We lose a close one at Texas and then smoke Tech by 27 and we drop 3 spots??


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll

Unreal

bear2be2 said:

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Jayman1963 said:

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We lose a close one at Texas and then smoke Tech by 27 and we drop 3 spots??


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll

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In fairness, it's hard to say Marquette and Iowa State -- two of the teams that jumped us -- should be behind us given the results when we played them. And Kansas State likely held their spot in front of us in part because of their win in Waco.

But the important thing to remember is that the AP poll doesn't matter at all. Just keep playing good basketball, and everything takes care of itself.

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You mean the IowaSt team that blew a 19 point second half lead to a team that was winless in conference?

Despite the loss to Texas the momentum for BU is looking quite good. I expected us to be higher but lots of time left in the season.

AP Basketball poll is to the Big East the way the AP Football poll is to the SEC. Win a conference game regardless of opponent and you move forward 6 spots. Lose 2 conference games that week and you fall 1 spot.

Only poll that matters is the last one.

There is a cluster of 4 and 5 loss teams so was bound to happen. Ignore the poll for now as its a strange year. Nobody is special this year.

The team that played that second half has a chance against anyone. If they can run off 3 more wins (which they should assuming Tcu is banged up) then will be have to potential to lock into the top 10 the rest of the year with a road win against KU. Need to win out at home and pick up at least 1 and hopefully 2 of K-State, KU, and OK St.

One thing they did get right that typically never happens is Purdue stayed #1 as they should have. No way Hou or Alabama should have jumped them. Credit to enough of those voters who kept them #1.

This team really should be 20-6 headed to Lawrence. Don't want to get ahead of myself but OU and WV in Waco should be wins. And TCU won't have Miles. Have to take advantage of that. Win the next 3 and we're set up for a fantastic finish

bear2be2 said:

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Jayman1963 said:

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We lose a close one at Texas and then smoke Tech by 27 and we drop 3 spots??


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll

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In fairness, it's hard to say Marquette and Iowa State -- two of the teams that jumped us -- should be behind us given the results when we played them. And Kansas State likely held their spot in front of us in part because of their win in Waco.

But the important thing to remember is that the AP poll doesn't matter at all. Just keep playing good basketball, and everything takes care of itself.

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It's not causal, but it is correlative. Of the last 10 national champs, 8 finished the regular season in the top four in the AP poll, and only UConn's insane 2014 run came from below #7 (Nova 2016 was that one). Of course nothing's stopping anyone from winning in any given year, but AP poll rankings do give you a very good barometer of generally who's going to win EOY.

Lunardi has 8/10 Big12 teams in...and OU as a Last Four Out.

IowaBear said:

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This team really should be 20-6 headed to Lawrence. Don't want to get ahead of myself but OU and WV in Waco should be wins. And TCU won't have Miles. Have to take advantage of that. Win the next 3 and we're set up for a fantastic finish

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I agree. I was one that thought Jon even in a limited state could change the dynamic of this team. I think we saw glimpses of that. Fills holes on D, brings the intensity that was missing, and opens up the floor on O (and that was without this 3 point shot that surprised me). We beat Tex with Jon and Love healthy (meaning can play I know they aren't 100%).

Fans have to remember that the staff was projecting Sochan to be a 2 yr player and this yr to be Jon's last. Not to mention a healthy Love. It just didn't fall like that but if they were right that team is a very very clear title favorite this year. I think that roster would walk away with it. But didn't happen.

Roster mgmt is just tricky sometimes and 2 major injuries changed the dynamic the last 2 yrs.

How many got a critical piece back in Feb of that season though? I would bet probably not many.

I agree generally but I would measure this team from last Saturday on. Either way I still think they have a decent chance to finish top 10

whitetrash said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Jayman1963 said:

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We lose a close one at Texas and then smoke Tech by 27 and we drop 3 spots??


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll

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In fairness, it's hard to say Marquette and Iowa State -- two of the teams that jumped us -- should be behind us given the results when we played them. And Kansas State likely held their spot in front of us in part because of their win in Waco.

