PartyBear said:
I think it may have been Tang behind the curtain.
True Grit said:
Tang beats us with a thrown together roster of transfers.
Bakersdozen said:
Face it, down year for Baylor basketball. We were due one. Nothing more.
Johnny Bear said:Bakersdozen said:
Face it, down year for Baylor basketball. We were due one. Nothing more.
Why are we "due for one"?
Yep. This isn't the first one either. And they always coincide with recruiting misses and/or some fatal roster flaw.Bakersdozen said:
Face it, down year for Baylor basketball. We were due one. Nothing more.
Because we had hit on basically every transfer we've had since Pierre Jackson and gotten an extra year out of multiple one-and-done talents. Those breaks were bound to go the other way at some point, and they did with Sochan leaving and Bridges and Lohner not living up to their billing.Johnny Bear said:Bakersdozen said:
Face it, down year for Baylor basketball. We were due one. Nothing more.
Why are we "due for one"?
Agreed 100% we were due. We will look back on this season as a transition year. This year reminds me of our 2017-2018 season when we played in the NIT following our sweet 16 appearance the 2016-2017 season. We had a great run 4 straight seasons after that 2017-2018 season until now. Drew will just need to recalibrate some things. The good news is we have some insanely talented recruiting classes coming in consecutive years. Hit on a couple portal transfers and we are back making elite 8s and final 4s as soon as next year.Bakersdozen said:
Face it, down year for Baylor basketball. We were due one. Nothing more.
BUGWBBear said:
0-3 in conference. Hello NIT
Doubtful.BigO-is--Frog-Juice said:BUGWBBear said:
0-3 in conference. Hello NIT
Bye bye 5 star recruits.
Because on team is "up" every year. Because you don't win at black jack every time. Because the game is changing (NIL and the portal). Because no team is always great but teams do get on great runs.Johnny Bear said:Bakersdozen said:
Face it, down year for Baylor basketball. We were due one. Nothing more.
Why are we "due for one"?
You know very little about the program, but it is easy to speculate from a distance. Your opinion has no basis.TOBear said:
Tang was the special sauce!
Drew is to soft and is lost right now
Kind of like Kansas does?Crawfoso1973 said:Agreed 100% we were due. We will look back on this season as a transition year. This year reminds me of our 2017-2018 season when we played in the NIT following our sweet 16 appearance the 2016-2017 season. We had a great run 4 straight seasons after that 2017-2018 season until now. Drew will just need to recalibrate some things. The good news is we have some insanely talented recruiting classes coming in consecutive years. Hit on a couple portal transfers and we are back making elite 8s and final 4s as soon as next year.Bakersdozen said:
Face it, down year for Baylor basketball. We were due one. Nothing more.
How dare you take a reasonable, rational approach? This is an Internet message board. We're supposed to melt down, overreact, say that our National Championship winning coach has forgotten how to coach, and that an assistant was clearly the secret sauce behind our success. Even though our coach found that assistant at a small, private high school, where he was making $16k/year. But yeah, it was clearly Tang alone that could identify/develop talent.chorne68 said:
I say play the year out before making judgements.
It's not overacting to say this is a really bad defensive team. It has been all season, outside of a couple of one-off performances.Mitch Henessey said:How dare you take a reasonable, rational approach? This is an Internet message board. We're supposed to melt down, overreact, say that our National Championship winning coach has forgotten how to coach, and that an assistant was clearly the secret sauce behind our success. Even though our coach found that assistant at a small, private high school, where he was making $16k/year. But yeah, it was clearly Tang alone that could identify/develop talent.chorne68 said:
I say play the year out before making judgements.
People have short-term memories. We easily forget that most Scott Drew teams get better throughout the season. 2021 was awesome from the start and, apart from a minor COVID hiccup, stayed awesome throughout. 2022 was devastated by injuries, and we were clearly worse by the end of the season than we were coming out of non-conference play. Aside from that, our teams have consistently grown and improved as the season progresses. Give it some time. We're probably not an Elite 8 team this year, and may not even be a Sweet 16 team, but we're going to be better than we've shown the past week. I truly believe that.
It's absolutely flawed. But we've seen less talented Baylor teams than this one advance to the second weekend. Heck, this team would blow out our 2014 squad that made the Sweet 16.bear2be2 said:It's not overacting to say this is a really bad defensive team. It has been all season, outside of a couple of one-off performances.Mitch Henessey said:How dare you take a reasonable, rational approach? This is an Internet message board. We're supposed to melt down, overreact, say that our National Championship winning coach has forgotten how to coach, and that an assistant was clearly the secret sauce behind our success. Even though our coach found that assistant at a small, private high school, where he was making $16k/year. But yeah, it was clearly Tang alone that could identify/develop talent.chorne68 said:
I say play the year out before making judgements.
People have short-term memories. We easily forget that most Scott Drew teams get better throughout the season. 2021 was awesome from the start and, apart from a minor COVID hiccup, stayed awesome throughout. 2022 was devastated by injuries, and we were clearly worse by the end of the season than we were coming out of non-conference play. Aside from that, our teams have consistently grown and improved as the season progresses. Give it some time. We're probably not an Elite 8 team this year, and may not even be a Sweet 16 team, but we're going to be better than we've shown the past week. I truly believe that.
Nor is it unreasonable to conclude that that's unlikely to change, given that our best offensive personnel make our defense worse and vice versa.
This roster just isn't up to the standard that we've set the past decade or so, and like our other teams that have struggled under Drew, it has flaws that put a hard ceiling on what it can accomplish.
chorne68 said:
I say play the year out before making judgements.
This team wouldn't blow out any of our good teams. That's silly.Mitch Henessey said:It's absolutely flawed. But we've seen less talented Baylor teams than this one advance to the second weekend. Heck, this team would blow out our 2014 squad that made the Sweet 16.bear2be2 said:It's not overacting to say this is a really bad defensive team. It has been all season, outside of a couple of one-off performances.Mitch Henessey said:How dare you take a reasonable, rational approach? This is an Internet message board. We're supposed to melt down, overreact, say that our National Championship winning coach has forgotten how to coach, and that an assistant was clearly the secret sauce behind our success. Even though our coach found that assistant at a small, private high school, where he was making $16k/year. But yeah, it was clearly Tang alone that could identify/develop talent.chorne68 said:
I say play the year out before making judgements.
People have short-term memories. We easily forget that most Scott Drew teams get better throughout the season. 2021 was awesome from the start and, apart from a minor COVID hiccup, stayed awesome throughout. 2022 was devastated by injuries, and we were clearly worse by the end of the season than we were coming out of non-conference play. Aside from that, our teams have consistently grown and improved as the season progresses. Give it some time. We're probably not an Elite 8 team this year, and may not even be a Sweet 16 team, but we're going to be better than we've shown the past week. I truly believe that.
Nor is it unreasonable to conclude that that's unlikely to change, given that our best offensive personnel make our defense worse and vice versa.
This roster just isn't up to the standard that we've set the past decade or so, and like our other teams that have struggled under Drew, it has flaws that put a hard ceiling on what it can accomplish.
We need to string together some competent defensive performances and get offensive contributions from people 6'5" and taller. It's a big ask, but it's not impossible.
We would give up 100 points per game playing four guards.BluesBear said:
Time to go a 4 guard system, run and gun. Nothing by 3 point shots. We are not built for the traditional 4/5 style. So take the gamble of playing extra aggressive....then at the end of the season, start dropping players like Lohner who have no business playing for us...
