for getting to commercial spots. That's what I find to be so annoying.

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I definitely understand the frustration with them in that regard. The irony is that if you could go about 1000 feet to the south of Idea to that exit, you could actually get straight on to 35 from there -- that's actually one of the central features of diverging diamonds is that they almost all have frontage roads that bypass the lights altogether, which dramatically reduces the amount of traffic at the lights in the first place. Obviously those frontage roads exist in some places already, but basically every DD has them.

Either way, I do understand it makes it harder to get in and out of certain businesses, but when you look at the most significant impact for the largest number of people on a regular basis, it makes way more sense to focus on those and then have to deal with the slight inconvenience for visiting businesses.

For context, prior to the DD near my house, I had frequently waited 7-8 minutes through at least 4 cycles of the lights (i.e. i watched the light change 4 times and finally got through on the 5th) at peak traffic times. With probably 30% more traffic (due to the explosion in population around here), I have never waited through more than 1 light (i.e. it cycles once and I get through on the second cycle) with the DD in now.

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The divergent diamond is awful.

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Here's one in Georgetown - without a giant roundabout at the end of it...

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They are all awful. It makes zero sense to not be able to go straight at a light at an intersection.

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I get that they take some adjustment, but man, I could not disagree with this more. I live right near two of them, and they can clear an absolutely insane amount of traffic from really busy intersections.

I don't know if that intersection is enough to justify it, but once you realize how much faster they are at peak times, they become entirely worth it.

There's a reason they're becoming the norm everywhere at really busy intersections. They make less "intuitive" sense in some cases, but they are just wildly better.

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Good to have the perspective of a person that lives near them. I've heard that as the justification, but it's maddening to me. For example, let's say I pull out of ikea shopping center and want to go north on 35. I can't go straight, I have to right or left and u-turn. If you don't want to do a u-turn, you have to go to the other exit and wait at a long light to turn left to be able to then turn right at the light.

They have talked about doing it in Woodway across Hewitt Dr near HEB. I go to Shipley's to get donuts for the kids. I can't go through the light, I have to go right to turn across traffic to get there.

They might be great for clearing traffic, but they are nuisance for getting to commercial spots. That's what I find to be so annoying.

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I definitely understand the frustration with them in that regard. The irony is that if you could go about 1000 feet to the south of Idea to that exit, you could actually get straight on to 35 from there -- that's actually one of the central features of diverging diamonds is that they almost all have frontage roads that bypass the lights altogether, which dramatically reduces the amount of traffic at the lights in the first place. Obviously those frontage roads exist in some places already, but basically every DD has them.

Either way, I do understand it makes it harder to get in and out of certain businesses, but when you look at the most significant impact for the largest number of people on a regular basis, it makes way more sense to focus on those and then have to deal with the slight inconvenience for visiting businesses.

For context, prior to the DD near my house, I had frequently waited 7-8 minutes through at least 4 cycles of the lights (i.e. i watched the light change 4 times and finally got through on the 5th) at peak traffic times. With probably 30% more traffic (due to the explosion in population around here), I have never waited through more than 1 light (i.e. it cycles once and I get through on the second cycle) with the DD in now.

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If it becomes the standard, then future commercial developments will adapt and it shouldn't be as bad. Just loathethem when I'm near them now as a visitor.

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The divergent diamond is awful.

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Here's one in Georgetown - without a giant roundabout at the end of it...

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They are all awful. It makes zero sense to not be able to go straight at a light at an intersection.

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I get that they take some adjustment, but man, I could not disagree with this more. I live right near two of them, and they can clear an absolutely insane amount of traffic from really busy intersections.

I don't know if that intersection is enough to justify it, but once you realize how much faster they are at peak times, they become entirely worth it.

There's a reason they're becoming the norm everywhere at really busy intersections. They make less "intuitive" sense in some cases, but they are just wildly better.

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Good to have the perspective of a person that lives near them. I've heard that as the justification, but it's maddening to me. For example, let's say I pull out of ikea shopping center and want to go north on 35. I can't go straight, I have to right or left and u-turn. If you don't want to do a u-turn, you have to go to the other exit and wait at a long light to turn left to be able to then turn right at the light.

They have talked about doing it in Woodway across Hewitt Dr near HEB. I go to Shipley's to get donuts for the kids. I can't go through the light, I have to go right to turn across traffic to get there.

They might be great for clearing traffic, but they are nuisance for getting to commercial spots. That's what I find to be so annoying.

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They now have a dogbone interchange planned for Hewitt/ Estates Drive and U.S. 84.

Look that one up. Now, it might have workrd better for that interchange.

I had heard it was a diverging diamond there.

Gameday exit SUCKED!!!!!