But the important thing to remember is that the AP poll doesn't matter at all. Just keep playing good basketball, and everything takes care of itself.

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You mean the IowaSt team that blew a 19 point second half lead to a team that was winless in conference?

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I mean the Iowa State team that has a nearly identical record to us and housed us in Ames. We'll get another shot at them. But they beat our ass the one time we played this year.

whitetrash said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Jayman1963 said:

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We lose a close one at Texas and then smoke Tech by 27 and we drop 3 spots??


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll

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In fairness, it's hard to say Marquette and Iowa State -- two of the teams that jumped us -- should be behind us given the results when we played them. And Kansas State likely held their spot in front of us in part because of their win in Waco.

But the important thing to remember is that the AP poll doesn't matter at all. Just keep playing good basketball, and everything takes care of itself.

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You mean the IowaSt team that blew a 19 point second half lead to a team that was winless in conference?

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Mulligan. Bama used their Mulligan against OU

parch said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Jayman1963 said:

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We lose a close one at Texas and then smoke Tech by 27 and we drop 3 spots??


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll

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In fairness, it's hard to say Marquette and Iowa State -- two of the teams that jumped us -- should be behind us given the results when we played them. And Kansas State likely held their spot in front of us in part because of their win in Waco.

But the important thing to remember is that the AP poll doesn't matter at all. Just keep playing good basketball, and everything takes care of itself.

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It's not causal, but it is correlative. Of the last 10 national champs, 8 finished the regular season in the top four in the AP poll, and only UConn's insane 2014 run came from below #7 (Nova 2016 was that one). Of course nothing's stopping anyone from winning in any given year, but AP poll rankings do give you a very good barometer of generally who's going to win EOY.

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You could create a poll based on record alone that would get the the national champion in the top 5-10 most years. That's not really saying much.

It's the nit-picking that that takes place from about the 10 spot to 25 that makes human polling both impossible and extremely subjective. Everyone wants a good enough record to be in the top five of the AP poll. That means you're likely one of the few elite teams in college basketball that year. But there's no good reason to get worked up over poll rankings, especially in a sport with a massive postseason tournament at the end.

bear2be2 said:

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parch said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Jayman1963 said:

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We lose a close one at Texas and then smoke Tech by 27 and we drop 3 spots??


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll

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In fairness, it's hard to say Marquette and Iowa State -- two of the teams that jumped us -- should be behind us given the results when we played them. And Kansas State likely held their spot in front of us in part because of their win in Waco.

But the important thing to remember is that the AP poll doesn't matter at all. Just keep playing good basketball, and everything takes care of itself.

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It's not causal, but it is correlative. Of the last 10 national champs, 8 finished the regular season in the top four in the AP poll, and only UConn's insane 2014 run came from below #7 (Nova 2016 was that one). Of course nothing's stopping anyone from winning in any given year, but AP poll rankings do give you a very good barometer of generally who's going to win EOY.

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You could create a poll based on record alone that would get the the national champion in the top 5-10 most years. That's not really saying much.

It's the nit-picking that that takes place from about the 10 spot to 25 that makes human polling both impossible and extremely subjective. Everyone wants a good enough record to be in the top five of the AP poll. That means you're likely one of the few elite teams in college basketball that year. But there's no good reason to get worked up over poll rankings, especially in a sport with a massive postseason tournament at the end.

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Ultimately it does matter, but not in a way that any of us can predict or control, because AP rank goes into the soup the selection committee uses to seed out the tournament. And as we know sometimes you have a great year and you just hit a St. Peter's. So goes the tourney.

Even still, they're not going to give a #2 seed to the #12 team in the AP poll because KenPom has them #3 because of their SoS and defensive usage rate, for instance. Within a few places seeding almost always follows polling convention, so it does behoove a team to at the very least maneuver into the top 12-15 places to boost seeding. Because since seeding began in 1979 there have been exactly 5 teams from 4 seed and below to win a natty, and every team is trying to maneuver their way out of that deadzone.

BUBradley said:

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Only poll that matters is the last one.

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I assume you mean seeding for March Madness.

Seeding matters but no more than placement. For example had we switched seeds with Kentucky in our region I'd wager we make the E8. Seeding matters, matchups matter even more

If we win our next 3 road games (2 against teams that Bear us at home), then we would have lots of momentum and are possibly a FF team. I do believe this could be the year we win in Lawrence's & sweep Kansas, although yay is very unlikely.

Exactly.

parch said:

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bear2be2 said:

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parch said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Jayman1963 said:

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We lose a close one at Texas and then smoke Tech by 27 and we drop 3 spots??


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll

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In fairness, it's hard to say Marquette and Iowa State -- two of the teams that jumped us -- should be behind us given the results when we played them. And Kansas State likely held their spot in front of us in part because of their win in Waco.

But the important thing to remember is that the AP poll doesn't matter at all. Just keep playing good basketball, and everything takes care of itself.

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It's not causal, but it is correlative. Of the last 10 national champs, 8 finished the regular season in the top four in the AP poll, and only UConn's insane 2014 run came from below #7 (Nova 2016 was that one). Of course nothing's stopping anyone from winning in any given year, but AP poll rankings do give you a very good barometer of generally who's going to win EOY.

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You could create a poll based on record alone that would get the the national champion in the top 5-10 most years. That's not really saying much.

It's the nit-picking that that takes place from about the 10 spot to 25 that makes human polling both impossible and extremely subjective. Everyone wants a good enough record to be in the top five of the AP poll. That means you're likely one of the few elite teams in college basketball that year. But there's no good reason to get worked up over poll rankings, especially in a sport with a massive postseason tournament at the end.

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Ultimately it does matter, but not in a way that any of us can predict or control, because AP rank goes into the soup the selection committee uses to seed out the tournament. And as we know sometimes you have a great year and you just hit a St. Peter's. So goes the tourney.

Even still, they're not going to give a #2 seed to the #12 team in the AP poll because KenPom has them #3 because of their SoS and defensive usage rate, for instance. Within a few places seeding almost always follows polling convention, so it does behoove a team to at the very least maneuver into the top 12-15 places to boost seeding. Because since seeding began in 1979 there have been exactly 5 teams from 4 seed and below to win a natty, and every team is trying to maneuver their way out of that deadzone.

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With the NET rankings and an objective ranking system for wins, the human polls have never mattered less. The NCAA tournament committee uses its own criteria for seeding and selection that is 100 percent independent of the AP poll.

There will be some crossover because college basketball programs are tiered, but there are often wild discrepancies in the way the pollsters and the NCAA tournament committee views particular teams.

More like 23 pt lead but I get your point.

Johnny Bear said:

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I was surprised we moved all the up to 11th the week before, but since we did, I'm equally surprised we got punished this much for losing a close, competitive road game to a team that was ranked above us - especially since we more than took care of business in the other game last week (not to mention the going forward impact of now having EJ back). Nothing to "lose sleep over" but still puzzling.

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This was because we were supposed to
Be #10 for ut but some of the voters didn't get the message, preventing Texas a chance at a top 10 win

Yep draw is huge and at the mercy of the committee.

The last two years we got a terrible draw. In 2021 it didn't matter bc the team was that good. 2022 it did as we continue to get the best 8/9s every year and we were short handed.

bear2be2 said:

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Jayman1963 said:

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We lose a close one at Texas and then smoke Tech by 27 and we drop 3 spots??


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll

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In fairness, it's hard to say Marquette and Iowa State -- two of the teams that jumped us -- should be behind us given the results when we played them. And Kansas State likely held their spot in front of us in part because of their win in Waco.

But the important thing to remember is that the AP poll doesn't matter at all. Just keep playing good basketball, and everything takes care of itself.

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It's why I love NCAA basketball. You can be a 4th seed, get a key player like Tchamwa-Tchatchuoa and win it all.

And you can have a fantastic bracket the first 5 games and get destroyed in the 8:08 and 8:37 games.